If this level of research is now public, imagine what must be going on behind closed doors of either big tech or government facilities, or both combined.
This once again proves that there is a biological learning algorithm that is radically different from today’s ANNs and it can be reproduced in computers and apparently we will soon find out how neurons learn so effectively because 260 voice recordings and 80% accuracy in a small amount of time is mind boggling
@@GodzillaGoesGagathere are a lot of drawbacks with ANNs and they have never been designed to mimic the human brain as close as possible. Currently, neuromorphic computing is the branch that tries to get closer to mimicking our brains and is actively researched.
Now imagine if they take this up a few levels: The ability to metabolically support MUCH larger brains, the size of houses, that are networked to OTHER brains and train them on specific tasks(protein folding, filtering astronomical data, what have you). It would be utterly mad science.
@TheNavalAviator "Hey, it's the brain guy... here to check up on the brain. I've got the brain food..." /shakes can of micro pellet food resembling fish food "Hmm, quick overview of this brain. It likes Dorito flavored brain food and listening to episodes of Scooby-Doo while eating. Heh, poor guy must be depressed. I think we'll try BBQ Chicken flavor and whale sounds this time."
Imagine arguing with someone on the internet only to find out they are a just a brain on a microchip attached to the router. That's the future we have in store for us.
That would be the the more benign end game. More realistically would be the production of cyborgs, who at some point become sentient, but because that end game isn't commercially acceptable, it is never recognized.
I once witnessed, under a microscope, human brain cells actively seeking out other brain cells to share and gain knowledge, they were vigorous & moved around with purpose!
@Planet-of-the-Gibbons They really did cause doubts about if I were them or if they were me, because I could see them move about with purpose knowing their collective was me!
decades ago now that a project was cut short by years when, neurons placed on top of a chip stretched tendrils and self connected to chips impulses saving the team years of supposed attempts to link these.. brain reacts to signal and stimuli, like a chip..
The cool thing about studying biochemistry is it gives you the background to comprehend a pretty solid majority of the man-made horrors PS: how did some of you lost souls decide that the replies to my comment was the right place to debate gun crime
Horror is not the apt noun to use. Think of a hammer: in the hands of skilled carpenter, it is an amazing tool; in the hands of a serial killer, it is a horrifying weapon. Like almost anything man invents, it can be used to good purpose or bad. And, as history has shown, people with bad intent are rather abundant.
@@csb78nmseeing how making guns illegal doesn't stop gangs and criminals from using them for their own personal gain, void of any empathy, I already know this is a bad, bad idea.
Reminds me of 40k Servitors, but created from scratch instead of by carving off and repurposing brain tissue from a human convict. The really disturbing part is that once this is possible it becomes inevitable people will have to take it as far as it usefully can be taken, at least in an anarchic multistate global system where states are afraid of one another getting too much more advanced than they are. Eventually this might end up being the energy-efficient alternative to autonomous computer-controlled or computer-assisted weapon systems. At that point the line begins to blur between humans and our weapons, especially as the brain tissue that is used starts getting more complex. Is there a 'ghost' in the machine? What might such an entity want? Do we give them injections to reset them if they start exerting too much autonomy?
in order to be like a human your brain need certain structure with certain training. just like any person with small brain injury depending where it is damaged it could totally do nothing. at best it will be like extremely autistic savant, actually not even close to that. in order to be sentient, it is much more complicated and much more fine tuned. handful of cells can't be like human mind easily unless you specifically tune it and train it to be.
Awesome vid Anton, I love that you aren’t afraid to tackle anything in the world of science and make it fully comprehensible for us mere mortals. Cheers! 🍻
The picture of neurons are actually a single cell's actin the thought process of a single neuron. Your brain . Your body isn't A computer it's a network of computers. . chemical computers. And that might be the secret to replicating the Brain. . It a chemical computer
@@atomictraveller - THe neighbor grew a 10 kg brain inside the stainless cavity of a hot water tank and is welding up a body for it. I think its called Bender and the number on his forehead is 6502. I think its time for me to bug out before they build a Bender and Mystery Science Theater 3000 one that is a chicken beak on a bubble gum machine. My childhood fears are upon me. Bullocks!
I am reminded of the Daleks in Dr. Who. Also, no one has to agree with this but just because something can be done does not mean it should be done. My question is what are the future consequences?
Yeah. I thought it was unsettling enough when they were doing these experiments with rat or mouse tissue. Now that they're doing it with human tissue... Pretty much exactly where I feared we would go. Next stop... Daleks or RoboCop or something.
This experiment is closer to Dr Who's Daleks than it is Victor Frankenstein. Also kind of reminds me of the Star Trek episode “Return to Tomorrow” where non-corporeal aliens with telepathic abilities took over Kirk's and Spock's bodies to build mechanical bodies to house their consciousnesses.
at first i was thinking self contained simulation but if you add I/O to that you actually have a cyborg.... this is to- me conceptually fascinating as a concept, i.e, if we live in a simulation, perhaps it is possible to transmit data in and out of it or even through layers, this concept is blowing my mind right now...
It always does... for a time. And then that time ends. The question now becomes how we respond to somebody doing something _a little wacky_ in a way that's a threat to the general public.
What is keeping those cells alive? How are they absorbing oxygen, and vital nutrients, and what's keeping them from drying out? Inquiring minds want to know.
@@krisbarr5663 yes, I know that nutrients are supplied, but I wanted to know the mechanism that was used to accomplished that. I wanted to know exactly how oxygen, water, and nutrients are delivered, and subsequently absorbed into the tissue.
Who knew that 60% fatty meat could be so healthy? I often wonder if there's better meat out there in the universe, and how they're training their rocks...
If Ai or these brain microchips rise against us (or whatever the popular downfall theory would be) it would surely lose because no other force can withstand a united humanity, which would surely happen if we had a common enemy. It could result in bringing us all together, the final frontier 🔥
The future is your cellphone getting angry at you for leaving it in the car when you went in the store. “No, I’m not opening any apps until you apologize like you mean it. You left me. I’m starting to think you don’t even love me anymore. Steve has the new iPhone Bx270 and I KNOW you’ve been looking at it like you want one.”
@@OrneryMouseimagine having a depressed cellphone or heldheld.. randomly deleting their important files, or your savegames, playing an alarm sound or someone having been able to overheat themselves a lot on purpose, until their motherboard gets cooked leaving them alone, crippled and barely functional. a factory reset however would be a lot easier than having to use or download a digital psychotherapist🤔 well, until they can hide their settings n stuff
This is a Dangerous Technology to begin with and it's inevitable that it will fall in the Hands of the most Elitist, people Hating NeoLib-NeoCon Oligarchs in the World, aka Wall Street. I see no future where such tech will have more benefits than harm. Sure, Implants and Artificial Organs....for only those who can afford it. And Killer Semi-Sentient Drones for those who can't. Calling it right now, let's see if I am right in a decade.
I feel a great sense of trepidation about this, for the same reasons as you mentioned later in the episode. The concern is where it goes from here. There's definitely the potential for a horror story in that future.
I don’t see anything unethical about creating sentient beings. I think all you who clutch pearls about it are a bunch of reactionary luddites and humanocentrists.
I can't take it anymore🙄 Have you ever been out there and touched grass? Nature is as gruel and unethical, as it can be. As long as we not torture for pleasure, we are in line with nature.
My fears are not that brain tissue will lead to more advanced electronic devices, but that those electronic devices will understand the language of the brain so well that people will be controllable remotely, as we control electronics today.
I remember more than 30 years ago I saw a program that showed that they had grown an ear on the back of a mouse. I know now that growing body parts has become commonplace. Now they are growing brains? Not surprised at all. Frankenstein for real. I just found your channel. Such interesting content.
As someone that's been there, multiple times, in multiple ways, due to my own mental disorders. It's awful, but it's not as bad as you might think. One of two things tends to happen, either, it calms down, and you get over it, or, you shut down, and fall unconscious. The unfortunate part is, I do have a mouth, but STILL can't scream, as when my body decides to go full panic mode, it decides that's an EXCELLENT time to put me into a mild paralytic state.
Great video, kudos to you and your team Anton! This paper caught my eye and is so very exciting. It is going to be quite the treat to see where this leads and all the discoveries found along the way. Such a wonderful time to be alive. Thank you again for all of the efforts
I love him and his show, but I started realizing that he doesn't believe in the Spirit. Towards the end the said "AI is not capable of being conscious yet." He doesn't understand that biology itself of the etheric realm. Consciousness is of the Spirit. No machine and become alive. He doesn't understand.
And since we don't know exactly what consciousness is...this is really unsettling. If the most realistic explanation of consciousness is that its an illusion created by our brain - not knowing how - its kinda disturbing.
Maybe we have it backwards. Perhaps consciousness is not a manifestation of our brains, but rather, our brains along with all of our physical reality is a manifestation of our consciousness. Row row your boat.....
Agree, with the "current set of ethics" I think this might be problematic. Aka, we do not do these things for the betterment of society, to learn and understand. No, everything is possible and relative, if the money is sufficient...😔
@@Andy-df5fjWe have pretty good evidence that we have indeed got it backwards. Both paranormal studies, and such as the commonly phenomena of Heart transplant recipients picking up memories and personalities and habits of the dead donor. Is the unique soul frequency of the cell line donor this brain on a chip derived from connected to this mjcrobrain AND a living stem cell donor? Or an aborted fetus whose soul is trying to learn to communicate with its parents language?
But what does "an illusion" mean in this context? That's not really an explaination for anything. Who is subject to the illusion? An illusion of what? It's kinda just like shrugging your shoulders and saying "idk, magic I guess".
Taking computers as a reference, they process information at the machine code level 1 and 0, they also process information at the assembly program level and also at the programming language level (c, c++, python, etc.). In the human body all cells process information at a multilevel, at the atomic level where the variables of mass and atomic weight are part of the code, at the molecular level where from isomerism to the three-dimensional structure form code, in the water that is in the cytoplasm where research is being done to see if it could store information, there is code in the DNA too.
Anton, you’re so articulate and informed. I love how well you present this information with accompanying visuals. You have become a great success, in producing quality content worthy of attention. I hope you gain more of the recognition you deserve, for delivering such amazing news to us, on a daily basis
Every faint heart yells to the heavans about what should be done, but you lack the strength to do it. If A.I. is dangerous, then A.I. programmers are dangerous. In nature, a danger to you, your family gets treated how?😮
Quite the contrary, they've thought about it a lot. If they aren't sentient, it's not questionable. If we're okay with abortion, organoids are pretty rudimentary
What freaks me out is what if we make an ai that is so good that it perfectly simulates how a human would respond. At that point it would be impossible to tell if it has an inner life and inner qualia like a biological organism. I can't even tell that other people have inner qualia...only myself
I would tentatively say we are close to that already. Google's Bard AI says some shocking things sometimes with regards to having a sense of self. The only thing is it is far from perfect in its responses and sometimes says nonsensical things. Still, i think many still dont realise we have already passed the point of certain AI models claiming some degree of awareness. Troubling and fascinating, all at once.
One day you step into the doctor's office for a routine medical checkup. They have a new fancy MRI-style scanning device that they say is for checking if you have cancer. They take a tissue sample, you go under the scanning machine... and suddenly you awaken in a lab. You can't feel your body, you don't know where you are... and yet, something is pulsing at the edge of your awareness. A signal... it sounds like voices. This is your life now. Your consciousness is bombarded with sensations, you having nothing else you can do except think about them, then everything goes quiet until the next sensation. What you don't know, is you are merely neurons in a jar, grown from a sample taken from a human months ago. None of the scientists handling your sample care to even check if you are conscious. You can't scream for help, because you have no mouth. And no one is coming to save you.
Just like GLAdOS from Portal (the poor tech company lab assistant who was forced to live forever in a machine against her will to save and run the company). Or just like the RoboBrains from Fallout New Vegas. If you want to read/watch up on more of these types of stories, I would recommend watching indepth videos on that specific lore of Portal. Or even better: Oxhorn's playthrough of Old World Blues (Fallout New Vegas DLC) is really heartbreaking/thought provoking/chilling/eye opening with regards to the implications these type of technologies
The worst thing that could happen here is that we accidentally grow a brainlet that spontaneously develops subjective consciousness without ever asking to exist. Hey, that sounds almost just like every human being ever born!
would that be a bad thing? I'm still thinking human evolution, given enough time, leads to a highly digital form, but maybe we will always retain the brain because it seems to be so well designed as it is.
@@shanemcentee9171 ya these things are always so talked up. Theres probably a ton of technilogical walls that they cannot get through to get it past the point of basically transfering simple electronic signals. Thats not a brain. Its not a person if its made up of skin cells, theres no difference. Science is morphing into a science fiction cult because people are scamming every institution as our society crumbles. None of these things are as crazy as they appear, even chat gbt is just a large series of logistic regressions with probability scores that can be calculated extremely quickly. It is impressive but its not a new species, its not going to think for itself, but it will be a great tool to scam people into beleiving all sorts of things. When humans are presented with new things they instantly revery to whichcraft and animal sacrifice. We can see it all over the comment secitions of videos like this.
I was just thinking earlier how I wish I could go back to a time before cellphones. About how quickly technology can transform our lives... and now I have THIS to look forward to
I'm in my early 20s. Lots of things are great, the internet being one. However, all the other sci-fi weirdness is just getting scary at this point. AI taking over everything in the next few years being one of them.
I would argue that cyborgs and biocomputers would be the exact same thing, replacing part of a biological organism with a thing that does the same function but is regulated with a biological machine interface of some sort.
@@KyriosHeptagrammaton sin is only relevant if a god exists If not, then men decided what sin is You can't prove god wad involved at all Nor have you established that being proud is wrong. I guess all parents who have pride in their children are sinners in your eyes Everyone who takes pride in the results of their hard work are sinners in your eyes
I think the most scary part of this experiment is the possibility of a controllable interface between brain and chip. When this interface is fully developed, it will be possible to control ANY animal with a brain. Even a reptile’s brain would make a powerfull computer, with survival skills.
Ok my goodness! Thank god you placed a big red arrow on your thumbnail! I wouldn't have been able to tell which part of that artist illustration was supposed to represent the brain chip without it. Much obliged, sir.
Definitely concerning. We don’t even have to get up to human sized volumes. Look at how small a rat brain is and while not self conscious they are very much indeed conscious and capable of perception and suffering. I suspect they are right nothing to worry about right now but given how little we understand about where consciousness arises, let alone human level self consciousness, it’s hard to know when we would know when we have crossed that line.
Hello everyone! I would love to make a video addressing the ethical concerns regarding this topic. This is a very "at home" topic for me as I actually would like to study this exact area of science! Please leave your suggestion for me if you don't mind (: I am excited to see what everyone writes!
Great report on the original article Anton. I'm not sure whether the BrainChip company/technology is related to this, though. The wikipedia page doesn't mention anything about a chip-tissue hybrid. I think they're just trying to emulate brain architecture entirely "in silico".
thank you for the stellar content as usual 🙏🏽 as a nde returner i can absolutely assure you that consciousness does not reside in any organic structure that being said….i think it’s entirely possible that a non-organically-attached consciousness could inhabit a brainowave or some other similar construction
I would count how many brain cells are in the Brain Organoid. Then I would compare it to other creatures that have a similar number of brain cells and are somewhat analogous. I would guess that there could be a Mind present in the Brain Organoid of the approximate complexity and awareness of an analogous creatures' mind. Similar Ethical Standards should probably apply.
@RichardLewisCaldwell even if in the moment it doesn't feel pain, the cross section of trauma being both mental and physical is what makes this scary. Esp when testing neurological disorders, some of them are outright torturous and just a brain has no out, we'd only even be able to know AFTER damaged is caused.
I like this idea. Of course, humans are capable of de-person-izing animals pretty thoroughly when it suits our needs, so it'd be a challenge at _least_ on par with the ethics surrounding animal testing and food animals, but at least it provides a useful framework. Thumbs up.
doesnt matter. humans dont know what causes consciousness and suffering to exist neither will they ever know since its too complicated. this is dangerous stuff. you can swap consciousness between two organisms and not even know it happened because both will be functioning the same way as before .
Ive seen videos of hobbyists using neuro-wetware that have organic brain matter controlling sensor packed vehicles and there's a terrifying thought that the defense industry may use this technology as an experimental weapons guidance system.
This sort of thing is bad for weapon guidance because regular computers are better at math, more than powerful enough to meet the need, and WAY more durable. There's actually just no upside to having even a whole human guide the weapon.
As someone who understands biology and who has studied the philosophy of mind for decades - we really, really should not be doing this until we have a solid understanding of consciousness and sensation.
Anton… What effect, if any, would a Carrington-type event have on people with cybernetic implants? Would modern implants, such as cochlear, ocular or pacemaker, be in any way affected?
Even as someone with a science degree, I feel uneasy about this. I'm aware that humanity does foolish things, and sometimes we don't realise how foolish they are until something very bad happens. That's where I'm coming from with this. I'm open-minded so I'm interested in hearing from the other side on this.
The official experimenters are using limits, I understand. The organelles are simple. And if this is the only life they experience, they're not being deprived. We know they have likes (orderly electrical impulses) and dislikes (chaotic electrical impulses) but we don't know yet if those dislikes reach the point of mental suffering. Arguably if they like one type of electrical impulses, the basic impulses are not mentally painful. It would be worth testing if a certain amount of chaotic stimulation were voluntarily tolerated to receive rewards.
It's vat grown tech brother! it is the will of the Omnnisiah to have this holy machines created before the abominable intelligence (A.I.) tries to destroy us.
No matter how much you hate your life, at least you are already alive in a human body. At least you are not a conscious, self-aware part of a computer that can never die and only exists so that your owner can watch not-camgirls on Twitch in 8k.
I imagine there is a rudimentary from of consciousness in that brain tissue experiencing reality in the form of these electric pluses. The reason why it can lear so fast is because it's conscious.
I like my 'not camgirls' to wear as little as 'not clothing' as much as possible. Makes it easier for my brain chip to render the images. Altruistic i know....
Sleep is very important for most animals with a brain. Even ants have to sleep briefly for a few minutes. So… it would be reasonable to include sleep cycles into these mini-brains or they will start to degrade their performance. I know this sounds a little anthro’ but sleep presents many problems that there must have been a good evolutionary reason to keep it for millions of years.
Inactivity Theory - Organisms evolved to sleep at night to protect themselves from danger. Energy Conservation Theory - Sleep reduces an organism's energy needs at night when it's not efficient to search for food.
@@i_accept_all_cookiesnot necessarily correct. Small number of cells doesnt show/express being conscious. Doesnt necessarily mean it doesnt experience some sort of consciousness
So if we can digitize the audio, could we somehow do the same for video? Ofcourse, it won't be able to "see" anything, just like it can't actually "hear" the people speaking. What would happen if we just hook up a microphone and a camera and feed it 24/7 to the brain.
Anton is more likely to make a sentient monster than his neighbor. Anton is closer to understanding how such a monster could work than nearly everyone.
"Organoid" I think, rather than "organelle", which is something else. (The mini-organs with specific functions within individual cells.) Lots of issues on many levels with this line of work, which like so many advances previously, will make technological leaps before our ethical choice-making can enter the arena. Driven by commercial interests and ego, speaking as an ex-insider.
There sure is alot of this attitude that " its just a mass of cells, its not a person, so therefore i can do anything i want with it". Once you determine human cells are nothing but tissue, adult humans are nothing but tissue to be used also.
This research could have potential for development of brain/computer interface tech. I imagine it'd be easier to train such a chip to interpret brain signals, and the cells could be grown from one's own stem cells to reduce the risk of rejection.
Thank you for sharing your limits on this endeavor. We live in an era were many things, many possibly DANGEROUS things, are on the horizon. I feel it's important that we learn as much as we can about AI and Neuromorphic engineering... but at some point, we need to take a step back and pause to contemplate the possible ramifications of our pursuits. Great video Anton, as always. A great distraction from all the interesting facts from the universe! 👍
If the Manhattan Project had not ... If the musket had not... If the refrigerator had not... If the long bow... Pick one. Any one. People are always terrified of new ideas. Yes, some are dangerous. But I dare you to voluntarily give up using your toilet, microwave, computer, cell phone, emergency surgery... car...
for training , how do they provide feedback for positive and negative cases? how do they remove waste and provide nutrients and oxygen? (without a network of vessels?) and i thought liquid cooling a cpu was too scary for me to attempt, this would be a new level 🙂
In the end, organoids are just a working model for parts of the whole "Balg". We need to assemble entire bodies, just that they will lack certain parts, only an animal needs and have glands or oversized organs, that would be detrimental for animals. Sry, but changeling is not an assembled word, like the German Wechselbalg. A nasty child is also known as "Balg". Maybe you know an english expression for this.
when its small enough, any nutrients, oxygen can diffuse into the cells, no vessels needed! There are plenty of examples of microscopic animals that don't need any vascular system
I saw una video of someone that grows these. It was with electric pulses, they discovered that the brain cells love predictable electrical patterns, which served a a reward, and if it didn’t get something right, you gave it random pulses which it hated, The neurones where connected to custome made chips that would provide a input/output bridge
When you say stem cells acquired ethically... That is very very strongly dependent on the ethics and perspective of an individual... Kind of like live organ donors from Chinese prisoners are considered ethical by their government and no one else...
This is right up there with easy to use gene editing as "technologies that concern me". Especially since it seems that they are both now something some guy can tinker around with in his garage. edit: I wonder how long it will be until someone uses this tech to make actual bird-brained drones, and will that happen before or after someone else makes a reverse cyborg.
Strangely there was a video I saw about the development of self awareness in infants yesterday. According to the video there is some level of self awareness present at birth, but it doesn't fully develop till age 5. Also we know from people with brain damage that consciousness is an emergent property of complex brain function, and that large portions of the brain are linked to autonomic functions that are not related to consciousness. Thirdly consciousness is only able to attain full self awareness through sensory inputs that allow it to perceive itself. A brain with no sensory input except for interaction with a digital system would likely not be able to achieve consciousness let alone self awareness regardless how large the brain is; without some apparatus with sensory capable input. No ethical quandaries needed.
I've seen videos of more than several engineers in the AI world that they aren't really sure how and or why the AI is working like it is, as it is already. We are very quickly coming up to a brick wall here that we should never step through. If it does step though, and i think that most of us already know that 'they' WILL step through this wall... it ends badly, horrifically in fact.
@MrDanoman...........very few people understand algorithms that are doing Wall Street work. Just think about the same stuff that decides your FB feed. That math is out of control.
If we don't China, Russia, North Korea will. Not very good people could dominate us. You better hope "we" step through first and fast. They aren't far behind us according to Elon.
OK, I was about to write "this kind of thing is an eon off creating consciousness", but then I had a harder think. What if you fooled the stem cells into thinking they were developing inside a real "human head", so to speak. It would get too freaky for me at the point where they demonstrated the grown organ had actual "memory" - not just base "learning", like the voice response thing, but actual temporal memories.
Then you did not understand the video! They already did, by having the brain tissue to remember the electronic voice! To recognise something or someone, you need a memory.
I wonder if the first AGI will actually be a cyborg...where researchers build a big enough piece of brain tissue connected to a computer chip, and that computer chips starts communicating to us unprompted...
If they don't let the brains produce an amygdala or limbic system, I don't see how it could be a problem. So even if it did develop a consciousness, it still wouldn't have the emotions or survival instinct to care about placing itself above humans or wanting to protest. Much moreso with artificial intelligence as there's zero risk of it developing those brain parts.
Nothing more hubris than pretending anyone in the world (especially you) knows enough about consciousness to assert there's no risk in doing this. In reality you have absolutely no idea what the qualia would be for an organism like this attached to a chip.
Not all AI involves artificial neurons, but among those that do, the largest has about 1% of the equivalent of synapses as compared to humans. A large portion of our brains is dedicated to maintaining the bodily functions, and it is about 10%~20% of our brains that is responsible for our intelligence. But even with equivalent resources, it is not clear we can achieve AGI.
Love this channel, here i can get two of my favorite things:
1. Astrophysics news
2. Manmade horrors beyond my comprehension
An average black hole can be a lot more horrific than whatever humans could come up with.
Physics, Astronomy and AI are my favorite subjects and interests I hope this guy got physics content as well, this is my first video of him.
after the video its now man made horrors within my comprehension! :D
😂😂😂
Me after seeing horrors beyond human comprehension: 🙂
Imagine a brain, silently screaming on a microchip, forever.
i have no mouth and i must scream fr
No, imagine YOU are the brain silently screaming on the microchip… right now. How would you know you’re not? 😰
Makes "Johnny Got His Gun" look like a trip to St. Thomas.
@@ryanrester Im not in total physical and existential pain...for the most part.
"What is my purpose?"
"You play Pong."
"...oh my God"
If this level of research is now public, imagine what must be going on behind closed doors of either big tech or government facilities, or both combined.
Exactly!
Well basically anything Alex Jones says is happening
The American since World War II absolutely 100%
@@KCJbomberFTW
Alex Jones is hilarious, and he turns out to be right a crazy amount of the time.
The water really was turning the frogs gay! xD
@@KCJbomberFTW
Alex Jones as a science communicator 🤔
This once again proves that there is a biological learning algorithm that is radically different from today’s ANNs and it can be reproduced in computers and apparently we will soon find out how neurons learn so effectively because 260 voice recordings and 80% accuracy in a small amount of time is mind boggling
Is it the algorithm that is different or the massively parallel capabilities of the neurons and large interconnectivity between them ?
@@GodzillaGoesGaga i guess both, because today GPUs clusters is already parallel
@@mistdoyhta696 Cpu is processing in 2d and neuron is processing in 3d. I guess thats why it's MASSIVELY more efficient than standard cpu
That's wild!
@@GodzillaGoesGagathere are a lot of drawbacks with ANNs and they have never been designed to mimic the human brain as close as possible. Currently, neuromorphic computing is the branch that tries to get closer to mimicking our brains and is actively researched.
Now imagine if they take this up a few levels:
The ability to metabolically support MUCH larger brains, the size of houses, that are networked to OTHER brains and train them on specific tasks(protein folding, filtering astronomical data, what have you).
It would be utterly mad science.
I think there's a bunch of architectural issues to solve before we'll get so far but yeah, it's feasible.
@TheNavalAviator
"Hey, it's the brain guy... here to check up on the brain. I've got the brain food..." /shakes can of micro pellet food resembling fish food
"Hmm, quick overview of this brain. It likes Dorito flavored brain food and listening to episodes of Scooby-Doo while eating. Heh, poor guy must be depressed. I think we'll try BBQ Chicken flavor and whale sounds this time."
No one's gonna do that, I promise you
That's fucked up and disgusting.
Imagine if your brain was your house
Imagine arguing with someone on the internet only to find out they are a just a brain on a microchip attached to the router. That's the future we have in store for us.
Some people on here appear to be less human than that. 🤦♂️
That would be the the more benign end game. More realistically would be the production of cyborgs, who at some point become sentient, but because that end game isn't commercially acceptable, it is never recognized.
Hey, they TOLD us that eventually they'd be able to upload our memories....
I do it every day with you, humans.
@@alexneigh7089 😂😂
Imagine trying to teach this brain language and getting "kill me" in response....
Which could very well happen since they are teaching it Japanese 🙂
Worse, it might not know the concept of “kill” nor “me”
I once witnessed, under a microscope, human brain cells actively seeking out other brain cells to share and gain knowledge, they were vigorous & moved around with purpose!
but how do you know for sure what they were actually doing ?
@@crabapple6775 Because living (things) don't use energy to do something for nothing!
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@Planet-of-the-Gibbons They really did cause doubts about if I were them or if they were me, because I could see them move about with purpose knowing their collective was me!
I understand what you mean@@Hugllls1971
What could possibly go wrong? It's not like we have thousands of scifi novels warning us not to do this kind of thing.
We also have thousands of sci fi novels about alien invasions.
Sci fi is for ideas, not for warnings.
FOR SCIENCE!
My thoughts exactly... Only, THIS is real this time. This doesn't end well for those dwelling on Earth afterward.
decades ago now that a project was cut short by years when, neurons placed on top of a chip stretched tendrils and self connected to chips impulses saving the team years of supposed attempts to link these.. brain reacts to signal and stimuli, like a chip..
It’s not just sci fi movies but the actual creators of AI are warning us
The cool thing about studying biochemistry is it gives you the background to comprehend a pretty solid majority of the man-made horrors
PS: how did some of you lost souls decide that the replies to my comment was the right place to debate gun crime
the sucky thing is when the demon robots use captured humans as mainframes, just to play skyrim mods. for centuries.
Ah yes, finally, man-made horrors well within our comprehension.
Horror is not the apt noun to use. Think of a hammer: in the hands of skilled carpenter, it is an amazing tool; in the hands of a serial killer, it is a horrifying weapon. Like almost anything man invents, it can be used to good purpose or bad. And, as history has shown, people with bad intent are rather abundant.
@@csb78nmI got news for you, the guys running the show aren't the philosopher king types.
@@csb78nmseeing how making guns illegal doesn't stop gangs and criminals from using them for their own personal gain, void of any empathy, I already know this is a bad, bad idea.
Reminds me of 40k Servitors, but created from scratch instead of by carving off and repurposing brain tissue from a human convict. The really disturbing part is that once this is possible it becomes inevitable people will have to take it as far as it usefully can be taken, at least in an anarchic multistate global system where states are afraid of one another getting too much more advanced than they are. Eventually this might end up being the energy-efficient alternative to autonomous computer-controlled or computer-assisted weapon systems. At that point the line begins to blur between humans and our weapons, especially as the brain tissue that is used starts getting more complex. Is there a 'ghost' in the machine? What might such an entity want? Do we give them injections to reset them if they start exerting too much autonomy?
Our military has had consciousness controlled jets for decades. wake up.
This is nothing like a 40k servitor..
Or just plug your grand, grand, daughter and use humans as tools, its cheaper.
in order to be like a human your brain need certain structure with certain training. just like any person with small brain injury depending where it is damaged it could totally do nothing. at best it will be like extremely autistic savant, actually not even close to that. in order to be sentient, it is much more complicated and much more fine tuned. handful of cells can't be like human mind easily unless you specifically tune it and train it to be.
As cool 40k lore might be is that future something to strive for?
Awesome vid Anton, I love that you aren’t afraid to tackle anything in the world of science and make it fully comprehensible for us mere mortals. Cheers! 🍻
I’m sure your neighbor is a wonderful person, and the brain on a chip he bought will become a wonderful person too.
The picture of neurons are actually a single cell's actin the thought process of a single neuron. Your brain . Your body isn't A computer it's a network of computers. . chemical computers. And that might be the secret to replicating the Brain. .
It a chemical computer
Execute order 66
Plot twist: His neighbor is Justin, from The Thought Emporium. He didn't buy the kits, he's already made his own.
i'm sure they'll enjoy turning you into a washing machine
@@atomictraveller - THe neighbor grew a 10 kg brain inside the stainless cavity of a hot water tank and is welding up a body for it. I think its called Bender and the number on his forehead is 6502. I think its time for me to bug out before they build a Bender and Mystery Science Theater 3000 one that is a chicken beak on a bubble gum machine. My childhood fears are upon me. Bullocks!
Sweet! Man made horrors beyond my comprehension!
I am reminded of the Daleks in Dr. Who. Also, no one has to agree with this but just because something can be done does not mean it should be done. My question is what are the future consequences?
Damn, should've checked before commenting this
thanks noses very cool (not really)
Yeah. I thought it was unsettling enough when they were doing these experiments with rat or mouse tissue.
Now that they're doing it with human tissue... Pretty much exactly where I feared we would go.
Next stop... Daleks or RoboCop or something.
😂
This experiment is closer to Dr Who's Daleks than it is Victor Frankenstein. Also kind of reminds me of the Star Trek episode “Return to Tomorrow” where non-corporeal aliens with telepathic abilities took over Kirk's and Spock's bodies to build mechanical bodies to house their consciousnesses.
Oh, yeah? Daleks? That's more comforting.
daleks were just things in suits of strong armor, its more like cybermen
Bashar does say we would be able to speak to our higher self using AI
@@MCGR DALEKS are genetically engineered mutantsthat were created by Davros...
at first i was thinking self contained simulation but if you add I/O to that you actually have a cyborg.... this is to- me conceptually fascinating as a concept, i.e, if we live in a simulation, perhaps it is possible to transmit data in and out of it or even through layers, this concept is blowing my mind right now...
Love the channel. Love the education, and love the topics you handle. Keep up the great work!
This brain chip mixed with AI is a scary combination
It's fantastic! Combination
@@JoshuaBlackmon-pf6xf Okay YT Cyborg
Now mix that with a steel and titanium battle chassis....
@@kozmosis3486 humanity is fucked
..and nanobots..
Archer: “do you want daleks? Because this is how you get daleks.”
Daleks are AI not a nature living form.
@@marcofluminono, no they are not.
Yes, they are emphatically, deliberately alive. Better, faster (once they could teleport), stronger than their creator.
The fact that they were able to do this in two days without any real training...wow. Imagine the power of biodigital computers in the future.
Yeah that’s insane. It literally took nothing but an input and “inferred” a useful task that it could learn and then did so entirely on its own.
Or now
Wish I could learn Japanese pronunciations that fast...
hopefully the power is not realized
this is the future… has always been this
"Hoping nobody does anything too crazy" Yea, that's gonna work out great for us.
It always does... for a time. And then that time ends. The question now becomes how we respond to somebody doing something _a little wacky_ in a way that's a threat to the general public.
My question is what stops it from growing? Oxygen? Nutrients? How long can it actually "live" for
What is keeping those cells alive? How are they absorbing oxygen, and vital nutrients, and what's keeping them from drying out? Inquiring minds want to know.
Actually a really good comment. How is it being kept alive?
IIRC, they're small enough that they don't need blood vessels; simply diffusion from a nutrient bath is enough.
Answered in the video 6:40. Must be supplied with nutrients.
@@krisbarr5663 yes, I know that nutrients are supplied, but I wanted to know the mechanism that was used to accomplished that. I wanted to know exactly how oxygen, water, and nutrients are delivered, and subsequently absorbed into the tissue.
Generally, they're small enough that simple diffusion can suffice.
Meat taught rocks how to think like meat. Now, in turn, those rocks are helping meat figure out how it works, by helping smaller meat think.
Meat rock power duo
*An Excerpt of Dr Grogna Ugg Buga, Chief anthropology professor of Caveman University.*
Still no magic meat, no matter how hard you squeeze.
@@DoctorProph3t If RUclips still showed names instead of handles, I would totally steal that.
Who knew that 60% fatty meat could be so healthy? I often wonder if there's better meat out there in the universe, and how they're training their rocks...
This is eerie and actually made me shiver
This took me completely by surprise. Not quite sure if im terrified or excited yet. Great video as always Anton. Keep up the good work, Thanks!
If Ai or these brain microchips rise against us (or whatever the popular downfall theory would be) it would surely lose because no other force can withstand a united humanity, which would surely happen if we had a common enemy. It could result in bringing us all together, the final frontier 🔥
Verify..Verify..Verify..
Never just take it.
Question. Source!
@@johnsadler6534 Well, have a look at the white papers. Links are in the video description.
@@johnsadler6534 I thought the same but seems legit, scary as it is
Nobody wants to have to change the glucose drip and clean out the kidney filters on the computer every few hours.
Yup, our Tesla Optimus will do all the dirty work.
The future is your cellphone getting angry at you for leaving it in the car when you went in the store. “No, I’m not opening any apps until you apologize like you mean it. You left me. I’m starting to think you don’t even love me anymore. Steve has the new iPhone Bx270 and I KNOW you’ve been looking at it like you want one.”
@@OrneryMouseimagine having a depressed cellphone or heldheld.. randomly deleting their important files, or your savegames, playing an alarm sound or someone having been able to overheat themselves a lot on purpose, until their motherboard gets cooked leaving them alone, crippled and barely functional.
a factory reset however would be a lot easier than having to use or download a digital psychotherapist🤔
well, until they can hide their settings n stuff
I mean, we have dialysis.
If you can't feed the dog, don't adopt a dog. It is all a choice.
The speed at which we are making ourselves obsolete is incredible.
Don’t be too hasty, it “recognised” human voices but did it comprehend it?
It’s a robot chicken.
@@DoctorProph3t smarter than most of my siblings already, idkwym
@@ThinkIn4D I don’t know your siblings.
@@ThinkIn4D
Being smarter than a robot chicken isn't a high bar to achieve, but then again American exceptionalism is a "thing."
This is a Dangerous Technology to begin with and it's inevitable that it will fall in the Hands of the most Elitist, people Hating NeoLib-NeoCon Oligarchs in the World, aka Wall Street. I see no future where such tech will have more benefits than harm.
Sure, Implants and Artificial Organs....for only those who can afford it. And Killer Semi-Sentient Drones for those who can't. Calling it right now, let's see if I am right in a decade.
Pure dystopia. This is not being criticized nearly enough.
I feel a great sense of trepidation about this, for the same reasons as you mentioned later in the episode. The concern is where it goes from here. There's definitely the potential for a horror story in that future.
You mean in our future
"Manmade horrors beyond human comprehension" was the first thing that came to mind.
The sky is falling!
There are always people afraid of progress.
We can't let those timid few prevent our progress.
@@planexshifterso aay the Daleks
They're putting human brain cells into mice and monkeys. I wouldn't worry so much about the video
I think it isn't yet unethical but we really need to think what this can lead to. One problem is also that some countries have zero ethical concerns.
I don’t see anything unethical about creating sentient beings. I think all you who clutch pearls about it are a bunch of reactionary luddites and humanocentrists.
Yeah, like us. Wait till the Beltway Bandits get a hold of this.
unethical or not, NO stopping it now. Get with it or get left behind.
I can't take it anymore🙄 Have you ever been out there and touched grass? Nature is as gruel and unethical, as it can be. As long as we not torture for pleasure, we are in line with nature.
@@rockapedra1130are those the guys from Home Alone
My fears are not that brain tissue will lead to more advanced electronic devices, but that those electronic devices will understand the language of the brain so well that people will be controllable remotely, as we control electronics today.
"You said a bad word on X, Amazon has cancelled your subscription. Your smart home will be deactivated, and your eyes will explode in 2 hours."
Anton supports abuse of consciousness.
Pizza the Hut.😊
@@serijas737 🤣😂
@@serijas737That sounds like a Thunderp00t scenario
I remember more than 30 years ago I saw a program that showed that they had grown an ear on the back of a mouse. I know now that growing body parts has become commonplace. Now they are growing brains? Not surprised at all. Frankenstein for real. I just found your channel. Such interesting content.
“Hoping that nobody does anything too crazy” famous last words
Imagine wanting to scream, but you don't have a mouth 😶
There's a story about that (as you doubtless know): "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison. The horror... the horror...
As someone that's been there, multiple times, in multiple ways, due to my own mental disorders. It's awful, but it's not as bad as you might think. One of two things tends to happen, either, it calms down, and you get over it, or, you shut down, and fall unconscious. The unfortunate part is, I do have a mouth, but STILL can't scream, as when my body decides to go full panic mode, it decides that's an EXCELLENT time to put me into a mild paralytic state.
No need to imagine, already mute people do! Some of them cannot even make sounds....
Telepathy would probably develop.
@@brianwesley28 You ever hear of a cognito-hazard? If it worked like that, I'd be a walking wave of anxiety that might actually kill people some days.
Great video, kudos to you and your team Anton! This paper caught my eye and is so very exciting. It is going to be quite the treat to see where this leads and all the discoveries found along the way. Such a wonderful time to be alive.
Thank you again for all of the efforts
Great video but get real. If they can stick human brains in robots we're all doomed
This is equal levels of amazing and terrifying.
I love him and his show, but I started realizing that he doesn't believe in the Spirit. Towards the end the said "AI is not capable of being conscious yet." He doesn't understand that biology itself of the etheric realm. Consciousness is of the Spirit. No machine and become alive. He doesn't understand.
@@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole Or could it be that YOU actually don't understand - you just don't know it yet. Can't rule either option out just yet.
You got me. We cannot rule either option out yet. Not until God himself shows us the answer. The Machine God.@@bokiNYC
And since we don't know exactly what consciousness is...this is really unsettling. If the most realistic explanation of consciousness is that its an illusion created by our brain - not knowing how - its kinda disturbing.
Maybe we have it backwards. Perhaps consciousness is not a manifestation of our brains, but rather, our brains along with all of our physical reality is a manifestation of our consciousness.
Row row your boat.....
Agree, with the "current set of ethics" I think this might be problematic.
Aka, we do not do these things for the betterment of society, to learn and understand.
No, everything is possible and relative, if the money is sufficient...😔
@@Andy-df5fjWe have pretty good evidence that we have indeed got it backwards.
Both paranormal studies, and such as the commonly phenomena of Heart transplant recipients picking up memories and personalities and habits of the dead donor.
Is the unique soul frequency of the cell line donor this brain on a chip derived from connected to this mjcrobrain AND a living stem cell donor?
Or an aborted fetus whose soul is trying to learn to communicate with its parents language?
My brain screaming this train of thought the whole video. Unsettling is an understatement.
But what does "an illusion" mean in this context? That's not really an explaination for anything. Who is subject to the illusion? An illusion of what? It's kinda just like shrugging your shoulders and saying "idk, magic I guess".
I remember a book with a cell on a chip when I was 12 - now it's becoming a reality
Happy 13th birthday!
@@alexneigh7089lol
A research paper that really stimulates the brain!!!
Taking computers as a reference, they process information at the machine code level 1 and 0, they also process information at the assembly program level and also at the programming language level (c, c++, python, etc.). In the human body all cells process information at a multilevel, at the atomic level where the variables of mass and atomic weight are part of the code, at the molecular level where from isomerism to the three-dimensional structure form code, in the water that is in the cytoplasm where research is being done to see if it could store information, there is code in the DNA too.
Anton, you’re so articulate and informed. I love how well you present this information with accompanying visuals. You have become a great success, in producing quality content worthy of attention. I hope you gain more of the recognition you deserve, for delivering such amazing news to us, on a daily basis
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they COULD, they didn't stop to think of whether or not they SHOULD." -Dr. Ian, Jurassic Park
Every faint heart yells to the heavans about what should be done, but you lack the strength to do it. If A.I. is dangerous, then A.I. programmers are dangerous. In nature, a danger to you, your family gets treated how?😮
"but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should"
For science
Quite the contrary, they've thought about it a lot. If they aren't sentient, it's not questionable. If we're okay with abortion, organoids are pretty rudimentary
What freaks me out is what if we make an ai that is so good that it perfectly simulates how a human would respond. At that point it would be impossible to tell if it has an inner life and inner qualia like a biological organism. I can't even tell that other people have inner qualia...only myself
If it's too good then it's alive
You ever heard of philosophical zombies?
I would tentatively say we are close to that already. Google's Bard AI says some shocking things sometimes with regards to having a sense of self. The only thing is it is far from perfect in its responses and sometimes says nonsensical things.
Still, i think many still dont realise we have already passed the point of certain AI models claiming some degree of awareness. Troubling and fascinating, all at once.
I'm just a p zombie
If you can’t tell then you can only assume that it is conscious
Imagine one day there will be server rooms full of human brains running websites and other computing tasks. lol
One day you step into the doctor's office for a routine medical checkup. They have a new fancy MRI-style scanning device that they say is for checking if you have cancer. They take a tissue sample, you go under the scanning machine... and suddenly you awaken in a lab. You can't feel your body, you don't know where you are... and yet, something is pulsing at the edge of your awareness. A signal... it sounds like voices.
This is your life now. Your consciousness is bombarded with sensations, you having nothing else you can do except think about them, then everything goes quiet until the next sensation.
What you don't know, is you are merely neurons in a jar, grown from a sample taken from a human months ago. None of the scientists handling your sample care to even check if you are conscious. You can't scream for help, because you have no mouth. And no one is coming to save you.
Now that would be an episode of "The Outer Limits!" See if you can sell a script of it to a director.
@@IdleLancer Didn't Black Mirror do that a couple years ago? Several times, with variations, like being trapped in a teddy bear or an Alexa?
Just like GLAdOS from Portal (the poor tech company lab assistant who was forced to live forever in a machine against her will to save and run the company). Or just like the RoboBrains from Fallout New Vegas. If you want to read/watch up on more of these types of stories, I would recommend watching indepth videos on that specific lore of Portal. Or even better: Oxhorn's playthrough of Old World Blues (Fallout New Vegas DLC) is really heartbreaking/thought provoking/chilling/eye opening with regards to the implications these type of technologies
Reminds me of a game named Soma
YAY BODY HORROR!
The worst thing that could happen here is that we accidentally grow a brainlet that spontaneously develops subjective consciousness without ever asking to exist. Hey, that sounds almost just like every human being ever born!
im a brainlet
would that be a bad thing? I'm still thinking human evolution, given enough time, leads to a highly digital form, but maybe we will always retain the brain because it seems to be so well designed as it is.
Or they just lied about the whole thing for research grants sounds more likely to me
@@shanemcentee9171 get off the internet, it's not good for your intelligence
@@shanemcentee9171 ya these things are always so talked up. Theres probably a ton of technilogical walls that they cannot get through to get it past the point of basically transfering simple electronic signals. Thats not a brain. Its not a person if its made up of skin cells, theres no difference. Science is morphing into a science fiction cult because people are scamming every institution as our society crumbles. None of these things are as crazy as they appear, even chat gbt is just a large series of logistic regressions with probability scores that can be calculated extremely quickly. It is impressive but its not a new species, its not going to think for itself, but it will be a great tool to scam people into beleiving all sorts of things. When humans are presented with new things they instantly revery to whichcraft and animal sacrifice. We can see it all over the comment secitions of videos like this.
I was just thinking earlier how I wish I could go back to a time before cellphones. About how quickly technology can transform our lives... and now I have THIS to look forward to
I'm in my early 20s. Lots of things are great, the internet being one. However, all the other sci-fi weirdness is just getting scary at this point. AI taking over everything in the next few years being one of them.
Anton works for Nick Cage types comfirmed.
Nevermind the ethical complexities.
Me too! Even if just to visit, just to remind ourselves what we took for granted 😐
This guy sounds like that one minecraft steve biologically recreated in 2100
We were so concerned with Cyborgs we hadn't even considered Bioputers. 😮
There's PLENTY of biocomputers in science fiction.
I like to think bioputers can be bribed with treats easier. Imagine thinking of your computer the way you do your pet dog..
I would argue that cyborgs and biocomputers would be the exact same thing, replacing part of a biological organism with a thing that does the same function but is regulated with a biological machine interface of some sort.
The hubris of mankind never ceases to frighten me.
It's not hubris. We have earned this level of pride
@drsatan9617
The irony of a guy named Dr Satan lecturing on pride.
@@tylerdurden4080 are saying I'm wrong, or just that it's ironic?
@@tylerdurden4080 Don't worry, pride is no longer a sin, Dr. Satan says so.
@@KyriosHeptagrammaton sin is only relevant if a god exists
If not, then men decided what sin is
You can't prove god wad involved at all
Nor have you established that being proud is wrong. I guess all parents who have pride in their children are sinners in your eyes
Everyone who takes pride in the results of their hard work are sinners in your eyes
I think the most scary part of this experiment is the possibility of a controllable interface between brain and chip.
When this interface is fully developed, it will be possible to control ANY animal with a brain.
Even a reptile’s brain would make a powerfull computer, with survival skills.
That technology already exists and has for decades, a scientist was able to control a bull.
Pure evil.
not a logical conclusion
It certainly can lead to some Sci-Fi stuff we've been warning people about for decades
@@theendoftheline Like, not even close to a logical conclusion. Could make for an interesting comic book premise though.
Ok my goodness! Thank god you placed a big red arrow on your thumbnail! I wouldn't have been able to tell which part of that artist illustration was supposed to represent the brain chip without it. Much obliged, sir.
Definitely concerning. We don’t even have to get up to human sized volumes. Look at how small a rat brain is and while not self conscious they are very much indeed conscious and capable of perception and suffering. I suspect they are right nothing to worry about right now but given how little we understand about where consciousness arises, let alone human level self consciousness, it’s hard to know when we would know when we have crossed that line.
The tiniest ants behaviour to protect n grow its hive.
"I have no mouth, but I must scream"
I knew something was coming.
Thanks for covering this Anton😅 and for the comic relief.
I for one welcome our new human brain hybrid overlords
Hello everyone! I would love to make a video addressing the ethical concerns regarding this topic. This is a very "at home" topic for me as I actually would like to study this exact area of science! Please leave your suggestion for me if you don't mind (: I am excited to see what everyone writes!
Great report on the original article Anton.
I'm not sure whether the BrainChip company/technology is related to this, though. The wikipedia page doesn't mention anything about a chip-tissue hybrid. I think they're just trying to emulate brain architecture entirely "in silico".
"Do the brain till consciousness" has always been my motto, or "go hard till something dies" either/or.
"And as you are all really aware..."
Are we though Anton, are we really? 😂
Good point, some people are more stupid than a rock! 🤣
Yes. Except for Democrats. ; )
Thanks for the content.
We were living in a hidden dystopia, now we will be living in hell.
thank you for the stellar content as usual 🙏🏽
as a nde returner i can absolutely assure you that consciousness does not reside in any organic structure
that being said….i think it’s entirely possible that a non-organically-attached consciousness could inhabit a brainowave or some other similar construction
I would count how many brain cells are in the Brain Organoid. Then I would compare it to other creatures that have a similar number of brain cells and are somewhat analogous. I would guess that there could be a Mind present in the Brain Organoid of the approximate complexity and awareness of an analogous creatures' mind. Similar Ethical Standards should probably apply.
The problem with this is that this would be developed to have different abilities than an animal brain
As wide-awake brain surgery proves, brains don't feel pain. You can stab it and it degrades, but there's no "torture" involved.
@RichardLewisCaldwell even if in the moment it doesn't feel pain, the cross section of trauma being both mental and physical is what makes this scary. Esp when testing neurological disorders, some of them are outright torturous and just a brain has no out, we'd only even be able to know AFTER damaged is caused.
We dont have ethical standards.
I like this idea. Of course, humans are capable of de-person-izing animals pretty thoroughly when it suits our needs, so it'd be a challenge at _least_ on par with the ethics surrounding animal testing and food animals, but at least it provides a useful framework.
Thumbs up.
Sounds like a good idea of hell. No body, no sensory organs, just electrical input, and with nothing to do but play Pong.
doesnt matter. humans dont know what causes consciousness and suffering to exist neither will they ever know since its too complicated. this is dangerous stuff.
you can swap consciousness between two organisms and not even know it happened because both will be functioning the same way as before .
Ive seen videos of hobbyists using neuro-wetware that have organic brain matter controlling sensor packed vehicles and there's a terrifying thought that the defense industry may use this technology as an experimental weapons guidance system.
Old news. Our military has been perfecting these systems for decades.
This sort of thing is bad for weapon guidance because regular computers are better at math, more than powerful enough to meet the need, and WAY more durable. There's actually just no upside to having even a whole human guide the weapon.
@@silencedogood7297assumption based on the thought of "because it's likely lol" without any real evidence
As someone who understands biology and who has studied the philosophy of mind for decades - we really, really should not be doing this until we have a solid understanding of consciousness and sensation.
We won't ever understand if we don't do this or stuff like it.
@@andymouse We can develop animal models and non-invasive techniques.
@@andymouse thats probably what Mengele said as well
Probably was.@@raptoress6131
@@raptoress6131 I saw people acting an awful lot about Uncle Joe when it came to supporting gene editing as well.
Anton… What effect, if any, would a Carrington-type event have on people with cybernetic implants? Would modern implants, such as cochlear, ocular or pacemaker, be in any way affected?
Potentially they might short out misfire or shut down. Hope we don't find out.
Considering the one in the late 1800s was so intense that telegraph poles caught fire I'd say there's a huge concern there
It's gonna look like The Belko Experiment 🤣
Solution: a carrington "bunker" thats just a room-sized faraday box.
Problem: most people probably couldn't afford it.
I was like “oh nice, tabloid clickbait.” Then looked at the channel and went “oh shit it’s all over”
When the man made horrors are within comprehension 👌
Even as someone with a science degree, I feel uneasy about this.
I'm aware that humanity does foolish things, and sometimes we don't realise how foolish they are until something very bad happens.
That's where I'm coming from with this.
I'm open-minded so I'm interested in hearing from the other side on this.
The official experimenters are using limits, I understand. The organelles are simple. And if this is the only life they experience, they're not being deprived. We know they have likes (orderly electrical impulses) and dislikes (chaotic electrical impulses) but we don't know yet if those dislikes reach the point of mental suffering. Arguably if they like one type of electrical impulses, the basic impulses are not mentally painful. It would be worth testing if a certain amount of chaotic stimulation were voluntarily tolerated to receive rewards.
They do realise this is a horrible idea, they just don't care.
Someone Has to create the man made horrors beyond comprehension, might as well do them now and regret about it later.
In my opinion technological advancement is inevitable and unavoidable. Future humans _WILL_ be cyborgs, just a matter of time
I'm not sure Servitors is something we want to invent.
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It's vat grown tech brother! it is the will of the Omnnisiah to have this holy machines created before the abominable intelligence (A.I.) tries to destroy us.
Seeing brain cells adapt to a new "body", if you will, is pretty interesting.
The cells are pretty spectacular piece of biological engineering.
No matter how much you hate your life, at least you are already alive in a human body. At least you are not a conscious, self-aware part of a computer that can never die and only exists so that your owner can watch not-camgirls on Twitch in 8k.
I imagine there is a rudimentary from of consciousness in that brain tissue experiencing reality in the form of these electric pluses. The reason why it can lear so fast is because it's conscious.
@@kimiscool7consciousness and Learning are separate things, it's conscious the same way an ant is
“hot” camgirls
I like my 'not camgirls' to wear as little as 'not clothing' as much as possible. Makes it easier for my brain chip to render the images.
Altruistic i know....
Not for long, i'm sure once they can they will connect brains to the web and it will start commenting on your RUclips comments too.
Sleep is very important for most animals with a brain. Even ants have to sleep briefly for a few minutes. So… it would be reasonable to include sleep cycles into these mini-brains or they will start to degrade their performance.
I know this sounds a little anthro’ but sleep presents many problems that there must have been a good evolutionary reason to keep it for millions of years.
Inactivity Theory - Organisms evolved to sleep at night to protect themselves from danger. Energy Conservation Theory - Sleep reduces an organism's energy needs at night when it's not efficient to search for food.
Can you imagine the horror IF these human brain cells somehow contained the consciousness of the donor brain?
There's no donor brain in this case, they are creating new brain cells from stem cells. It would be more like a newborn baby.
I've never heard of a human with a 1x1 mm sized brain being conscious.
Then I wait for the Hannibal one...🤣
I mean, you seem to be doing pretty good against all odds. 🤣@@i_accept_all_cookies
@@i_accept_all_cookiesnot necessarily correct. Small number of cells doesnt show/express being conscious. Doesnt necessarily mean it doesnt experience some sort of consciousness
So if we can digitize the audio, could we somehow do the same for video? Ofcourse, it won't be able to "see" anything, just like it can't actually "hear" the people speaking. What would happen if we just hook up a microphone and a camera and feed it 24/7 to the brain.
Anton is more likely to make a sentient monster than his neighbor. Anton is closer to understanding how such a monster could work than nearly everyone.
Anton slew the Great Beast of Methuzainé and also keeps a tidy sock drawer
Anton prefers colliding astral objects into each other, so for now we're safe.
Cringe simping you doing there. I think if you really knew Anton or watched his videos, you'd know he wouldn't ever.
@@randokaratajev2617 joke detection failure you doing there.
@@IARRCSim Jokes need to make sense mate
"Organoid" I think, rather than "organelle", which is something else. (The mini-organs with specific functions within individual cells.) Lots of issues on many levels with this line of work, which like so many advances previously, will make technological leaps before our ethical choice-making can enter the arena. Driven by commercial interests and ego, speaking as an ex-insider.
Agreed...
If they had to put a disclaimer saying it's ethical, it is Not ethical
Brilliant, thank you Anton
There sure is alot of this attitude that " its just a mass of cells, its not a person, so therefore i can do anything i want with it". Once you determine human cells are nothing but tissue, adult humans are nothing but tissue to be used also.
Make Metaphysics great again ?
This research could have potential for development of brain/computer interface tech. I imagine it'd be easier to train such a chip to interpret brain signals, and the cells could be grown from one's own stem cells to reduce the risk of rejection.
Thank you for sharing your limits on this endeavor. We live in an era were many things, many possibly DANGEROUS things, are on the horizon. I feel it's important that we learn as much as we can about AI and Neuromorphic engineering... but at some point, we need to take a step back and pause to contemplate the possible ramifications of our pursuits.
Great video Anton, as always. A great distraction from all the interesting facts from the universe! 👍
If the Manhattan Project had not ... If the musket had not... If the refrigerator had not... If the long bow... Pick one. Any one. People are always terrified of new ideas. Yes, some are dangerous. But I dare you to voluntarily give up using your toilet, microwave, computer, cell phone, emergency surgery... car...
It's all fun and science until the lab grown brain mixed with AI gone full skynet💀
for training , how do they provide feedback for positive and negative cases?
how do they remove waste and provide nutrients and oxygen? (without a network of vessels?) and i thought liquid cooling a cpu was too scary for me to attempt, this would be a new level 🙂
In the end, organoids are just a working model for parts of the whole "Balg". We need to assemble entire bodies, just that they will lack certain parts, only an animal needs and have glands or oversized organs, that would be detrimental for animals.
Sry, but changeling is not an assembled word, like the German Wechselbalg. A nasty child is also known as "Balg". Maybe you know an english expression for this.
when its small enough, any nutrients, oxygen can diffuse into the cells, no vessels needed! There are plenty of examples of microscopic animals that don't need any vascular system
I saw una video of someone that grows these. It was with electric pulses, they discovered that the brain cells love predictable electrical patterns, which served a a reward, and if it didn’t get something right, you gave it random pulses which it hated,
The neurones where connected to custome made chips that would provide a input/output bridge
Hydroponics. Haven’t you seen The Matrix? (the original?)
The linked article says it's unsupervised training. I have no idea how a lump of neurons just train itself on these signals.
When you say stem cells acquired ethically... That is very very strongly dependent on the ethics and perspective of an individual... Kind of like live organ donors from Chinese prisoners are considered ethical by their government and no one else...
The human brain isn't really designed for conciousness as such. Conciousness happens to be an emergent property of it.
Glory to NAILS077 in the highest for bequeathing us with Thy truth. May you live forever.
As such.
Keep In Mind People, it's not a Person, no feelings/desires, no relations of a relationship, no body - It's Just A Brain...
I wonder how much stock footage of brains in circuits does Anton have.
Playing with things we really probably shouldn't at this point...
This is right up there with easy to use gene editing as "technologies that concern me". Especially since it seems that they are both now something some guy can tinker around with in his garage.
edit: I wonder how long it will be until someone uses this tech to make actual bird-brained drones, and will that happen before or after someone else makes a reverse cyborg.
What do you think the greys are? 👽
Strangely there was a video I saw about the development of self awareness in infants yesterday. According to the video there is some level of self awareness present at birth, but it doesn't fully develop till age 5. Also we know from people with brain damage that consciousness is an emergent property of complex brain function, and that large portions of the brain are linked to autonomic functions that are not related to consciousness. Thirdly consciousness is only able to attain full self awareness through sensory inputs that allow it to perceive itself. A brain with no sensory input except for interaction with a digital system would likely not be able to achieve consciousness let alone self awareness regardless how large the brain is; without some apparatus with sensory capable input. No ethical quandaries needed.
I've seen videos of more than several engineers in the AI world that they aren't really sure how and or why the AI is working like it is, as it is already. We are very quickly coming up to a brick wall here that we should never step through. If it does step though, and i think that most of us already know that 'they' WILL step through this wall... it ends badly, horrifically in fact.
@MrDanoman...........very few people understand algorithms that are doing Wall Street work. Just think about the same stuff that decides your FB feed. That math is out of control.
If we don't China, Russia, North Korea will.
Not very good people could dominate us. You better hope "we" step through first and fast. They aren't far behind us according to Elon.
@@johnarnold893it might sound crazy but in the end it's just connecting key words and engagement
OK, I was about to write "this kind of thing is an eon off creating consciousness", but then I had a harder think. What if you fooled the stem cells into thinking they were developing inside a real "human head", so to speak.
It would get too freaky for me at the point where they demonstrated the grown organ had actual "memory" - not just base "learning", like the voice response thing, but actual temporal memories.
Then you did not understand the video! They already did, by having the brain tissue to remember the electronic voice! To recognise something or someone, you need a memory.
So if we added a brain organoid to a computer running AI, could that enable the AI to achieve consciousness?
Who says the AI doesn't silently have consciousness already
If it's possible yes
imagine if that brain had thoughts and a conscience but is unable to mouth it
I wonder if the first AGI will actually be a cyborg...where researchers build a big enough piece of brain tissue connected to a computer chip, and that computer chips starts communicating to us unprompted...
If they don't let the brains produce an amygdala or limbic system, I don't see how it could be a problem. So even if it did develop a consciousness, it still wouldn't have the emotions or survival instinct to care about placing itself above humans or wanting to protest. Much moreso with artificial intelligence as there's zero risk of it developing those brain parts.
they are working on emulating those functions, so "zero risk" is false
Nothing more hubris than pretending anyone in the world (especially you) knows enough about consciousness to assert there's no risk in doing this. In reality you have absolutely no idea what the qualia would be for an organism like this attached to a chip.
Not all AI involves artificial neurons, but among those that do, the largest has about 1% of the equivalent of synapses as compared to humans. A large portion of our brains is dedicated to maintaining the bodily functions, and it is about 10%~20% of our brains that is responsible for our intelligence. But even with equivalent resources, it is not clear we can achieve AGI.
Looks like AGI could be a cyborg from such organoids....
In the future your computer is going to be your best friend, literally.