I do think there is some valid criticism of mowalola and designers like her who seem to mostly center shock value and eroticism as the main pillars of their brand. Theres sort of two kinds of fashion people - one group who’s in it for the fun, the vibes, the glamor - and the other who’s more into the intellectual, deep, meaningful side of things. For me the biggest issue I have with mowalola (apart from her r*pist boy toy) is just when people try to project some inflated intellectualism onto the clothes that never pretend to be smart or thought provoking in the first place. That being said there is value in what she does and it certainly does say SOMETHING about where the fashion zeitgeist is atm.
Exactly this, i hope what i was saying in the video sounded at least similar to this😭😭like i wish there wasn’t such a mirage in front of her brand skewing what people think of it
Based in London and I have associates and colleagues that run in the circle that is Mowlola and I feel like you’re definitely right on point of similar to clout chasing era its like party chasing and like a weird sense of missing out on what is fashion now, if your not riding on the wave. She definitely has an influence on the scene and in modern fashion I give her credit for her ability to world build and cultivate a community, but I definitely see how a lot of that community is based on provocativeness and this over high sense of disruption. Overall, I think fashion and its context in eroticism and The cultures that she references are being watered down as time passes, and as the new generation becomes more nihilistic.
Personally I don’t like her I don’t even think she deserves the nuance we give her. She is needlessly problematic, and her space can be filled by someone with a lot more contribute to the space. Kind of a hater take but I do not care😭
The Ian Connor co-sign, uninspired pieces just using the black is beautiful dean blunt cover, previous accusations of mowalola stealing designs from other artists who aren’t as noticed, the nepo blueprint….. idk man. Idk if mowalola is valid like that
yeah u know that "ebony" leather shirt she has, well its from tearsofdreams, he had created it for his own brand and her management team reached out to him a few months ago to try to get permission to use it or something, he said no so she just made her own and sold it with 0 credit. yikes!
I think Mowalola is 🔥 but to add to what you’re saying I think what separates her from other established designers is She’s relatively new and hasn’t proven longevity yet. Will her work be timeless? Or is her work something that is good for the moment but will later die down once people start leaning more towards calm casual wear 🤔
hiii great vid! i kinda wanna touch on what you said at the end: you definitely highlighted that individuals can't rly do much with their buying power, but i suspect that despite fashion becoming more democratized even the collective can't do much either if certain brands are being platformed and given the space to grow and thrive through the industry. for one there's always gonna be a gap between consumer knowledge and ability/choice to purchase especially when it comes to luxury in fashion. a significant number of luxury consumers want things purely because of the brand name and aren't going to do further research because the purchases speak for themselves i suppose. willingness to research is 100% part of it but it takes time & effort and folks think clothes are just clothes i guess ... secondly i think people have even less motivation to collectively withdraw financially from something because our standards have been artificially decreased by fast fashion and just a faster lifestyle (consume more, think less). i love what you're proposing: to think more about what we do and what clothes we invest in, so maybe we need a bigger social change overall sorry this comment got so long, i hope it makes sense!! i learn so much from your vids & insight
I agree with everything you said, the gap between consumer and creator in fashion is something i’ve spoken about before and that’s why a lot of people are buying crap and don’t care because it would actually require them to be a lot more mindful and educated for them to make better purchases and people don’t want to do that. And yes most people buy into status instead of clothing and this has been the way since forever, it’s not necessarily even a good or bad thing it just is how it is in fashion tbh, but when brands are getting status as groundbreaking and subversive for the absolute minimum, and it’s due to the bar being that low, it’s definitely a sign of the times. Thank you for this comment!
Okay but we’re all saying the same things about Demna. Some of us actually want to wear clothes, not scraps of fabric thrown together for $1000. We can’t use the race card anytime someone critiques a Black artist, especially not when Mowalola clearly doesn’t care about honoring the legacies of historically Black fashion brands like Ebony.
fashion and media speak a lot about being your authentic self and then knock down people for being that, like from coming from a certain kind of background. mowalola is pretty controversial, unlike someone similar in her position such as Martine rose, there's an element of just media and the internet knocking others/overhyping for trying to do something different or even just evolving things that have been done before. Martine rose was ignored for years until Demna and Kanye noticed and had to hustle for years to get noticed and so I think the shock value does work for Mowa's overall brand image and marketing though, I feel like she still does have a lot of good takes to bring to runways.
Yeah i think it’s mainly something we have to watch, all this stuff early on that she’s doing will be viewed as either a benefit or a downfall once her brand has run its course
I don’t know much about Mowalola, but I hate when people compare different designers without taking into account that every one came from different cultural, social, class, race context and part of their references come from there. It Is like comparing apples with pears. Tho now I’m curious to know more about this designer cause my aesthetic is very Bimbo, Very Cunty, Very Trans 🙂↕️😏🦋
I think she would be right up your avenue tbh :3 Hope that doesn’t come off wrong, and yeah i do feel like there is a level of disdain for what she’s showing on the runway for a certain demographic of people but it’s just very current and people haven’t seen that specific type of expression on a high fashion runway before
on ur last point about how people should organize collectively to demand more or better etc from the people we engage/consume art from kind of fundamentally misunderstands the ways in which the art that we’re presented with gets to us in the first place. what i mean is you cannot divorce the art/design elements from the very real context of it still being a business in an era of neoliberal capitalism where the vast majority of masses/audiences/consumers of this stuff don’t critically/intentionally engage with the art and their histories in the first place. the people who find themselves wanting better shouldn’t demand ‘better representation’ within the current power structures that (re)produce art and present it to us, they should themselves try to create art for the more engaged people and not for an overarching profit incentive. of course for something like that to sustain itself people would have to be very very organized, mobilized and communicative with each other. it’d be a lot of work
ruclips.net/video/aatYYaYl9jM/видео.htmlsi=LrU6aoD_HlyOcA4f this video (in the context of rap) kinda discusses the pitfalls of demanding better representation while not grasping the larger context in which that representation exists
I’m a fan of this video although I’m not as well versed in the topic as yourself my only real criticism would be your failure to articulate exactly what you wanted to come across until the end but aside from that it was pretty good
You know as designers we have design jobs for other companies like theres no “stopping” once you worked placed you have a actual resume and portfolio you will always design ….
People saying she stole designs and yea that sucks but a lot of big designers have been stealing designs. And I don’t just mean reference, but straight up stealing. I think what throws me off about her or the brand the most is how attached Ian33 has been over the past year. It’s like any time you see her u see him. And with her background and also what she portrays thru fashion, I just won’t imagine wanting that around but I guess any publicity is good publicity?
I don’t think McQueen and Mowalola are that far off as designers. They are/were both young British designers attempting to bring attention to social issues through hardcore collections with a sexy edge. It’s not the fault of journalists that her work is not cutting it in comparison. Fashion has been “cunty” since it’s inception, being provocative isn’t groundbreaking. I commend her for her world building tho.
I agree that it’s not their fault that her work isn’t cutting it, but i’m saying not many people will ever be as good as mcqueen, so she should stop being held to that type of standard/comparison cuz they’ll never be satisfied and it’s kinda unfair, and due to being able to get away with a lot more nowadays she could possibly end up having a similar effect with way less quality. I also do agree with provocation not automatically being groundbreaking but again, because of where the bar is, people kind of push her over the finish line because they want her to be that supposedly groundbreaking person, all in my opinion
@@Dolcejeanz I don’t know, I think Mowa has the potential to be that great. Sarah Burton continued McQueen’s legacy and has been able to live up to it. Dilara is also a good example. She can be that great, she has an interesting perspective and the clothes aren’t ugly. What’s missing is consistency and a brand philosophy. It falls flat when she tries to say something with a collection; i.e Naomi Campbell bullet dress but then she dates an abuser. I want her to really work on developing her messages and giving us something less obvious than mean girl references and “insert disc here” it’s kinda boring imo
That’s certainly a high ceiling but in this new generation i see how that’s possible, but in terms of her being better at messaging and saying something, i think tasteful execution does come with time but also with more exposure to and understanding of art, good art. And i wonder if she’ll look into more of that in the future. If not, she’ll need a beast design team
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I do think there is some valid criticism of mowalola and designers like her who seem to mostly center shock value and eroticism as the main pillars of their brand. Theres sort of two kinds of fashion people - one group who’s in it for the fun, the vibes, the glamor - and the other who’s more into the intellectual, deep, meaningful side of things. For me the biggest issue I have with mowalola (apart from her r*pist boy toy) is just when people try to project some inflated intellectualism onto the clothes that never pretend to be smart or thought provoking in the first place. That being said there is value in what she does and it certainly does say SOMETHING about where the fashion zeitgeist is atm.
Exactly this, i hope what i was saying in the video sounded at least similar to this😭😭like i wish there wasn’t such a mirage in front of her brand skewing what people think of it
This ain't even shock value it's just trash
"she’s not as elite as other designers but who says she has to be?" period bro.
"period" "bro"
Based in London and I have associates and colleagues that run in the circle that is Mowlola and I feel like you’re definitely right on point of similar to clout chasing era its like party chasing and like a weird sense of missing out on what is fashion now, if your not riding on the wave. She definitely has an influence on the scene and in modern fashion I give her credit for her ability to world build and cultivate a community, but I definitely see how a lot of that community is based on provocativeness and this over high sense of disruption. Overall, I think fashion and its context in eroticism and The cultures that she references are being watered down as time passes, and as the new generation becomes more nihilistic.
Personally I don’t like her I don’t even think she deserves the nuance we give her. She is needlessly problematic, and her space can be filled by someone with a lot more contribute to the space. Kind of a hater take but I do not care😭
Super good video, well structured and you brought up points that expanded my mind. Thank you. Subscribed.
💯
The Ian Connor co-sign, uninspired pieces just using the black is beautiful dean blunt cover, previous accusations of mowalola stealing designs from other artists who aren’t as noticed, the nepo blueprint….. idk man. Idk if mowalola is valid like that
time will reveal
there's a market for controversial garments and there always will be. thats how i see it
yeah u know that "ebony" leather shirt she has, well its from tearsofdreams, he had created it for his own brand and her management team reached out to him a few months ago to try to get permission to use it or something, he said no so she just made her own and sold it with 0 credit. yikes!
This comment is absolutely correct.
to sum it up: either you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain 😂
Shock and eroticism in fashion is not new and that said it's still not mainstream.
I agree
She comes off as a bit slow mentally but her designs are brave and on a different level.
Cus if she in put "wigga" or "white girl" on a leather top like she did with the ebony text nobody would be praising that.
@@dw9524 funny cuz her leather top is stolen from another small brand lol...
@@voidx3204 which brand is it?
@@dw9524 tears of dreams
thank u for being a normal fashion youtuber and not annoying wojak thumbnail fashion youtuber 🙏
YOUR WELCOME
N-I-G-G-A is crazy work!👀😳😕
very tasteless attempts at black celebration and reclaiming power
when I saw it on tumblr I was like this shit is gross…
I like it
@@aieliannatumblr’s still a thing ?
probably a spin on the nigga shirt nas was wearing but idk might b a reach
I think Mowalola is 🔥 but to add to what you’re saying I think what separates her from other established designers is She’s relatively new and hasn’t proven longevity yet. Will her work be timeless? Or is her work something that is good for the moment but will later die down once people start leaning more towards calm casual wear 🤔
hiii great vid! i kinda wanna touch on what you said at the end: you definitely highlighted that individuals can't rly do much with their buying power, but i suspect that despite fashion becoming more democratized even the collective can't do much either if certain brands are being platformed and given the space to grow and thrive through the industry. for one there's always gonna be a gap between consumer knowledge and ability/choice to purchase especially when it comes to luxury in fashion. a significant number of luxury consumers want things purely because of the brand name and aren't going to do further research because the purchases speak for themselves i suppose. willingness to research is 100% part of it but it takes time & effort and folks think clothes are just clothes i guess ... secondly i think people have even less motivation to collectively withdraw financially from something because our standards have been artificially decreased by fast fashion and just a faster lifestyle (consume more, think less). i love what you're proposing: to think more about what we do and what clothes we invest in, so maybe we need a bigger social change overall
sorry this comment got so long, i hope it makes sense!! i learn so much from your vids & insight
I agree with everything you said, the gap between consumer and creator in fashion is something i’ve spoken about before and that’s why a lot of people are buying crap and don’t care because it would actually require them to be a lot more mindful and educated for them to make better purchases and people don’t want to do that. And yes most people buy into status instead of clothing and this has been the way since forever, it’s not necessarily even a good or bad thing it just is how it is in fashion tbh, but when brands are getting status as groundbreaking and subversive for the absolute minimum, and it’s due to the bar being that low, it’s definitely a sign of the times. Thank you for this comment!
ian connor association lmao cmon
That was the nail in the coffin for me and I love what Mowalola represents
sheeps keep hatin on Ian
@@user-ob9zo9cr4c no one is a sheep for not liking a rapist.
@@user-ob9zo9cr4c”sheeps keep hating on serial rapist” 🤯
@@user-ob9zo9cr4c "sheeps" and what makes u so different and special lol...
Keep goin twin
ofc twin thank you
Okay but we’re all saying the same things about Demna. Some of us actually want to wear clothes, not scraps of fabric thrown together for $1000. We can’t use the race card anytime someone critiques a Black artist, especially not when Mowalola clearly doesn’t care about honoring the legacies of historically Black fashion brands like Ebony.
but she stole the leather top design from a small ig brand and there was proof lol
fashion and media speak a lot about being your authentic self and then knock down people for being that, like from coming from a certain kind of background. mowalola is pretty controversial, unlike someone similar in her position such as Martine rose, there's an element of just media and the internet knocking others/overhyping for trying to do something different or even just evolving things that have been done before. Martine rose was ignored for years until Demna and Kanye noticed and had to hustle for years to get noticed and so I think the shock value does work for Mowa's overall brand image and marketing though, I feel like she still does have a lot of good takes to bring to runways.
Yeah i think it’s mainly something we have to watch, all this stuff early on that she’s doing will be viewed as either a benefit or a downfall once her brand has run its course
its hard being black :( in journalism & fashion
yeah is it also hard to not steal multiple designs from smaller ig brands, stop supporting thieves just because they are a certain race.
@@voidx3204 dude.. chill XD but I hear you. people support what they want but we need people talking about wang like that. #realjournalism
I don’t know much about Mowalola, but I hate when people compare different designers without taking into account that every one came from different cultural, social, class, race context and part of their references come from there. It Is like comparing apples with pears. Tho now I’m curious to know more about this designer cause my aesthetic is very Bimbo, Very Cunty, Very Trans 🙂↕️😏🦋
I think she would be right up your avenue tbh :3 Hope that doesn’t come off wrong, and yeah i do feel like there is a level of disdain for what she’s showing on the runway for a certain demographic of people but it’s just very current and people haven’t seen that specific type of expression on a high fashion runway before
U speak my mind brother for the main points
on ur last point about how people should organize collectively to demand more or better etc from the people we engage/consume art from kind of fundamentally misunderstands the ways in which the art that we’re presented with gets to us in the first place. what i mean is you cannot divorce the art/design elements from the very real context of it still being a business in an era of neoliberal capitalism where the vast majority of masses/audiences/consumers of this stuff don’t critically/intentionally engage with the art and their histories in the first place. the people who find themselves wanting better shouldn’t demand ‘better representation’ within the current power structures that (re)produce art and present it to us, they should themselves try to create art for the more engaged people and not for an overarching profit incentive. of course for something like that to sustain itself people would have to be very very organized, mobilized and communicative with each other. it’d be a lot of work
ruclips.net/video/aatYYaYl9jM/видео.htmlsi=LrU6aoD_HlyOcA4f this video (in the context of rap) kinda discusses the pitfalls of demanding better representation while not grasping the larger context in which that representation exists
good job on this video bro. very well planned and informative. keep going bro I see ur vision for ur art.
fye
Goat
bro I swear ur algorithm no different from mine👁️🔺
Nice take I agree fr
Watched this through, I respectfully feel like you’re hating. keep working bro you seem educated
giggle
Reminds me of a modern Nollywood y2k/Nigeria Alté
omg I just saw your about section and I DID watch u whilst I was eating 😮
The prophecy
Too much nudity these last few years. Folks getting lazy!
I didn’t agree with a lot of the takes, but they made lots of sense and were fairly nuanced tbh.
Same
I’d love to hear on what you disagreed with and how, like i guess you think she’s just not good at all
I’m a fan of this video although I’m not as well versed in the topic as yourself my only real criticism would be your failure to articulate exactly what you wanted to come across until the end but aside from that it was pretty good
You know as designers we have design jobs for other companies like theres no “stopping” once you worked placed you have a actual resume and portfolio you will always design ….
People saying she stole designs and yea that sucks but a lot of big designers have been stealing designs. And I don’t just mean reference, but straight up stealing. I think what throws me off about her or the brand the most is how attached Ian33 has been over the past year. It’s like any time you see her u see him. And with her background and also what she portrays thru fashion, I just won’t imagine wanting that around but I guess any publicity is good publicity?
Aint they together tho?
4:24 poor skaiwater indeed
I would’ve loved some fashion notes
And one more for the algo!!
appreciate u as always g
Are you Jamaican? Btw I appreciate your vids
hell yeah born and raised, and thank you so much
Excellent
If you coming from instagram then yk whats going on but we still here gang
great video
Glad you enjoyed it fr
fire
Great video
really great vid!
Ong the glazing be just a lilll😅
(her whole vibe is very Kesh coded imo)
my goat
preciate u twin
My goat dolce jeanz
Back to work
Brennan Jones
#Ew
Is it bad that I’ve never even heard of this brand before? And i know a lot about fashion welp
AT THE END OF THE DAY THE FUTURE IS IN THE KIDS
Nice video
all accurate
Great video tho
great vid
i hate mowalola with a dying passion
good vid
(It matters because I’m trying to know and study almost everything on certain designers)
Is she trans 🏳️⚧️ ?
no, not to my knowledge
@@Dolcejeanz thank you
Omo your 9ja accent dey rush in & out
are you Jamaican?
yeah born and raised
she onto som with the N-I-G-G-A button up I’ll wear that👁️🔺
Oh! well
same
lol she really just steals anything from smaller brands and paste it as her own,
she is the one, stop playing
love colors she using in her stuff
I am not a sheep for hating on Ian Connor 😭
next time put some music on the background!
if your captions aren't accurate, its pointless to have them and also annoying
uh, not really, they’re not that inaccurate mostly, and i think it’s simply better to have them than not have them
@@Dolcejeanz as someone who needs them, I disagree
I don’t think McQueen and Mowalola are that far off as designers. They are/were both young British designers attempting to bring attention to social issues through hardcore collections with a sexy edge. It’s not the fault of journalists that her work is not cutting it in comparison. Fashion has been “cunty” since it’s inception, being provocative isn’t groundbreaking. I commend her for her world building tho.
I agree that it’s not their fault that her work isn’t cutting it, but i’m saying not many people will ever be as good as mcqueen, so she should stop being held to that type of standard/comparison cuz they’ll never be satisfied and it’s kinda unfair, and due to being able to get away with a lot more nowadays she could possibly end up having a similar effect with way less quality. I also do agree with provocation not automatically being groundbreaking but again, because of where the bar is, people kind of push her over the finish line because they want her to be that supposedly groundbreaking person, all in my opinion
@@Dolcejeanz I don’t know, I think Mowa has the potential to be that great. Sarah Burton continued McQueen’s legacy and has been able to live up to it. Dilara is also a good example. She can be that great, she has an interesting perspective and the clothes aren’t ugly. What’s missing is consistency and a brand philosophy. It falls flat when she tries to say something with a collection; i.e Naomi Campbell bullet dress but then she dates an abuser. I want her to really work on developing her messages and giving us something less obvious than mean girl references and “insert disc here” it’s kinda boring imo
That’s certainly a high ceiling but in this new generation i see how that’s possible, but in terms of her being better at messaging and saying something, i think tasteful execution does come with time but also with more exposure to and understanding of art, good art. And i wonder if she’ll look into more of that in the future. If not, she’ll need a beast design team
This is the dumbest comment I have EVER seen
@@brquazliterally
w osbatt
indeed
I would’ve loved some fashion notes
great video