On the phasing through walls thing: Batman Beyond had a villain with a device that let him do that. Eventually, that device started to malfunction, and he couldn't turn it off. He started phasing through the floors of the building while Batman tried to save him before finally phasing through the basement. "Now he'll only stop when he reaches the earth's core." That was a kids' show. On Saturday morning. And they sent someone to physical hell kicking and screaming because that was the logical outcome of that device.
Robert Burnett gave some solid points about this generation of writers. They simply lack what it takes to build worlds and write characters into existence. And unfortunately I don’t see it changing anytime soon given the woke culture within college and universities. They don’t understand what it means to suspend disbelief.
@ Your argument works much better for me. If I have to hear that crap over and over then the last thing I want is some else coming in and doing the same.
@@thisismyname3928 Exactly. I have to record these episodes and forward through his dissertations. And poor Shad. He makes one point but presents it in layers to where he has to be cut off by the others. 9-10 speakers are way too many. I sometimes have to stop listening entirely when they all start to speak over each other and it doesn't stop.
@@majorDT People still talk about TNG episodes from 30 years ago. In 10 years, no one will be discussing a single episode of Picard, including Series 3. Total garbage.
@@aldunlop4622 one fun thing to come out of that series was even AJS giving that one episode a 0/10 because I watched so many reviews to hear the rants. The bad shows introduced me to at least 10 channels I wouldn't have found otherwise. 😂
46:22 Maybe universities have been teaching students to look down on the classics for quite a while. During Jordan Peterson's interview with Paul Rossi, Rossi said when he was a college student, he and other literature majors spent a lot of time deconstructing classic literature as a way to work out their frustration resulting from their inability to be creative. It wouldn't be a surprise if schools are full of those kinds of people teaching our young.
@@kerrylawson7515 Wow, you don't know how happy that makes me to hear! There are so many great classics that all kids should be encouraged to read. Good to see you and your friends taking your own action and not being brainwashed by the modern crap.
When JJ rebooted ST in 2009, he made the spaceship bridges look like the lobby of a 5-star hotel, instead of the tiny bridge from the 1960s using the logic that if technology advanced from now, that's what it'd look like. He completely forgot that in the Star Trek universe, World War 3 happened. Most of the Earth was fucked by nuclear weapons, which is actually what led to everyone working today to create the utopia we see in Star Trek. That's why the ships were primitive in the 1960s Trek, because they actually had to start again.
It's even worse, it's a matter of basic practicality: no "warship" no matter how advanced, affords to waste space by building lavish corridors and spaces. If it doesn't serve a specific purpose you make it the bare minimum because it means less volume and mass to move around and protect (either with armor or shields), easier to access for damage repairs and maintenance. And in that era the Klingon empire was still on a war footing, so none of that "pure exploration starfleet" would fly.
The Mass Effect franchise had a Quantum Entanglement communications system on board the Normandy SR2, originally it was linking the Normandy's main comms directly to the Elusive Man's office, and in 3 it was replaced with one that could communicate both with Earth and with Admiral Hackett's flagship as it was originally meant to be Anderson's flagship in the war with the Reapers.
There's no way Star Trek can be written by young people these days because it's influences are everything they've been taught to hate - pioneers settling the American West, Starfleet is just like the English Navy from the Napoleonic era (or many modern navies), the Age of Discovery (which they now call the Colonial Era) with voyages like Captain Cook on the Endeavour exploring the East Coast of Australia etc. Starfleet was a fleet of ships that explored the universe whilst being armed just in case. It was run on discipline and the chain of command, again which Gen Z have been taught is wrong, it's what Boomers did.
To add more detail: Star Trek is inherently modernist and humanist, birthed from mid century liberal futurism. Contemporary trek attempts are postmodernist and steeped in critical theory and nihilism. It directly impacts the ability to conceive art, which i as a Christian would argue is innately dependent on the notion of absolute goodness , truth and beauty. That's why it doesn't work anymore
The best part of Section 13 in DS9 is you initially weren't even given enough info to know it was really a Starfleet org, a renegade faction, a figment of Sloan's imagination, a figment of Bashir's imagination, or a foreign fake out. Bashir joined because on a certain level, he saw it as a way to pursue a fantasy. He was sought out for membership because they knew he would react that way.
I guess Elon ended up getting the last laugh on Iger! Twitter’s stock value has gone up like 1000% in the last 4 or 5 years, while Disney is fighting off the pissed off shareholders on a regular basis. Plus the cherry on top, Elon is part of the presidency that is smothering Bob’s precious DEI bs! I’m not even a huge fan of Elon but I’m LOVING the humble pie he’s served Iger on a personal level.
That Yellow Snow and Simple Jeremy intro was hilarious and top quality. Lol How did they not even acknowledge it from the start? I guess because they were able to communicate backstage. Would've love to have heard their reactions to it, though I understand why they're muted from the audience during it.
That was one of the neatest things about Star Blazers 2199 indeed. I had such a huge grin on my face when they looked back on a pre-ravaged Earth as they were travelling away from it. I thought that was a brilliant scene.
Buffy and Angel were more than their quippy one-liners. Hush, and The Body, for example, were exceptional episodes. Writers and directors nowadays can only dream of writing and directing such quality shows because they don’t understand what made them great (it wasn’t just fun dialogue). Angel considered questions such as pacifism (Lorne), and whether aligning with the enemy to try to do some good from within, is morally right; intelligent concepts with engaging writing that entertains viewers and helps them understand these ideas.
@1:25:19 Robert unironically talking about why writers these days have their jobs to pander to the modern audience. They have to write about things that relate to the real world and what the "modern audience" knows. So.. bad bitch women, catchy quips, the patriarchy, bad white men, commentary on colonialism and racism... all the crap that modern day leftists are complaining about or focused on today is exactly what the writers are doing.
Yep, that's why I commented earlier that they can't write Star Trek, because it draws inspiration from The Age of Discovery (Captain Cook and the others) which they now call the Colonial Era, which they have been brainwashed about.
Deep Space Nine was "Socially Aware" and it was an excellent show because all of the characters had real personality, real character arcs, and real relatability. Modern Trek writers compare Discovery to DS9 and say "We're the same, why don't you like ours? We have the same diverse casting boxes checked." The difference is DS9 characteristics weren't only surface level and the writers knew how to write an intriguing story and deep characters.
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It also delved into the darker stuff like Section 31 but didn't undermine the core of Trek.
Cisco was my favorite Captain by far. Picard Kurt and Janeway all experienced true hatred towards something's got to experience true hatred causing them to straddle their moral lines considering going over them. Cisco experienced true betrayal causing him to shift his moral line. Social awareness that he first time I truly experienced what racism was. I was 10 I was raised to treat others as you want to be treated it never judge a book by its cover. But I had no concept of racism. my two only friends were Haitians. The fact that I was white and they were black didn't even come into my mind wasn't even consideration. But then I saw Cisco being treated like that and man I was pissed off man. I was yelling at the screen. Even the people that were supportive of Cisco and knew it was wrong how he was treated. They Didn't even challenge this absolute ignorant foolishness of this and just accepted it. They were worse than the actual bad guys. They were cowards.
To be fair, TNG had an episode "The Next Phase" where two crewmembers are phased out of normal reality, can go through walls, breathe, and not go through the floor for reasons that are not really justified. TOS had Kirk phased out in similar fashion but they put him in a space suit with self contained air supply.
@@aldunlop4622The episode was about Ro Laren contemplating whether they're dead (Geordi didn't believe so, there's conflict). The choices she's made and what people think of her when they're gone. I'm sorry you were too stupid to understand what's on screen
@@aldunlop4622The episode was about Ro Laren contemplating whether they're dead (Geordi didn't believe so, there's conflict). The choices she's made and what people think of her when they're gone. I'm sorry you were too stupid to understand what's on screen
@@GH-ub7qz To be fair, they're on a spaceship with artificial gravity and inertial dampeners. "They don't fall through the floor because they can't phase through the grav plating." is as good an explanation as any for why they can still walk around.
I'm not very knowledgeable about the Star Trek universe but two books are absolutely cannon to me: Spock's World The Romulan Way I've read these many times!
We have soo many stories to tell about the last 10 years. Each one of us has had our worlds flipped over and we all have different levels of stories about our lives.
They'll come out in time. I'm inspired to do a catch-22 inspired satire of the 2010s but someone else may beat me timo it, i haven't put pen to paper yet
The scenes Gary doesn't remember in _Austin Powers_ are deleted scenes. They are on my DVD in the bonus features. It seems like someone edited them back into the movie. Frankly, the movie that needs this the most is _Mystery Men._ It has some fantastic cut scenes that flesh out the characters.
No Gary, you're not losing it just yet - the Austin Powers scenes where it cuts to the henchman's family / birthday gathering were cut from US release because it was deemed too dark. I know this after watching a US version and being pissed that they weren't there!
My wife just started watching TOS last year or so, she expected it to be hokey and dumb, and she didn't find it that way at all. She said that the writing and everything about it held up very well, even if the special effects didn't. It isn't hokey and dumb. The people finding TOS hokey and lame aren't paying attention to the actual story.
I only saw TOS after TNG and DS9 maybe 15-20 years ago. Yes the effects are basic (even on the remastered version) but the stories and characters carry that show hard. I suspect anyone seeing STD today would be amazed how much better TOS actually is.
@ If you like trek i guarantee 3 episodes in you will be hooked. The Kirk / Bones / Spock dynamic is just that good. The one season of TAS (kind of a season 4 of TOS) is not too bad either and the movies are worth just for the Enterprise shots alone (even though the general rule is somewhat miss / hit / miss in terms of story :) ).
Really appreciate the talk of writers in decades past, absolutely spot on. I remember growing up at the barbershop and the twilight zone would come on, and like Gary had no idea what was going on but the depth, unsettling feeling of the plot stick out, and I knew a lot of craft, experience and knowledge had gone into it. Spot on guys, great convo 👍🏽 nowadays every writer gets their cues from simple Jeremy 😂
Me: Looks at how long the Section 31 discussion is. 😬 Usually I have a vague understanding about most properties they discuss, but I have basically zero knowledge of Star Trek. This is going to be a very difficult one for me to power through, as I probably won't be able to follow the conversation at all.
College's and public schools are hurting kids they are teaching writers and the rest to be hapless activist Simpletons. They dont encourage reading and writing which makes a great leader as well as a writer. The repetitive nature of writing and constantly rereading and editing is what makes a great writer The first movies Chris pine did I liked, the only miss they did was cross up spocks and ohuras characters and mess up the journey of kirk. He seemed like he would never become himself the kirk we know the leader we know. But if they brought him back it would have been perfect. Only trump has made the connection because he's normal. He's actually saying things to help people. Look at baltimore/Chicago/California/Washington DC or any area dems infest. It's a death pot for everyone but the elite they choose. Anyone could turn those areas around comunism socialism democrat policy is what is killing the area. Even me if given 3 years could turn around California or Baltimore if given the chance. What trump did was finially been frank and brought his message directly to the people calling out the fake news and Hollywood propaganda machine for the democratic party. Trump was the reason Hollywood hit the gas ⛽️ steered strait for the wall. They wanted to combat trump after he won. Even family guy creator said they blamed him for trumps election because of family guys Peter griffin. Be honest tell it like it is and keep your name clean from being paid off. Because that's what's coming next those dems will pay or defame you to muddy the waters
I tend to believe that the people making shows today can't tell the difference between good and bad. I heard about an AI that was trained by the military to see tanks in pictures. Instead, it learned to see cloudy days. I think that's what's happening here. What they think is good and bad is entirely disconnected from reality and the rest of us. People who can't tell the difference between good and bad are not capable of making something good except by accident. And even then, they can't explain what made it good or replicate it.
"Far-Outside Federation Space" Glad they narrowed that down. I can now safely assume it's not in 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe.
14:00 -> 15:00 30 section 31 20:00 20 who watches it 28:00 -> 29:00 33:00 Cicero‼️[was and always will be good philosopher] ->>> 43:00 -> 44:50 ‼️ different times (the struggle of those people who made amazing stories) 48:00 LOTR 58:00 -> 59:00 fiction telling 1:16:00 1:23:00 40 star wars -> 1:25:00 1:27:00 30 lies -> 1:28:00 budget 1:31:18 Lies from Marvel and Media -> 1:31:45 1:32:50 😅 -> 1:33:59 -> 1:35:10 What they paid for -> 1:37:11 Chris Evans as Steve Rogers people will go and watch it. This movie is something people will skip. 1:39:10 lost the foundations will add the faith in god the roots that's why can't do anything good 1:40:10 regulations lift up 30 Russo brothers about to bank💲💲💲💲 really good. 1:42:00 -> 1:58:10 20 books 30 1:59:30 Odin 2:00:45 oh King again don't like him personally 2:01:10 A lot of stuff coming 30 older than Gary 2:03:00 article
Please, I beg you, can ANYONE else read the articles? PLEASE! Hearing Gary read makes it sound like he's a 5 year old inner-city child learning what phonics are.
1:13:46 this reminds me of Red vs Blue when the characters go forward in time because a bomb blew up and they were “luckily facing forward”. “Of course we were facing forward, what other direction can we face?” “That’s why I said luckily”
One of the things we don't get these days is the build to the commercial break. Now we get a flat run from start to finish and we aren't getting those hooks to keep us from switching the channels. What that means to the youngins is.... there isn't a pace or tempo the show can set itself to that helps guide the story telling.
Next Gen had a phase change issue too with a Romulan and La Forge, called the "Next Phase"? 5x24. They walked on floors but could phase through walls. One argument is how do they breathe?
Shouldn’t the SEC be getting involved with the false reporting of financial data regarding movies? Regardless of whether it’s the movie company or the publicist, I mean journalist, someone in the equation is misleading investors and potential investors regarding financial data connected to publicly traded companies. That is against the law on its face and potentially a RICO level law violation depending on how much commingling is taking place.
Well, they're doing it through propaganda. That's why corporations buy news outlets. I don't know, though. Are they telling lies when talking to investors? That would be illegal. I would imagine they don't actually say because investors need to know earnings for the company. The weird way Hollywood creates individual businesses for each movie makes it a bit murky I would guess as to what they have to tell them about individual productions. So they can manipulate what they legally have to say. To some extent. But, just guessing.
@PrinceValium_TheRestlessKnight Well, Gary knows absolutely nothing about science and loves conspiracies theories, so I thought he was going to say some crazy shit that made me groan.
1:28:00 - "...the movie stays away from sci-fi elements..." There is a man with a jet pack & robot wings flying around, he carries a shield made out of an indestructible metal and the villain instantly doubles in size, turns red and has superhuman strength and resistance to harm.
Why is overall writing quality in Hollywood bad? Take a great sports league, any will do, triple the number of teams and force hiring through identity politics. The talent is watered down in any case, but in this case it’s watered down by those who aren’t even mediocre in a traditional sense.
38:43 The usual space-magic answer for that kind of thing tends to be "quantum entanglement", when the writers at least try to explain it. 42:20 To be fair the original Death Star firing a laser at a planet and blowing it up like a piñata stuffed with dynamite is kinda dumb, too. But at least that was something new back in the 70s.
I wish people cared about power levels more. It takes exatons of energy to blow up a planet like that, or more orders of magnitude greater than our biggest nuke than that nuke is greater than a gram of sugar in energy release.
28:39 "Fan of shhh por", what Gary?😅 Oh, "S H I P", you mean ship. My bad.Gary comes up to Robert drunk, puts his arm around him like chums, "I have an embarrassing fun fact to tell about us. We like shhh por", and Robert is like, "no I don't."😅
I have to go out on a limb and disagree with the great RMB: it's not that the corporate overlords "don't know the difference," it's that the "overlords" aren't the Boards anymore, but rather the mega asset managements companies like State Street and Blackrock. Members of the board used to pay attention and care because they had a literal stake in the success of the company, now, take Disney as a prime example, the board members don't own that many shares, relatively speaking, while asset managers own hundreds of millions if not billions. Making matters worse, these real overlords manage trillions in total assets so they can subsidize failures like Disney and keep them afloat and limping along as husks of what they used to be.
Whenever I see these shows like Modern Trek with "writers" that just copy little bits and pieces of 'memberberries and then fill in their bad Fan-Fiction in the spaces between, I immediately think of high school bullshit papers were where we'd just write gobbledygook at the last minute after procrastinating and using a couple of out of context references to meet the teacher's requirements on the paper. They make no sense and they prove the writer doesn't know what the references even mean because they stopped reading after finding something that they can manipulate.
The best thing about this weeks episode, no comix division. I used to look forward to FNT all week, now, not so much. I don’t know what it is, but something has changed, and it really needs some new people. Chrissie, Comix, Shad and Odin I can do without.
The stakes of S13 missions are meant to be small, but tie into larger developments. That's how they can break moral laws of the primary Federation without sullying it. If S13 is doing big things amorally, that just means the Federation is amoral. Plot should have been about assassinations, heists, putting down rogue S13 agents, and sacrificing good S13 agents in anonymity.
Technology in scifi should inspire people to make it happen... We have cell phones and tablets because of star trek. What futuristic tech from these garbage show will inspire the youth to make it a reality?
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Watching this after seeing a new song out by an Australian artist called Kevin Bloody Wilson, the song is titled Common Sense. Yeah I think it is fitting for all western nations currently, because it calls out PC bullshit.
RMB points out the writers of S31 have a junior school understanding ( which is none at all) of distance mathematics with his STD red beacons example ...and yet in old Dr Who in the story Pyramids of Mars the doctor is able to stop the bad guy due to the time it takes for a radio signal to travel from Mars to Earth ....and that was a programme aimed at the age group RMB was using in his explanation as the level of writing skill for S31 ...older TV shows reacted to their audiences with an expectation of taking onboard facts in everyday evidence and getting to grips how things worked ... modern writing seems to only require that a thing works and not how it works
This default praise everyone gives Michelle Yeoh is as tedious as it is with Stellan Skarsgard and Tilda Swinton. They play the same note with every performance, and that note is never particularly interesting. It is this penomenon with white people who heap praise on that particularly weird person out of guilt for finding them weird or unpleasant. Michelle Yeoh is worse, however. Her line deliveries suck. She's never been good in anything.
Agree - Everything Everywhere etc was just tedious and repetative after the first instance of each of the INFINITE possibilities. Certainly didn't deserve an oscar for it, but at least she's an actual woman winning best actress so that's something!
1) How would they plant their doomsday McGuffin in the middle of a quadrant? Federation Space being at the boarder of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, they don't have the technology to reach the center of any quadrant for decades. 2) If the Terran Empire's motivation is they are out of resources, what resources are they planning to use for their invasion? Attempts to invade people with significant material advantage doesn't tend to go well. 3) How does one even exhaust the resources of A GALAXY? Federation, and thus presumably, Terran Imperial Space is only a tiny portion of the Milky Way. Why aren't they looking to their own reality for resources? (Not that I believe for a moment they could have even exhausted the resources of Federation Space) 4) If this is, as we've been told, set in the TNG timeframe, then that creates the small problem that the Terran Empire of the Mirror Universe DOES NOT EXIST! It was overthrown. That was hinted to be it's inevitable fate in TOS and confirmed multiple times in DS9.
RMB is a great guest.
I love it when he's on streams.
On the phasing through walls thing: Batman Beyond had a villain with a device that let him do that. Eventually, that device started to malfunction, and he couldn't turn it off. He started phasing through the floors of the building while Batman tried to save him before finally phasing through the basement. "Now he'll only stop when he reaches the earth's core."
That was a kids' show. On Saturday morning. And they sent someone to physical hell kicking and screaming because that was the logical outcome of that device.
Dude, that show had other nightmare fuel episodes as well.
Damn good show.
Don't drop your lightsaber in the vertical down position
Good times.
Batman Beyond is such an amazing show
Word. Batman Beyond was a great animated series and comic series. Also it has a fun game on N64.
Robert Burnett gave some solid points about this generation of writers. They simply lack what it takes to build worlds and write characters into existence. And unfortunately I don’t see it changing anytime soon given the woke culture within college and universities. They don’t understand what it means to suspend disbelief.
It's because they are all DEI hires. Has nothing to do with writers in general
They're basically writing fanfic off the back of Jar Jars Star Trek.
And once the good writers and good teachers of writing die off, I can't imagine how we can ever recover and restore it.
@@lynz223What is sad is I have fan fiction far better than what these "professionals" are doing.
Dude that profile pic! Lmao I would use that for everything!!
This whole episode should be mandatory on every media studies course. They'd actually learn something. Excellent as always, Fellowship! 👏👏
Robert Meyer Burnett is a fucking treasure. I thoroughly enjoy the discourse each and every time he’s on FNT.
...But a crappy guest. Toooo long-winded.
@@thisismyname3928 This is a show where 75% of it is the same repeated conversation each week... for years now. Let's not get too high and mighty.
@ Your argument works much better for me. If I have to hear that crap over and over then the last thing I want is some else coming in and doing the same.
@@thisismyname3928 Exactly. I have to record these episodes and forward through his dissertations. And poor Shad. He makes one point but presents it in layers to where he has to be cut off by the others. 9-10 speakers are way too many. I sometimes have to stop listening entirely when they all start to speak over each other and it doesn't stop.
nah he's too woke, he tolerates these guys but he isnt like us
This guy Robert’s insight is really really really good. Please have this guy on… always.
I could watch RMB and Gary geek out over Star Trek for 10 hours. Make it so #1.
Same here, and I wish I could be on the panel for that. I LOVE Star Trek.
Engage
Yeah until they talk about Picard season 3. WTF.
@@majorDT People still talk about TNG episodes from 30 years ago. In 10 years, no one will be discussing a single episode of Picard, including Series 3. Total garbage.
@@aldunlop4622 one fun thing to come out of that series was even AJS giving that one episode a 0/10 because I watched so many reviews to hear the rants. The bad shows introduced me to at least 10 channels I wouldn't have found otherwise. 😂
46:22 Maybe universities have been teaching students to look down on the classics for quite a while. During Jordan Peterson's interview with Paul Rossi, Rossi said when he was a college student, he and other literature majors spent a lot of time deconstructing classic literature as a way to work out their frustration resulting from their inability to be creative. It wouldn't be a surprise if schools are full of those kinds of people teaching our young.
I read that as Paul Tassi at first, and I was ready to unload lol.
My group spent time digging up the former required reading lists from the 50s. Because we didn't want to be ignorant assholes.
@@kerrylawson7515 Wow, you don't know how happy that makes me to hear! There are so many great classics that all kids should be encouraged to read. Good to see you and your friends taking your own action and not being brainwashed by the modern crap.
@@kerrylawson7515 A great classic sci-fi is The forever war. It actually touches on things that are very relevant today.
This stuff has been building longer than anyone knows
When JJ rebooted ST in 2009, he made the spaceship bridges look like the lobby of a 5-star hotel, instead of the tiny bridge from the 1960s using the logic that if technology advanced from now, that's what it'd look like. He completely forgot that in the Star Trek universe, World War 3 happened. Most of the Earth was fucked by nuclear weapons, which is actually what led to everyone working today to create the utopia we see in Star Trek. That's why the ships were primitive in the 1960s Trek, because they actually had to start again.
It's even worse, it's a matter of basic practicality: no "warship" no matter how advanced, affords to waste space by building lavish corridors and spaces. If it doesn't serve a specific purpose you make it the bare minimum because it means less volume and mass to move around and protect (either with armor or shields), easier to access for damage repairs and maintenance. And in that era the Klingon empire was still on a war footing, so none of that "pure exploration starfleet" would fly.
@@gusty9053 All of JJ works have aged badly because of those kinds of things.
The Mass Effect franchise had a Quantum Entanglement communications system on board the Normandy SR2, originally it was linking the Normandy's main comms directly to the Elusive Man's office, and in 3 it was replaced with one that could communicate both with Earth and with Admiral Hackett's flagship as it was originally meant to be Anderson's flagship in the war with the Reapers.
There's no way Star Trek can be written by young people these days because it's influences are everything they've been taught to hate - pioneers settling the American West, Starfleet is just like the English Navy from the Napoleonic era (or many modern navies), the Age of Discovery (which they now call the Colonial Era) with voyages like Captain Cook on the Endeavour exploring the East Coast of Australia etc. Starfleet was a fleet of ships that explored the universe whilst being armed just in case. It was run on discipline and the chain of command, again which Gen Z have been taught is wrong, it's what Boomers did.
yeah none of the post 2004 crew characters would survive in starfleet academy
To add more detail: Star Trek is inherently modernist and humanist, birthed from mid century liberal futurism. Contemporary trek attempts are postmodernist and steeped in critical theory and nihilism. It directly impacts the ability to conceive art, which i as a Christian would argue is innately dependent on the notion of absolute goodness , truth and beauty. That's why it doesn't work anymore
The best part of Section 13 in DS9 is you initially weren't even given enough info to know it was really a Starfleet org, a renegade faction, a figment of Sloan's imagination, a figment of Bashir's imagination, or a foreign fake out. Bashir joined because on a certain level, he saw it as a way to pursue a fantasy. He was sought out for membership because they knew he would react that way.
I guess Elon ended up getting the last laugh on Iger!
Twitter’s stock value has gone up like 1000% in the last 4 or 5 years, while Disney is fighting off the pissed off shareholders on a regular basis.
Plus the cherry on top, Elon is part of the presidency that is smothering Bob’s precious DEI bs!
I’m not even a huge fan of Elon but I’m LOVING the humble pie he’s served Iger on a personal level.
I stay skeptical of Elon, but at least he's openly doing all of this rather than Zucc or Dorsey who did what they did hoping no one would see.
That Yellow Snow and Simple Jeremy intro was hilarious and top quality. Lol
How did they not even acknowledge it from the start? I guess because they were able to communicate backstage. Would've love to have heard their reactions to it, though I understand why they're muted from the audience during it.
Robert is a fantastic guest 🎉
I am 62 and I haven't been interested in ANY Star Trek iteration for a quarter of a century.
enterprise was alright
Sucks to be you I guess
@@FireRising86 It sucks to be anyone who "thinks" that Star Trek has been moving forward in the past couple of decades.
Best i can do is a fifth of a century
@@cosmictreason2242 Truthfully, that's probably where I am too. The whole 1/4 of a century is a guess, and it sounded good.
Star Trek Into Irrelevancy
I’ve spent a lot time on RUclips and you sir have one the best usernames on the platform and that’s a fact! 😂
Here they are again: "The International Society of Magical Nerdoes."
The ism. lol
Can you imagine if 60s Star Trek was all “Groovy Baby ! It’s something other than else” let’s GO-Go Heavy man ???
That was one of the neatest things about Star Blazers 2199 indeed. I had such a huge grin on my face when they looked back on a pre-ravaged Earth as they were travelling away from it. I thought that was a brilliant scene.
Buffy and Angel were more than their quippy one-liners. Hush, and The Body, for example, were exceptional episodes. Writers and directors nowadays can only dream of writing and directing such quality shows because they don’t understand what made them great (it wasn’t just fun dialogue). Angel considered questions such as pacifism (Lorne), and whether aligning with the enemy to try to do some good from within, is morally right; intelligent concepts with engaging writing that entertains viewers and helps them understand these ideas.
Disney Star Wars taught me, the old stuff had wit. Now they just have jokes.
That’s a really good way of putting it.
After every time Disparu laughs he should say “YEAH BABY!” (Austin Powers)
@1:25:19 Robert unironically talking about why writers these days have their jobs to pander to the modern audience. They have to write about things that relate to the real world and what the "modern audience" knows. So.. bad bitch women, catchy quips, the patriarchy, bad white men, commentary on colonialism and racism... all the crap that modern day leftists are complaining about or focused on today is exactly what the writers are doing.
Yep, that's why I commented earlier that they can't write Star Trek, because it draws inspiration from The Age of Discovery (Captain Cook and the others) which they now call the Colonial Era, which they have been brainwashed about.
Man I'd sure like to see some good Patriarchy stories. That's one thing they're definitely not doing
Deep Space Nine was "Socially Aware" and it was an excellent show because all of the characters had real personality, real character arcs, and real relatability. Modern Trek writers compare Discovery to DS9 and say "We're the same, why don't you like ours? We have the same diverse casting boxes checked." The difference is DS9 characteristics weren't only surface level and the writers knew how to write an intriguing story and deep characters.
It also delved into the darker stuff like Section 31 but didn't undermine the core of Trek.
Ds9 is no B5 though.
Cisco was my favorite Captain by far. Picard Kurt and Janeway all experienced true hatred towards something's got to experience true hatred causing them to straddle their moral lines considering going over them.
Cisco experienced true betrayal causing him to shift his moral line. Social awareness that he first time I truly experienced what racism was.
I was 10 I was raised to treat others as you want to be treated it never judge a book by its cover. But I had no concept of racism. my two only friends were Haitians. The fact that I was white and they were black didn't even come into my mind wasn't even consideration.
But then I saw Cisco being treated like that and man I was pissed off man. I was yelling at the screen. Even the people that were supportive of Cisco and knew it was wrong how he was treated.
They Didn't even challenge this absolute ignorant foolishness of this and just accepted it. They were worse than the actual bad guys. They were cowards.
There might have been "representation" Reasons in the background of some decisions but it wasn't a blanket corporate policy
it challenged not undermined
When Disney/Marvel needs to hide or lie about movie profits it really says a lot
I really liked Sam as Falcon. Great character and character development. But then this?? Ugh. Bucky should be Captain America.
To be fair, TNG had an episode "The Next Phase" where two crewmembers are phased out of normal reality, can go through walls, breathe, and not go through the floor for reasons that are not really justified. TOS had Kirk phased out in similar fashion but they put him in a space suit with self contained air supply.
Yeah, and they were stupid, not a lesson to be learned. "oh, they did a stupid episode, let's follow their example"?!?
had special double phase carpet...
@@aldunlop4622The episode was about Ro Laren contemplating whether they're dead (Geordi didn't believe so, there's conflict). The choices she's made and what people think of her when they're gone. I'm sorry you were too stupid to understand what's on screen
@@aldunlop4622The episode was about Ro Laren contemplating whether they're dead (Geordi didn't believe so, there's conflict). The choices she's made and what people think of her when they're gone. I'm sorry you were too stupid to understand what's on screen
@@GH-ub7qz To be fair, they're on a spaceship with artificial gravity and inertial dampeners. "They don't fall through the floor because they can't phase through the grav plating." is as good an explanation as any for why they can still walk around.
I'm not very knowledgeable about the Star Trek universe but two books are absolutely cannon to me:
Spock's World
The Romulan Way
I've read these many times!
We have soo many stories to tell about the last 10 years. Each one of us has had our worlds flipped over and we all have different levels of stories about our lives.
So true
They'll come out in time. I'm inspired to do a catch-22 inspired satire of the 2010s but someone else may beat me timo it, i haven't put pen to paper yet
I miss the old, old start time. When was that, 2 years ago?
The scenes Gary doesn't remember in _Austin Powers_ are deleted scenes. They are on my DVD in the bonus features. It seems like someone edited them back into the movie.
Frankly, the movie that needs this the most is _Mystery Men._ It has some fantastic cut scenes that flesh out the characters.
12:19 "The her-story of STD is a series that flared up", hahah😂
Imagine thinking the corporate news outlets were bastions of journalistic integrity! 🤣🤣🤣
Gary is my Hollywood reporter.
13:00 "Guys, this is a nerd conversation that can last 2 hours but I don't give a", haha😂
To the tune of:
Video killed the Radio Star,
Hollywood Lost the Culture War YEAH!
Not yet
Nah they already won and we are living in the aftermath
@ nope they are already doubling down
Gary's browsing history has "Two K'Tingas, One Cup"?
Lol Shad getting talked over more rhan usual ;)
Just as long as he doesn't get louder
@@UlmoIsGod
With Crowder.
Idd
Dog crap right.
I couldnt tell if it was gary or if i was having a stroke but good greif that article
Gary, did you read this beforehand? 😂😂😂
No Gary, you're not losing it just yet - the Austin Powers scenes where it cuts to the henchman's family / birthday gathering were cut from US release because it was deemed too dark.
I know this after watching a US version and being pissed that they weren't there!
22:30 That was an iconic episode, it was brilliant.
Only people as old as Gary and Robert are fans of Star Trek, I fear the same thing is gonna happen to Star Wars
It already has
No need to fear. It was going to happen regardless.
Going to happen???
@@SiriusSphynx NOOOOOO 😭
@@Will-m4s NOOOOOO 😭
41:51 I'm currently watching the remake of Starblazer and looking back at Earth's past from afar was indeed a cool moment.
Picard is also in Excalibur as well as Dune and Star Trek 😮😂
wasn't he Guinevere s father?
Don't forget Robin Hood Men in tights King Richard the lionheart
He was also the villain in Conspiracy Theory.
Rhetorical films make people think : Hollywood doesn't want an audience of "thinker's' only
Those who "obey"
My wife just started watching TOS last year or so, she expected it to be hokey and dumb, and she didn't find it that way at all. She said that the writing and everything about it held up very well, even if the special effects didn't. It isn't hokey and dumb. The people finding TOS hokey and lame aren't paying attention to the actual story.
I only saw TOS after TNG and DS9 maybe 15-20 years ago. Yes the effects are basic (even on the remastered version) but the stories and characters carry that show hard. I suspect anyone seeing STD today would be amazed how much better TOS actually is.
@@gusty9053tos is the last original trek series i haven't gotten to yet. Making me think about it
@ If you like trek i guarantee 3 episodes in you will be hooked. The Kirk / Bones / Spock dynamic is just that good. The one season of TAS (kind of a season 4 of TOS) is not too bad either and the movies are worth just for the Enterprise shots alone (even though the general rule is somewhat miss / hit / miss in terms of story :) ).
@@gusty9053 My wife watched TAS too immediately after TOS.
RMB is so enjoyable to listen to. He is one of my all time favorite elderly lesbians.
*Chris Gore sheds a tear*
Really appreciate the talk of writers in decades past, absolutely spot on. I remember growing up at the barbershop and the twilight zone would come on, and like Gary had no idea what was going on but the depth, unsettling feeling of the plot stick out, and I knew a lot of craft, experience and knowledge had gone into it. Spot on guys, great convo 👍🏽 nowadays every writer gets their cues from simple Jeremy 😂
This is one of the best channels on RUclips. Of course, some emotional humans will disagree.
TERRANCE OUT
Me: Looks at how long the Section 31 discussion is. 😬
Usually I have a vague understanding about most properties they discuss, but I have basically zero knowledge of Star Trek. This is going to be a very difficult one for me to power through, as I probably won't be able to follow the conversation at all.
Great show, guys! RMB is always a wonderful guest. RIP to the old Outro.
Diversity hires+D.E.I.= Didn't. Earn. IT.
College's and public schools are hurting kids they are teaching writers and the rest to be hapless activist Simpletons. They dont encourage reading and writing which makes a great leader as well as a writer. The repetitive nature of writing and constantly rereading and editing is what makes a great writer
The first movies Chris pine did I liked, the only miss they did was cross up spocks and ohuras characters and mess up the journey of kirk. He seemed like he would never become himself the kirk we know the leader we know. But if they brought him back it would have been perfect.
Only trump has made the connection because he's normal. He's actually saying things to help people. Look at baltimore/Chicago/California/Washington DC or any area dems infest. It's a death pot for everyone but the elite they choose. Anyone could turn those areas around comunism socialism democrat policy is what is killing the area. Even me if given 3 years could turn around California or Baltimore if given the chance.
What trump did was finially been frank and brought his message directly to the people calling out the fake news and Hollywood propaganda machine for the democratic party. Trump was the reason Hollywood hit the gas ⛽️ steered strait for the wall. They wanted to combat trump after he won. Even family guy creator said they blamed him for trumps election because of family guys Peter griffin.
Be honest tell it like it is and keep your name clean from being paid off. Because that's what's coming next those dems will pay or defame you to muddy the waters
The intros get better & better! There isn't one so far that didn't make me laugh to some degree;)
I tend to believe that the people making shows today can't tell the difference between good and bad. I heard about an AI that was trained by the military to see tanks in pictures. Instead, it learned to see cloudy days. I think that's what's happening here. What they think is good and bad is entirely disconnected from reality and the rest of us.
People who can't tell the difference between good and bad are not capable of making something good except by accident. And even then, they can't explain what made it good or replicate it.
But guy's IT'S INTERSECTIONAL!!!😂😂😂
"Far-Outside Federation Space"
Glad they narrowed that down. I can now safely assume it's not in 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe.
Personally I'm an outer limits fan from the 90s. The best what if.
14:00 -> 15:00 30 section 31
20:00 20 who watches it
28:00 -> 29:00
33:00 Cicero‼️[was and always will be good philosopher] ->>>
43:00 -> 44:50 ‼️ different times (the struggle of those people who made amazing stories)
48:00 LOTR
58:00 -> 59:00 fiction telling
1:16:00
1:23:00 40 star wars -> 1:25:00
1:27:00 30 lies -> 1:28:00 budget
1:31:18 Lies from Marvel and Media -> 1:31:45 1:32:50 😅 -> 1:33:59 -> 1:35:10 What they paid for -> 1:37:11 Chris Evans as Steve Rogers people will go and watch it. This movie is something people will skip.
1:39:10 lost the foundations will add the faith in god the roots that's why can't do anything good
1:40:10 regulations lift up 30 Russo brothers about to bank💲💲💲💲 really good.
1:42:00 -> 1:58:10 20 books 30 1:59:30 Odin
2:00:45 oh King again don't like him personally 2:01:10 A lot of stuff coming 30 older than Gary
2:03:00 article
Section 31 is the typical NuTrek trash (Pitard Season 3 included)
Well, we agree on something! P3 was just as bad as the rest.
Please, I beg you, can ANYONE else read the articles? PLEASE! Hearing Gary read makes it sound like he's a 5 year old inner-city child learning what phonics are.
I'll have you know Gary is a 5 year old inner city kid but he was not in school when they taught that subject😢 it's part of his charm 😊
Give him one day at a time to learn now lol.
Progress - not perfection! He'll only improve if he practices....lol yeah right...
It’s so fucking painful
😂
You can tell the people who made it hate Startrek's fans.
PLEASE come to the UK for a meet up!! 🙏
They came last year.
yellow snow and simple jeremy soo good Piery 🤣
RMB and Gary should make a Star Trek podcast
1:13:46 this reminds me of Red vs Blue when the characters go forward in time because a bomb blew up and they were “luckily facing forward”.
“Of course we were facing forward, what other direction can we face?”
“That’s why I said luckily”
One of the things we don't get these days is the build to the commercial break. Now we get a flat run from start to finish and we aren't getting those hooks to keep us from switching the channels.
What that means to the youngins is.... there isn't a pace or tempo the show can set itself to that helps guide the story telling.
Next Gen had a phase change issue too with a Romulan and La Forge, called the "Next Phase"? 5x24. They walked on floors but could phase through walls. One argument is how do they breathe?
I tried to watch Section 31. It was so bad I couldn't finish it.
Everyone involved in woke Hollywood must never be involved in any entertainment again.
"No-one watches movies any more". Last night I watched Gattaca, Oblivion, Interstellar, and Inception back-to-back. Nowt wrong with my attention span.
Damn! How many times did you need the bathroom, though?!
Robert is really wise.
Shouldn’t the SEC be getting involved with the false reporting of financial data regarding movies?
Regardless of whether it’s the movie company or the publicist, I mean journalist, someone in the equation is misleading investors and potential investors regarding financial data connected to publicly traded companies. That is against the law on its face and potentially a RICO level law violation depending on how much commingling is taking place.
Well, they're doing it through propaganda. That's why corporations buy news outlets.
I don't know, though. Are they telling lies when talking to investors? That would be illegal. I would imagine they don't actually say because investors need to know earnings for the company. The weird way Hollywood creates individual businesses for each movie makes it a bit murky I would guess as to what they have to tell them about individual productions. So they can manipulate what they legally have to say. To some extent.
But, just guessing.
RMB: Intelligent & Engaging!
With great wokeness comes great course correction.
You almost said brokeness but hesitated
When Gary said they covered quantum science on Forbidden Frontier, as a scientist I gritted my teeth for what was about to come.
Same….
its pretend science for them
Why, what happened?
@PrinceValium_TheRestlessKnight Well, Gary knows absolutely nothing about science and loves conspiracies theories, so I thought he was going to say some crazy shit that made me groan.
Cry harder
1:28:00 - "...the movie stays away from sci-fi elements..." There is a man with a jet pack & robot wings flying around, he carries a shield made out of an indestructible metal and the villain instantly doubles in size, turns red and has superhuman strength and resistance to harm.
They probably mean the setting then ?🤷♂️
@@cosmictreason2242 They are still in the setting with aliens, magic and made-up technology & pharmaceuticals.
@@cosmictreason2242 The setting argument also becomes BS when there’s a part of the movie that takes place by the frozen Celestial in the ocean.
@@jaybling6687 lol i see. Haven't watched the stream yet so i didn't have more context
@@cosmictreason2242 He was referring to a line in the Hollywood Reporter article about the budget.
I'm surprised in the discussion about time and distance nobody mentioned "The Squire of Gothos".
Why is overall writing quality in Hollywood bad? Take a great sports league, any will do, triple the number of teams and force hiring through identity politics. The talent is watered down in any case, but in this case it’s watered down by those who aren’t even mediocre in a traditional sense.
Not the only reason. Primarily it's ideological
1:49:48 “They haven’t been expanding creativity, they restricted it.” Hear fucking hear!
38:43 The usual space-magic answer for that kind of thing tends to be "quantum entanglement", when the writers at least try to explain it.
42:20 To be fair the original Death Star firing a laser at a planet and blowing it up like a piñata stuffed with dynamite is kinda dumb, too. But at least that was something new back in the 70s.
I wish people cared about power levels more. It takes exatons of energy to blow up a planet like that, or more orders of magnitude greater than our biggest nuke than that nuke is greater than a gram of sugar in energy release.
28:39 "Fan of shhh por", what Gary?😅 Oh, "S H I P", you mean ship. My bad.Gary comes up to Robert drunk, puts his arm around him like chums, "I have an embarrassing fun fact to tell about us. We like shhh por", and Robert is like, "no I don't."😅
I have to go out on a limb and disagree with the great RMB: it's not that the corporate overlords "don't know the difference," it's that the "overlords" aren't the Boards anymore, but rather the mega asset managements companies like State Street and Blackrock. Members of the board used to pay attention and care because they had a literal stake in the success of the company, now, take Disney as a prime example, the board members don't own that many shares, relatively speaking, while asset managers own hundreds of millions if not billions. Making matters worse, these real overlords manage trillions in total assets so they can subsidize failures like Disney and keep them afloat and limping along as husks of what they used to be.
RMB contributions are always enlightening for me.
Whenever I see these shows like Modern Trek with "writers" that just copy little bits and pieces of 'memberberries and then fill in their bad Fan-Fiction in the spaces between, I immediately think of high school bullshit papers were where we'd just write gobbledygook at the last minute after procrastinating and using a couple of out of context references to meet the teacher's requirements on the paper. They make no sense and they prove the writer doesn't know what the references even mean because they stopped reading after finding something that they can manipulate.
The best thing about this weeks episode, no comix division. I used to look forward to FNT all week, now, not so much. I don’t know what it is, but something has changed, and it really needs some new people. Chrissie, Comix, Shad and Odin I can do without.
The stakes of S13 missions are meant to be small, but tie into larger developments. That's how they can break moral laws of the primary Federation without sullying it. If S13 is doing big things amorally, that just means the Federation is amoral. Plot should have been about assassinations, heists, putting down rogue S13 agents, and sacrificing good S13 agents in anonymity.
39:16 I was not expecting that joke.
Ain't no way that movie cost 180mm with having to be redone twice before they got to this movie.
Technology in scifi should inspire people to make it happen... We have cell phones and tablets because of star trek. What futuristic tech from these garbage show will inspire the youth to make it a reality?
Watching this after seeing a new song out by an Australian artist called Kevin Bloody Wilson, the song is titled Common Sense.
Yeah I think it is fitting for all western nations currently, because it calls out PC bullshit.
The cure for Ryan's hiccups is a heavy syrup food. Like honey or maple syrup or molasses.A spoonful should do.
Why doesn’t Garry get xray girl to read the articles? Isn’t that what she’s getting paid for?
You say it Garry, -Bob Iger bows only to one, SHE who has to be obeyed ! Always two there are a Master and an Acolyte !
RMB points out the writers of S31 have a junior school understanding ( which is none at all) of distance mathematics with his STD red beacons example ...and yet in old Dr Who in the story Pyramids of Mars the doctor is able to stop the bad guy due to the time it takes for a radio signal to travel from Mars to Earth ....and that was a programme aimed at the age group RMB was using in his explanation as the level of writing skill for S31 ...older TV shows reacted to their audiences with an expectation of taking onboard facts in everyday evidence and getting to grips how things worked ... modern writing seems to only require that a thing works and not how it works
So, how much longer til the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy becomes a masterpiece of cinema?
Eleventeen years.
Ain't ever gonna happen
If that was your goal, could you do any better than hollywood is now?
I thought you said prequels my bad. Yeah the sequels will never happen
Was that "How Hollywood lost the Culture War" article paid by the paragraph, it never ends.
This default praise everyone gives Michelle Yeoh is as tedious as it is with Stellan Skarsgard and Tilda Swinton. They play the same note with every performance, and that note is never particularly interesting. It is this penomenon with white people who heap praise on that particularly weird person out of guilt for finding them weird or unpleasant. Michelle Yeoh is worse, however. Her line deliveries suck. She's never been good in anything.
They aren't real actors because they play the same character every time - themselves. 🤨👍
Agree. I’ve never seen the attraction. C List at best.
Based take
Agree - Everything Everywhere etc was just tedious and repetative after the first instance of each of the INFINITE possibilities. Certainly didn't deserve an oscar for it, but at least she's an actual woman winning best actress so that's something!
1) How would they plant their doomsday McGuffin in the middle of a quadrant? Federation Space being at the boarder of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, they don't have the technology to reach the center of any quadrant for decades.
2) If the Terran Empire's motivation is they are out of resources, what resources are they planning to use for their invasion? Attempts to invade people with significant material advantage doesn't tend to go well.
3) How does one even exhaust the resources of A GALAXY? Federation, and thus presumably, Terran Imperial Space is only a tiny portion of the Milky Way. Why aren't they looking to their own reality for resources? (Not that I believe for a moment they could have even exhausted the resources of Federation Space)
4) If this is, as we've been told, set in the TNG timeframe, then that creates the small problem that the Terran Empire of the Mirror Universe DOES NOT EXIST! It was overthrown. That was hinted to be it's inevitable fate in TOS and confirmed multiple times in DS9.
So the problem as Avaris m always is continuity, power levels, logistics, population and scaling. With some of those being synonyms/benn diagrams
Emilia Perez nominations says differently the worst movie ever I can’t believe it