You are right about leading him a little behind you. Less horse issues when you are the leader. Pretty horse who definitely needs alot of training. Can tell he's young but he'll learn.
I like your method of ask, tell, demand and that you make sure the horse isn’t afraid of the wip both in the beginning of the session and again at the end.
I see someone else has the same question I have, and that is how do you not get dizzy? I find that if I can fixate on a point beyond the horse that is immobile it helps, but my attention is not on the horse at that point. If I move in a circle with the horse and kind of chase it, that’s better than if I stand in one spot and try to focus on the horse. Probably second nature to you, but definitely an interest for us amateurs.
It's funny because I can sit and wait for a train and if I watch it I get motion sick. Lol. I'm not sure why or what I do to not get dizzy. I guess because I work spinning my reining horses so much I'm used to it.
For me, ground work was pretty much vital. My horses have their own head and can be really, really hard to persuade they should do otherwise. Both are mares, so they can be very moody. Or are over-energized so they need to "let the steam out". Usually I just let them run wild - they are doing it by themself, so I don´t have to do anything at all. Galloping, bucking bronco, you can name it. And after they calm themself (or tire up a bit), then I start the main work - until this point it would be futile and would be unnecesarily anoying for both me and them. Of course, when I see the "mare day" is extremely bad, I just let them be. I know them well and they are unbelievably stubborn and are able to invent thousand and one idea, how to throw me off the rails. Otherwise they are looking for working, so I do something right. And yes, they are hucul horses, which are quite (in)famous for their antics. I just love them :D
So, the horse I recently acquired is a 21 yr old mare paint and comes from a good home and is well trained. The women who owned the horse had some health issues and no longer was going to be able to take proper care of the 2 horses she owned. The horse rescue where I volunteer at is where I got the horse. If I understood correctly, did you say that this ground work would be beneficial to a horse like I have as well? 2nd - I had the same question as Barbara Witt, "Was the "back up" vocalized because you use it as a cue, or was that for our benefit?" I usually just say "back" I also use "easy" with the reins when the horse starts to trot when we're walking. Often the horse wants to trot so I'm guessing I should trot the horse more often.
Hey Wayne. Yes this exercise is good for any horse. For the horse that wants to trot you might watch the video I put out not long ago about controlling your horse's energy and I have a video coming out tomorrow about setting a standard for the little things that I bet you will find useful. As far as saying "back", everything I do has an ask, tell, and demand. For backing a horse from the ground My body position is the ask, saying back is the tell and the whip is the demand. Just like you say "easy", you should be slowing your body for the ask, say easy for the tell, and pull the reins for the demand.
I have spooky horse in a new environment for him, big cars, tractors, traffic, some strange sounds for him, he never heard before. How to calm him down? It is 2 weeks horse is in new invironment, becoming better, but still unpredictable.
I like the way you move around when you're circling a horse. It has always bugged me that Pat Parelli models the behavior of standing still and not even facing the horse when he's circling. He just switches hands w the rope behind his back as the horse moves. The idea that you should do the standing equivalent of sitting on your ass while the horse is doing all at the work just bothers me. You may think that's also fine. JMO. And nothing against Parelli as a horseman, certainly. I also want to mention it's very helpful that you clarify your training goals (and your reasoning) in any videos where they differ from much of what's on YT. Disengaging the HQ is a huge one, because it is taught almost universally it seems. One rein stop -- same. Those things are important for us non-expert pleasure-only riders, where safety is paramount and performance is not. You are the only trainer I watch currently who is actively training performance horses, as opposed to humans, and it's a different world.
You notice things that many people miss. I get a lot of comments telling me how I do things wrong and the miss reasons why I do things the way I do. Parelli is a good horseman but his techniques are useless in my world. There are a lot of people out there with issues with their performance horses and they don't realize that the reasons are that the techniques they are using are not meant for performance horses. It is my goal with my channel to show people the difference and I appreciate you letting me know that you see it.
Pat Parelli does not teach horses to lunge. He uses “the circling game” as one of the seven games horses play with one another to assert their dominance. The purpose of the circling game is to teach the horse that the horses responsibility is to continue on the circle at a particular speed and direction (and later, the trail) until the human (the herd leader) tells the horse to do something else. Thus the horse learns to do what the herd leader (human) says and continue doing it until the herd leader directs otherwise. Pat never has a horse mindlessly circling. He changes the direction or speed every few circles and at irregular intervals so the horse’s mind stays engaged and focused on the human. Pat emphasizes that the circling game is different from lunging. It is different because the human is not continuously driving the horse forward. Pat’s program is set up to teach people, no matter their experience level, to teach their horses.
By the way, Pat Parelli also uses the “moving circling game” in which he moves the circle all around and often introducing the horse to a variety of obstacles.
I've seen other trainers do the same thing. Here's why: when you send a horse in a direction and gait, it's up to the horse to maintain that gait & direction until you request something else. If he slows or stops when he goes behind your back, then you have a chance to correct that mistake.
I got a 10 ish yr old mare I’ve had her about year, she’s spent most of her life with a young girl who she constantly put it over and scared the daylights out of so she’s developed bad habits over the years. She often threatens to rear,strike,kick or bite when you’re in the paddock with her and is nasty under saddle and on the lunge. I’ve begun to take her back to basics and teach her manners again. Anyone got any tips?
All the horses in my videos were send to me for training and this one to fix his disrespectful ground behavior. I'm not going to encourage that disrespectful behavior by allowing him to do it so you can see it. Any trainer who does that is doing it for views and does not care about the best interest of the horse.
You are right about leading him a little behind you. Less horse issues when you are the leader. Pretty horse who definitely needs alot of training. Can tell he's young but he'll learn.
I like your method of ask, tell, demand and that you make sure the horse isn’t afraid of the wip both in the beginning of the session and again at the end.
Good advice, and that palomino looks like he's going to be a great horse
Thank you, yes he's going to be nice.
As always, excellent information! Thank you for your time putting these videos together!
Great video and technique
Love that baby! He is very sweet.
Question, how do you not get dizzy? 😵
I see someone else has the same question I have, and that is how do you not get dizzy? I find that if I can fixate on a point beyond the horse that is immobile it helps, but my attention is not on the horse at that point. If I move in a circle with the horse and kind of chase it, that’s better than if I stand in one spot and try to focus on the horse. Probably second nature to you, but definitely an interest for us amateurs.
It's funny because I can sit and wait for a train and if I watch it I get motion sick. Lol. I'm not sure why or what I do to not get dizzy. I guess because I work spinning my reining horses so much I'm used to it.
Agreed! Since I've gotten "older" lunging makes me dizzy 😵
For me, ground work was pretty much vital. My horses have their own head and can be really, really hard to persuade they should do otherwise. Both are mares, so they can be very moody. Or are over-energized so they need to "let the steam out". Usually I just let them run wild - they are doing it by themself, so I don´t have to do anything at all. Galloping, bucking bronco, you can name it.
And after they calm themself (or tire up a bit), then I start the main work - until this point it would be futile and would be unnecesarily anoying for both me and them.
Of course, when I see the "mare day" is extremely bad, I just let them be. I know them well and they are unbelievably stubborn and are able to invent thousand and one idea, how to throw me off the rails. Otherwise they are looking for working, so I do something right. And yes, they are hucul horses, which are quite (in)famous for their antics. I just love them :D
What is the difference between an engaged and an unengaged hip?
So, the horse I recently acquired is a 21 yr old mare paint and comes from a good home and is well trained. The women who owned the horse had some health issues and no longer was going to be able to take proper care of the 2 horses she owned. The horse rescue where I volunteer at is where I got the horse. If I understood correctly, did you say that this ground work would be beneficial to a horse like I have as well?
2nd - I had the same question as Barbara Witt, "Was the "back up" vocalized because you use it as a cue, or was that for our benefit?" I usually just say "back" I also use "easy" with the reins when the horse starts to trot when we're walking. Often the horse wants to trot so I'm guessing I should trot the horse more often.
Hey Wayne. Yes this exercise is good for any horse. For the horse that wants to trot you might watch the video I put out not long ago about controlling your horse's energy and I have a video coming out tomorrow about setting a standard for the little things that I bet you will find useful. As far as saying "back", everything I do has an ask, tell, and demand. For backing a horse from the ground My body position is the ask, saying back is the tell and the whip is the demand. Just like you say "easy", you should be slowing your body for the ask, say easy for the tell, and pull the reins for the demand.
Young horse bump in to you by head. What to do?
Was the "back up" vocalized because you use it as a cue, or was that for our benefit?
Saying "Back Up" is my tell just like I used a kiss as my tell for my ask, tell, demand.
I have spooky horse in a new environment for him, big cars, tractors, traffic, some strange sounds for him, he never heard before. How to calm him down? It is 2 weeks horse is in new invironment, becoming better, but still unpredictable.
Fall back on his previous training, that will be familiar and comfortable for him.
What does it mean on him being solf on the right side of his face and harder on the left side and what causes it
When a horse steers better one way than another they are usually softer on one side than the other.
Is that something that previous owners caused or just differences in the horse
I like the way you move around when you're circling a horse. It has always bugged me that Pat Parelli models the behavior of standing still and not even facing the horse when he's circling. He just switches hands w the rope behind his back as the horse moves. The idea that you should do the standing equivalent of sitting on your ass while the horse is doing all at the work just bothers me. You may think that's also fine. JMO. And nothing against Parelli as a horseman, certainly.
I also want to mention it's very helpful that you clarify your training goals (and your reasoning) in any videos where they differ from much of what's on YT. Disengaging the HQ is a huge one, because it is taught almost universally it seems. One rein stop -- same. Those things are important for us non-expert pleasure-only riders, where safety is paramount and performance is not. You are the only trainer I watch currently who is actively training performance horses, as opposed to humans, and it's a different world.
You notice things that many people miss. I get a lot of comments telling me how I do things wrong and the miss reasons why I do things the way I do. Parelli is a good horseman but his techniques are useless in my world. There are a lot of people out there with issues with their performance horses and they don't realize that the reasons are that the techniques they are using are not meant for performance horses. It is my goal with my channel to show people the difference and I appreciate you letting me know that you see it.
Pat Parelli does not teach horses to lunge. He uses “the circling game” as one of the seven games horses play with one another to assert their dominance. The purpose of the circling game is to teach the horse that the horses responsibility is to continue on the circle at a particular speed and direction (and later, the trail) until the human (the herd leader) tells the horse to do something else. Thus the horse learns to do what the herd leader (human) says and continue doing it until the herd leader directs otherwise. Pat never has a horse mindlessly circling. He changes the direction or speed every few circles and at irregular intervals so the horse’s mind stays engaged and focused on the human. Pat emphasizes that the circling game is different from lunging. It is different because the human is not continuously driving the horse forward. Pat’s program is set up to teach people, no matter their experience level, to teach their horses.
By the way, Pat Parelli also uses the “moving circling game” in which he moves the circle all around and often introducing the horse to a variety of obstacles.
I've seen other trainers do the same thing. Here's why: when you send a horse in a direction and gait, it's up to the horse to maintain that gait & direction until you request something else. If he slows or stops when he goes behind your back, then you have a chance to correct that mistake.
I got a 10 ish yr old mare I’ve had her about year, she’s spent most of her life with a young girl who she constantly put it over and scared the daylights out of so she’s developed bad habits over the years. She often threatens to rear,strike,kick or bite when you’re in the paddock with her and is nasty under saddle and on the lunge. I’ve begun to take her back to basics and teach her manners again. Anyone got any tips?
Be careful she could be dangerous.
Mine bites nothing works to fix problems, also won't longe for me,
You should use a really disrespectful horse. This is unbelievable with a loveley sweet horse.
All the horses in my videos were send to me for training and this one to fix his disrespectful ground behavior. I'm not going to encourage that disrespectful behavior by allowing him to do it so you can see it. Any trainer who does that is doing it for views and does not care about the best interest of the horse.
Then I don’t see the point in your video.