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Original Deposition Video
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@2:01 ...take a breath...really?...with that mask on?...🤔
I think the more disturbing part of the objection by they attorney on the phone was that it’s the guys carrying the guns duty to prove they broke the law!
didn't you guys lose your case,and did you appeal?
Soloyaker... I suggest, as you have, post the entire deposition AND do your break down. It'll be more work but will help you gain experience of breaking down these things. Keep safe dude.
These people are LEGALY not required to protect you, the supreme court said so.
One of the biggest problems in law enforcement is- a judge will always say that you can’t expect an officer to know every law there is to know. Yet- a judge will tell a citizen that ignorance of the law is no excuse. One individual is a “law enforcement officer” the other individual is a “private citizen”. Which one of those two should the phrase “ignorance of the law is no excuse” pertain to?
When did the justice system gave two fucks about our rights. 😂 let alone indiviual rights. Unless you are loaded with money and highly conected? Justice for the poor, the tired, the outcast of society. Go pound rocks. Your day in court might as well be the day you stand on a 8 lane highway. Yelling at the top of your lungs. No one cares. Not even the law. Bring a gun. Oh, now they care. 😉😂
Every back the blue citizen I know says something like that. It’s a dumb piece of reasoning. We don’t let any other specialized field have that low of a bar. If you hire a framer to frame your house, you expect him to know every damn thing about framing including any local building codes. No profession is populated by so many that are so ignorant of the basic aspects of their job as the profession of law enforcement.
And the one who is professionally trained always seems to know less than the public.
"Hear hear"
"Hear hear"
And they wonder why the public has a such a distrust for crooked cops who can lie and violate your rights and rarely be held accountable.
@Gina Parker he is too busy copying and pasting the same idiotic statement everywhere.
@Gina Parker what an ignorant question.
@@hum-dinger2453 yet here you are reading it again,....
@Gina Parker As much as I can.
@@hum-dinger2453 Maybe, Just maybe you children will finally get it after it's to late. But I doubt it.
Law enforcement officials are NOT expected to know the laws they’re enforcing but private citizens are expected to know every law and follow it.
Yet if you recite laws to the police, they always mock you saying "RUclips Lawyer" or "Where did you get your law degree?"
Uhh, aren't we (as citizens) supposed to know the laws so we know what laws not to break?
So true
Well said ! ! !
this should be thread of the year!
Welcome to government. I received child support papers, and in order to fight for custody and Against Child Support, I had to first prove I was my childs father. Her mother and I weren't married, when I signed the birth certificate and the right of parentage at Birth it just meant that I was financially responsible for her until she was eighteen. It does not mean I'm her father!?!! Lol government
This is insane, imagine going to work, messing something important up and than openly stating I didn't know how to do my job as the excuse.
When law-enforcement says: “To the best of my recollection…” what they are actually saying is “I am lying but I’ll never admit it!”
They never seem to remember the laws they break. ABOLISH QUALIFIED IMMUNITY NOW!!!
"To the best of my recollection" can mean, I'm going to tell a lie and hope there is no hidden video of the incident. If the video appears then I just didn't remember correctly.
New Mexico did away with qualified immunity but cops still get away with whatever they do . abuse and even murder citizens and get a paid vacation ! The corruption s so complete we should honestly recognize Amerika i a violent police state !
They are allowed to lie. SCOTUS has ruled on it several times.
Since ignorance of the law is not a justifiable defense for a common citizen, how the hell can it be a justifiable defense for trained law enforcement officers?
SCOTUS made sure that happened. The only people who can be ignorant of the law are the cops. The Supreme Court must know how uniformly idiotic LEO are.
If they’re to enforce a law, they should know it. They can’t enforce a law they’re ignorant of, so how are they so miserably enforcing laws in this way?!? Real embarrassment for Florida LE. These guys could’ve been off duty LE for all they knew. No reports of brandishing or threatening people. Their level of response took away any kind of rational actions at that point.
They even have a laptop with every law in it in their car at all times.
Because their arrogance screams
Obay me peasant, for I am above You.
Because cops are a privileged class.
Police union: I object to this question
Investigator: On what grounds?
Police union: Because it makes our client look guilty
Never trust the police, or their crooked unions, !
I think it's more that it makes him look stupid
Obviously they will attempt to object to anything that can make their officer look even remotely bad, it’s their job, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t awful people
Edit: spelling
And STUPID>
TBF, lawyers will always object to anything they can during deposition just in case they might need to in court.
If they don't object then they can't bring it up later in court.
I believe that this officer knew he was violating the rights and the law and that he should be held personally accountable. Even if he didn't know, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. This cop should be in prison.
They dont care, how hard is that for people to understand
SCOTUS already ruled that a cop can break the law if they genuinely believe that they're not breaking the law. In other words, ignorance IS an excuse for LEO.
@@David-Nord that just shows even the courts are against the people. all a kop has to do is say i didn't know even if they did, i didn't know i shouldn't rape cuffed girls in the back of my squad car.
@@David-Nord correct, for instance, two officers in california stole $250k worth of jewelry and gold and claimed that they didn't know it was a crime and "wait for it" were granted qualified immunity because they didn't know it was a crime to STEAL!
That doesn't apply to police neither does perjury
The union lawyers objecting to all these reasonable and proper questions shows how much they have to hide.
It's a conditional attorney with the city of Miami Beach. Ironic i know.
For the number of times they objected, someone could have looked up this law and found out that not only if open carry LEGAL while fishing/hunting/camping, its also legal while you're going to and from those activities.
Right?
Print out the law; give it to the witness, have them read it into the record, and ask if they are familiar with this statute.
As dreadfully demonstrated in Uvalde, TX, officer safety is number one priority, not protecting the public.
💯 REPS
Just like Coward County Floriduh, protect and serve their pensions!
@@kevinwalker4623 because idiot's just like you live there.
OFFICER SAFETY IS THEIR ONLY PRIORITY!! Supreme Court law has decided several times they(law enforcement), have no legal obligation to protect the public..
And what happens if LEOs fail to 'protect and serve'? VERY LITTLE!!
And, in the case that local municipalities or the federal government are forced to pay for a lawsuit, it's US, THE TAXPAYERS WHO HAVE TO PAY UP! ----- WE'RE BEING PIMPED!! Consequences for thee, not me!
HAVE THE BEST DAY PEOPLE!!
STAY AWARE!!
legally the cops and state officials are not beholden to individual citizens, unless they are arrested and in state/federal custody. Therefore, those cowards in Uvalde cannot be sued. Its breathtaking how cops are shielded and no wonder they adopted and deserve the hate.
Since cops are expected to know the law, train them and repeatedly test them. Otherwise, you get more ignorance behind a trigger and badge.
Any law enforcement who arrests a citizen who is then found not guilty or the charges dismissed should have it count against them. Also qualified immunity is the biggest bullshit ever.
Agreed, and have to reimburse the citizen for court costs, lawyers, missed work, and sullied reputation. They get paid to "just take it to court", we don't.
By "count against them" I hope you mean that after they get sued, they THEMSELVES, not tax payers must pay the victim of their crime for any damages they caused by their ignorance. Perhaps there should also be a "three strikes you're out" kind of thing or one strike you're out deal depending on the severity of rights broken. If a cop gets that many occurrences of rights violated due to ignorance of the law then immediate termination of that officer should occur.
@@Layjus123 - More like “2 strike” - they ‘retire’ or transfer before the 3rd strike. Another department picks them up - rinse and repeat…
@@Layjus123 are you going to hold that sane logic in regards to employees within companies?
They work for the state, the state should be punished for not properly training officers.
You have no idea what or how Qualified Immunity even works or you wouldn’t say such a dumb fucking thing.
Qualified immunity prevents them from being held accountable for their actions. The city gets sued and the citizens pay the fines from taxes. Nobody learns a lesson and they continue doing whatever they wish under this BS Immunity.
NOW THAT is a loophole that should be closed!!
They did not win. judge said they where not fishing
Qualified Immunity has been so abused that it isn't serving it's original purpose any more. It's now being used as a shield for bad and ignorant behavior by LEO. I'm inherently in support of the original purpose of Qualified Immunity but lately I'm opposed to it. If LEO even thinks they may be nearing the edge of violating someone's Civil Rights, they need to error on the side of not doing so even if it means a bad guy gets away.
@@tazerknight1 post it then. we dont want an opinion. produce evidence.
QI only protects an LEO from a CIVIL SUIT for violation of Constitutional Rights. The issue is, that MOST of our rights are actually decided based upon what the Courts have already ruled, as opposed to what is actually in the text of the Right. So the Supreme Court or a Circuit Court of Appeals decided 5, 10 20 years ago that a certain action WAS NOT a violation of say the Fourth Amendment, but a new case now makes it to the same or higher court based upon what an officer does today, and that court rules by a 5 to 4 or other slim majority that the same Officers conduct, is NOW a violation of the Constitution, that officer should be held personally liable???
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Some police officers are so ignorant of the law and when they find out the truth they refuse to believe it.
They are taught anyone but a cop with a weapon is bad and too many fall for the crap
Most of them refuse to believe it, because they are control freaks! THAT is the problem with today's Law Enforcement! Too many control freaks with a gun and a badge. They think that gives them some special right to do what they want!! THAT is why people have gotten to the point of this huge distrust of LEO! No one to blame but themselves!
24 months of trade school at my cost as well as a year of verified field training before i was allowed to take a test that was 100 questions and 6 hours long then multiple hours of continueing education yearly on my dime to be allowed to draw contracts to work on airconditioners in georgia when i did it in 1989. Cops get about 6 weeks of training on the peoples dime and have power over our freedom as well as qualified immunity if they screw up and many times even if someone dies. If i screwed up it cost me out of pocket and the possibility of losing my licenses or even jail time was always hooveriing over my head even if it truly was an accident. Something isnt right here.
No excuses, particularly in a time when every officer has readily available internet access. They could have simply looked the law up before taking action. It's understandable that an officer can't know every law but they can double check the laws applicable to the situation in question or atleast have dispatch do so and radio back. It literally takes 2 minutes. It's not like fishing is an extremely quick act where there's no time to spare. They could have easily taken 2 minutes to research and then made an educated action rather than just wing it like absolute morons endangering law abiding adults and themselves. Absolutely stupid.
Amén amén
I don’t understand why more people don’t bring up what you said more often. Or why can’t they call someone that can help them because it seems like they need a lot of help when it comes to what the laws are. Either you are breaking the law or your not, if you are not then they need to shut up and go on their way. If you are they can arrest or not
@@markmixon1121 I've always thought the same thing. I watch a bunch of auditing videos and have seen many where you might have 6 to 8 cops on the scene for 20 minutes. One officer can't take the time to look up the law?
Not to mention it takes more time to book someone than to check a law that is a clear cut case.
And during the time they are falsely booking someone, they are not fighting REAL crimes
most cops are actually too dumb to use search engines.
they use smart phones as social media, NOT research.
Your lawyer needs to ask the officer during trial or further depositions "do you expect citizens to know each and every law pertinent to their activity at all times?' When he answers yes, then the lawyer should ask, 'should all officers know the law at all times, then?' He then has to acknowledge that officers sometimes improperly enforce laws, or acknowledge when they do so, that they sometimes violate rights based on opinion of law that is incorrect.
The cop's lawyer would object: "the question asks for a legal conclusion."
@@viralsheddingzombie5324 Still looks good in front of a jury. They ask questions in trials all the time that will be objected to but will plant a seed in the mind of the jury.
If you’re going to open carry you better know the law - otherwise your asking for it. I agree, the cops better have a good handle on the law before they decide to simply enforce what they decide then and there.
A word of advice - don't quit your day job. You won't make it as a lawyer
@@Colgate64 An officer that does not know the law and has to admit it, greatly influences juries, you know the group made up of regular people aka, your peers. I gladly will take it as a compliment that I wouldn't make it as a lawyer, as most are scum sucking bottom feeders that chase ambulances. My lawyer is a good guy and he and I destroyed GMAC, now Ally financial in lawsuit. I say he and I because every time their witness or lawyer messed up I wrote him a note and he hammered them on cross based on those notes.
Too bad the other lawyer on the phone doesn't know the law apparently because it's also to and from hunting, camping and fishing.
Actually that whole statute is an infringement of the 2nd amendment anyway. Florida is in direct violation of the U.S. constitution.
@CHRISTIAN Wiberg::: Isn't to and from the gun range in there somewhere?
@@ransompendragon623 They (Florida lawmakers) have had several opportunities to change their laws to be more Constitutionally friendly and have not done so. The most recent was the Florida Constitutional carry.
A huge problem with Florida is the NorthEast liberal moving there. They leave the places in the NE where liberals have destroyed the place only to move to Florida and want the same laws and edicts from the leaders they elect.
@@Hear-MeoutTwo2 yeah but the specific law is about hunting,fishing and camping. At one point the cop or lawyer was talking about it so I brought it up.
@@christianwiberg447 ::: FYI
790.25 Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.-
(h) A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition;
(j) A person firing weapons for testing or target practice under safe conditions and in a safe place not prohibited by law OR GOING TO OR FROM SUCH PLACE.
Why can a cop get away with NOT KNOWING the law. But an everyday citizen still gets into trouble because ignorance of the law is not an excuse. WTF?
the stuff revolutions are made of...
Sebring's going to be so happy to see this in the morning I shared it to my community tab and included credit to you in a few hashtags I can't wait to meet you guys when you come up again and the sooner the better.
i struggled through as much of this depo as i could stand ,your lawyer got walked all over and let it happened ,even asked them to break decorum and give speaking objections ,the whole depo was trash
In the best interest of our country, *good* Constitutional Attorneys should be supplemented by grant dollars for clear case law rather always having to wait for a wealthy Defendant to escalate it to a higher court.
I agree. He should have titled the video, "My Attorney Gets His Ass Handed To Him."
This lawyer was (is) a turd of the highest order.
Nonetheless, the questions were still asked and answered. I don't think he was as "walked all over" as you think...
@@AliValentine143 There very often IS NOT clear case law, and that is what 2 attorneys do, is argue their point, based upon the case law that they think supports their decision. When Solo's Attorney tried to say that open carry is NOT an exception, If I was that officer, I would have shut him down, by reading him the actual FL statute that starts with the words "EXCEPT as otherwise", that pretty well makes it an exception.
If the 2a says shall not be infringed, why is this even happening.. ???
Have you been watching the senile one. Even worse, did you see what Justin Trudeau just did. Basically no guns in CA.
Not being of legal background, Government cannot abrogate a right. However, restrictions of Time, Place, & Manner may be imposed upon it.
This officer had originally believed that the Manner of carry violated established laws. I do not know exactly what the laws of Florida are concerning concealed carry. Twenty-five states have passed constitutional carry. I do not believe this has happened in Florida nor would it have a bearing upon this case.
Bottom line is officer mucked it up and may be protected by Qualified Immunity. "We got a 911 call and the caller was scared. You have to stop doing that."
Exactly 💯 we know this lawyers know this internal affairs knows this , these police are domestic terrorists I'll say it again these police are domestic terrorists
Because its Florida
Because our government creates scenarios which will in turn create new laws infringing on our constitutional rights.
how many judges have told a workin stiff out here that ignorance of the law is no excuse? we HAVE to change qi in it's current form. it's just the right thing to do.
Every officer who pointed a gun in this case should be charged with assault and brandishing a weapon.
"Florida Statute 790.25 addresses lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons, and section 3(h) specifies: Anyone "engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition" can openly carry a firearm."
The lawyor objecting is dumb to the degree of being dangerous.
This Officer still does not know what/who is allowed to "open carry" in Florida. A uniformed armed private Security Officer(Class "G" license) can open carry while going to and from work. Additionally, A private Security Officer with the title of Field Supervisor can open carry in the course of their duties and while travelling from security site to security site.
damn you aren't wrong tbh
He also says they have had quarterly training about the subject, BUT if he suspects the person(s) of being Sovereign Citizens he will illegally detain them. He also admits to taking away citizens' guns when he makes traffic stops..."For officer safety", the ubiquitous proclamation made by officers to strip us of our rights.
Which all are EXCEPTIONS to the statute. The lawyer representing the City/Officer and the Officer himself, both missed opportunities to slam dunk Solo's Attorney by reading him the statute that starts with the word "EXCEPT" when he claimed it was the law and NOT an exception.
The full list:
(3) LAWFUL USES.-The provisions of ss. 790.053 and 790.06 do not apply in the following instances, and, despite such sections, it is lawful for the following persons to own, possess, and lawfully use firearms and other weapons, ammunition, and supplies for lawful purposes:
(a) Members of the Militia, National Guard, Florida State Defense Force, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, organized reserves, and other armed forces of the state and of the United States, when on duty, when training or preparing themselves for military duty, or while subject to recall or mobilization;
(b) Citizens of this state subject to duty in the Armed Forces under s. 2, Art. X of the State Constitution, under chapters 250 and 251, and under federal laws, when on duty or when training or preparing themselves for military duty;
(c) Persons carrying out or training for emergency management duties under chapter 252;
(d) Sheriffs, marshals, prison or jail wardens, police officers, Florida highway patrol officers, game wardens, revenue officers, forest officials, special officers appointed under the provisions of chapter 354, and other peace and law enforcement officers and their deputies and assistants and full-time paid peace officers of other states and of the Federal Government who are carrying out official duties while in this state;
(e) Officers or employees of the state or United States duly authorized to carry a concealed weapon;
(f) Guards or messengers of common carriers, express companies, armored car carriers, mail carriers, banks, and other financial institutions, while actually employed in and about the shipment, transportation, or delivery of any money, treasure, bullion, bonds, or other thing of value within this state;
(g) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from this state, or regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for target, skeet, or trap shooting, while at or going to or from shooting practice; or regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for modern or antique firearms collecting, while such members are at or going to or from their collectors’ gun shows, conventions, or exhibits;
(h) A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition;
(i) A person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person while engaged in the lawful course of such business;
(j) A person firing weapons for testing or target practice under safe conditions and in a safe place not prohibited by law or going to or from such place;
(k) A person firing weapons in a safe and secure indoor range for testing and target practice;
(l) A person traveling by private conveyance when the weapon is securely encased or in a public conveyance when the weapon is securely encased and not in the person’s manual possession;
(m) A person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a secure wrapper, concealed or otherwise, from the place of purchase to his or her home or place of business or to a place of repair or back to his or her home or place of business;
(n) A person possessing arms at his or her home or place of business;
(o) Investigators employed by the several public defenders of the state, while actually carrying out official duties, provided such investigators:
@@HUBABUBA-il8fn Wrong, they are NOT exceptions. They are part of the law.
Qualified Immunity encourages not knowing the law. As long as they don't know the law but think what they were doing was legal, nooooo problem.
The biggest problem with law enforcement across the country is that they have qualified immunity, essentially giving them the rights to do anything they want to.
We have to get rid of qualified immunity and internal affairs. Cops investigating cops is ridiculous. Call or write your representative and demand legislation to get rid of qualified immunity.
These tyrants are not going to respect your rights. Period.
This is why it’s up to individuals to take matters into their own hands to hold these cops accountable. Take a good look at his face people that’s the face of the enemy.
Yep Const Repub def hold them legally accountable
@@RightToFreedomGirl definitely
It’s just a few years away when it’s us versus them and we out number them massively I can’t wait no wonder they want guns banned cos the can’t use their hands nothing but pussies
Whoever that was on the speakerphone was dead wrong, there are many cases in Florida where it was upheld that every citizen has the right to open carry going to, coming from and while camping, fishing or hunting.
There are probably a hundred videos on YT alone about these cases.
I'd never camp or fish in Florida without a gun because gators, boas, wild boar and Florida panthers just to name a few reasons.
I don't get how the lawyer kept objecting. The law is pretty clear.
@@cryptofan6255 he's representing a cop, of course he's going to be ignorant af
@@repubseatdick I doubt the lawyer is ignorant of that law.
@@cryptofan6255 that's what lawyers do. In deposition all but the most straight forward of questions like, star your full name and is it spelled this way, will get an objection to form. It preserved that lawyers ability to argue against the statement later whether it was truly objectionable or not. If not objected to then the statement becomes an uncontested truth to the case before the court to a great degree.
@@westondavis1682 exactly.
What scares me is this cops lack of comprehension.
I remember more than one cop, and a judge telling me that ignorance of the law is no excuse....but I'm a peasant.
No it's not just Florida it's happening everywhere these police are ridiculous man 💯 and they're brewing a lot of hate because of their actions and behaviors and violence towards people and citizens alike I'll tell you one thing karma is real
Search anndrew Coffee self defense verdict in Florida
The cops murderer his girlfriend with a no warrant raid, and charged him
Cops are not very intelligent. They're bots that do as their told. The system is created to use the police like puppets. The city managers are the guilty parties.
I am not from Florida but I have spent a considerable amount of time there and I know for a fact that the law on open carry while fishing hunting and what they're leaving out target shooting has been in place for decades. With the amount of reptiles in Florida fishing without a firearm could be hazardous to your health and/or life.
Gator says what?
This reminds me of when a Republican at a congressional hearing questions a democrat or democrat appointee and they don't know the law, or ignore the law and just do as they please, and of course the cops lawyer is making excuses for the cop violating the rights of the people who were open carrying which again is legal. The cop saying officer and public safety as en excuse to have guns drawn and come up on the people isn't a legal reason to violate people's rights.
Every time a cop makes a bad arrest he wants to claim it was a mistake, ignorance of the law is no excuse how many times have they told that the individual law abiding citizens? It is time this qualified immunity is Donnahue with wants and for all, when law-enforcement makes mistakes that affects law abiding innocent people they need to pay the punishment through their retirement fund not through the taxpayers
Pointing a fire arm at someone with out a reason is assault with a deadly weapon
One thing we can all agree on, it needs to be mandatory for an officer to actually "know" the law and variations of how it's "applied" before they can be legally allowed to arrest a citizen under those pretenses
They prob had *BINOCULARS* on y'all for several minutes & new doggone well y'all were happily fishing!
That's the only reason they approached. Had it been a lone guy in a school, they would have stayed on shore - ya know ... for "officer safety" and all.
*knew
There is absolutely no excuse for a "law enforcement officer" to not know every law. They need far more training before they're released on the public to literally change people's lives and or take their life.... Their responsibility at the very least warrants further training and better understanding of the laws they're responsible for enforcing. Like a plumber doesn't know what pvc glue is, we would say you aren't a plumber. A law enforcement officer that doesn't know the laws is not a law enforcement officer. There is no excuse for their ignorance.
cops have less training then a hair stylist. Let that sink in, LESS training then a hair stylist...
@@Onelegleg Police academies in the U.S. last 6 months on average, compare that to Great Britain where the academy lasts 2 years. U.S. cops have basically NO training.
It is 2 YEARS before most cops in European countries even begins their training days on the streets. 2 YEARS!!! In the US... 6-8 weeks.
The lawyer on the phone arguing with a lawyer that knows the law, plus the client is agreeing because he's looked it up sence then, is laughable. Misconduct
The question was overbroad and a misstatement of the law. Generally Florida permits open carrying while fishing. Fishing does not, however, authorize open carry by someone who is disqualified from possessing a firearm. The questioning attorney should have narrowed it. It doesn’t impact the issues in this litigation as the cops had no reason to believe he was disqualified from carrying, but the objections to the question were valid.
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The lawyer on the phone was actually CORRECT, and Solo's Attorney left himself open to being slam dunked, which both the Sergeant and the City Lawyer missed.
Anyone who is under oath , in a trial of deposition, that refuses to answer the question that has actually been put to them, and instead answers a question/questions that they were obviously not asked, should face censure of some kind. Officers of the law , or of the court, who insist on doing so, should face more harsh penalties.
This officer knew what he was actually being asked, and kept answering questions that he had not been asked.
The fact that the cops lawyers still won’t recognize that open carry is legal when fishing or camping is telling.
He gave himself away when he said my concern was officer safety first then the publics. I don't think so cooter, anytime you volunteer for a uniformed force your safety is at the bottom of the list.
Tell the Kids and Parents in Texas
Not anymore. Serve and protect is a thing of the past
@@Spearhand00 Protect (ourselves) and Serve (the state)
It's actually the exact opposite; police are trained to put their and their fellow officers' safety above EVERYTHING else.
And you wonder why the level of mistrust is so high they abuse authority and hurt civilians wouldn't hurt his mother or father in that manner
A statute/code cannot abrogate the Constitution(s), open carry or concealed in public is lawful, it is a "RIGHT" and not a privilege. RIGHT TO BARE ARMS......
The cops only need to know ONE law and that is the law that they are trying to enforce.
Just shows the whole thing is a game and the truth doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is how things are worded and your interpretation or knowledge. If a citizen is ignorant of the law their rights are violated and their freedom and ability to earn a living is violated. If an officer is ignorant of the law, theyre given paid leave, paid administrative duties, paid legal defence, and are immune to punishment.
All this does is enable them to violate people with the knowledge there are no repercussions.
Words matter in the legalese areas. That is why it is difficult for the average person to represent themselves. Someone practiced in the verbage knows how to twist and manipulate the word .
Imagine being armed and saying you believe in the 2A and allowing another man to take your firearm and bound you. What's the point of having a firearm to protect yourself and not protecting yourself???
Before they decided to approach with weapons drawn, and in a tactical formation, did any of the officers in question do just the slightest bit of research on the laws? I didn't think so.
Here's what I think: one of them (sgt?) goes up to the fishing guys and does a little investigating. The others are backup if it goes south. Nope! They agree to make intimidating moves and then any pushback puts you in cuffs or worse. The cops could have possibly caused something much worse by not being cool headed. They went in looking for trouble, granted maybe subconsciously, but the fishermen were cool headed, which kept this from escalating. Isn't that what cops are supposed to do? More training needed here, even up the ladder.
I object that someone can object when they don't understand the law
If a citizen doesn’t know the law officers respond by saying: ignorance of the law is no excuse.
My new response to Officers not knowing the law will be: Ignorance of the law by an Officer of the law is a Dereliction of duty…
I don’t expect them to know all the laws but they let their ignorance be the basis for violating our 4th Amendment Right and Florida Statue 901.51
If a normal person would have open carried while uninformed that it was illegal would he have been charged? The answer is absolutely. A cop violating the law because he is uninformed should carry the same weight. If one party is required to know law then it is common sense that people that enforce the law be held to the same if not higher standards.
Qualified immunity must be abolished and should never have been law in the first place. Also using military tactics on citizens of this country is not , nor ever should be used unless they actually know that someone is commitiing an actual crime!
Essentially, "I object to any question that points out put my client's utter ignorance of the laws he is paid to enforce!"
Release the next one I am ready to see it
Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse to break the law, but it is an excuse to enforce it.
This is what happens when lawmen have no idea what the law is ..
If citizens are not allowed to use ignorance is no excuse, then law enforcement should absolutely never be ignorant of any law, because they are supposed to be law enforcement!
I totally agree they need to take away qualified immunity that's the only way public servants will uphold the law and quit lying there'll be more transparency accountability like it's supposed to be instead of lies lies lies
It's hilarious to hear the cop say "their illegal actions were totally legal under state law, regardless of what the state law says." He said it's legal, then said it's illegal, then said it's legal again... then said it's illegal again.
Here's the thing:
There are Not that many laws and cases which a LEO needs to know pertaining to the rights of citizens. This is literally the 2nd amendment and the laws of his state which pertain to it. It is not a lot. He doesn't need to know books and books worth of laws; he needs to know like 5. Its not a lot to ask.
The BIGGEST problem in law enforcement that I can identify is that, in the rush to hire only college-indoctrinated officers, communities are hiring more and more cops from outside the communities being policed; officers who are often not moored to or otherwise connected to the community. Often times these officers feel superior to the people in the communities being policed and have an absolute lack of empathy for them and have no commonly shared values.
The cops lawyer don't like the law obviously.
The law is true.
actually the law is shit because it goes against the 2nd amendment making it null and void.
@@mandatoryslave6777 I agree
Officer safety get a new job
Public safety he could care less
wear a mask mean you got something to hide
If a public servant doesn't know the laws how can they enforce them?
"Objections to form must sufficiently explain the objection so that the interrogator is able to revise the question and avoid the problem."
This is ridiculous about law enforcers being exempt from knowing the law especially the US Constitution in which they sworn to protect when it come to the 1, 4 and 5th Admendments. And it is really disturbing when you hear cops say they don't care about your rights, as we have heard some say when being video.
We the people can't use ignorance of the law but..LEOs can 🤯 Make it make sense #AbolishQualifiedImmunity #Cowards
I’ve been told by countless cops that ignorance is no excuse for the law
Shall not be infringed. That is the law of the land. No state or city should be in any way able to infringe upon our constitutional rights.
So the people who are hired to uphold the laws are not expected to know all the laws 🤔 but average citizens are expected to know all the laws 🤔 ignorance is not a valid defense.
the cop knew the law - I live in FL and it's a very well known law, everyone I know here who has a gun knows that law
"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Any and all gun "laws" are repugnant to the Constitution.
Ignorance of the "law" is not a defense.
But doesn't it say that you belong to a regulated state militia?
Joe Biden just recently said the US Constitution is not absolute. Think about that voters..." The US Constitution is not absolute". He's planning on banning certain guns, ammo, and magazines, you know the scary black ones -Because the US Constitution is not absolute....so he thinks he can change or create a law that is greater than the Constitution. That is just the start, the end game for them is NO guns allowed in the hands of citizens.
@@blairleighton2393 NO, it does not. Also, a militia is not a state-sponsored organization. It could be several men/women in a neighborhood.
@@RonKris Your comment disappears when I click "View # replies". I listened to a X-Gang Member explain how gangs occasionally find boxed of weapons in Chicago allies left for them to find. Will police start leaving boxes of guns in upper class neighborhoods too? (Not only is your gun illegal, but it was used in a murder... Was that you?)
@@Thinker2-truth If people in the 'upper-class' neighborhoods find a box of guns they will call the police.
We have to know every law, statute, etc or we get fined and/or arrested bc ignorance of the law is no excuse but law ENFORCEMENT? Nope
Open carry of firearms is generally banned except for certain protected places and activities, including in the home, place of work, hunting, fishing, camping, or while practice shooting and while traveling to and from those activities.
You must train for several years to receive the certification to dye someone's hair, you must train several months to receive the certification to put that person in jail for the rest of their life.
Judges consistently use the term that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".... This applies to police who enforce such laws especially.
My takeaway is that as long as an officer is willing to say he believed You are violating a law then he is completely justified in whatever behavior he feels is necessary. Disgusting
Hired and trained to uphold LAW.... Cities and counties, should be sued for everything they have if a EMPLOYEE/LEO violates a citizens rights.
There is zero excuse for a "law enforcement officer" TO NOT KNOW THE LAWS, they are hired to enforce.
Did you know its legal for an officer to open carry?
Objection misrepresentation of the law
this is why i strongly agree with the second amendment, him and his wife are the neighbors you would have to defend your family from.
I don't think any Municipal policeman should be allowed to patrol the Waterfront unless he or she has been thoroughly trained by FWC and FMP on every rule,law and statute that applies to where the water meets the land.
the fact he is hiding his face shows so much. i will state it again. all cops should have their own personal insurance. not the entire force as one but they themselves should have it. if they cant get insured then they cant be a cop. if they keep getting in trouble and sued, the insurance companies wont insure them.
@Christopher Morrissey - They do/and are supposed to have a bond or insurance. The problem is that people try to go through the police complaint process instead of going straight to the insurance company. I agree with your comment.
Works for doctors.
@@crownroyal2248 they have qualified immunity.. that needs to go, needs to be private insurance just like doctors and lawyers.. but the police union fights it everytime stating if they remove qualified immunity cops will all be subjected to lawsuits and they don't want that.
Were you sleeping for the past 3 years?
@@thatoneguy94512 Yes. I understand qualified immunity as a shield for public officials against going to jail or being held responsible for their actions. What I am trying to express is comparable to a credit check. Meaning if enough people complain to his insurance or bonding company his score will go down and his premium will go up. It would not be financially responsible for a company to insure a bad officer. This is all about money.
Blank eyes
Soulless
This is funny because I once heard a Judge say in open court “ ignorance of the law is not a defence”. So how is it we cant charge the police the for their ignorance?
Dispatchers can't look up legalities prior to sending a swat team to dispatch the offenders that aren't offenders
Police do a lot of figuring things out.
I love how you keep exposing all these political officers. This guy did not act in the capacity of a peace officer and instead along with his fellow officers acted out as political officers meaning they are enforcing something else but a law.
I guess the first thing would be for the judge to determine if the law actual says that you can open cary when hunting , fishing or camping. Because the Defense lawyer will always object if the Judge allows him to.
Hopefully several LEO's are now educated thru these experiences enough to know how to work these calls.
Crazy shit bro
And imagine all the wrongdoing that was done and excused. Now our Miranda protections are gone!!! Things are about to get WORSE
These guys are perfectly willing to go after a law abiding citizen, just not move in to stop kids from dieing in a school. What are we paying for again?
I'd actually really like to hear that attorney explain what he thinks the law says, if not that simply fishing allows one to open carry legally ?
"It's like shooting fish in a barrel" made no sense to me until open carry while fishing became a thing.