I saw Falcon at Reading in 1968- a sleek machine just a bit leaner looking than a class 47. At that time, there was an NB Type 2 hydraulic chugging around and just about all its (blue) paint had fallen off- a real eyesore. I think BR liked eyesores. First time I ever travelled behind a diesel must have been behind on of these diesels- Reading to Paddington in 1961- less than impressive when we thought with a diesel we would really fly along! Not with one of these engines- 75 mph maximum- light engine, I assume. Time flies even if the engines didn't! A time machine would be great- I would be back in 1961 taking the numbers of the Kings.
Lovely Classic Diesels ,Great Video ,Born in 1973 love all these classic locos here filmed with The Good ,The Bad and The Ugly theme played ,I wish I had got to see if I had a TARDIS some of these still operating ,Before some of these classes were either reduced to scrap like the Clayton's and the Warships operate still ,Miss the sight of Most of these not operating on the main line .Great Nostalgic video ❤️
(puts on rose-tinted specs) Is it just me, or did the diesels have a bit more character about them then than the new generation? Funny how 30+ years ago I'd have loved to have seen some of the old liveries instead of the BR Blue and Blue/grey, yet now I feel nostalgic seeing those very same colours!
pwbrum1961 I think the issues is people watch this and see a class 47 and are like 'ah yes! Classic!'. But the thing is no one cares about Classes 43-46, or indeed almost all of these. Is anyone really yearning for the return of Sulzer type 2s? In 30 years, people will talk about Turbostars and Pendolinos, Eurostars and Javelins, whilst forgetting the Pacers, class 158, and all that crap. So they see a few classes doing different things and locos seem so much more varied and characterful. Do you really think the Class 01 was that different from the 02, the 03, the 04, the 05, the 06... that it was particularly characterful. The fact I thought Warship about 3 times to different locos says all you need to know about the variety and character of most of these locos.
@Iain Gray 421s are pretty hot ngl. But I think the reason many think these locos look pretty is, their interest in them. when a machinist gets the new and best lathe, ya know?
A good selection of Traction typifying the situation at the time that transition from steam to diesel with the filth and grime already building up on what were in some cases new locomotives. Atmospheric and typical of the 1960’s BR scene.
Yes there certainly were some odd looking first generation BR diesel lovomotives without a doubt. Why they made them that way goodness only knows, but more importantly, reliability and performance wise, some where much better in comparison to others. Nice photo selection, 🙂👍
"Ugly" is very subjective. The Class 15s were a more or less total waste of money but in my opinion they were (are in the case of the one survivor) very good looking machines.
The main problem with the Maybach and Paxman classes was that BR bosses, in their infinite wisdom, did not maintain them according o manufacturer''s recommendations. A quick runner will not run as long between overhauls as a slow runner and will need an engine change between chassis overhauls. The WR set up for this but the facilities were not used overmuch but the ER did look after the Deltics properly....
2:30 gosh, the Brush Falcon (Class 53) definitely one of the "Good" (scrapped by BR in 1975 and cut up in March 1976). The photo is pre-1970 as it was then renumbered from its original number (here still being carried).
I think we now realise that public money was wasted on useless diesel locomotive designs there should have been a prototype for each one ,and they should have been tested and the best ones chosen before being purchased but there was such a rush to dieselise and get rid of steam this did not happen.
But what was the point of having prototypes? BR had two fantastic diesel locomotive prototypes, The Falcon and The Kestrel and what did it do ? Threw them away.
It was called a Brake Tender and was use to increase braking power when unfitted freight wagons were still in use. Around the North East a lot of unfitted bogie boosters still were in use carrying steel bars from the local steel works around Middlesbrough.
D8206 was one of ten pilot scheme locomotives. It was a British Thomson-Houston 800hp Bo-Bo Type A (1). To my knowledge they spent most of their short life based on the Eastern Region (London).
Mostly Bad OR Ugly and some Bad AND Ugly. With the benefit of hindsight (ho- hum!) all that was needed was classes 08, 09, 20, 24 or 25, 31, 33, 37, 47, and 55. The rest were money wasted and some were absolute shockers. Probably the only Well-Functioning AND Good Looking classes were the 31s and 47s; though the 37s and 24s have an ugly charm to them - as well as being good they look a bit like warthogs nevertheless! ... The 52s were real beauties but defeated the benefits that should have come from standardization. Ah well... we all make mistakes!
Some classes of diesel locos would have lasted much longer had more been produced over 500 class 47 type diesels lasted longer than others class 37 type 3 (English Electric) over 300 were built similar amounts of class 31 brush type 2 class 08 shunters totaled thousands originally by having more of the same class its cheaper and easier to maintain keep a class of locomotives going if you have 500 class 47s you have plenty spares can be borrowed from a stored locomotive until you order more parts as these parts would be produced in bulk making maintenance cheaper easier while classes 55 Deltics English electric type 5 only totaled 22 class 50s only 50 built class 41 hydraulic diesels about 5 class 52 diesel hydraulic only 74 class 23 only ten and others classes of diesel locos were also only few in number this limits life expectancy of the locomotives its more expensive and spare parts are fewer due only having small numbers of locomotives built so no need to produce large quantities of spares
never understood why Brishish Rail built so many different types of diesels when surely they only neede maybe 10-11 different types the rest were a waste of money considering their cost and their longevity compared to some steam classes
After starting with a trail batch of diesels, BR decided they needed as many diesel as possible as quickly as possible, so as to eliminate steam traction. This was because they could not find enough people who would work with steam, there was a large shortage of footplate staff and cleaners.
When BR was formed, they inherited a main line diesel, a second loco soon after, plus the 3 SR designed locos a bit later, all with good power units. Why they didn't develop and construct more of these at that time instead of designing a new range of standard steam locos, is hard to fathom.
Worst thing they ever did is except shunters is introduce patthetic deisels should have stuck to the king yes the ruler of the rails STEAM STEAM IS KING
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Railways look a lot more interesting back then in the 60s
I saw Falcon at Reading in 1968- a sleek machine just a bit leaner looking than a class 47. At that time, there was an NB Type 2 hydraulic chugging around and just about all its (blue) paint had fallen off- a real eyesore. I think BR liked eyesores. First time I ever travelled behind a diesel must have been behind on of these diesels- Reading to Paddington in 1961- less than impressive when we thought with a diesel we would really fly along! Not with one of these engines- 75 mph maximum- light engine, I assume. Time flies even if the engines didn't! A time machine would be great- I would be back in 1961 taking the numbers of the Kings.
Lovely Classic Diesels ,Great Video ,Born in 1973 love all these classic locos here filmed with The Good ,The Bad and The Ugly theme played ,I wish I had got to see if I had a TARDIS some of these still operating ,Before some of these classes were either reduced to scrap like the Clayton's and the Warships operate still ,Miss the sight of Most of these not operating on the main line .Great Nostalgic video ❤️
We made some great locomotives but by eck, we also made some right lemons too!
(puts on rose-tinted specs)
Is it just me, or did the diesels have a bit more character about them then than the new generation?
Funny how 30+ years ago I'd have loved to have seen some of the old liveries instead of the BR Blue and Blue/grey, yet now I feel nostalgic seeing those very same colours!
pwbrum1961 I think the issues is people watch this and see a class 47 and are like 'ah yes! Classic!'. But the thing is no one cares about Classes 43-46, or indeed almost all of these. Is anyone really yearning for the return of Sulzer type 2s? In 30 years, people will talk about Turbostars and Pendolinos, Eurostars and Javelins, whilst forgetting the Pacers, class 158, and all that crap. So they see a few classes doing different things and locos seem so much more varied and characterful. Do you really think the Class 01 was that different from the 02, the 03, the 04, the 05, the 06... that it was particularly characterful. The fact I thought Warship about 3 times to different locos says all you need to know about the variety and character of most of these locos.
All of them are beautiful in comparison to some of the ghastly looking contraptions that pound the rails today.
Think class 70, 67,66 ect.
@Iain Gray 421s are pretty hot ngl. But I think the reason many think these locos look pretty is, their interest in them. when a machinist gets the new and best lathe, ya know?
Kestrel - best looking design that was never adopted by BR 😕
❤ 1930s trains
They are super beautiful
I need to watch this at least once a week. Bet you have a great photograph collection!
This was my era trainspotting as a kid.
A good selection of Traction typifying the situation at the time that transition from steam to diesel with the filth and grime already building up on what were in some cases new locomotives. Atmospheric and typical of the 1960’s BR scene.
Fantastic Photos here!
Great production, many thanks. Charlie
I don't want that class 97
Electric class 47
I like the class 42 this is the very last time from from 1920s 2:43
Another great photo montage and liked the music - but which was which - that's a very personal choice and would keep me debating all evening!!!
All 1st generation diesels were great
Aside from the class 14, 15, 16, 17, 21, 22, 23, 28, 41 warship, 43 warship
They all are beautiful.
The good old Clayton . A friend of mine almost died crewing one of these due to the exhaust leaking into the cab, he spent days in hospital.
Wow. I also like the Class 14
Aah.. D7515..my first day in the cab..!
It rocks! Keep on trucking!
Super!!!
I believe the Bo-Co locomotive is now in the shed at the East Lancashire Railway. With a bit of luck, I may get to start work on it soon.
James Braithwaite She will run again
@@TheOnlyTYRE what was the idea behind a CO-BO locomotive????
Michael Naisbitt I'm sorry what. Can you explain, I'm taking about about the Class 28
U Mean Co-Bo? Because Bo-Co Is A Fictional Co-Bo Locomotive
What's the British class 47
Yes there certainly were some odd looking first generation BR diesel lovomotives without a doubt.
Why they made them that way goodness only knows, but more importantly, reliability and performance wise, some where much better in comparison to others.
Nice photo selection, 🙂👍
WONDERFUL DAYS
"Ugly" is very subjective. The Class 15s were a more or less total waste of money but in my opinion they were (are in the case of the one survivor) very good looking machines.
The main problem with the Maybach and Paxman classes was that BR bosses, in their infinite wisdom, did not maintain them according o manufacturer''s recommendations. A quick runner will not run as long between overhauls as a slow runner and will need an engine change between chassis overhauls. The WR set up for this but the facilities were not used overmuch but the ER did look after the Deltics properly....
Old loco's never die , they just pull harder.
great collection...though D600 didnt look happy....!
2:30 gosh, the Brush Falcon (Class 53) definitely one of the "Good" (scrapped by BR in 1975 and cut up in March 1976). The photo is pre-1970 as it was then renumbered from its original number (here still being carried).
Saw it at Gloucester Shed early 70's
I think we now realise that public money was wasted on useless diesel locomotive designs there should have been a prototype for each one ,and they should have been tested and the best ones chosen before being purchased but there was such a rush to dieselise and get rid of steam this did not happen.
But what was the point of having prototypes? BR had two fantastic diesel locomotive prototypes, The Falcon and The Kestrel and what did it do ? Threw them away.
How the fuck will moaning change what happens 50 years ago
Awesome pic collection !
These Deltics complete it in an ab-so-lutely SUPERB way
Surprised there wasn’t a photo of a class 40 or 37, unless hadn’t been built then, correct me if I’m wrong?
The class 40 was at Haymarket shed and the class 37 was behind the brake tender at West Hartlepool station
The Music comes from Great Western Themes by Geoff Love (Compacts for Pleasure CDB 7 52031 2)
Kestrel appears in British Railways 1960's Diesel Locomotives
In the photo of the BTH Type 1s at WGC, is it D8321 leading ?
None of those locos was ugly. The only ugly thing was the yellow ends which have disgraced every diesel and electric loco since the early 60s.
Brought in to make things safer for people working on the railway.
Tbh I like the yellow on the 08’s, 47’s and the 40’s
They look smashing on the BR class 73 electro-diesels as well!
0:59 & 1:01 are my favorite diesel engine
1:15 That was bear from Railway series.
It's a class 35 hymec
Scuse me, but what number is the class 28 at 1:01?
It was D5702 on Upperby Shed
They sure made a lot
and thank You for the Teddy bear within
Classic!!
1:13 - "Cow-calf" arrangement?
It was called a Brake Tender and was use to increase braking power when unfitted freight wagons were still in use. Around the North East a lot of unfitted bogie boosters still were in use carrying steel bars from the local steel works around Middlesbrough.
wow!!!!!!
Thanks For Including the Deltics. But what about the stylish Kestrel? HS4000
Did you compose the music on a home keyboard per chance?
Can someone tell me what D8206 is
D8206 was one of ten pilot scheme locomotives. It was a British Thomson-Houston 800hp Bo-Bo Type A (1). To my knowledge they spent most of their short life based on the Eastern Region (London).
Mostly Bad OR Ugly and some Bad AND Ugly. With the benefit of hindsight (ho- hum!) all that was needed was classes 08, 09, 20, 24 or 25, 31, 33, 37, 47, and 55. The rest were money wasted and some were absolute shockers. Probably the only Well-Functioning AND Good Looking classes were the 31s and 47s; though the 37s and 24s have an ugly charm to them - as well as being good they look a bit like warthogs nevertheless! ... The 52s were real beauties but defeated the benefits that should have come from standardization. Ah well... we all make mistakes!
Stephen Smith if your talking about looks at least include the deltic. Beautiful in an odd way.
I don't know, I do like the 52 Westerns. The 42 Warships too for that matter.
Not sure. What about the "Peak" series? Decent, sometimes inspired loco's with pretty fair availability records. (I'm a fan!)
Class 31 good looking...I've heard it all now.
@@Crimsonedge1 GWR bum boy.
Hymeks are ace way better than 31's and 47's.
Boooooooooooo
Rubbish hydraulic crap
GWR bum boy.
Hymeks are nice, but thats a little far
Some classes of diesel locos would have lasted much longer had more been produced over 500 class 47 type diesels lasted longer than others class 37 type 3 (English Electric) over 300 were built similar amounts of class 31 brush type 2 class 08 shunters totaled thousands originally by having more of the same class its cheaper and easier to maintain keep a class of locomotives going if you have 500 class 47s you have plenty spares can be borrowed from a stored locomotive until you order more parts as these parts would be produced in bulk making maintenance cheaper easier while classes 55 Deltics English electric type 5 only totaled 22 class 50s only 50 built class 41 hydraulic diesels about 5 class 52 diesel hydraulic only 74 class 23 only ten and others classes of diesel locos were also only few in number this limits life expectancy of the locomotives its more expensive and spare parts are fewer due only having small numbers of locomotives built so no need to produce large quantities of spares
1:04 class 22
What type of loco is that at 1:01 ?
+CreRay It was D5702 at Carlisle Upperby taken on 26.08.1965. It was a Merto Vick Co.Bo. One of twenty that were not a success.
Thanks, I see it's the class with the Crossley engine. That explains all.
What's the name of the song?
Its called "The Good, the Bad & the Ugly" from the film of the same name
@@agdenyer cheers matey
Class 42 Diesel 10
0:42 lol It's hard to look and not see Diesel, Mavis and 'Arry and Bert! ^-^
No mavis is a 04 and the others are 08s although there was a 03
01:13 that is a strange locomotive.
(The low down one)
Could be a brake tender.
In America there is lots of them mostly used in yards for heavier trains basically in us A SD40-2 with half of the top sawed off
@@lfewell2161 It is.
1:16 HYMEC
Some Bad AND Ugly. Some Good and Ugly...
never understood why Brishish Rail built so many different types of diesels when surely they only neede maybe 10-11 different types the rest were a waste of money considering their cost and their longevity compared to some steam classes
After starting with a trail batch of diesels, BR decided they needed as many diesel as possible as quickly as possible, so as to eliminate steam traction. This was because they could not find enough people who would work with steam, there was a large shortage of footplate staff and cleaners.
@@agdenyer thank you for the information have often wondered why so many types but this info clears it up
When BR was formed, they inherited a main line diesel, a second loco soon after, plus the 3 SR designed locos a bit later, all with good power units. Why they didn't develop and construct more of these at that time instead of designing a new range of standard steam locos, is hard to fathom.
Trains.
Class 47s and 37s are the good no bad locos ugly are hydraulics
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Contemporary BR diesels have no aesthetic whatsoever!
The diesels are dead
Nope they aren't
Worst thing they ever did is except shunters is introduce patthetic deisels should have stuck to the king yes the ruler of the rails STEAM STEAM IS KING
WRECKED BY CRAP MUZAK THUMBS DOWN
Wanker comment.
Only the deltics and hst were good
Henry Dover-Porter are you having a go at the class 47 M8?
Dubsy 102 yeah I am
Henry Dover-Porter it's lovely though