7:58 "That's BS. He knows he probably got away with one here." This is as obvious an obstruction call as I've ever seen. The first baseman (Adam Dunn) blocks his path back to first and even moves to keep blocking him when he tries to go around him.
It’s a pickle, there can’t be an obstruction, if that was so, then rundowns wouldn’t even be a thing. He wasn’t blocking on purpose, he was set up to receive the ball, as one would usually do in a rundown. The runner DID get away with one there
@@ryanl9224 There absolutely can be obstruction in a pickle. In fact, many pickles end in obstruction calls. If the rule did not exist, what Dunn was doing would happen in almost every pickle. Intent is irrelevant--if he does not have the ball, he cannot obstruct the runner.
eauhomme the official rules state there must be contact for it to be considered obstruction, Dunn doesn’t make contact with the runner. Not only that, the professional rules of most leagues recognize “imminently,” or the right to block a base path if you are in the act of receiving the ball or if you are in “imminent” possession of the ball. It’s a very ambiguous rule that can go both ways, and it can be argued whether or not Dunn had “imminent possession” of the ball. But, in my opinion Dunn did nothing extreme that warrants an obstruction call, especially when the Umpire initially calls the runner out and then changed his mind.
@@ryanl9224 Not true. The official definition of obstruction (Rule 2.00) is "The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner. Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered "in the act of fielding a ball." It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the "act of fielding" the ball. For example: an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner." "Impedes the progress" means his actions cause the runner to slow, stop, or take other action to avoid. It says nothing about making contact. Dunn was not imminently fielding the ball there. The ball would have to be in the air, about to enter his glove for that to apply. The second baseman never even threw the ball, so Dunn could not have "imminent possession" of it. The runner had to try to juke his way around Dunn as he was blocking him from the base. This is one of the most obvious obstruction calls you could ever have. The umpire called an out, then changed his mind because he realized the out was due to the obstruction. He knew it was important to get the call right.
@@ryanl9224 You wrote; "the official rules state there must be contact for it to be considered obstruction,...." Did you pull this out of your butt? No rule book at any level says there must be contact for obstruction to occur. I guess you are one of those "experts" who doesn't know the rule so you make one up.
1:44 - ok, a lot of people don't understand this one. he stood sideways in the "Set" position, but then used the Windup motion to pitch; in MLB that's a Balk by rule UNLESS the pitcher informs the plate umpire before the pitch that he's going to use the Windup from the Set position for that at-bat. The announcers don't know the rule, but then they never do. I don't know if the manager is arguing that "well, YOU should just KNOW he's using the windup with a runner on 3B, we shouldn't have to tell you" (that's not the rule) or if he's claiming they did tell the umpire and he just didn't hear. For those who demand rule cites, see OBR 5.07(a)(2) Comment, Paragraph 2. In FED rules (high school), this is a balk regardless, the pitcher simply can't do that at all.
@Mark Davidson What would REALLY help is if the baseball announcers, the people who literally earn their living by talking about baseball, would learn the rules and comment accurately. Most non-umpires learn what they think are the rules from watching baseball or by playing baseball: Both result in gross misunderstanding of the rules, and persistent belief in completely incorrect rules.
Biggest problem with this video is the lack of context on alot of the plays. Just when you're starting to get a idea of what's going on the video jumps to another clip.
As clearly defined by Jon Bois: “1) You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that. 1a. A balk is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of 2) Do not do a balk please.”
6:42 "It's hard to see..." You generally don't see a catcher's interference call. You hear it. When the bat hits the glove and then the ball, you will hear two hits. If the bat hits the glove and not the ball, it will sound similar to a foul ball, though the sound of it hitting soft leather is different. Seldom is the hit hard enough to see unless the glove is knocked off or the hand itself is hit solidly, causing the catcher to wince.
I agree that it's usually hard to see. I've heard it myself and it's a unique enough sound and display to call. I think in this case, they were saying "It's hard to see..." because they couldn't see it. Probably because it didn't happen here.
Note: "in the running lane" = *both feet* on or within the lines. 'Nuther Note: the runner may legally exit the running lane in the *last* step or stride (or slide) to first base.
typical AL announcers. they don't care about classy things in baseball like manufacturing runs, playing with good fundamentals, and knowing the rules of the game
@@CybeastID You are correct that there is nothing in the rule book concerning the 45 degree thing. Umpires do use the principle that if he steps more toward first than home, it would not be a balk.
4:22 “Just stop” going full speed to make it home and in the space of two steps he could’ve stopped? Maybe he could’ve turned and avoided the catcher but there’s no way he could’ve fully stopped
I dont quite understand what’s going on in that play, mind explaining to me a bit more? Is it because he is on the inside of the line instead of the outside? I honestly have never seen or experienced this kind of call even though I’ve played baseball/softball my whole life
@@mrgmartin2409 There is a like to the right of the foul line starting half way (45') between home and first that forms the running lane (so called). The batter/runner doesn't HAVE to run in that lane but if there is any conflict with the ball or fielder the runner is given the benefit ofthe doubt if he is in that lane. For instance, if a runner is inside that lane (on the infield side) and hit with a thrown ball, he SHOULD be out as the presumption SHOULD be that he has interfered with the fielders. When Dibble threw at the runner, the runner was inside that lane so it was just a bad throw and the play continued. The problem is that MLB umps have NOT been enforcing the running lane. In HS umping it is enforced much more. For instance on a bunt where the catcher tries to throw to first and throws it wild.... if the runner was inside the first base line then it SHOULD be called interference on the runner and the runner SHOULD be out. Does this answer your question? Which play were you referring to?
Nah, that was a legit pickoff. The toe only has to cross the 45° plane (and it was right on the line) so he got called on it. The reason it looks like a balk to everyone is because college coaches cheat the rule REALLY pushing left handers to take full advantage of that 45° rule. (Reason being you see so many 1st base pickoff attempts vs right handers to 3rd, is because if you biff it to first the guy is only gonna get to 2nd. If a pitcher biffs it to 3rd, a run is scored). So knowing that, and not seeing it pushed as heavy or utilized as much going towards 3rd, is why it looks so foreign going to first. The one in the video could be either/or, but if getting down to brass tacks and going frame by frame, his toes are definitely over the 45° plane to make it legal. (But he probably shouldn't have pushed it THAT close and tried his luck, because its up to the interpretation of the blue at that point. It's not like it is in college, AA, or AAA. Once you get called up, it is a whole different level of "tightass blues" lol).
@Mark Davidson It doesn't have to be deliberate. I think a lot of balks come from pitchers' bodies habitually continuing through part of the pitching motion without them really realizing it.
It was not a terrible call, when Thomas was called out for running inside the base line. The three foot area outside the base line is where the runner must run, when running the last 45 feet to first base, when a play is being made on him.
really? Then the foul line has to split the bag into 2 different arts? The runner can take "the last step " into fair territory to hit the bag, but not the last 5 steps.
Pierre didn't mean that. It's not his fault that the catcher jumped in his way to throw the ball. When the announcer said just stop, the top angle shows he was trying to do just that. With the speed he was at he couldn't "just stop". Bad call.
@@jordanw5833 First off the video doesn't show it even long enough to say he paused. Second you can see his hand and glove still moving right before he throws. You have to PAUSE...not partially pause or mostly pause. I hope its not to hard of a concept to grasp.
@RICHARD SWENGEL I never disagreed that it was a balk. His normal windup has nothing to do with it. It was a balk because he stepped toward third and threw to second. I was just pointing out that announcers don't have a clue to the rules.
“The Nasty Boys,” Ah 1990 “Wire to Wire, Sweep of the A’s,” for the Pennant. It’s been a long time since 1990, come on Reds quit being a farm team and bring us another Pennant.
At least please hv a conscience to let the vid (or at least cut to) through the results of each calls being argued! I m not an an american (and guesses there r some others also to make the number), and not even played baseball but LOVES the game so much, thus having some issues understanding the reason and later the result of most of the calls since they r being cut mid way! Thus please do hv that consideration when next time compiling such vids. Thanks, and for the love of the game ❤️
@@hollistern2 Not quite correct. This is a well-known play because it's a rare case where the obstruction call hurts the team being obstructed. This play is what's known as a "Type 1" obstruction, under Rule 6.01(h)(1). It's an immediate dead ball, and because the batter-runner has not yet reached first base, he's awarded that. The umpires then place the runners where they believe they would have reached had the obstruction not occurred. Even with the bad throw to first, it's unlikely that the runner that had been on first would have scored on the play, so putting him at third is the proper call. And because Perez didn't immediately take off for first, they really couldn't award him second base on the play. Had it been a "Type 2" obstruction play would have continued and then the umpires would place the runners. The lead runner obviously scored, so that's not an issue, but Perez would have almost certainly been called out because of the tag at second. An obvious example of a "type 2" obstruction was the call at the end of Game 3 of the 2013 World Series. What I suspect Counsell was arguing was that they should be able to take the result of the play-get the run and accept the out at second. But because it was an immediate dead ball, that wasn't an option.
I've been saying this forever. I don't want to move the base, but I want to use a double base that is used at lower levels. MLB will not go for this which is a shame.
Umps should be fair game, just like hockey the game regulating itself. Not to say there aren’t good umps but the bad ones should get decked with no repercussions. Would certainly straighten them out to make the correct calls instead of “I made the call so it stands” Probably one of the most infuriating aspects of baseball...
@@a1driver982 The balk at 2:02 was because the pitcher, by rule, started from the set position which is defined by starting with the pivot foot on the rubber and the other in FRONT of the rubber. From this position the pitcher can deliver the pitch to the batter or step towards a base and make a throw. He stepped towards 1st base with his non-pivot foot and did not make a throw. That's a balk. Stupid announcers say that's his windup. Nope. The windup position is defined as having the pivot foot in contact with the rubber and the non-pivot foot in contact with, or BEHIND the rubber.
for those stupid balk calls you might as well just make it a rule that the pitcher is not allowed to throw out any base runners while hes on the mound.
He did do that but the balk was called for an action before that. There was a rule put in about 5 years ago that with a runner on third, the pitcher must declare if he is pitching from the windup. Apparently, he did not declare and must pitch from the stretch. Once he stepped back with his left leg it was a balk. That was before the little taps to the rubber.
No, it's not stupid, it's just hard to see it sometimes. You have to have the balk rule or the running game would be greatly curtailed and stolen bases would be non existent.
A balk is an illegal action by a pitcher with runners on base. It could be an illegal pitch, illegal throw to a base, failure to complete a throw to 1B or 3B, starting his motion then not delivering the pitch, dropping the ball while in the rubber... Lots of actions can result in a balk. The rules on what is a balk are pretty clear. When to apply those rules is often not, however.
At 2:02 that pitcher is NOT in the windup position, by rule. By rule, he is in the set position. From that position he must either step towards home plate to deliver the pitch or step towards a base to throw over. He stepped towards first base and then stepped towards home. It does not matter what his natural motion is, or any other pitcher's. His motion must comply with the rules. Most announcers are idiots who are clueless about the rules, especially if they are former players.
I’m pretty sure that 4:31 is the right call. You have to run in the running line and he did not do that nor did he really attempt to stay in the running line
It is the correct call. It's comical to listen to a team's announcing crew. This case, the twins announcers. They are so blinded sometimes by their biases.
@@alanhess9306 Everything predicated is to be set. A pitcher can move about as freely as they want until they are set (on the rubber in their natural pitching motion.) Although rules have changed IE fake pick off third and throw to first (I miss this one, think it was a better one)
@@tasker1986 Wrong. There are a number of ways to balk before coming set. How about a pitcher, in contact with the rubber, looking in for his signs and drops the ball? BALK. How about a pitcher, in contact with the rubber, looking in for his signs and starts to come set but stops? BALK. How about a pitcher, in contact with the rubber, looking in for his signs and and decides to step off the rubber with the non pivot foot? You don't know much about balks, do you?
Balks shouldn't get called until the end of the play and should be called by a replay ref. A really good pick up tends to look like a balk (Like the Boston LAA game). That Orioles clip is definitely a balk tho.
In MLB rules, a balk is called immediately, however if a play follows the pitcher's action then the call is enforced at the end of play, IF it has to be. So if the pitcher commits a balk while trying to pick off a runner, and ends up overthrowing the ball and the runner makes it to the next base, then the called balk isn't enforced.
can't tell, the video appears to start after the balk. the batter has relaxed and is casually stepping out of the box, which means the balk has already been called.
I’ve never understood how umps can get a call so wrong and eject managers and players for arguing it. If you mess it up, take an ear full you have no right to eject someone for your mistake. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Stupidest "call" in baseball. Most Ump's couldn't tell you what a balk is. Just do away with the balk, and if something is grossly affecting the pitcher, where the whole world knows what it is, then call that. Otherwise, stop interjecting stupid, time consuming calls and just play. The damn games take too long as it is now.
7:58 "That's BS. He knows he probably got away with one here."
This is as obvious an obstruction call as I've ever seen. The first baseman (Adam Dunn) blocks his path back to first and even moves to keep blocking him when he tries to go around him.
It’s a pickle, there can’t be an obstruction, if that was so, then rundowns wouldn’t even be a thing. He wasn’t blocking on purpose, he was set up to receive the ball, as one would usually do in a rundown. The runner DID get away with one there
@@ryanl9224 There absolutely can be obstruction in a pickle. In fact, many pickles end in obstruction calls. If the rule did not exist, what Dunn was doing would happen in almost every pickle. Intent is irrelevant--if he does not have the ball, he cannot obstruct the runner.
eauhomme the official rules state there must be contact for it to be considered obstruction, Dunn doesn’t make contact with the runner. Not only that, the professional rules of most leagues recognize “imminently,” or the right to block a base path if you are in the act of receiving the ball or if you are in “imminent” possession of the ball. It’s a very ambiguous rule that can go both ways, and it can be argued whether or not Dunn had “imminent possession” of the ball. But, in my opinion Dunn did nothing extreme that warrants an obstruction call, especially when the Umpire initially calls the runner out and then changed his mind.
@@ryanl9224 Not true. The official definition of obstruction (Rule 2.00) is "The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner. Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered "in the act of fielding a ball." It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the "act of fielding" the ball. For example: an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner."
"Impedes the progress" means his actions cause the runner to slow, stop, or take other action to avoid. It says nothing about making contact. Dunn was not imminently fielding the ball there. The ball would have to be in the air, about to enter his glove for that to apply. The second baseman never even threw the ball, so Dunn could not have "imminent possession" of it. The runner had to try to juke his way around Dunn as he was blocking him from the base. This is one of the most obvious obstruction calls you could ever have.
The umpire called an out, then changed his mind because he realized the out was due to the obstruction. He knew it was important to get the call right.
@@ryanl9224 You wrote; "the official rules state there must be contact for it to be considered obstruction,...." Did you pull this out of your butt? No rule book at any level says there must be contact for obstruction to occur. I guess you are one of those "experts" who doesn't know the rule so you make one up.
These titles are written like someone from India is trying to cash in on baseball clips lol
For real 😂😂
Definitely the case
From the channel “Baseball Sports” lol
You kick my dog
@@dsroaddogg I love you for this!
Amazing how many people, including managers, don't understand the Runner's Lane in baseball
1:44 - ok, a lot of people don't understand this one. he stood sideways in the "Set" position, but then used the Windup motion to pitch; in MLB that's a Balk by rule UNLESS the pitcher informs the plate umpire before the pitch that he's going to use the Windup from the Set position for that at-bat. The announcers don't know the rule, but then they never do. I don't know if the manager is arguing that "well, YOU should just KNOW he's using the windup with a runner on 3B, we shouldn't have to tell you" (that's not the rule) or if he's claiming they did tell the umpire and he just didn't hear. For those who demand rule cites, see OBR 5.07(a)(2) Comment, Paragraph 2.
In FED rules (high school), this is a balk regardless, the pitcher simply can't do that at all.
@Mark Davidson What would REALLY help is if the baseball announcers, the people who literally earn their living by talking about baseball, would learn the rules and comment accurately. Most non-umpires learn what they think are the rules from watching baseball or by playing baseball: Both result in gross misunderstanding of the rules, and persistent belief in completely incorrect rules.
Biggest problem with this video is the lack of context on alot of the plays. Just when you're starting to get a idea of what's going on the video jumps to another clip.
I still don't know what a balk is, but I enjoy watching these videos.
As clearly defined by Jon Bois:
“1) You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that.
1a. A balk is when you
1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that.
1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.
1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
2) Do not do a balk please.”
Who would've thought Joe West would open in a video and actually do the right thing?
Damn, Joe West was throwing people out then, he’s throwing people out now
6:42 "It's hard to see..."
You generally don't see a catcher's interference call. You hear it. When the bat hits the glove and then the ball, you will hear two hits. If the bat hits the glove and not the ball, it will sound similar to a foul ball, though the sound of it hitting soft leather is different. Seldom is the hit hard enough to see unless the glove is knocked off or the hand itself is hit solidly, causing the catcher to wince.
I agree that it's usually hard to see. I've heard it myself and it's a unique enough sound and display to call.
I think in this case, they were saying "It's hard to see..." because they couldn't see it. Probably because it didn't happen here.
"That's his normal wind-up."
The one with the orioles pick off to second, the pitcher didn’t step toward second base, that’s the balk. It was a good call.
Agreed he got no distance with his “step”
@@sammyangel209 He stepped toward third then took a second step toward second base. BALK.
Note: "in the running lane" = *both feet* on or within the lines.
'Nuther Note: the runner may legally exit the running lane in the *last* step or stride (or slide) to first base.
Can you please forward this to every idiot commentary team ?
This just proves that no one knows what the 45 foot line is for, except the umpires.
The one time Joe West was right
It's a miracle! Next up is the impossible.... Angel Hernandez making a correct call!
MrMattalace that’s not possible
@@bradywhiffen6019 agreed,. That's why I said it was the impossible
Anyone know if there are pictures of that in the Cooperstown?
Joe West is always right, it's the rules that are wrong
4:54 is the correct call, just the broadcasters have no idea what they're talking about. Easy call for the umps.
Idk wtf they're talking about... He's completely out of the courtesy lane and they don't see how it's interference
More idiot announcers.
@@alanhess9306 One can only assume that they are homer announcers; doesn't excuse ignorance though.
typical AL announcers. they don't care about classy things in baseball like manufacturing runs, playing with good fundamentals, and knowing the rules of the game
Not only the announcers, but Gardenhire being a jerk too...... again.
I love these biased announcers best part of the video
2:08 that's easily a balk. His front foot is nowhere near 45 degrees or less. His front foot is almost coming home
The rules on a balk are so hilariously ill-defined. The 45 degree thing is not actually in the rulebook.
@@CybeastID You are correct that there is nothing in the rule book concerning the 45 degree thing. Umpires do use the principle that if he steps more toward first than home, it would not be a balk.
What about A rod slaps the ball out of Arroyo’s glove ?
4:22 “Just stop” going full speed to make it home and in the space of two steps he could’ve stopped? Maybe he could’ve turned and avoided the catcher but there’s no way he could’ve fully stopped
The orioles pitcher broke his hands before he spun, nothing about his shoulders
@ 2:15 = THAT was a balk. Hands-down. No debate.
Announcers guess wrong alot, throwing umps under the bus
0:40 You cannot call a balk if an umpire has called time. They should have gotten together and corrected the call.
Seriously. That's some grade A BS there.
The balk was called by a base umpire before the plate umpire called time.
Umpires have way too much power.
Blue's got the same state of mind as 12's. "I have to show dominance".
True but where are the people asked what’s 12
I’d expect at least 5 10 year olds
4:35 .... GREAT CALL.... these announcers simply do not understand what the running lane is all about
I agree. Fans and announcers have biases on calls because they badly want their team to be in the right
I dont quite understand what’s going on in that play, mind explaining to me a bit more? Is it because he is on the inside of the line instead of the outside? I honestly have never seen or experienced this kind of call even though I’ve played baseball/softball my whole life
@@mrgmartin2409 There is a like to the right of the foul line starting half way (45') between home and first that forms the running lane (so called). The batter/runner doesn't HAVE to run in that lane but if there is any conflict with the ball or fielder the runner is given the benefit ofthe doubt if he is in that lane. For instance, if a runner is inside that lane (on the infield side) and hit with a thrown ball, he SHOULD be out as the presumption SHOULD be that he has interfered with the fielders. When Dibble threw at the runner, the runner was inside that lane so it was just a bad throw and the play continued.
The problem is that MLB umps have NOT been enforcing the running lane. In HS umping it is enforced much more. For instance on a bunt where the catcher tries to throw to first and throws it wild.... if the runner was inside the first base line then it SHOULD be called interference on the runner and the runner SHOULD be out.
Does this answer your question? Which play were you referring to?
2:30 that's a balk IDC where his toe is facing the leg is at least 80 degrees to home
Exactly
In my opinion, lefthanders balk 50% of the time they throw to first.
Nah, that was a legit pickoff. The toe only has to cross the 45° plane (and it was right on the line) so he got called on it.
The reason it looks like a balk to everyone is because college coaches cheat the rule REALLY pushing left handers to take full advantage of that 45° rule.
(Reason being you see so many 1st base pickoff attempts vs right handers to 3rd, is because if you biff it to first the guy is only gonna get to 2nd. If a pitcher biffs it to 3rd, a run is scored).
So knowing that, and not seeing it pushed as heavy or utilized as much going towards 3rd, is why it looks so foreign going to first.
The one in the video could be either/or, but if getting down to brass tacks and going frame by frame, his toes are definitely over the 45° plane to make it legal. (But he probably shouldn't have pushed it THAT close and tried his luck, because its up to the interpretation of the blue at that point. It's not like it is in college, AA, or AAA. Once you get called up, it is a whole different level of "tightass blues" lol).
StrikeForce K9 to me it doesn’t look like his toes crossed the 45 degree plane but I guess it’s a judgement call
Balks are forever changing
@Mark Davidson It doesn't have to be deliberate. I think a lot of balks come from pitchers' bodies habitually continuing through part of the pitching motion without them really realizing it.
I played baseball for 12 years. These balk calls are still a mystery.
They confuse me. I didn’t even know other players could do a bulk lol
@@kaitlin1609 Other players cannot balk.
So any time a pitcher breathes the wrong way, it’s a balk, apparently. Some of these calls are just… oof.
Every morning I go to get eggs from the hens while they ball 😂😂😂
Has yelling at an ump ever pay off? Even once?
Nope
It was not a terrible call, when Thomas was called out for running inside the base line. The three foot area outside the base line is where the runner must run, when running the last 45 feet to first base, when a play is being made on him.
fun fact: more then one people can’t be first
This isnt soccer
does that make sense?
U make no sense
do you english bruh
First
~2 illegal moves arguing~
Illegal move 1:I'm more illegal than you are!
Illegal move 2:No I am!
Biggest questions in our lives:
1. Is there a God?
2. Is there life on other planets?
3. Was that a balk?
1. No
2. Yes
3. 🤷♂️
If the base runner is expected to stay on the right side of the foul line then there should be part of 1st on that side
really? Then the foul line has to split the bag into 2 different arts? The runner can take "the last step " into fair territory to hit the bag, but not the last 5 steps.
Pierre didn't mean that. It's not his fault that the catcher jumped in his way to throw the ball. When the announcer said just stop, the top angle shows he was trying to do just that. With the speed he was at he couldn't "just stop". Bad call.
The Baltimore one was a balk and the cubs vs reds was a balk cause he never paused. That was very deceiving.
Cubs guy definitely paused what are you talking about
@@jordanw5833 First off the video doesn't show it even long enough to say he paused. Second you can see his hand and glove still moving right before he throws. You have to PAUSE...not partially pause or mostly pause. I hope its not to hard of a concept to grasp.
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The first one I don’t think was illegal just because he advanced but yes it was dirty
Man I loved juan pierre.
1:24 that’s a balk. It isn’t even close.
How can the announcers on this play be so stupid?
@RICHARD SWENGEL I never disagreed that it was a balk. His normal windup has nothing to do with it. It was a balk because he stepped toward third and threw to second. I was just pointing out that announcers don't have a clue to the rules.
Cool vid except for uboob ad interruptions.
“The Nasty Boys,” Ah 1990 “Wire to Wire, Sweep of the A’s,” for the Pennant. It’s been a long time since 1990, come on Reds quit being a farm team and bring us another Pennant.
2:23 thought I had a seizure
The second one, how can a balk be called after the ump calls time out?
The balk was called before the plate umpire called time.
That first one is the only time ive seen Joe West do something correctly.
Many of the clips on this channel end too early -- in the middle of an explanation.
At least please hv a conscience to let the vid (or at least cut to) through the results of each calls being argued! I m not an an american (and guesses there r some others also to make the number), and not even played baseball but LOVES the game so much, thus having some issues understanding the reason and later the result of most of the calls since they r being cut mid way! Thus please do hv that consideration when next time compiling such vids. Thanks, and for the love of the game ❤️
so at the end of the day no one really knows the balk rules?
Wow. A young Joe West and young Lou Pinella.
And angel herendez
The bookies made a phone call, what else is new
@2:47 Did the first base umpire call runner interference on the throw to first?
No, MB coach wanted obstruction called (going for ball thrown, runner must avoid contact) and was upset runner was gunned at 2nd.
@@hollistern2 Not quite correct. This is a well-known play because it's a rare case where the obstruction call hurts the team being obstructed.
This play is what's known as a "Type 1" obstruction, under Rule 6.01(h)(1). It's an immediate dead ball, and because the batter-runner has not yet reached first base, he's awarded that. The umpires then place the runners where they believe they would have reached had the obstruction not occurred. Even with the bad throw to first, it's unlikely that the runner that had been on first would have scored on the play, so putting him at third is the proper call. And because Perez didn't immediately take off for first, they really couldn't award him second base on the play.
Had it been a "Type 2" obstruction play would have continued and then the umpires would place the runners. The lead runner obviously scored, so that's not an issue, but Perez would have almost certainly been called out because of the tag at second. An obvious example of a "type 2" obstruction was the call at the end of Game 3 of the 2013 World Series.
What I suspect Counsell was arguing was that they should be able to take the result of the play-get the run and accept the out at second. But because it was an immediate dead ball, that wasn't an option.
Gta is great, no, the first baseman was called for obstruction. Does Counsell not know the rules or is he just being a jerk?
Move the damm base to the other side of the stripe and you'll eliminate these crappy bogus calls. everyone stay safe and healthy
I've been saying this forever. I don't want to move the base, but I want to use a double base that is used at lower levels. MLB will not go for this which is a shame.
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I don’t even know what a balk is lol it’s such a confusing rule.
Umps should be fair game, just like hockey the game regulating itself. Not to say there aren’t good umps but the bad ones should get decked with no repercussions. Would certainly straighten them out to make the correct calls instead of “I made the call so it stands” Probably one of the most infuriating aspects of baseball...
My god some announcers are just blind when it comes to other teams doing shit sometimes
The one with Juan Pierre and Johm Buck was an accident. Not done on purpose.
That's true, it appears to be accidental. That doesn't absolve him though. Most interferences are not on purpose. It's still interference.
These videos are edited like someone from India who doesn't know how the game is actually played.
Amazing how these announcers don't know what a balk is.
I'm starting to think I don't know either based on what I'm seeing in this video. It seems like they can call balk anytime for any reason.
@@a1driver982 The balk at 2:02 was because the pitcher, by rule, started from the set position which is defined by starting with the pivot foot on the rubber and the other in FRONT of the rubber. From this position the pitcher can deliver the pitch to the batter or step towards a base and make a throw. He stepped towards 1st base with his non-pivot foot and did not make a throw. That's a balk. Stupid announcers say that's his windup. Nope. The windup position is defined as having the pivot foot in contact with the rubber and the non-pivot foot in contact with, or BEHIND the rubber.
To solver these problems hitting the runner with teh ball should be like kickball rules and count as an out.
To solve these problems, ban idiots like Dibble from being allowed on a ball field ever again.
for those stupid balk calls you might as well just make it a rule that the pitcher is not allowed to throw out any base runners while hes on the mound.
Because you don't understand the rules or the reason for them does not mean balk calls are stupid.
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1:45 he moved his back foot like 3 times that’s why it’s a balk
He did do that but the balk was called for an action before that. There was a rule put in about 5 years ago that with a runner on third, the pitcher must declare if he is pitching from the windup. Apparently, he did not declare and must pitch from the stretch. Once he stepped back with his left leg it was a balk. That was before the little taps to the rubber.
3:15 he's secretly buck Showalter
Rob Dibble...do I want to get you out, or punish you!
Rob Dibble...the definitive example of "Million dollar arm, ten cent head"
@@almostfm I wouldn't give you 10 cents. Just plain pissed off that he got beat on a bunt.
Lefty pitcher basically don’t have a move to throw to first that isn’t a balk
What does this title mean?
whats the bonk or whatever they're calling it
"Balk": an illegal act by the pitcher when one or more runners are on base.
The balk is the stupidest damn rule in the whole sport. It's like calling pass interference on the offense...
No, it's not stupid, it's just hard to see it sometimes. You have to have the balk rule or the running game would be greatly curtailed and stolen bases would be non existent.
I have no clue what the exact rules are, but these umpires are damn arrogant
What's the point of allowing pitchers the ability to pick off runners on base if umpires are going to call balks almost everytime.
Umpires call balks when pitchers violate the rules. Good pitchers can make pickoff moves without violating the rules.
Aka Coach’s getting kicked out for no reason.
I’m a huge baseball fan still couldn’t tell you what tf is a balk
Same here
A balk is an illegal action by a pitcher with runners on base. It could be an illegal pitch, illegal throw to a base, failure to complete a throw to 1B or 3B, starting his motion then not delivering the pitch, dropping the ball while in the rubber... Lots of actions can result in a balk. The rules on what is a balk are pretty clear. When to apply those rules is often not, however.
THE BASE IS INSIDE OF THE BASELINE
At 2:02 that pitcher is NOT in the windup position, by rule. By rule, he is in the set position. From that position he must either step towards home plate to deliver the pitch or step towards a base to throw over. He stepped towards first base and then stepped towards home. It does not matter what his natural motion is, or any other pitcher's. His motion must comply with the rules. Most announcers are idiots who are clueless about the rules, especially if they are former players.
Kinda sad how many times in this video the announcers used the term interference when it was actually obstruction or vise versa.
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what is a balk?
You have to pick of to a base that has a person on it
I’m pretty sure that 4:31 is the right call. You have to run in the running line and he did not do that nor did he really attempt to stay in the running line
It is the correct call. It's comical to listen to a team's announcing crew. This case, the twins announcers. They are so blinded sometimes by their biases.
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those announcers are blind on the last clip.
I hate the word balk. Just so happens it’s also baseballs pettiest rule.
Because you don't understand the rule or the reason for it does not mean balk rules are petty.
Why are fans cheering when their own player gets ejected
at this point the only entertaining parts of baseball are ejections, bench-clearing brawls, and Rickey Henderson but he retired decades ago.
tf is a bak call lmao
they couldnt find another name for it lol, also what does a bqk call even mean
Theatre of the absurd
The quote to note... "you cant argue a balk"
Abad balk clearly not a balk, not set and hitter jumps out so no reason.
A pitcher does not need to be set to commit a balk.
@@alanhess9306 Everything predicated is to be set. A pitcher can move about as freely as they want until they are set (on the rubber in their natural pitching motion.) Although rules have changed IE fake pick off third and throw to first (I miss this one, think it was a better one)
@@tasker1986 Wrong. There are a number of ways to balk before coming set. How about a pitcher, in contact with the rubber, looking in for his signs and drops the ball? BALK. How about a pitcher, in contact with the rubber, looking in for his signs and starts to come set but stops? BALK. How about a pitcher, in contact with the rubber, looking in for his signs and and decides to step off the rubber with the non pivot foot?
You don't know much about balks, do you?
Why do all the umpires have serious mommy issues
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3:10. That umpire is unacceptable.
aro 327, The umpire was correct. Your comment is unacceptable.
Balks shouldn't get called until the end of the play and should be called by a replay ref. A really good pick up tends to look like a balk (Like the Boston LAA game).
That Orioles clip is definitely a balk tho.
In MLB rules, a balk is called immediately, however if a play follows the pitcher's action then the call is enforced at the end of play, IF it has to be. So if the pitcher commits a balk while trying to pick off a runner, and ends up overthrowing the ball and the runner makes it to the next base, then the called balk isn't enforced.
0:40 what happened?
can't tell, the video appears to start after the balk. the batter has relaxed and is casually stepping out of the box, which means the balk has already been called.
@@davej3781 Think the batter stepped out of the box and time was called then a balk because the way he stepped off.. Basically not a balk
@@tasker1986 that seems to be what the announcers are talking about, but to me it looks more like the balk has already need called.
@@tasker1986 Can't call a balk after time is called, but It appears the balk was called prior to the plate umpire calling time.
@@alanhess9306 My point exactly! Basically it's not a balk because that can't happen.
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You're all ejected.
I’ve never understood how umps can get a call so wrong and eject managers and players for arguing it. If you mess it up, take an ear full you have no right to eject someone for your mistake. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Stupidest "call" in baseball. Most Ump's couldn't tell you what a balk is. Just do away with the balk, and if something is grossly affecting the pitcher, where the whole world knows what it is, then call that. Otherwise, stop interjecting stupid, time consuming calls and just play. The damn games take too long as it is now.
There are 13 specific violations listed in the rule book. Most every umpire above LL knows them.
Can we take a moment for the first clip. That's the only call Joe West got correct in his career
Jerry West????
@@alanhess9306 Yes, its amazing he didn't think the ball just slipped out of Dibble's hand
@@MortifiedPenguinGaming You mean Joe West, right? Jerry West was an NBA player.