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Thank you for having Thomas as a guest. I had to rewind numerous times in an attempt to grasp the concepts. He may have to think in German before presenting in English, but whatever it is, I admire that he is mindful of every word he says and does not intersperse his comments with a patter.
Thank you for this, I just read the article discussing Stephen Hawkings and Thomas Hertog findings and I've been searching for any talks he has given recently about this and so glad to have found this interview.
Dr. Shermer and Dr. Hertog, I really appreciate interviews on subjects such as these. I remember attending a lecture Stephen Hawking gave in Portland, Oregon, in 2002 titled, "A Brane New World", if I recall correctly. I was a college student at the time, and had read close to all of Dr. Hawking's books published by that point. I remember feeling so lucky to get to attend one of his lectures in-person, because by that point in time he had already outlived his initial ALS prognosis by many years, and it wasn't certain if he'd ever be able to make another trip out to a smaller U.S. big city like Portland, Oregon, again after that trip in 2002. So I made absolutely sure not to miss that lecture.
1. What was the function of the protein that was first coded by RNA or DNA from which a selection could be made? 2. If the fewest genes that a cell can have to sustain life is around 400 but it has to have additional DNA to have reproductive function how can RNA or DNA have primacy ? 3. If a flatworm can be multiploidy and maintain function and morphology how does DNA have primacy? 4. How is it that a cockroach and rats can reproduce, after nuclear radiation,with mutations such that they become multi ploidy in order to maintain morphology and function and RNA or DNA have primacy or a selective function? 5. Why are a dog and a dingo or completely different genetic plants nearly identical? To what are they “converging “? 6. There can be any number of ways that a thing in nature can be the shape of a sphere but how many possible ways are there that a thing in nature can be the shape of a Mandelbrot set? Why is the brain a Mandelbrot set? How is a Mandelbrot set selected for from an infinite number of fractal patterns?
Reaching cycle two is possible only through continuous hard scientific work (kind of reverse engineering) human logic is universal, reaching cycle two will never happen through hallucinations (hallucinations will destroy science, the only truth mankind has). Human thoughts are more than enough as guidelines (only a specific type of logic that can reduce the unlimited probabilities), it’s the only chance mankind has.
There are two cycles for sure (if human said for sure then it’s true forever). Cycle one (this universe) built within cycle two (existence itself). Time travel is possible only through cycle two and only forward, actually cycle two has different approach to time (something like watcher) in all cases (both cycles) time is just a process it’s not a dimension nor a thing. Future generations must reach cycle two, it’s a matter of existence to mankind, that’s the only way to survive. It’s a real dilemma, the irrationals have different realm, different mental capacity and logic.
Future generations have to know that the survival of the human race from cosmic catastrophes can only happen through decoding the mystery of gravity (the current concept of gravity is wrong), and when they can decipher gravity, they will not have the ability to control it to make spaceships except by deciphering consciousness type one firstly (different time approach) They should not forget that.
I saw you on Rogan. Your ability to stay cool for hours when three people are against you is remarkable. I have just started the video and I'm wondering if you will be as skeptical about theoretical physics as you were about ancient technological civilizations?
Could something come from a true nothing? How do we know for sure time started just before or at the big bang / inflation? Loved to hear more about Stephen and his final book passion, wish he was still here and we had a treatment for him to speak again. We are slow to fix so many things even though we've come so far. AI will finish solving for us I guess.
Is time in the universe or is the universe in time? Many people have answered this choice without ever having considered the question explicitly. I'm saying, it's just implicit in how they think about the universe.
Interestingly, these kind of abstruse arguments about questions we can't even frame, and put into human language, can have destabilising effects on people's mental capacity as you can witness below. Should carry a mental health warning. 😢 🤯
It’s impossible for the irrational apes to understand the real meaning of what is mentioned above, but future generations will (as they make scientific progress they will recognise what that means).
do you want the proof?! take a look at this Robinson's Podcast 1:58:00 David Albert & Tim Maudlin: The Philosophical Foundations of Quantum Theory | Robinson's Podcast 67
Rosiland Franklin discovered the double helix. Crick and Watson snuck in at night and found her x ray of the double helix and took credit for it. I bristle every time I hear them get the credit for something Rosiland found.
Crick played no part in that thievery. That was entirely Watson. What Crick did was to use the theft to identify the x-ray diffraction image as a helix about which Franklin had no idea. That is not to condone what Watson or Crick did, it is a simple statement of the history. What shocks me the most is that Watson was so unrepentant, he openly admits to stealing her work from her office and simply did not care. Utterly disgraceful.
@@muttleycrew Good details to know. I can't remember where I heard the story, it may have been on Radio Lab, but most of the details I've forgotten. She was really brilliant.
@@soupbonep Her early death in 1958 was a tragedy. Had she lived until 1963 she might have received the recognition she deserved instead of being posthumously robbed by Watson a second time. The whole thing is a shameful episode. Also wanted to say: the fact that Watson stole her research from her and then rode Crick's coattails makes him one of the most sinister, least worthy recipients of the Nobel prize. In any other profession he would be deemed a criminal and Crick would be an accomplice after the fact. What really annoys me even more is that Watson's so glib about it all, delighting in it, as though stealing someone else's work and having his partner make the key breakthrough he actually achieved something himself and that he deserved the acclaim for work he didn't even do.
Science discovery isn't only about acclaim , though .Franklin could consider the differance dna has made to Society ..eg solving crimes and bringing Justice for People . Thats a Satisfaction that no Prizes could bring .As for the muppet who took the credit for her work...the truth always comes out eventually.
Well, that's true. But this is a case of misogyny and cavalier thievery. Franklin should have received the Nobel Prize. It is important for young girls to have role models such as Franklin and the truth of her making the discovery should be known to the general public. Also, shame on Shermer and his guest for getting it wrong. For Shermer and his guest to perpetuate such a myth is bad for skepticism and truth in general. @@kenadams5504
Don’t let the irrationals cheat you, humans are one of the most advanced technology in existence (nothing would come into existence without science whatsoever) even after thousands of years human advanced technology will keep dazzling future generations.
In all Religions there are the hidden hands of gods that work miraculously! Selection is an action that never takes place by chance! Selection by chance?! This a new type of selection?!
how does the hand (natural selection) of god (Darwinian evolution) work miraculously?! what is behind natural selection?! random mutations or hiden hands of gods or just miracles ! how does selection take place?! there’s something behind selection or just miracles or boneheads !
The multiverse theory makes a God less probable , because it would explain the unlikelihood of our universe's Constants . The more universes there are , the higher the likelihood that there would be one with our incredible Constants ..(thus, decreasing the need for a Grand Designer/ God.).
How does the hidden hard of god (natural selection) acts ? selection never happens by chance! they get used to running forward similar to other types of believes “god do it in his own way “ !
If ~95% of "the universe" is dark matter & dark energy, could that actually be the stuff of the multiverse? And wouldn't the state before time be "absolute chaos"?
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Thank you for having Thomas as a guest. I had to rewind numerous times in an attempt to grasp the concepts.
He may have to think in German before presenting in English, but whatever it is, I admire that he is mindful of every word he says and does not intersperse his comments with a patter.
Thank you for this, I just read the article discussing Stephen Hawkings and Thomas Hertog findings and I've been searching for any talks he has given recently about this and so glad to have found this interview.
Dr. Shermer and Dr. Hertog, I really appreciate interviews on subjects such as these. I remember attending a lecture Stephen Hawking gave in Portland, Oregon, in 2002 titled, "A Brane New World", if I recall correctly. I was a college student at the time, and had read close to all of Dr. Hawking's books published by that point. I remember feeling so lucky to get to attend one of his lectures in-person, because by that point in time he had already outlived his initial ALS prognosis by many years, and it wasn't certain if he'd ever be able to make another trip out to a smaller U.S. big city like Portland, Oregon, again after that trip in 2002. So I made absolutely sure not to miss that lecture.
What else did he do to you?
1. What was the function of the protein that was first coded by RNA or DNA from which a selection could be made?
2. If the fewest genes that a cell can have to sustain life is around 400 but it has to have additional DNA to have reproductive function how can RNA or DNA have primacy ?
3. If a flatworm can be multiploidy and maintain function and morphology how does DNA have primacy?
4. How is it that a cockroach and rats can reproduce, after nuclear radiation,with mutations such that they become multi ploidy in order to maintain morphology and function and RNA or DNA have primacy or a selective function?
5. Why are a dog and a dingo or completely different genetic plants nearly identical? To what are they “converging “?
6. There can be any number of ways that a thing in nature can be the shape of a sphere but how many possible ways are there that a thing in nature can be the shape of a Mandelbrot set?
Why is the brain a Mandelbrot set?
How is a Mandelbrot set selected for from an infinite number of fractal patterns?
time free will infinite universe might be fine tuning experience of energy conscious finite multiple cosmos?
What's a tot experiment?
This was really hard to follow at times. I'm not entirely sure what these cosmologists do aside from thought experiments, playing with mathematics...
Reaching cycle two is possible only through continuous hard scientific work (kind of reverse engineering) human logic is universal, reaching cycle two will never happen through hallucinations (hallucinations will destroy science, the only truth mankind has).
Human thoughts are more than enough as guidelines (only a specific type of logic that can reduce the unlimited probabilities), it’s the only chance mankind has.
could time have both an absolute form and a relative form (one that is influenced with space)?
There are two cycles for sure (if human said for sure then it’s true forever).
Cycle one (this universe) built within cycle two (existence itself).
Time travel is possible only through cycle two and only forward, actually cycle two has different approach to time (something like watcher) in all cases (both cycles) time is just a process it’s not a dimension nor a thing.
Future generations must reach cycle two, it’s a matter of existence to mankind, that’s the only way to survive.
It’s a real dilemma, the irrationals have different realm, different mental capacity and logic.
Thank you Michael
33:00 yeah , They talk about evolution as hidden god (alternative god that works miraculously!
Future generations have to know that the survival of the human race from cosmic catastrophes can only happen through decoding the mystery of gravity (the current concept of gravity is wrong), and when they can decipher gravity, they will not have the ability to control it to make spaceships except by deciphering consciousness type one firstly (different time approach) They should not forget that.
Love this! Really love the questions Michael asks, and Thomas taught me a lot! Thanks!
Shermer, if you read these comments, we love you!
I saw you on Rogan. Your ability to stay cool for hours when three people are against you is remarkable.
I have just started the video and I'm wondering if you will be as skeptical about theoretical physics as you were about ancient technological civilizations?
Why would two different subjects invite one to be "as skeptical"?
Some ideas stand on firmer ground than others.
Could something come from a true nothing?
How do we know for sure time started just before or at the big bang / inflation?
Loved to hear more about Stephen and his final book passion, wish he was still here and we had a treatment for him to speak again. We are slow to fix so many things even though we've come so far. AI will finish solving for us I guess.
1:19:00 the irrational apes have complete misunderstanding of science and so-called philosophy, they give names then keep wondering!
It’s the destructive irrational meanness, that is all they have and rely on it completely.
Good one
Thank you Michael for interviewing Thomas Hertog, the wonderful and the marvellous scientist who is so clear in his thoughts and presentations. ❤❤❤
Is time in the universe or is the universe in time? Many people have answered this choice without ever having considered the question explicitly. I'm saying, it's just implicit in how they think about the universe.
The laws of the universe emerge, and subsequently determine their origin.
Works for me.
It's no stranger than any other quantum weirdness.😊
We are never ending fractal In this universe until there is an other big bang
Interestingly, these kind of abstruse arguments about questions we can't even frame, and put into human language, can have destabilising effects on people's mental capacity as you can witness below. Should carry a mental health warning. 😢 🤯
It’s impossible for the irrational apes to understand the real meaning of what is mentioned above, but future generations will (as they make scientific progress they will recognise what that means).
do you want the proof?! take a look at this Robinson's Podcast 1:58:00 David Albert & Tim Maudlin: The Philosophical Foundations of Quantum Theory | Robinson's Podcast 67
Rosiland Franklin discovered the double helix. Crick and Watson snuck in at night and found her x ray of the double helix and took credit for it. I bristle every time I hear them get the credit for something Rosiland found.
Crick played no part in that thievery. That was entirely Watson. What Crick did was to use the theft to identify the x-ray diffraction image as a helix about which Franklin had no idea.
That is not to condone what Watson or Crick did, it is a simple statement of the history.
What shocks me the most is that Watson was so unrepentant, he openly admits to stealing her work from her office and simply did not care. Utterly disgraceful.
@@muttleycrew Good details to know. I can't remember where I heard the story, it may have been on Radio Lab, but most of the details I've forgotten. She was really brilliant.
@@soupbonep Her early death in 1958 was a tragedy. Had she lived until 1963 she might have received the recognition she deserved instead of being posthumously robbed by Watson a second time. The whole thing is a shameful episode.
Also wanted to say: the fact that Watson stole her research from her and then rode Crick's coattails makes him one of the most sinister, least worthy recipients of the Nobel prize. In any other profession he would be deemed a criminal and Crick would be an accomplice after the fact.
What really annoys me even more is that Watson's so glib about it all, delighting in it, as though stealing someone else's work and having his partner make the key breakthrough he actually achieved something himself and that he deserved the acclaim for work he didn't even do.
Science discovery isn't only about acclaim , though .Franklin could consider the differance dna has made to Society ..eg solving crimes and bringing Justice for People . Thats a Satisfaction that no Prizes could bring .As for the muppet who took the credit for her work...the truth always comes out eventually.
Well, that's true. But this is a case of misogyny and cavalier thievery. Franklin should have received the Nobel Prize. It is important for young girls to have role models such as Franklin and the truth of her making the discovery should be known to the general public.
Also, shame on Shermer and his guest for getting it wrong. For Shermer and his guest to perpetuate such a myth is bad for skepticism and truth in general. @@kenadams5504
Hallucinators
time is not a dimension or a thing! Time is a process that needs space or even imaginary space similar to what happens in the brain.
Don’t let the irrationals cheat you, humans are one of the most advanced technology in existence (nothing would come into existence without science whatsoever)
even after thousands of years human advanced technology will keep dazzling future generations.
Final theory (strings theory) is impossible.
32:00 Evolution the hidden god of the apes that works miraculously?!
In all Religions there are the hidden hands of gods that work miraculously!
Selection is an action that never takes place by chance! Selection by chance?! This a new type of selection?!
how does the hand (natural selection) of god (Darwinian evolution) work miraculously?! what is behind natural selection?! random mutations or hiden hands of gods or just miracles ! how does selection take place?! there’s something behind selection or just miracles or boneheads !
What??? Dumb tricks. Even if the multiverse hypothesis were true, it would still require a God.
God explains nothing and is not required on any cosmology.
Why?
The multiverse theory makes a God less probable , because it would explain the unlikelihood of our universe's Constants . The more universes there are , the higher the likelihood that there would be one with our incredible Constants ..(thus, decreasing the need for a Grand Designer/ God.).
How does the hidden hard of god (natural selection) acts ?
selection never happens by chance!
they get used to running forward similar to other types of believes “god do it in his own way “ !
If ~95% of "the universe" is dark matter & dark energy, could that actually be the stuff of the multiverse? And wouldn't the state before time be "absolute chaos"?
Black Matter Lives!
The faked imaginary irrational realm of the irrational thief apes is unique of its kind!
they go to high !
what a punishment!