Love my Waltly custom Ti road bike. Looks great, rides great, and super comfortable even on really long days in the saddle. Would never replace it with a carbon bike.
Glad the Blackheart is getting some praise. I didn't know about them until after I purchased my Aethos. Hard to say what I would've picked had I known about both prior.
They look good, they don't corrode, I want one (this is a fact 😅) but as others have said here, the thing about ride quality is more of an urban myth than a reality. The differences people may have historically noticed won't have been down to the materials themselves, but the size, shape and wall-thickness of the tubing. If you made four frames of alu, steel, Ti and carbon all with identical size, shape and wall-thickness tubes in the same frame design you'd get near identical feedback as a rider from the frame. Difficulties in manufacturing splinter the materials somewhat, because it's hard to make a steel bike with anything except round tubing (give or take a few exceptions) and Ti is the same. This is ultimately what people are referring to when they praise the smooth ride quality of both materials, essentially thin round tubing is what they are in love with 😂. Also, carbon fork, carbon or flexy seatpost, the angle of both giving varied amounts of fore/aft deflection relative to other bikes, good set of wheels and most importantly tyres will account for dang near all of the ride feel you're mentioning here If blackheart made a compliant, fast, gorgeous bike, I think we can just congratulate them on an extremely well done job with all the important details that provide those qualities, rather than get all hand-wavey and mystical about the properties of Ti. That's a disservice to the bike builders
@@outdoorbros_ ooh, tricky. There's a lot of small builders who should be celebrated and do incredible work, but are tricky recommends to a global market/audience. On a more accessible level, I've always rated bikes by Shand and Kinesis, and I think Sonder make a good budget bike too. At the higher end I've definitely been into the specialised crux in terms of my personal ideal bike shed. Time are probably making the best carbon bikes money can buy though, they are crazy good. Jack laverack make a good titanium frame, blackheart seem very comparable it's great to see
Soon as I saw you rode through “the cobbles of Newport” I almost immediately knew I needed this bike as the cobbles of Newport are a part of my daily ride 😂
+1 for a Ti Frame. These are lifetime frames, just upgrade components as they wear out. No paint to chip, just polish out the scuffs. Switched from carbon years ago and never looked back.
Blackheart road ti perhaps best bike i ever owned, i think it all depends on the rider im coming from an endurance bike and this bike simply smoked it, i usually ride on a group ride 22-23 and this has no issues keeping up been that it feels more stable with less effort its a less forgiving on your body super happy with the bike highly recommended💪💪💪thanks for the review
Unfortunately the weight gap between carbon and Ti is growing. By my calc's roughly 800+ grams heavier than my Crux(825 gr). I used to travel with a Moots around Asia... For travel and rough use Ti is great choice.
I believe the fork rake angle and top tube angle play its part also in absorbing vibrations etc. Back in the old steel bike days we had curved forks with large rake (no toes would touch your tyre etc) and I recall the ride was plush and handling good also but presumably this resulted in less stiffness and hence margjnally slower bike 🤷♂️
I would be curious to see if the frame material actually effects ride feel. I know that it is something that people say but got to ride a ton of bikes when I worked as a mechanic and I could never convince myself that different frame materials had any effect. If they did it was 0.1% of the difference that changing tires has. When manufactures claim compliance numbers for their frames they always test them with a seatpost. I have yet to see a frame that is more compliant than the seat post they use during the test. I don't buy that the frame material effects cornering. That has to be down to placebo or microscopic differences in geometry.
As a mechanical engineer who has been at road cycling for decades and owned a fair amount of all materials. 1. Carbon is king for ride, handling and speed, energy management aka stiffness and weight due to superior strength to stiffness relative to weight and most importantly, differential frame section modulus aka a carbon frame can be molded to a preferred shape unlike Titanium. 2. Aluminum is better than Ti because it can be made lighter and hydroformed unlike Ti. I would much prefer a CAAD13 frameset to your Ti bike. Both have a carbon fiber fork btw. 3. Ti is heavier than Aluminum but slightly stronger and so weight ends up being close but doesn't ride better than carbon fiber or hydoformed Al. That is a fallacy. Also Ti doesn't ride better than steel. Steel ends up being heavier and why it is the least preferred material. My opinion as a material expert who understands frame materials and most importantly, mechanical engineering which is the nexus of material yield strength, modulus of elasticity, material density and most important, moment of inertia aka a frames propensity to bend based upon its wall section and its localized tube section shape in cross section which can be varied for both carbon fiber and aluminum but not Ti and Steel...afore mentioned is why major bike brands, Specialized, Trek, Giant, Bianchi, BMC, Cannondale...all of them... have carbon fiber and Aluminum at the top of their list. If Ti was preferred, top bike brands would make Ti frames because they aren't shy about overcharging the public for their bicycles. They don't. Boutique voodoo.
Well said. @PeakTorque is also an engineer, and he also debunks the myths of Ti frames. Re: Carbon, I've found some of the older carbon frames are better at dampening road vibrations (most likely because they were not so freakishly light, and had more carbon in the frame). Latest carbon frames seem too stiff and harsh IMO - the wall thickness is so minimal that there isn't much carbon to diffuse road buzz and there is zero flex. I'm also skeptical of the supposed benefits of hi-mod carbon for most riders - yes it's very strong, stiff and light, but not comfortable IMO. I've even read that some pros choose not to ride the hi-mod versions of their team bikes (although they don't make a lot of noise about it, for obvious reasons $$) You're correct about hydroformed Alu - I've got a Alu gravel bike that's fantastic to ride.
Nice to some chatter on titanium. I have lynski with carbon fork and rims. I was expecting a bit more of a quality ride, but my other bikes are very nice as well. I put fater tires on for a better ride and want a suspension stem for poor quality roads. I did change the seat from a more expensive one to one more suited to my sit bones. The smoothest ride is my geurcotti aluminium by Alan in Italy. My carbon colnago is a very nice ride as well. I think titanium is still a good thing, but my current cycling is mostly on my electric ktm mountain bike on trails, which is a bit of a bus in comparison. I think getting the bike after having a proper fitting is the best way to go and get good cycling shoes if you think you might get serious or want to get more out of your cycling. Test the bikes, and you might be surprised where you end up. You might go up or down in budget to hit the sweet spot that is right and just ride it. I have seen some busted carbon bikes and am glad if they have not been mine.
dude, I 'challenge' you to review Blackheart's All Road Ti frameset set up as an everyday/versatile road bike (not a race bike) with fast, light wheel/tire package (30mm tires). this frameset straddles the line between gravel bike/endurance road bike/'classic' road bike. again , not a race bike, just a really good, versatile everyday all-rounder that is quick and well mannered and about 18.5 pounds ready to ride.
@@outdoorbros_ no revelations; you'd conclude it's a quickish handling, light-gravel/all road bike that can work very well as a (non-race) road bike. I think it's noteworthy today because it's Ti and straddles light dirt and pure road duties very well.
Nice looking Ti bike, I would’ve preferred it had a 27.2 seat post but you can’t have everything I gather it’s electronic only as it has a integrated handlebars and headset not the greatest for running mechanical it can be done internally but depends on how big the hole are from the head tube to the down tube Interested to know if it works on this bike good review 👍😊
I’ve got one, mechanical is a no go unfortunately. There isn’t clearance in the headset, nor is it set up for cable guides in the bottom bracket or drive side chain stay.
This is a pretty bike. I ride the Van Nicholas Skeiron on 28mm tires. Tbh, on 28mm, it doesn't ride much better than my caad13. But i just love the look of this bike. Not a fan of carbon ... Too fragile.
From an engineering point of view titanium, aluminium and carbon frames have exactly the same ability to absorb bumps. Which is to say, almost no ability at all. How smooth the ride is dominated by tyre choice and pressure. There is very little in the way of suspension from a traditional bike frame whatever the material it is. Seatpost design makes some difference, but it's mainly tyre choice and pressure.
@@TheNotSoFakeNews"dominated by tire and tire pressure" I did an experiment on this with every component the same including frame geometry on 2 bikes: Titanium and steel. As a test I used the exact same tires/psi and wheelset. To make it as uncomfortable as possible I used continental gatorskins at 100psi 25c on aluminum wheels with 17internal. The Titanium bike both rode smoother and stiffer than the steel. Both frames were custom built to exact specs as close as possible. The steel was customized in every tubing used. The Titanium was limited to certain butting. So in science yes the tires, wheels and psi make the ride not the material. But my testing of over 1k miles each...beg to differ.
Weight savings! Carbon gets lighter than they allow so they have to add weight. Also, aerodynamics in carbon shape over ti typical round. I have both ti and carbon and I wish I did the ti first and saved all the money on my carbon bike 😅
@@plantsofwar8834 Did you watch the video? It's either magical or the bikes he is comparing it to were designed by the Flintstones!!! Sorry the accolades were a little over the top for any bike!
@@jimtro4403 yes I did. Nothing was over the top, he just described the experience of a compliant road bike, as it compared to the stiffer bikes he typically rides.
Looks like a great bike, but enough about the “magic Ti ride” already. Tires and geometry (and the carbon fork) play much bigger roles in how the bike rides than the frame material. As for “lifetime bike” - sure, as long as tech doesn’t leave it behind. My #1 ride is a 2000 Litespeed - a fabulous bike that was a bona fide “superbike” in its day, looks as good as new now and will likely last me the rest of my life. However - no disk brakes, limited to 25mm tires, and mechanical or full wireless shifting only (no Di2) so yes, a “lifetime” bike - but only if you except that it will ultimately become a technological dead end. And I say all this as a fully committed Ti fanboy
@@petersouthernboy6327 that doesn't hold water. a well made carbon frame/fork with good QC and liberal material mass has an indefinite fatigue window and lifespan, even with big, hard miles. as for 'wearing out', you meant welded aluminum frames.
Too much bro science in the vid. Guy is riding his test on carbon bars and says TI is smoother, says bike is twitchy because of the material and not the geometry. We can def do better than this...
@@hamedizzy5137 you sure as hell also believe in 5.1 surround sound headsets when its just all made up marketing. Now tell me I was wrong with that assumptions. Some things are just made up fairy tales that exist to sell them to you. Titanium is a nice material but if you buy a 5k Ti Frame for its comfort then you are just a victim of marketing lies and capitalism.
Anecdote experiences for me beg to differ....it's just my individual opinion but yes my carbon bikes cracked earlier than my steel or titanium. Carbon mtb is very durable, but these skinny thin walled road bikes aren't mtb durable
This thing is good at one thing, and that’s descending. It’s so F’ing stiff that it will laser through any maneuver you want. Every other situation, very average. Like, an Allez Sprint is a better bike average.
@@redkeyspoke 2, both a buddies of mine, we all know that one guy right. Hes the reason I know this. Do you know why ti or a material like steel may feel nicer to ride. When you do then you'll see it's not the actual material itself, but I suppose you could say it's because of the material. Then there's the frame design itself which have very very little compliance as most of us know seat post deflection is the majority of compliance not the frame. Now if you think ti absorbs smaller vibrations from the road you're wrong because that won't make it past the tires. There's no magic involved it's simple science. The only trickery here is ti frame makers and buyers trying to justify the price, like most things in the bike industry it's just another noodle and meatball flex.
@@timtaylor9590 I'll admit I haven't ridden one, so thanks for sharing your experience. The video specifically discusses a segment of road and how it feels, so maybe the marketing is creating a placebo effect, or maybe makers build (using tube shapes, butting, profiles) titanium bikes to have a certain expected quality and so the rider tends to get what they expect. 🤷♂️ When it comes to material properties, from my understanding, some materials can be built to flex more without compromising absolute strength, e.g. aluminum bikes are inherently stiff, assuming they are built to withstand fatigue over long usage periods. I'll admit I'm not sure how stiffness correlates to vibration transmission, though I do know that a nylon guitar string and a steel guitar string tuned to the same frequency will have different tone (which I believe is a function of harmonic frequencies). Maybe that has a subjective impact on what the rider feels? BTW, grew up loving your show, Tool Man!
@@redkeyspoke right on. The tube size is the biggest factor on how a frame feels, this is why steel rides nicer than aluminum. And steel can get away with smaller tubes because of it's fatigue resistance whereas ti cannot. Interestingly ti is weaker than aluminum so to make it work for a bike frame they add aluminum to it. I'm not sure how much but it may not be hard to find that out.
I did an experiment on this with every component the same including frame geometry on 2 bikes: Titanium and steel. As a test I used the exact same tires/psi and wheelset. To make it as uncomfortable as possible I used continental gatorskins at 100psi 25c on aluminum wheels with 17internal. The Titanium bike both rode smoother and stiffer than the steel. Both frames were custom built to exact specs as close as possible. The steel was customized in every tubing used. The Titanium was limited to certain butting. So in science yes the tires, wheels and psi make the ride not the material. But my testing of over 1k miles each...beg to differ.
Love my Waltly custom Ti road bike. Looks great, rides great, and super comfortable even on really long days in the saddle. Would never replace it with a carbon bike.
Right on!
Glad the Blackheart is getting some praise. I didn't know about them until after I purchased my Aethos. Hard to say what I would've picked had I known about both prior.
Well done review, I have had mine since August, I’ve got about 2000 miles on it and I would echo your review pretty much verbatim!
Thanks Cameron! 🖤
Love titanium for road/gravel builds and happy it's getting some more praise here.
It’s an awesome bike.
They look good, they don't corrode, I want one (this is a fact 😅) but as others have said here, the thing about ride quality is more of an urban myth than a reality.
The differences people may have historically noticed won't have been down to the materials themselves, but the size, shape and wall-thickness of the tubing. If you made four frames of alu, steel, Ti and carbon all with identical size, shape and wall-thickness tubes in the same frame design you'd get near identical feedback as a rider from the frame. Difficulties in manufacturing splinter the materials somewhat, because it's hard to make a steel bike with anything except round tubing (give or take a few exceptions) and Ti is the same. This is ultimately what people are referring to when they praise the smooth ride quality of both materials, essentially thin round tubing is what they are in love with 😂.
Also, carbon fork, carbon or flexy seatpost, the angle of both giving varied amounts of fore/aft deflection relative to other bikes, good set of wheels and most importantly tyres will account for dang near all of the ride feel you're mentioning here
If blackheart made a compliant, fast, gorgeous bike, I think we can just congratulate them on an extremely well done job with all the important details that provide those qualities, rather than get all hand-wavey and mystical about the properties of Ti. That's a disservice to the bike builders
Good take. Who’s your favorite builder?
@@outdoorbros_ ooh, tricky. There's a lot of small builders who should be celebrated and do incredible work, but are tricky recommends to a global market/audience.
On a more accessible level, I've always rated bikes by Shand and Kinesis, and I think Sonder make a good budget bike too. At the higher end I've definitely been into the specialised crux in terms of my personal ideal bike shed. Time are probably making the best carbon bikes money can buy though, they are crazy good.
Jack laverack make a good titanium frame, blackheart seem very comparable it's great to see
@@purklefluff checking them out now, thanks!
🖤Thanks for the love
Soon as I saw you rode through “the cobbles of Newport” I almost immediately knew I needed this bike as the cobbles of Newport are a part of my daily ride 😂
Glad to see Blackheart getting some press. Awesome bikes!
Agreed!
Thank you! 🖤
+1 for a Ti Frame. These are lifetime frames, just upgrade components as they wear out. No paint to chip, just polish out the scuffs. Switched from carbon years ago and never looked back.
The welds crack eventually.
@@Lotustroall materials crack. Just which one will last over time based on usage and accidents/crashes or corrosion.
Great points!
Nice shot of Ridgecrest in Marin at 1:53 :) Such a beautiful road
I 'll be getting a Ti road bike when I am 65, when being faster doesnt matter any more.
Which bike do you ride now?
Blackheart road ti perhaps best bike i ever owned, i think it all depends on the rider im coming from an endurance bike and this bike simply smoked it, i usually ride on a group ride 22-23 and this has no issues keeping up been that it feels more stable with less effort its a less forgiving on your body super happy with the bike highly recommended💪💪💪thanks for the review
"Cobbles of Newport".. :) I use that section to do my "shake-downs" on new builds. And boy will that shake your bike!
I feel the same way about my Ribble Titanium Endurance road bike.
Nice!
Unfortunately the weight gap between carbon and Ti is growing. By my calc's roughly 800+ grams heavier than my Crux(825 gr).
I used to travel with a Moots around Asia... For travel and rough use Ti is great choice.
1600g for a road Ti frame
I believe the fork rake angle and top tube angle play its part also in absorbing vibrations etc. Back in the old steel bike days we had curved forks with large rake (no toes would touch your tyre etc) and I recall the ride was plush and handling good also but presumably this resulted in less stiffness and hence margjnally slower bike 🤷♂️
It’s funny how minor differences change the feel of the bike, isn’t it?
I would be curious to see if the frame material actually effects ride feel. I know that it is something that people say but got to ride a ton of bikes when I worked as a mechanic and I could never convince myself that different frame materials had any effect. If they did it was 0.1% of the difference that changing tires has. When manufactures claim compliance numbers for their frames they always test them with a seatpost. I have yet to see a frame that is more compliant than the seat post they use during the test. I don't buy that the frame material effects cornering. That has to be down to placebo or microscopic differences in geometry.
As a mechanical engineer who has been at road cycling for decades and owned a fair amount of all materials.
1. Carbon is king for ride, handling and speed, energy management aka stiffness and weight due to superior strength to stiffness relative to weight and most importantly, differential frame section modulus aka a carbon frame can be molded to a preferred shape unlike Titanium.
2. Aluminum is better than Ti because it can be made lighter and hydroformed unlike Ti.
I would much prefer a CAAD13 frameset to your Ti bike. Both have a carbon fiber fork btw.
3. Ti is heavier than Aluminum but slightly stronger and so weight ends up being close but doesn't ride better than carbon fiber or hydoformed Al. That is a fallacy. Also Ti doesn't ride better than steel. Steel ends up being heavier and why it is the least preferred material.
My opinion as a material expert who understands frame materials and most importantly, mechanical engineering which is the nexus of material yield strength, modulus of elasticity, material density and most important, moment of inertia aka a frames propensity to bend based upon its wall section and its localized tube section shape in cross section which can be varied for both carbon fiber and aluminum but not Ti and Steel...afore mentioned is why major bike brands, Specialized, Trek, Giant, Bianchi, BMC, Cannondale...all of them... have carbon fiber and Aluminum at the top of their list. If Ti was preferred, top bike brands would make Ti frames because they aren't shy about overcharging the public for their bicycles. They don't.
Boutique voodoo.
This is really well reasoned. Salute.
Good intel! If I ever do an episode on frame materials, I’d like to have you join.
Well said. @PeakTorque is also an engineer, and he also debunks the myths of Ti frames. Re: Carbon, I've found some of the older carbon frames are better at dampening road vibrations (most likely because they were not so freakishly light, and had more carbon in the frame). Latest carbon frames seem too stiff and harsh IMO - the wall thickness is so minimal that there isn't much carbon to diffuse road buzz and there is zero flex. I'm also skeptical of the supposed benefits of hi-mod carbon for most riders - yes it's very strong, stiff and light, but not comfortable IMO. I've even read that some pros choose not to ride the hi-mod versions of their team bikes (although they don't make a lot of noise about it, for obvious reasons $$) You're correct about hydroformed Alu - I've got a Alu gravel bike that's fantastic to ride.
I own a Moots Vamoots CRD and is the best bike I have ever ridden.
Looks like an incredible bike.
Nice to some chatter on titanium. I have lynski with carbon fork and rims. I was expecting a bit more of a quality ride, but my other bikes are very nice as well. I put fater tires on for a better ride and want a suspension stem for poor quality roads. I did change the seat from a more expensive one to one more suited to my sit bones. The smoothest ride is my geurcotti aluminium by Alan in Italy. My carbon colnago is a very nice ride as well. I think titanium is still a good thing, but my current cycling is mostly on my electric ktm mountain bike on trails, which is a bit of a bus in comparison.
I think getting the bike after having a proper fitting is the best way to go and get good cycling shoes if you think you might get serious or want to get more out of your cycling.
Test the bikes, and you might be surprised where you end up. You might go up or down in budget to hit the sweet spot that is right and just ride it.
I have seen some busted carbon bikes and am glad if they have not been mine.
Cant any material be tuned to exhibit whatever the desired ride quality is?
Consider rubber, cheese, or even diamond or glass. Still think so?
Look up Young’s Modulus OP
yes and this has been proven, most of frame driven riding comfort is marketing nonsens
dude, I 'challenge' you to review Blackheart's All Road Ti frameset set up as an everyday/versatile road bike (not a race bike) with fast, light wheel/tire package (30mm tires). this frameset straddles the line between gravel bike/endurance road bike/'classic' road bike. again , not a race bike, just a really good, versatile everyday all-rounder that is quick and well mannered and about 18.5 pounds ready to ride.
I’m intrigued by it. I’ll reach out and see if I can demo one in the future.
@@outdoorbros_ no revelations; you'd conclude it's a quickish handling, light-gravel/all road bike that can work very well as a (non-race) road bike. I think it's noteworthy today because it's Ti and straddles light dirt and pure road duties very well.
@@seanmccuen6970 I’m on it. Thanks!
@@outdoorbros_ shameless admission; I own one, and it's my current primary bike!
@@seanmccuen6970 nothing shameless about it. Stoked for ya!
Nice looking Ti bike, I would’ve preferred it had a 27.2 seat post but you can’t have everything I gather it’s electronic only as it has a integrated handlebars and headset not the greatest for running mechanical it can be done internally but depends on how big the hole are from the head tube to the down tube Interested to know if it works on this bike good review 👍😊
I’ve got one, mechanical is a no go unfortunately. There isn’t clearance in the headset, nor is it set up for cable guides in the bottom bracket or drive side chain stay.
This is a pretty bike. I ride the Van Nicholas Skeiron on 28mm tires. Tbh, on 28mm, it doesn't ride much better than my caad13. But i just love the look of this bike. Not a fan of carbon ... Too fragile.
I cant agree that titanium absorbs bumps better than the carbon, because it flex less.
From an engineering point of view titanium, aluminium and carbon frames have exactly the same ability to absorb bumps. Which is to say, almost no ability at all. How smooth the ride is dominated by tyre choice and pressure. There is very little in the way of suspension from a traditional bike frame whatever the material it is. Seatpost design makes some difference, but it's mainly tyre choice and pressure.
@@TheNotSoFakeNews"dominated by tire and tire pressure"
I did an experiment on this with every component the same including frame geometry on 2 bikes: Titanium and steel.
As a test I used the exact same tires/psi and wheelset. To make it as uncomfortable as possible I used continental gatorskins at 100psi 25c on aluminum wheels with 17internal.
The Titanium bike both rode smoother and stiffer than the steel. Both frames were custom built to exact specs as close as possible. The steel was customized in every tubing used. The Titanium was limited to certain butting.
So in science yes the tires, wheels and psi make the ride not the material. But my testing of over 1k miles each...beg to differ.
Great experiment!
@@TheNotSoFakeNewswon’t absorb bumps but it absorbs vibration better for sure. At least this bike was more compliant then any carbon bike I’ve ridden
How does a properly packed carbon bike in a bike bag crack?
Oh jeez - watch any F-1 or Indy Car race 😅
Was likely in a cloth bike bag or cardboard box
wonder why road racers only choose carbon frames, none of the teams in tour de france or any other race use titanium. Maybe pricing?
All out speed. Not many stiff Ti bikes out there at 6.8 kg
Weight savings! Carbon gets lighter than they allow so they have to add weight. Also, aerodynamics in carbon shape over ti typical round. I have both ti and carbon and I wish I did the ti first and saved all the money on my carbon bike 😅
Agreed with @shadowboost. It’s a speed, weight and overall race performance decision to go with carbon.
Wow, that bike sounds a little unbelievable!!! Magical maybe?
It's simply a compliant road bike, what's magical about that?
@@plantsofwar8834 Did you watch the video? It's either magical or the bikes he is comparing it to were designed by the Flintstones!!! Sorry the accolades were a little over the top for any bike!
@@jimtro4403 yes I did. Nothing was over the top, he just described the experience of a compliant road bike, as it compared to the stiffer bikes he typically rides.
Did I say magical? I don’t go that far.
How about using titanium bike as gravel bike ? Sounds like perfect sense to me …? Wouldn’t you change your crux for something like this?
Looks like a great bike, but enough about the “magic Ti ride” already. Tires and geometry (and the carbon fork) play much bigger roles in how the bike rides than the frame material. As for “lifetime bike” - sure, as long as tech doesn’t leave it behind. My #1 ride is a 2000 Litespeed - a fabulous bike that was a bona fide “superbike” in its day, looks as good as new now and will likely last me the rest of my life. However - no disk brakes, limited to 25mm tires, and mechanical or full wireless shifting only (no Di2) so yes, a “lifetime” bike - but only if you except that it will ultimately become a technological dead end. And I say all this as a fully committed Ti fanboy
I wanna know how much it weighed
I want to say 18.25 pounds.
Looks nice, didn't know Titanium was more expensive than carbon :/
And carbon wears out.
Nice rig dude 👌😀🚴
@@petersouthernboy6327 wrong
@@petersouthernboy6327 that doesn't hold water. a well made carbon frame/fork with good QC and liberal material mass has an indefinite fatigue window and lifespan, even with big, hard miles. as for 'wearing out', you meant welded aluminum frames.
@@seanmccuen6970 let google be your friend on this one. I’m right.
I think this is one big commercial
Too much bro science in the vid. Guy is riding his test on carbon bars and says TI is smoother, says bike is twitchy because of the material and not the geometry. We can def do better than this...
It’s just a look at a good bike.
Noted.
cry
you've been brainwashed by carbon marketers
I own 6 TI bikes and no car
The frame material doesn’t matter for ride comfort, stop believing this marketing nonsense
LOL are you serious? Where did you read this for sure you don’t have real world experience!
@@hamedizzy5137 you sure as hell also believe in 5.1 surround sound headsets when its just all made up marketing. Now tell me I was wrong with that assumptions. Some things are just made up fairy tales that exist to sell them to you. Titanium is a nice material but if you buy a 5k Ti Frame for its comfort then you are just a victim of marketing lies and capitalism.
👏👏👏👍👍👍🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🚴🏻♂️🚴🏻♂️🚴🏻♂️
Moots.
carbon is not "delicate"
Anecdote experiences for me beg to differ....it's just my individual opinion but yes my carbon bikes cracked earlier than my steel or titanium. Carbon mtb is very durable, but these skinny thin walled road bikes aren't mtb durable
How would you describe it vs titanium?
carbon is very delicate in torquing and very strong when against the fibers.
OP, look up the notch sensitivity for carbon composites. If cut, carbon fibers - even in a cured epoxy laminate matrix, carbon fiber can be fragile.
This thing is good at one thing, and that’s descending. It’s so F’ing stiff that it will laser through any maneuver you want. Every other situation, very average. Like, an Allez Sprint is a better bike average.
I think your promoting your face than of the bike
ti ride quality has been universally debunked.
Have you ridden a ti bike?
@@redkeyspoke 2, both a buddies of mine, we all know that one guy right. Hes the reason I know this. Do you know why ti or a material like steel may feel nicer to ride. When you do then you'll see it's not the actual material itself, but I suppose you could say it's because of the material. Then there's the frame design itself which have very very little compliance as most of us know seat post deflection is the majority of compliance not the frame. Now if you think ti absorbs smaller vibrations from the road you're wrong because that won't make it past the tires. There's no magic involved it's simple science. The only trickery here is ti frame makers and buyers trying to justify the price, like most things in the bike industry it's just another noodle and meatball flex.
@@timtaylor9590 I'll admit I haven't ridden one, so thanks for sharing your experience. The video specifically discusses a segment of road and how it feels, so maybe the marketing is creating a placebo effect, or maybe makers build (using tube shapes, butting, profiles) titanium bikes to have a certain expected quality and so the rider tends to get what they expect. 🤷♂️
When it comes to material properties, from my understanding, some materials can be built to flex more without compromising absolute strength, e.g. aluminum bikes are inherently stiff, assuming they are built to withstand fatigue over long usage periods.
I'll admit I'm not sure how stiffness correlates to vibration transmission, though I do know that a nylon guitar string and a steel guitar string tuned to the same frequency will have different tone (which I believe is a function of harmonic frequencies). Maybe that has a subjective impact on what the rider feels?
BTW, grew up loving your show, Tool Man!
@@redkeyspoke right on. The tube size is the biggest factor on how a frame feels, this is why steel rides nicer than aluminum. And steel can get away with smaller tubes because of it's fatigue resistance whereas ti cannot. Interestingly ti is weaker than aluminum so to make it work for a bike frame they add aluminum to it. I'm not sure how much but it may not be hard to find that out.
I did an experiment on this with every component the same including frame geometry on 2 bikes: Titanium and steel.
As a test I used the exact same tires/psi and wheelset. To make it as uncomfortable as possible I used continental gatorskins at 100psi 25c on aluminum wheels with 17internal.
The Titanium bike both rode smoother and stiffer than the steel. Both frames were custom built to exact specs as close as possible. The steel was customized in every tubing used. The Titanium was limited to certain butting.
So in science yes the tires, wheels and psi make the ride not the material. But my testing of over 1k miles each...beg to differ.