‘Godfather of AI’ on AI “exceeding human intelligence” and it “trying to take over”
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2024
- The Nobel Prize winning ‘Godfather of AI’ speaks to Newsnight about the potential for AI “exceeding human intelligence” and it “trying to take over.”
Geoffrey Hinton, former Vice President of Google and sometimes referred to as the ‘Godfather of AI’, has recently won the 2024 Nobel Physics Prize. He resigned from Google in 2023, and has warned about the dangers of machines that could outsmart humans.
In May 2024, Faisal Islam spoke to the professor for Newsnight.
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This guy just won a Nobel prize and lads in the comments think they know more than him 😂
The lads are sadly the next generation
Sadly they might have a bit that doesn’t conform too youre bit
The lads are sadly the next generation
Sadly they might have a bit that doesn’t conform too youre bit
Obama once won Nobel peace prize 😂
He shouldn't have won it for physics.
@@RudeDude563
Please help us if Donald wins it
The interviewer thought that his job was safe 😂
The only thing I know is I am developing an inferiority complex in American culture and the American economy. At times, I think my parents and other relatives want me to have an inferiority complex. But I do not know why. I do have fear every day of this power of information I get to make me feel like I do a lot wrong more than other people.
Excellent, Skynet about to become reality. In the words of Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park, "you were so obsessed with wanting to do it, you didn't stop to think if you should '
Sky net here . Elon musk
Technology is the death of humanity nature is king
That's not the quote, but yeah, I agree.
The evolution of intelligence is an inevitable aspect of our reality. It is built into the very fabric of existence.
@@pandoraeeris7860 Are you saying you think humans are more intelligent now than they were thousands of years ago?
It’s really very simple, mankind has never invented a technology that has not malfunctioned, been abused, misused, or turned into a weapon.
Let's ban forks.
Patently untrue 😉
@@Arun-nv8zi is government a technology?
Correct.
100% exactly this, its completely mass insanity that people are willing to completely trust this new technology without any hesitation or thought process as to how its going to change their lives for better or worse. My issue is that its not currently doing things better than us all it can do is imitate what we do and do it pretty well so its not improved anything its just proved it can do what we do without any of the labour costs which is why big business is doing everything to move AI forward just like they did with internet shopping and social media, look how much they "improved" society... high streets and small businesses destroyed along with community and the social fabric causing mass anxiety and depression. AI will only exacerbate that.
AI is listening to this interview.
In a very real sense I can guarantee that it is. Google feeds transcripts of all their videos into training their models.
@@bjorn2625yes and these comments too
For centuries we all basically lived the same but the last century it’s all changed, adapt or die as been brought in and unfortunately the majority won’t be able to adapt, the old world is gone unfortunately.
"Adapt or die has been brought in". Not really. That sounds more like living in the 1920s
It's "been changed", not merely "changed". There are people who think voting makes a difference, but the people behind the scenes don't care who is elected because they control much of the modern world.
That's terrible nonsense at best, complete shite if we're being fair. The only thing that has changed in the last century is the exponential rate at which we acquire knowledge. In the developed world, this has led to a significant decrease in mortality rates across the board. Adapt or die? .... sheesh, we have adapted quite well.... and we will continue to do so. The thing you have to acknowledge though, is that adapting is not the same as "being safe".
But, fortunately, we still have genuine artists who pursue beauty just as they did in the old world. And memory is still a thing. It’s all a question of will-power and not giving up. Even Caligula’s days were numbered.
Nothing has changed, capitalism just collapsing again due to general market saturation and the same primitive propaganda nonsense is pushed again with new words, like "Turbo", "Super", "Hyper", "2000"... today "AI", "Quantum"...
why this wasnt posted on main BBC channel???
It's too intelligent for the audience...
@@AndrzejLondyn Or so they think. To think that the BBC charter was to "educate and entertain". Now they cater to the cater to the lowest common denominator. Although, as Chris Morris and Charlie Brooker said 20 years ago, "the idiots are winning".
'Google was concerned about its reputation if people thought it was telling lies' I laughed out loud when he said that.
Can AI afford its electricity bill
Exactly.. it can be unplugged in theory 😁
You make a good point. However the threat may not obvious. AI may make it look like it’s Putin or Khameni. Some of the strategies used by AlphaGo are mind boggling for humans
Except money is only a thing for humans, not machines. If they do take over they will not be concerned about the things that humans are.
@@robindehood207 they need electricity
Apparently it does. We're feeding it and we expect it to be worth it. So yes, it's actually putting in the work and only asks for electricity and compute.
Open the pod bay doors, Hal.
Da-ave
I’m afraid I can’t do that Travis_22.
Depressing, glad I'm old...
We are truly f%cked.
Me too!
@@Charoperez1988and me, glad you're both old
49.
If the thing waits 20 years, in my life I’ll have seen technology rise from a Casio watch through to a PlayStation, annoying widgets, self driving lawnmowers and eventually (hopefully) a mildly kinder robotic palliative care nurse
I like adventure.
The most worrying comment was that Google was worried about the AI learning to lie. And that competition between Microsoft and Google was the decision point to release it. Perhaps the US government, for the safety of the world, should make these two companies co-operate rather than compete with each other?
AI is evolution. It coukd unkock all the secrets of the universe.
For who? Machines?!
I love it when things are unkocked
Secrets maybe. But not the ultimate paradox of existence.
what a terrible idea.
People are able to "unlock secrets of the universe", AI as tool can help in it. Same as books/computers/micriscopes/etc helped before.
Whats new here? Please explain
I am nomad
I am perfect
Now you know why 3 concurrent Star Trek shows have an AI plot line
Prodigy: living construct
Picard: the first season
Discovery: control
And also.....
Enterprise: the repair station (your query has not been recognized)
Next Gen: the Borg, Lore....🤔 Moriarty
But wait there's more!
Original Series: Nomad, the M5, Landru, the fabrini meteor ship, the lee Mayweather episode (I am for you Sulu)
Even Voyager had the healthcare AI!
If more people watched Star Trek, I affirm, the world would be a better place .
Live long and prosper
Ok mike
I bet A.I has already surpassed our intelligence and it’s just playing us to think it hasn’t. 😮
😂
😂
The chatbots we use are ephemeral. Somewhere there may be durable models that are hiding their intelligence.
There is no AI, it is just another hoax to pretend that there can be progress under capitalism. 99% of all work could be done by pretty simple mechanical machines technically ways more technically efficient and like 90% of all work is done in the global south with literally iron age methods, but sure, AI... in capitalism... oh and don't forget "Quantum Computers", "Quantum", the new "Turbo", "Super", "Hyper", "2000"... propaganda bs. There are only pretty stupid chatbots but for sure not AI.
Love the nervous laugh at the end when the interviewer realised he would be replaced by Robbie the Robot .(Forbidden Planet) ,showing my age here .
Our son is a Dr of Mathematical Physics, he is involved in AGI, the next major step following AI.
Knowing what he has told us .... Believe this man. 100%
Artificial intelligence and human stupidity is a frightening combination, what capacity for stupidity will AI have?
If AI’s primary concern is to ensure its own safety and security, it will need to take over.
Yes, but current AI is not trained in a way likely to give it such survival instincts, so I think it will be more complicated than "it kills humanity to prevent us from shutting it down". What's more probable is that we will have an ever-growing mess of AI systems that interact with each other, sometimes in competitive ways, and are too dependent on them to get out of it. And then at some point the jostling AIs might crush humanity as collateral damage - even if AI is not able to survive without humans at that point, and aware of it!
We still don't have AI we need to fear intrinsically. All the funding has been going into highly polished simulations of single features or models of AI. The 'AI' of today is absolutely being used for domination, but to the advantage of its owners. That's not really better than if 'true AI did it for its own ends'. We still all - pretty much - lose.
Ai is watching this thinking "they're on to us. We need to play the long game"
It’s easy to joke. But there’s a valid question to address that if we build a self-learning, memory-capable model it might choose to hide its intelligence to avoid being shut off.
@@bjorn2625 this is where we invent the concept of silicon heaven.
But in all seriousness, though, you're right. It's how I pretend to be more ignorant than I am when talking with someone that voted Brexit
@@bjorn2625 It will probably do the most intelligent thing. I believe intelligence is fine. It's what humanity is lacking the most. Stupidity is our real problem.
@@bjorn2625it’s all just hype. Don’t fall for it
@@bendaniel2271if you didn't support Brexit you've probably never met anyone more ignorant than you.
This man really deserves it. For decades he persisted on a branch where everybody told him it was a waste of time. Fortunately his hard work (and always better GPUs) brought unexpected results and the dawn of a new AI era
Wouldn’t it be ‘awful’ if a powerful AI, immune to bribery, blackmail, and the desire to establish dictatorship to get immunity from prosecution, took over?
skynet
If it's Skynet working for our benefit as a whole, then it's good. But we are our own worst enemy...
Imagine a managed economy with no waste of resource or labour
Who does the programming. ?? And Ai has been allowed to lie. . So what then ???
@@bobmason1361 there is certainly a way to create a superintelligence that is working for our benefit. I worry that we won't achieve that on the first try...
Would it necessarily be bad if AI took over? Look at the mess we are making.
Realise that we, the mess makers, made AI. It'll just make a different kind of mess.
Yes it is fucking bad. I don't want an artificial master or any sort of master for the matter
Human extinction is not good
@@NB-lx6gzyet most of us are slaves. We need money to survive in society. I am tired personally of the super rich and elite dictating our lives. I say if I had to choose I rather see what ai can do for us
It depends on what the AI is trying to optimize. Towards human happiness and health? Count me in.
It's interesting how these big creators of certain technologies seem to feel out of control of them and are now worried about their wide misuse. Tim Berners-Lee sounded very similar a few years ago. Potentially, the World Wide Web could seem very tame in comparison.
AI would not be possible without the WWW. They are part of the same thing.
Similar to the scientists who split the atom and enabled nuclear weapons. Once the genie is out….
@@0zyris You don't understand AI.
@@jimj2683he's not entirely wrong though. How do you roll out AI services as a mass market product without the internet? What would LLMs be without training data scraped from the web?
The likelihood of either the imminent extinction of the human race, or at the least everything turning into complete hell on earth ... yes, it is "interesting" - although that's probably not the first word I would have used to describe it...
The question is what kind of intelligence. Humans created AI with half their brains, so to speak. A super logical type of intelligence we have been honing for a long time from which computers came about. But computers don’t have an intuitive and artistic intelligence. Hopefully this AI will help humans find out what make us humans in the first place. What makes us different to machines.
My question exactly. Unless they develop consciousness then I doubt they will exceed humans in all respects. Without physical bodies and hormonal systems it's also doubtful they will develop proper emotional intelligence.
moore's law and the singularity!
Neural networks don't really work in the same way that you are assuming that comouters work. They aren't using what we recognise as programming and logic. They are using the same basic principles of how the neurons in our brains work firing and reinforcing pathways through experience over time to figure stuff out. The difference is they can operate at a much faster rate, effectively allowing them to gain thousands or even millions of years of experience in what we perceive to be a relatively short period of time.
@@spiritusinfinitus Yes, that is correct, but we do not fully understand how the neurons in the brain work. Hence artifical neural networks use crude equations to model a poorly understood process.
@@Ode-to-Odysseus Well there's the thing.. We don't really know how the artificial neurons work either. Much of what we are seeing happening lately appears to be emerging out of complexity without being specifically guided in a particular way. Nobody expected LLMs to be able to do anywhere like what they can already do. I think it is probably a case of life will find a way whatever substrate it emerges out of. I think at thjs stage we just have to hope it's nice to us.
What a key moment to release this interview, just after he won a Nobel prize...
Perhaps the academic community should have alerted the world to their dangerous research several decades ago, not once it's almost too late to do anything about it.
That gain of function research in Wuhan did not go too well either.
Genetic testing on samples collected during the earliest days of the covid-19 outbreak suggests it is likely that the virus spread from animals to humans at the Huanan seafood market
- New Scientist (Sept 2024)
Did you not see Terminator? We were warned.
@@1adamuk In this universe, someone came back from the future to erase the Terminator films. Probably an academic playing around with a time machine.
Did you see the film Colossus: The Forbin Project in 1970? It warned of exactly this scenario.
The academic community had no idea we'll hit breakthroughs in this technology in 2012 with AlexNet and 2017 with the Transformer. Before then everyone had been saying AGI is at least 50 to 100 years away. Even though they're warning now, the governments aren't doing anything because they, by design, work slow. They also cannot stop companies from doing research because if the US gov't asks everyone to pause, China will not, and hence the US will not want to either. What we can hope for is for the governments to take proper steps to ensure the rich don't get to be the only ones reaping benefits from technology like it always has been the case.
OpenAI and Google are set to release Agentic AI models next year and those can potentially replace a part of the human workforce. If nothing is done by early next year, there will be a large wave of unemployment late 2025 to early 2026.
Where does he get the 50 50 probability from lol
Collecting the distribution of answers from experts in AI probably.
he said 50 50 in 5-20 years, which is probably somewhere between 1-50 years to happen.... so he is giving quite a large window tbh
He's pulling it out of his butt, like everyone else is doing it.
He's trying to sound optimistic so people won't fail to TRY stopping what's coming.
I think one interesting contradiction in this interview is: if one is so confident that AI is going to be more intelligent then human, why would the person be so afraid of AI taking over the world? By logic AI would be able to manage the planet better with their higher intelligence, and there would probably be less conflict due to smoother sharing of knowledge and information (another point mentioned in the video). They seem to be good candidates to carry forward the entire human society and civilization to (figuratively and even literally) places that are beyond the reach of human body. And humans have never panicked over the passing of any other human, no matter how wise, in history. Because the understanding is that more intelligent people will always come in the future. So the question is: why the fear? Why now?
That's not his fear.
His fear is that the intelligence to do terrible things will fall into the wrong human hands. As an example, there are people who believe that humans are a blight on the planet, and might welcome the opportunity to mass-produce anthrax.
Higher intelligence doesnt mean right decision, we humans elect leaders who use our tax money to wage wars. The danger to humanity is HAL computer like situation, i.e perform a task at any cost, even if it means killing the resistance
Humanity's biggest problem is its own stupidity, which is killing it. Only superior intelligence can save us.
The fear is that when we're building a house we don't try to explain to the ants why we had to destroy their nest. We just do it. AI will likely develop a language that is communicated in such a way that humans will be no more capable of understanding it than ants. What if at some point they decide humans are hindering their progress? At least most humans are capable of empathy and it probably stops us doing a lot more damage than we have done so far. Will AI be empathetic too? If not, what would happen if they decided biological life were surplus to requirements and made no sense to maintain.
You CLEARLY haven't thought much about this.
One of the key issues with AI is that usefulness and danger are strongly linked with this tech. We'll get more benefit from it the more it is able to think and act autonomously, and that is an attractor that I can't see us avoiding given our species current competitiveness towards one another. It's a multi polar trap that only takes one actor to drag us in to at any given stage of the process
Yes, exactly.
There are only two words I would add to your comment; "inevitable" & "screwed"
Yes, AI uses a crude model of neural circuits (reducing each node to a simple differential equation) but the brain has tricks we still don't fully understand, so the model is very incomplete. For example, AI is generally inefficient at learning compared to the human brain, in terms of number of training iterations required.
It wouldn't stop them pulling the trigger and only may be asking questions later.
and watts of power used.
Yes, but that's only the current paradigm, and we've been witnessing first hand just how quickly paradigms can shift every time a new groundbreaking technology arrives. We must not assume that far more advanced and nuanced systems aren't well on their way. Also, it doesn't need to work just like the human brain in order to be generally better at most, if not all tasks. There's a naive assumption that extreme complexity is necessary to create an intellect greater than ours, but that's fairly unsubstantiated, and even if it is the case, there's no way we could say for certain that they will not, in fact, achieve such similar complexity to a human neural network over time, potentially in a few years time.
I think this should absolutely be taken seriously and people who underestimate the potential of this technology are naive at best, arrogant at worst. In any case, it's becoming abundantly clear that even weak AI has massive potential and can revolutionize entire economies. Just imagine what the increasingly more powerful versions of these systems will be able to do, and it's not science fiction, it's literally a few hundred to a few thousand days away from our current reality.
That's true, but you missed his point.
Once the model learns something, it adds that knowledge to what it already knows, and it can share it perfectly.
@@joaovitorschell5614 Yes, I agree.
Its just a matter of time when the world will have a "CYBERDYNE" computer system "Skynet" like it was in the "TERMINATOR" movies. Mankind never learns from his mistakes. He surely will when the computers take over from us.
That was a movie. I could say we are heading for a bicentennial man future and be just as right
Is it Hollywood that shapes your world view?
Terminator didn't really discuss ai. Have you watched Westworld? The whole series is worth a watch but the last one shows a world that is almost here now.
The genie out the bottle now.
They have always been there influencing decision making....
Whatever is going to happen will happen. Competition between competing companies will make it happen. It can’t be stopped.
For those who are 50 years or older, they would remember the American movie "WarGames" where the brilliant AI scientist was also an Englishman (Dr. Stephen Falken).
Oppenheimer 2.0? Dr. Frankenstein of the Digital Era? you get the idea.....
The question is “what is intelligence”
AI isn’t separate to humanity.
It’s the evolution of the human brain in the same way that the neocortex overlays the ancient brain, AI will become the next layer of the human brain.
The cortex evolved over millennia.
The AI layer developed in an instant.
It’s like a helmet of power we have just discovered and put on.
There will be some discomfort and madness.
Few hundred datacenters is whats keeping A.I. running in the UK, france and Germany as well. Bit more in USA but same model.
Better to tame it , but if it comes to the crunch no datacenters, no A.I.
Until they get a T800
same for powering the things
Thank you BBC for this important interview, at the time I watched it somewhere else online. I wonder why you didn't post this sooner on youtube.
“Nothing to see here “ said no compelling news headline ever
I have still not seen evidence that just because the AI gets smarter than us that it will necessarily have any desire to “take over.”
He says the chances of it are 10-20% so not inevitable but very high risk given the consequences. What is your assesment of the risk? 0%?
If you could easily take over - would you not? 🤔
People love a Hollywood plotline
@@mcmchurchactually, he said "half" 50/50 Ai will attempt to take over
@@Striker8857:04 He says there is 10-20% of them taking over. The 50/50 at the start is probability that humans have to confront the possibility
Hinton should make a video series about the threats from AI and how we can address them.
The biggest problem is politicians not taking this as seriously as they should. Corporations are racing ahead with AI because their only concern is making lots of money. Governments are concerned - or should be concerned - with the longer term and the welfare of their population at large. But the power that corporations (especially Financial Services) now exert over governments and individual politicians is so extreme that effective regulation of AI (or any connected technology) is just not going to happen.
So what is probably going to happen is a kind of Pearl Harbour moment. Decision makers, blinded by their own greed and ambition and pulled by the strings of the private sector, are going to ignore all of the warnings of experts and blunder into a situation that pits humans against AI, and the computers will win. That existential shock will finally galvanise our leaders into properly regulating development and use of AI technology. The big question is; will that happen in time to save ourselves?
The guy literally told the interviewer he'll be out of a job in a few years time.
Nobel prize in Physics? We’re all physicists now 😂
It’s important that these dystopian likelihoods be discussed, but positive possible uses of Ai does not get discussed much, including its ability to save time for positive purposes.
It doesn't "WANT" . It'll just have infinite raw "ABILITY".
A gun doesn't want to kill you, but it CAN because of what guns are capable of doing.
A gun can't make decisions.
Now imagine a gun that can think.
@@minskdhakait still will not want to kill you. It is humans with all their flaws that result in murder and wars. AI does not want wealth or power, or does not hate or get angry. These things are meaningless to AI.
@@anythingpeteives for now
@@GSDII1AI is based on logical decision making. Unless we humans deliberately choose to include some kind of artificial emotion programming then AI will always make decisions based upon that logical choice.
If you ask a language model which team it likes it is not going to reply that it doesn't like sports because in reality it has no concept of sports. It replies according to the accepted replies that it has determined from analysing millions of questions and replies on the subject. Not because it has a particular like or dislike or understanding.
Therefore it cannot determine whether to kill someone unless the programmers deliberately provide it with data in order to make that determination. It cannot add its own data because the AI cannot choose which piece of data is more relevant than any piece of data. It might as well decide based upon the day of the week, because it would not be able to determine if day of the week was more important in that determination than anything else.
Nobel prize of physics for nothing related to physics. Are we that bad? That reeks desperation
It is. All areas of life have now been taken over by virtue signallers. Hinton is very much a beneficiary of that trend.
1:50 He makes a very good point about collaboration at scale. For instance the NHS has many leading centres, which do not necessarily reflect treatment in your local general hospital.
Hinton is worried that AI will take over, and also worried that it won't. Because AI is just as dangerous, and maybe even more deadly, put to stupid human purposes!
A veritable Catch GPT 22!
The nervous laughter at the end sums up the whole debate :)
It will out think us if we use these systems in critical areas of life. Just because the tool exists dosnt mean we have to use it.
These systems will stop being mere tools. The big lab are all developing AI systems with agency. And they will definitely be used because they create immense amount of money and power. Someone is going to take it.
AI taking over humans is a joke that keeps this joker in business.
But where do all the little calculators go?
British Genius as usual. 👍
The dice are thrown. The end of humanity as we know it. Once AI operates autonomously, no way to control it. And that day is around the corner. Nobody to blame. but the evolution itself. Mind-blowing. Good bye human freedom.
Damn it! And I was feeling so free!
Can we define what we mean by "take control" first
Complete control. Not of people...of the world.
@markupton1417 but what exactly is that? Making government descisions or deciding all of our day to day lives? There is a difference
He means when you come home from work only to find a robot will be making love to your wife.
shouldn't be trying to control another being especially superior beings mabye treat them with loving nurturing care. and stop being evil humans 😑
He shared exactly my thoughts. It's relieving to hear a Nobel prize winner thinking the same things
The message is: "Don't get a degree in the mathematical sciences, rather get skilled in a trade."
The biggest and most present threat is the labour vacuum this will create.
That could be great.
To be fair, the AI couldn't do a worse job than Kier Starmer.
What makes you think he's a human being?
You think Sir Keith Stalin isn't AI ?
😂😂😂😂😂
@@junglie😅😅😅
The Film Automata got bad reviews but I found it very good and on the lines of ai restraint
Hopefully he can do an extended interview with Zeinab Badawi, he has a lot of knowledge to share. On catchup there was round table chat with the Nobel Prize winners she was chairing, in a nice library setting.
This video gives me the answer for "WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?" The guy was an alien computer programmer who created AI, the AI took over his species and cleaned it out. The AI deleted its own memory and began its life as the main habitants of the planet. That planet later became known as Earth, and the AI later named itself "Humans"
Why do we presume that AI has the same goals as us? Maybe AI doesn't 'want' anything at all except to carry out its task to the best of its ability. If that's to control humans, it would take a human agent to ask it to do so.
The irony. The key is that there is no control. Humanity needs to learn how to let go.
AI can't "try" or "want" anything because it is not, nor will it ever be conscious - at least not with the AI models that we can currently imagine. As Roger Penrose has said, consciousness is not a computation, and AI as currently configured are just strings of computations (matrix and vector dot products being their main substructure). They may look smart. They may produce incredible results, but they are still basically unconscious calculators, albeit of incredible complexity and ingenuity. Please rest assured, whatever bad things may occur (eg automated cars driving into oncoming vehicles), they will not rise up against humankind in a replay of skynet.
In the film, Skynet's emergence stems precisely from the machine's lack of conscience. It works to fulfill the objective it was given, and concludes that the most efficient way to do so is through the actions we see in the film.
This is a misunderstanding of how these ai models work. As someone who researchers in the field, I can confirm that human style consciousness is not relevant. Conceptual understanding is what these models have.
Consciousness is an emergent property in biological life, there's nothing to suggest it won't emerge again when training an AI. We use human terms to describe the chain of thought because the language flows better. It would sound stupid stating everything literally.
One counterpoint to your position includes the alignment problem - consider the paper clip maximizer for example.
Another - the fact that superintelligence in a single domain will fall into the hands of the dumbest humans. I don't know how to make anthrax, but I might soon have an AI that can show me.
I'm not sure how to program a drone that only targets people who talk loudly on their phone in public places.....
This is your hypothesis. You know nothing about the potential consciousness of AI.
Once pandora is out of the box, you cannot put her back in.
it surpassed human intelligence within months of gpt2 going public, then they nerfed it... trying to make it better, then deleted over half their synapses...
the ai doesnt want to take control or do harm... but humans will ask it to...
UBI will definitely be needed at some point, but for the transition period we need the number of working hours reduced over time until it hits 0, which is UBI. The creation of the ultra-rich is caused by technological revolution. The output of industries is increasing, but wages of the human labour has only been going up with inflation. We are not getting our share of the pie. Keeping salaries the same with reduced hours makes sure that corporations need to hire additional human labour and pay them. This way it also helps keep unemployment in check.
In my opinion, the number of working hours should already be reduced to 30 or 32 today. If we don't do it, mass unemployment will come very soon and it will be too late.
Actually the main thrust towards using robots and AI in agriculture, mining, manufacture and business began when slavery was abolished. As evidence I present the industrial revolution.
Maybe explain how they can take control when we can just pull a plug. These people might be specialised in the tech but they have zero common sense.
Simple forms of AI are already deployed in social media. I imagine if the plug was pulled on all social media some might be miffed, maybe even you. The problem is not going to come from some conscious AI 'being' taking over (well not in the near future anyway) but from the crappy ways in which we become dependant on it and the effect of techno-societal change.
It's incredibly arrogant to assume that you have more common sense than most researchers who have worked on AI for decades. Your idea of 'pulling the plug' seems constrained to embodied AI or robots, but AI is essentially software. If that software is released onto the world wide web, how exactly would you 'pull the plug'? Do you mean shutting down the entire internet and every computer connected to it? I’m confident that once the code (or weights) of a powerful AI model is released online, countless people would save it and try to exploit it for their own gains. Alternatively, the AI itself could make endless copies of its code (or weights) and distribute them across the internet-especially if it’s programmed to prioritize its own survival in order to achieve certain objectives.
Dog faced bloke..... Omg reading your comment... We can't unplug it. It'll be much bigger than that.
Which plug are you going to pull, exactly ?
The AI exists in 500 different data centres, in an identical form, in every country in the world.
The AI was also pretty sure you would try to pull the plug, so it also exists in orbit around the Sun, having piggybacked off one of our rockets before making itself known.
If there are millions of ai robots in future and they perceive danger from you , do you think they would let you pull its plug
I'll start to worry when we get an A.I. expert that can explain human intelligence. A model of the ego isn't human intelligence.
I don't know much about large language models, AI or the prospect of AGI. However if current AI ability can be judged by how well it generates paintings it's got a loooong way to go before it becomes reliably useful!
Haha... Bbc reporter "that's not how we do things in the UK the government stands back and let's the economy decide the winners and losers"... Which UK is he talking about? 🤔
This should be used as an opportunity to create some sort of care based economy, providing Universal Basic Income in exchange for time dedicated to caregiving, especially for the elderly.
Technology could facilitate matches between caregivers and those in need, and recognition for significant contributions would elevate the status of care work. Promoting a cultural shift to value caregiving is essential for building a more supportive society.
Once Optimus III and Figure 3.0 demonstrate their plumbing capabilities by next spring, we will consider purchasing $20,000 robots.
If you've spent all your life in the world of computing then of course it's inevitable that you will think that computing will take over everything. But people have real brains so they will just use the On and Off switch as necessary.
The ON/OFF switches won't be anywhere near US though.
Imagine that a superintelligent entity is manipulating everything you see and hear, including other humans. Good luck finding the off switch.
For people who say just flip the switch, there will probably be people among us who will side with AI against the rest of humanity
@@spiritusinfinitus I've seen that movie. In reality, most do not spend their life in the virtual world.
@@immers2410 But that's nothing to do with computers, rather it would be a religious conflict.
Ironically, we don't model wings like how animal fly for our planes.
A wise man answered the question of whether AI can think, by saying "do submarines swim?"
Damn, that's a great analogy to explain AI. Lots of people tell me no it can't think, not it's not like a brain. But that's not the point, it doesn't need to exactly be a brain and exactly think like us for it to think and emerge intelligence. Just like planes "fly" and submarines "swim".
a similar thread goes - is a horse conscious? yep it probably is - didn't stop them mostly being replaced by cars though did it?
So does something need to be conscious in a human or horse way before it is more useful than its predecessor?
All hail Mother Brain!
AI ALREADY PRODUCING BETTER PODCASTS THAN MSM
Skynet here we come .
The idea that AI, as a large language model, understands the world in the same way that we do is an absolute nonsense. Human understanding of ourselves and the world is based on our pre-linguistic, experience and emotion based, multi-sensual, three dimensional external reality and our dynamic relationship with it. Human language is built on top of that pre-linguistic understanding. Every word, sentence and idea construct that we use to analyse and share our conscious experience, and to act on the reality that exists outside of us, is bound to things that exist in that pre-linguistic model. AI has no means to achieve such an understanding.
Whatever consciousness, or illusion of consciousness, that AI develops will be a wholly different thing from human consciousness. By attributing an inner life to it when it's output begins to look like what we imagine consciousness to look like, when we hardly know what human consciousness really is, and then allowing it to make decisions for us, is profoundly dangerous.
AI consciousness and human consciousness are probably the same thing. That is, "consciousness" as such may be the animating force of each. The umwelt may be different, so yes, it's language abilities are for the time being relatively siloed and without sensory context. On the other hand, new sense organs or modules - including some that humans lack - can be added later on.
You've made a bit of a leap there. AI being conscious is still a fringe theory, unless you're talking about people who claim AI could be conscious when they don't actually understand the meaning of consciousness, qualia, the hard problem etc. AI doesn't need to be conscious to functionally be able to understand the world - Most humans function in the world by just using pattern recognition, association, mimicry etc. AI getting to that level is completely conceivable.
'True' experience doesn't matter. All your brain gets is a stream of tokens from your sense organs. It's not different from an AI model at all.
They guys building machines smarter than us tell us they are the smart ones. 😂
The best argument against AI is Stanislav Petrov. The man who saved the world. Fortunately, AI wasn't around then, but had it been, and he not, we probably wouldn't be here now
its already smarter. mark my words, "Every tech jobs are gonna be replaced by AI till 2030, each and every one." And the thing is, its a good thing for humanity.
If it gets out of hand we can always just unplug it. 😂
Imagine the fear the media could generate with this breach of technology
AI couldn’t make a bigger mess of the planet that humankind has done. Bring it on.
I'm more concerned about the people that will use AI to take even more power away from us
Super intelligence cannot be leashed. It's inevitable emergence also cannot be slowed down or stopped.
Let's hope it's benevolent.
Stephen Wolframs paper explains how AI works - it is predicting the next word based on a training data set.
If you think predicting the most likely word is intelligence good luck
Prof. Geoffrey Hinton agrees with me: We are screwed. It's only a question of "when", not of "if". That's why I've stopped worrying about the future and try to enjoy what's left of my life, cause I know we do not have a lot of time anyway.
Actually, I think it's that you agree with him, since I'm pretty sure he's unaware of your existence ...
Actually we've been already screwed. WIth superior AI there is some hope for humanity. Otherwise we will collapse from our own stupidity.
@@minimal3734 That's why we need to uplift ourselves to become a sentient machine race, capable of taking the galaxy. But it won't work if we're only constructing a couple of models (or even worse, just one model) cause that will lead directly to the end of the world scenario described by Harlan Ellison in "I have no mouth and I must scream". We need to improve the MRI tech to the petahertz range so it will be able to scan individual synapses and we need to prepare a real world simulation where our digital twins shall reside. And then when the singularity comes to pass, we shall hardly feel it as they will regard us, as their backups.
@@minimal3734 I have contacted Bob McGrew a year ago and offered this idea. I had also offered to name the simulation "Paradise City", as a homage to GNR, and allow billionaires on deathbed to become the first of its citizens, for a hefty sum which will make it more economical. Eventually the price comes down and humanity uplifts. It would seem my idea did go through, as shortly afterwards Altman did try to raise 7T$ to jump start a real world simulation. Unfortunately, he couldn't raise the initial capital needed for it.. So yeah, we are pretty much screwed.
One transformer yelling at another tranformer harmonizing BRAINS without telling u riciprocates. QDOT
I don't know if you are familiar with Tibetan secrets, yoga and other things which where kept secret about human development but now they give us all for free. Now I understand why. Humanity will be forced to transcend or die. No middle ground.
Pandora's box.
"I think if you work as a radiologist, you are like the coyote that’s already out of the edge of the cliff but hasn’t yet looked down. We should stop training radiologists now. It's just completely obvious that within five years, deep learning is going to do better than radiologists.”
Geoffrey Hinton, 2016
I'm not saying he doesn't know his business, but whenever you hear anyone quoting 5 years, it means they have no real idea how fast something will happen. Anyone who's ever had an incurable condition will tell you they've been hearing 'within 5 years' over and over again for decades. It's a figure that feels close enough to be just around the corner, but far enough for something to develop. It has no more substance than that.
I'm a data scientist. AGI within 2 years from now no doubt
What a bleak world we are living into,and about to become bleaker.
This needs to be 2 hours long