Costco is currently selling a TD-25K-SC setup (item 1381159) that comes with an extra post for a 3rd cymbal for $1699. I bought it last fall and am very happy with it, except for the fact to it went on sale 90 days later for $200 less. :/
I agree with you 100%. I just got the TD-17KVX a week ago and it is a great kit . I had to wait 3 weeks for it on backorder. I was offered the TD-25K for the same price ( I paid $1580 ) if I did not want to wait. But I wanted that 12in snare and 3 cymbals , plus the new module. I am so glad I waited !! When you start layering sounds , this thing really comes to life !!
I bought the td25k maybe 7 years ago. I got 3 cymbals though. My module is the one pictured at 2:40 td25kv and same kick drum. I do think i paid $2,500 for the kit, had to purchase hi-hat stand, my double kick pedals, amp separately. In over $3,200. I dont think my module is available anymore. I love the thing but i nothing to compare it to and Im 53 just love to play along with my 80s rock in the basement
I like mine also...but i bought mine used for 700 at a pawn shop 5 years ago and it came with a high hat stand and a Gibraltar double kick and a nice dw thrown...i replace my td3 and never looked back,,, sold that for 500....I bought a extra tom for 50 some place....i wish the drum module was more computer friendly its a pain in the ass loading new sounds .... That said its easy to just midi this to my Daw and use endless drum sounds there...Wish roland would figure a way out to make the snare and Kick feel more real...to me that is the worst part of these
I got a td-25kv Dec 2017, and it has converted me from acoustic to electronic drums. The more manual interface on the module has been a big plus for me. Simple, sturdy, reliable drum kit that I can operate at a gig. Having said all that TD-17 is what I would buy today.
@@stephenhughes5156 hey Stephen, KVX is a great option. I did not know about it at the time, and I got mine just over $2k, so price would be a factor as well. It's funny because I ended up trying to build a kit more like the kvx in the end. You can see what I can't up with on IG @djatldrums If I was looking now the kvx would be hard to pass up.
@@DavidJenkinsDrums Awesome, thanks! I dont suppose you have any thoughts on KVX vs Alesis Strike? I would probably go with the Strike, but it seems to have issues with the hi hat, and Rolands tend to more durable anyway, but of course the Strike has the size factor (and possibly other things). In any case, it helps that you think the KVX is worth the extra investment over KV, so cheers for that!
@@stephenhughes5156 Hey Stephen, I have not played the Strike, so I really can't say. Overall Roland has good resell value, which is becoming more important now that I am buying stuff then trying to trade up. Having said that, the TD-25 module resell value has actually dropped quite a bit, but the drums and pads you get with KVX will hold value better than other brands. Good luck, and post on here when you get your kit please. -DJ
DJATL Drums Thanks! Tbh, I think I’ll end up going with the strike. I just think it’d be awesome to wail away on those bigger pads/cymbals. Plus I think the updates have fixed most of the issues (though I suppose there is still the issue of Alesis reputation for durability- which might be ok with the right warranty). I think the best thing to do though would be to try them out. Funnily enough, I think these two kits might have been the two kits I tried out when I randomly went to a music store a few months back. But probably need another go before making my purchase. Cheers pal!
I got my TD-25KV back in February for $2200 delivered. Was that worthwhile,? What’s funny is that it’s still brand new, boxed, in my garage. Too busy working to set it up and play, but I will. 😆
This is an incredibly helpful resource for someone looking into getting their first ekit! I’m a professional musician who’s looking to move into a townhouse so this has given me a new perspective in what to look at!
Agreed. I use my edrums for quiet practice or cool effects on my songs, I prefer acoustic kits for many reasons, but again, they’re too loud. And I’m not gonna buy any quiet cymbals or dampeners, I don’t like the feel. I have some cheaper, but still very nice edrums, got a used Yamaha DTX502 for a steal, and I think it does exactly what I need, I practise on acoustic kits when I’m waiting for a gig to start and use my edrums for about anything else.
Thank you for your frank and honest opinions. I am getting back into drumming after a 40 year hiatus. Simply wanting v drums to enjoy for myself and play to music. I appreciate your hard work. It's been very helpful.
I totally agree with your point and that’s why I bought a td17kvx and I could not be happier, I have been playing in pubs weekly with it in my band and it does the job perfectly.
I think its still worth it. Personally, if I were to get the td-17(any tier), id upgrade every drum pad on there. Once you upgrade the bass drum, you’re gonna have to upgrade your drum rack too. Or, you can just buy the td-25kv for 2500 bucks, upgrade nothing and (arguably) have better sounds. Just my opinion:) -love the channel! You got the best e drumming info in the world!
Love it!! The reason that Roland is still keeping the TD-25 Drum sets at a high price point is because they're insist on keeping ridiculously high MSRP's on the individual pieces - like those crappy PD-85 pads for over $200 each! And even worse, the PDX-6 is still $130! Who the F!@# is buying a brand new 6 inch drum pad for $130??? And the reason why the the TD-25KVX is $4000 is because they insist on selling that kick drum for over $1000. It's so insane and I don't know why they can't lower the prices on these pads, especially the ones that they've been selling for years and are so clearly less of a value than what many other brands are offering. You should do a video about those PDX-6/8 pads and why Roland is still (1) using them in their drums sets and (2) selling them for so much compared to other pads you can buy individually on the market. Another Idea for a video that I just had is about the different kinds of pre-made acoustic-size electronic kick drums on the market and what is the best deal.
Electronic drums give you the low volume high tone and control to play dinner clubs where there are marriage proposals and bussiness meetings. And when to crowd shifts from food to drinks you have the volume turned up.
I got the 17 one month ago. It is great. The Bluetooth feature seemed to me like the cowbell, we just have to have it, BUT now I do not need to turn on my laptop to play music along, which is great.
Justin, it's two years later (December 2020) and with all the options for downloadable sounds by Drum-Tec for around $40 per edition, is a used TD-25kv a better buy than a TD-17kvx if the 17 is $300 more? I guess what I'm asking, overall, if the toms are better on the 25, what would be the setback of the 25 vs the 17 since Drum-Tec has created some killer sounds?
I NEED HELPPP!! theres a seller selling his 2 year td 25k for 2500sgd (originally was 3499 sgd) while brand new 17 kvx costs 2299sgd. but do note that a td25k for 2500sgd comes with everything you need, gilbrater double pedals, drum throne, floor isolation mat even while a NEW 17kvx does not come with kick pedal and drum throne, just basic. after seeing this video, you metioned you would get a 17kvx fresh from the store instead of a 25kv. so which which would you get, considering the price point and additional drumware included for the 25kv? THANKS any reply would be much appreciated!!
I just snagged a Roland TD25KV brand new in the box for $1200, very happy with the purchase! Eventually I want to replace the snare with the snare from the TD17.
I bought a TD25KV for $1300 in excellent condition a few months ago. It's the one with the two PD85's and two PD105's. I love it. I got a Simmons DA200s and a Roland Noise Eater double kick pedal for it as well. Very fun to jam on. Killer pedal by the way. Every bit as good as my Iron Cobra 900 power glide double kick. Roland delivers the goods
Thanks for the video, it's great! How would you rate a TD-25KV against the TD-17KVX (1st gen) nowadays in the used market assuming they are sold for the same price?
2 weeks ago I was in this dilemma. I needed to decide between the TD17KVX or TD25KV. Sincerely I did not know what to justify for the 25KV knowing that it is a previous generation, the differences between the modules and maybe the bass drum and the hi-hat. But I did not take into account for MIDI recording, it seems to me that the 25KV has superiority over the 17KVX. Not only because of the positioning sensor in the snare drum, very late (unfortunately), I read the difference between 3 layers vs. 2 layers of the 17KVX. The 17KVX is here and (let me tell you) that the shipment is international, when it has arrived in my country we find that the rack box has been left in the store (personally retired in a Guitar Center shop in Miami). Maybe next week, the rack arrives. I hope that for the work of the recording through VSTi, I have not made a bad choice and this is a great kit. How I would have liked to see this video among other articles before to decide.
Hey man great video! I’m really thinking about getting the td17kvx but I don’t have a chance to play it. One thing holding me back is the snare. I play a lot of island style reggae which requires you to switch from rim shots to cross sticks between verses and choruses. If there’s anyone who’s played these sets and knows it inside and out it’s you! This brings me to my question, can the snare on the td17kvx play both rim shots and cross stick sounds on one setting? Or do you have to play one setting with a rim shot sound and then stop/switch to a cross stick setting? Thanks in advance man!
I got my td 25k for 1200 at guitar center. It was their last in stack and a floor model. I didn't know how pricey they were until after I had looked it up. So lucky I got that opportunity!
ugh, bought a 25kv 15 months ago...I think after you recommended it lol. But what I was looking for was the td-17, it just didn't exist at the time. I was upgrading from my Alesis Nitro and didn't want to upgrade twice. I'm still happy with my 25kv, it's an amazing kit and I've spent several hundred hours on it. Like you said though, if it was today, I would have just ordered the 17 most likely. I will say I love the simplicity of the 25 brain with how good it sounds. Can you talk about the brains of the kits? One of the things that I love about my 25kv were the sample/kits I bought from vexpressions. I'd love if you could talk about those as well, or better yet, could you discuss loading kits like those into a brain for a topic at some point? Is there software you can use on your computer to load kits faster or easier than doing one at a time into each sound bank?
Hola justin! Aqui un seguidor fiel desde Argentina. Muchas gracias por estos reviews tan espectaculares! Si consigues la td 17kvx al mismo precio que la td 25k , ?que harías?
Kinda sad that Rolland is doing this. It's been said numerous times I'm sure, but Rolsky needs to drop 1500 from every kit they're selling now. Makes me just wanna avoid them altogether when getting a new e-kit.
Been thinking of selling my Roland td 25kv (purchased 3 years ago when came out) and embrace the acoustic-to-electronic conversion road. If new it costs 2500$, what would be a fair price for a used kit that still looks like new?
Yoyoyo I am drum lover from hong kong I have purchased a roland TD-25KVX In about 3125usd when converted to usd It is worth it when it cost 3125(Christmas offer) Or should a buy another module replace TD25 What a great spec i dont want to waste it Also,any upgrade for 25kvx,cymbol/tom?for better playing experience Hope you can answer my question Any kvx owner hv a bit upset after this vids, say hi below Lol
I have the td17 top of the line and love it. I had the td20 for 8 years and was never satisfied with snare or ride cymbal sounds. Sold it for $1500 and bought the td17 new for the same amount a year+ ago and feel it does a great job on everything but the small toms and does a good job on those.
Hey 65drums: would you consider making a video on how to make electronic drums sound more realistic using the Roland TD 11 module ? The stock kits suck and i have no idea how to tinker with the settings. i also have no money to purchase expansions so manual tinkering with the module is the only choice I have. Help a brother out? Cheers
I want to use Superior Drummer 3 with a drum set that has positional sensing so I can get the full potential out of the sounds from SD3. But I only have around 2500$... what should I buy?
My friends just brought a TD17KVX and i tried it to compare with my TD15KV. TBH I don’t believe the 17 use the same sound engine with the 25 series even though Roland said so because the sound is obviously different. And the snare sensor is not as sensitive as the 25’s despite bigger. It cannot recognizes my rim hit and head hit correctly. I do not know if any adjustments are wrong but it obviously not as good as 25 s.
i had this exact problem - td-25 or td-17 - i decided that the 17kvx was a better deal: newer module, larger snare, better hihat... so I went that direction i am a not professional drummer or studio so stereo audio and midi out was all i needed.
I love the snare on the TD25 where the 12 inch one on the TD17 is just meh for me. I’m conflicted between the TD25K and the TD17KVX. Would also be okay with only 2 cymbals. Tough choice lol
So difficult to extend it with more pads or cymbals, it doesn' t even have a MIDI IN plug.... OK for practice at high price for high quality. Now looking for the new TD-27.
I totally agree with you! From a professional drumteacher´s perspectiv the TD-17 KVX is the better buy! I had to choose a e-drum set 1 1/2 years ago for my new teaching studio. I bought the TD-50 because especially the module of the TD-25 is a overpriced toy for me. Let´s make a comparission of the topversion of the TD-25 and the TD-50-K. The TD-50 K costs roundabout 1000 $ more than the TD-25 topversion. For me it´s a nobrainer that these 1000 $ more are worth it to spend! And next year I´ll replace my TD-4 students drumset with the TD-17 KVX. It´s teh best mid-price e-drum set on the market right now.
Thanks for the info! Just curious if you or anyone knows about upcoming release dates for an updated version of the 25? Saving up for the kvx, can't afford the 50, but wan't something a bit more than the 17, so hoping to get the next round of 25s (or 35s if they change) :)
I actually had a quote for the 25 and then a week before the 17 came out I switched up and waited. So close, but glad I waited. I like the 17. I will say I don't like the square middle bar though cuz you can put a cymbal there. Also no independent volume controls for mix and drum is a bummer, but all in all it's a good set.
EZDrummer 2 and Superior Drummer 3 beat 99% of the drum modules. Including the TD-25, TD-17 and TD-50 tho... So taking SD3 with a cheaper module is probably the best idea IMO
Yo Justin! Thanks for the update. I agree, I would not buy a TD25 kit if I was in the hunt for something right now. I bought one a year ago and it served me well, but as you know I sold my TD25 module a few weeks ago to upgrade to a TD30 and I have not been happier. I kept all other parts of the TD25 kit (rack, cymbals, pads etc) as they are all still fine in my opinion. Just added a larger snare and used the PDX-100 snare that came with the TD25 kit as a 4th tom. I think the market is soon going to be flooded with people trying to sell their TD25 kits and modules. This will no doubt force the prices down.
Hi Broc, The TD 30 module is an option I may consider, however, I only need a few kits and the TD 25 has kits from the TD 30, what is the biggest difference for you?
David Harnett - the biggest differences for me: 1. Trigger inputs. TD25 has a cable snake and a limited number of trigger inputs (snake has kick, snare, hats, ride, 1 crash, 3 toms + there is 2 extra single inputs for 1 more crash and 1 AUX), while the TD30 has 14 individual trigger inputs (kick, snare, hats, ride, 2 crash, 4 toms, 4 AUX). So you can expand your kit much more on the 30. 2. Sounds on the TD30 are superior. The kits on the TD25 are not the same kits as on the TD30 but I believe the sounds are derived from the SuperNatural sound engine the TD30 uses. The TD30 also has better sound editing ability. 3. Number of kits. The TD25 has 18 pre-set kits plus another 18 user kits to create your own or download from elsewhere. The TD30 has 80 pre-set kits plus another 20 user kits.
@@Aussie_Badger Thanks for your answer Broc, I like the fact I can improve the sounds, the number of kits is not a big issue for me but the extra expandability is a great option.
The TD-25 KVX should have had a re-branded TD-30 module maybe a new case on the module and put it at 4k. TD-35 maybe as mentioned... The TD-30 is such a nice module to just toss. That would have been something. I bought a TD-17 module for my A2E kit and it is amazing sound wise over the TD-25. I am happy they made the TD-17 module priced right. I never expect Roland to "get it". I expect them to go in the way of Gibson with over priced products because of the name. With smaller companies chipping away at them with awesome products without the same name. For example if you play guitar the Gibson Les Paul Standard vs PRS guitars. PRS is killing them with better quality and features at a much lower price and better buying options. The consumer will wise up.
Would a TD17 module not work on a TD25KV set? TD25KV can be had for around $1999 new. Could sell the module maybe $600-800 on eBay, and buy a brand new TD17 module for $500-600. I'm weighing that idea against buying a TD17KVX and then purchasing 2x PDX100 (~$220 ea), a PD-125BK, moving the PDX-12 to floor tom, and selling the 3x PDX-8s on eBay for around $80-100 ea. First option costs around $1600-1800, second one costs around $2300-2500 but a much nicer snare and pads all around. The question is, before deciding which one makes the most sense, will these components even work together?
I agree with you 100%. TD25kvx should cost 2500, and I think that more people would consider buying that kit at that price, while at this price I don't think that anyone with healthy brain cells won't buy that kit
I think they should have dropped the prices on the "old" td-25k and kv, and ran the new KVK for 2799. I think they'd have moved a lot more units that way. As it sits, I have zero interest in the current line up, and like you, I'm leaning towards the TD-17 stuff.
Hey, Justin, another great video, sir! I wanted to ask you about another brand, Yamaha. I have been noticing that Sam Ash, Guitar Center, Musicians Friend, etc. have been slashing a few hundred dollars off the Yamaha DTX 532? I'm not sure of the exact series number...I'm thinking about the ones with the silicone snare pad, rubber toms, that hi-hat pad, etc. Anyway, I'm wondering if Yamaha is going to surprise us all at Winter NAMM 2019 with perhaps, a new series? I know they just came out with those dumb drum sets with the rubber pads and boring 10 kit modules. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about a re-haul of the DTX522K and the DTX532K. I just found my Cascio catalog, so now I don't sound as dumb as I did previously! ;-) Anyway, have you heard any gossip? I just prefer the module sounds of the Yamaha.
A couple of questions, any help by anyone would be appreciated... getting very close to deciding on my kit! 😄 1. Is TD-17KVX worth the extra cost over the 17KV? 2. Are there any updates regarding the Hi hat issues of the Strike? (As in its Jan 2919- have they fixed it?) Because it might come down to choosing between TD17KVX and Strike, and that seems like a big issue with the strike (you can also say which kit you think is best overall). 3. As a slightly lower budget option, what is better- the TD17KV or DM10 MKII Pro? Any one that answers even one of these questions is a legend haha.
lol , I will try, with what I have read on the net (I don't own one yet and play on TD4 with my band), but this is my opinion 1. yes, the cymbals are much better and u get a opening charley 2. Alesis strike ? This is for unambitious amateurs, if you are a real dummer you want Roland or ATV, not less. It last for years and easier to resale 3. TD17 always. The sound is based on the flagship TD50
The only differince is sound the TD25 module is a much better sounding module, the Roland TD17 sounds really bad ( the drums) cymbals are ok. But that is my opinion.
Except when you sit down at pretty much any Alesis and then sit down at pretty much any Roland, you quickly realize that Alesis is garbage in comparison... not even close to the same quality pads/triggers... anything Alesis is a toy compared to Roland... just my $.02 from personal experience
65 Drums Thank you. if cost was less of an issue and you’re concerned about value for money would you pay MORE and go for TD 17 KVX or buy TD 25 KV for $1,400? Watched your reviews on both and they were very helpful.
the TD25 is just too expensive, don't think its that great of a module, personally. The TD17 is a better option in my eyes, or even the scaled down version of the Strike.
They had to give away tm-2 with the td-25 so you could have some kind of user samples import and layering via MIDI to keep up with the td-17 sample import and layering functionality. Not being able to assign different instruments to head/rim of the td-25 module is also a head scratcher decision by Roland. I was thinking maybe they would fix that with a firmware update, um no not at all. The td-25 sounds are very good, but the prismatic engine is IMO much better than the super natural engine from the earlier generation. Now with the td-27 out the 25 prices will keep falling
100% right, the module on td25 is just not worth the price, even when considering the nice pads and stuff, its like you have a super nice sports car that has a small engine.
plus tax or tax included (like in europe)? Does not sound to bad to me. I have the td17kvx and I miss some parts of the td25. Still I would buy the KVX again at the moment, because there is not other affordable set for me, that works for me. Still, I would love to have a TD30 modul.
@@petergriffinelectricdrums4164 not the editing not the amount of connections, not the mixer...no sepc audio outs no midi in and out snake to connect triggers...shall i go on?
I think it has to do with the td-25 coming out in 2015 and usually they have 4 year cycles (at least that's the pattern I've seen in the past) honestly I would pay the extra 800 dollars for the td 25kv but I totally agree that the k model is overpriced especially because the Tom pads are smaller and have that white rim around them and like you said Justin comes with 1 less crash cymbal. Just my thoughts. I actually did buy the td-25kv about a year and a half ago and almost bought the k version. So glad I didn't and am very happy with the td-25kv!:)
Whereas it doesn't hv even decent individual eq on each pad.....am so disappointed with it . if today they introduce a TD 25 module with additional 2 individual out for kick n snare respectively n a separate virtual 3 band eq for each pad. ..I'll say will b worth d price. Until then what do they take us for?
Hi Justin! I've got a quick question! Do you know of any way to link up my old TD-9 to the TD-25K to have two more Trigger Inputs? Or any way to expand the TD-25K at all (without using a splitter and two mono pads that is)? The V-Drums Forums didn't really have a thread discussing this exact issue, but since the TD-25K doesn't have MIDI-IN I was wondering if using the TD-9's MIDI-Out to lead into the TD-25K's USB-IN (which you would normally utilize to run something like SuperiorDrummer on your PC) could potentially work? Thank you!!
Totally agree td17 is way better.has more sounds,can import samples.not sure if td25 can import samples u would know Justin I,m going to be getting a td17 kvx very soon.nice video.
Im not native english speaker but this guy explain that whole thing is easy to understand, btw thank you
I just bought the TD25KV a couple weeks ago, I LOVE IT
Drum Obsession how much?
Same it’s awsome
Costco is currently selling a TD-25K-SC setup (item 1381159) that comes with an extra post for a 3rd cymbal for $1699. I bought it last fall and am very happy with it, except for the fact to it went on sale 90 days later for $200 less. :/
I agree with you 100%. I just got the TD-17KVX a week ago and it is a great kit . I had to wait 3 weeks for it on backorder. I was offered the TD-25K for the same price ( I paid $1580 ) if I did not want to wait. But I wanted that 12in snare and 3 cymbals , plus the new module. I am so glad I waited !! When you start layering sounds , this thing really comes to life !!
Totally agree! Congrats on the new set
Thanks for being transparent and honest!
The people need to know!
You should make a video covering what drum modules current TD-25 ownders should consider buying to get the most out of their kit
Thanks! This video just confirmed that I’ve made a good purchase on TD-17KVX! My first Roland set! Really love this kit!
I bought the td25k maybe 7 years ago. I got 3 cymbals though. My module is the one pictured at 2:40 td25kv and same kick drum. I do think i paid $2,500 for the kit, had to purchase hi-hat stand, my double kick pedals, amp separately. In over $3,200. I dont think my module is available anymore. I love the thing but i nothing to compare it to and Im 53 just love to play along with my 80s rock in the basement
I like mine also...but i bought mine used for 700 at a pawn shop 5 years ago and it came with a high hat stand and a Gibraltar double kick and a nice dw thrown...i replace my td3 and never looked back,,, sold that for 500....I bought a extra tom for 50 some place....i wish the drum module was more computer friendly its a pain in the ass loading new sounds .... That said its easy to just midi this to my Daw and use endless drum sounds there...Wish roland would figure a way out to make the snare and Kick feel more real...to me that is the worst part of these
I got a td-25kv Dec 2017, and it has converted me from acoustic to electronic drums. The more manual interface on the module has been a big plus for me. Simple, sturdy, reliable drum kit that I can operate at a gig. Having said all that TD-17 is what I would buy today.
DJATL Drums Any reason you didn’t go for KVX? I’m just wondering because I’m trying to decide which of those is a better option
@@stephenhughes5156 hey Stephen, KVX is a great option. I did not know about it at the time, and I got mine just over $2k, so price would be a factor as well. It's funny because I ended up trying to build a kit more like the kvx in the end. You can see what I can't up with on IG @djatldrums If I was looking now the kvx would be hard to pass up.
@@DavidJenkinsDrums Awesome, thanks! I dont suppose you have any thoughts on KVX vs Alesis Strike? I would probably go with the Strike, but it seems to have issues with the hi hat, and Rolands tend to more durable anyway, but of course the Strike has the size factor (and possibly other things).
In any case, it helps that you think the KVX is worth the extra investment over KV, so cheers for that!
@@stephenhughes5156 Hey Stephen, I have not played the Strike, so I really can't say. Overall Roland has good resell value, which is becoming more important now that I am buying stuff then trying to trade up. Having said that, the TD-25 module resell value has actually dropped quite a bit, but the drums and pads you get with KVX will hold value better than other brands. Good luck, and post on here when you get your kit please. -DJ
DJATL Drums Thanks! Tbh, I think I’ll end up going with the strike. I just think it’d be awesome to wail away on those bigger pads/cymbals. Plus I think the updates have fixed most of the issues (though I suppose there is still the issue of Alesis reputation for durability- which might be ok with the right warranty).
I think the best thing to do though would be to try them out. Funnily enough, I think these two kits might have been the two kits I tried out when I randomly went to a music store a few months back. But probably need another go before making my purchase. Cheers pal!
I got my TD-25KV back in February for $2200 delivered. Was that worthwhile,? What’s funny is that it’s still brand new, boxed, in my garage. Too busy working to set it up and play, but I will. 😆
Feel free to Fedex it to me!! 😆
Continues to solidify my decision on getting the 17KVX! Thanks Justin!
It's a great kit
This is an incredibly helpful resource for someone looking into getting their first ekit! I’m a professional musician who’s looking to move into a townhouse so this has given me a new perspective in what to look at!
Agreed. I use my edrums for quiet practice or cool effects on my songs, I prefer acoustic kits for many reasons, but again, they’re too loud. And I’m not gonna buy any quiet cymbals or dampeners, I don’t like the feel. I have some cheaper, but still very nice edrums, got a used Yamaha DTX502 for a steal, and I think it does exactly what I need, I practise on acoustic kits when I’m waiting for a gig to start and use my edrums for about anything else.
Thank you for your frank and honest opinions. I am getting back into drumming after a 40 year hiatus. Simply wanting v drums to enjoy for myself and play to music. I appreciate your hard work. It's been very helpful.
Thanks for Justin's review. I was considering TD25 for months and end up bought the TD17kvx. Happy drumming now :)
i love the honesty here thank u
If I were able to buy an excellent conditioned (but still used) TD-25VK for $1500 would you consider that a good buy?
I havent played the td-17 but I played the 25 and 50 back to back at Columbus Percussion and thought the 25 sounded as good as the 50.
I totally agree with your point and that’s why I bought a td17kvx and I could not be happier, I have been playing in pubs weekly with it in my band and it does the job perfectly.
I think its still worth it. Personally, if I were to get the td-17(any tier), id upgrade every drum pad on there. Once you upgrade the bass drum, you’re gonna have to upgrade your drum rack too. Or, you can just buy the td-25kv for 2500 bucks, upgrade nothing and (arguably) have better sounds. Just my opinion:)
-love the channel! You got the best e drumming info in the world!
Martin Metz In my country the set is $1399+
Love it!! The reason that Roland is still keeping the TD-25 Drum sets at a high price point is because they're insist on keeping ridiculously high MSRP's on the individual pieces - like those crappy PD-85 pads for over $200 each! And even worse, the PDX-6 is still $130! Who the F!@# is buying a brand new 6 inch drum pad for $130??? And the reason why the the TD-25KVX is $4000 is because they insist on selling that kick drum for over $1000. It's so insane and I don't know why they can't lower the prices on these pads, especially the ones that they've been selling for years and are so clearly less of a value than what many other brands are offering.
You should do a video about those PDX-6/8 pads and why Roland is still (1) using them in their drums sets and (2) selling them for so much compared to other pads you can buy individually on the market.
Another Idea for a video that I just had is about the different kinds of pre-made acoustic-size electronic kick drums on the market and what is the best deal.
Electronic drums give you the low volume high tone and control to play dinner clubs where there are marriage proposals and bussiness meetings. And when to crowd shifts from food to drinks you have the volume turned up.
I got the 17 one month ago. It is great. The Bluetooth feature seemed to me like the cowbell, we just have to have it, BUT now I do not need to turn on my laptop to play music along, which is great.
I have the TD25KV and I regret buying it a few years back. I initially had the TD20 and should never have gotten rid of it.
Justin, it's two years later (December 2020) and with all the options for downloadable sounds by Drum-Tec for around $40 per edition, is a used TD-25kv a better buy than a TD-17kvx if the 17 is $300 more? I guess what I'm asking, overall, if the toms are better on the 25, what would be the setback of the 25 vs the 17 since Drum-Tec has created some killer sounds?
The Roland TD17 KVX IS NOW THE NEW FLAG SHIP AND STANDARD FOR ELECTRONIC DRUM KITS. AND IM PUTTING MY MONEY RIGHT THERE.
I bought the TD17 KVX a few months back at a decent price so I am happy enough not worth the extra for TD25
I NEED HELPPP!! theres a seller selling his 2 year td 25k for 2500sgd (originally was 3499 sgd) while brand new 17 kvx costs 2299sgd. but do note that a td25k for 2500sgd comes with everything you need, gilbrater double pedals, drum throne, floor isolation mat even while a NEW 17kvx does not come with kick pedal and drum throne, just basic. after seeing this video, you metioned you would get a 17kvx fresh from the store instead of a 25kv. so which which would you get, considering the price point and additional drumware included for the 25kv? THANKS any reply would be much appreciated!!
I just found a used TD-25KV for $1400 with DW double bass pedal and DW hi-hat stand. Seems to be in good condition. Good deal?
Did you get the 25KV? How is it working out?
This was explained so well. I greatly appreciate your content!
I just snagged a Roland TD25KV brand new in the box for $1200, very happy with the purchase! Eventually I want to replace the snare with the snare from the TD17.
I bought a TD25KV for $1300 in excellent condition a few months ago. It's the one with the two PD85's and two PD105's. I love it. I got a Simmons DA200s and a Roland Noise Eater double kick pedal for it as well. Very fun to jam on. Killer pedal by the way. Every bit as good as my Iron Cobra 900 power glide double kick. Roland delivers the goods
Thanks for the video, it's great!
How would you rate a TD-25KV against the TD-17KVX (1st gen) nowadays in the used market assuming they are sold for the same price?
Hello, I have a Roland TD17L and I am considering buying a TD25, is it worth the change? or do I keep the TD17?
nice video, Justin! have a very merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
i found one for 1,800 that comes with a high hat stand and bass pedal…seems to be in good condition is it worth it?
Picked up a new TD-25KV at Guitar Center on Black Friday for $1999. That seemed like a good deal.
Feliz Navidad Justin. Saludos desde Argentina _ Córdoba
Hello and Merry Christmas :D
Ihave to say though. the 25 seems easier to manage because of the module Also the 25 just seemed a better sound than the 17.
Jerry Middleton i like the sounds better too
I think I prefer the td 25 sounds also
$4000 and you still have to supply a hi-hat and snare stand... way overpriced!!
Mike Schuster it’s $2799 total for me including hi hat stand and snare stand (I guess)
Well for the 25Kv
Snagged a TD-25K for $1600 during black Friday - hold out for a sale on that kit
2 weeks ago I was in this dilemma. I needed to decide between the TD17KVX or TD25KV. Sincerely I did not know what to justify for the 25KV knowing that it is a previous generation, the differences between the modules and maybe the bass drum and the hi-hat. But I did not take into account for MIDI recording, it seems to me that the 25KV has superiority over the 17KVX. Not only because of the positioning sensor in the snare drum, very late (unfortunately), I read the difference between 3 layers vs. 2 layers of the 17KVX. The 17KVX is here and (let me tell you) that the shipment is international, when it has arrived in my country we find that the rack box has been left in the store (personally retired in a Guitar Center shop in Miami). Maybe next week, the rack arrives. I hope that for the work of the recording through VSTi, I have not made a bad choice and this is a great kit. How I would have liked to see this video among other articles before to decide.
Hey man great video! I’m really thinking about getting the td17kvx but I don’t have a chance to play it. One thing holding me back is the snare. I play a lot of island style reggae which requires you to switch from rim shots to cross sticks between verses and choruses. If there’s anyone who’s played these sets and knows it inside and out it’s you! This brings me to my question, can the snare on the td17kvx play both rim shots and cross stick sounds on one setting? Or do you have to play one setting with a rim shot sound and then stop/switch to a cross stick setting? Thanks in advance man!
I got my td 25k for 1200 at guitar center. It was their last in stack and a floor model. I didn't know how pricey they were until after I had looked it up. So lucky I got that opportunity!
ugh, bought a 25kv 15 months ago...I think after you recommended it lol. But what I was looking for was the td-17, it just didn't exist at the time. I was upgrading from my Alesis Nitro and didn't want to upgrade twice. I'm still happy with my 25kv, it's an amazing kit and I've spent several hundred hours on it. Like you said though, if it was today, I would have just ordered the 17 most likely. I will say I love the simplicity of the 25 brain with how good it sounds.
Can you talk about the brains of the kits? One of the things that I love about my 25kv were the sample/kits I bought from vexpressions. I'd love if you could talk about those as well, or better yet, could you discuss loading kits like those into a brain for a topic at some point?
Is there software you can use on your computer to load kits faster or easier than doing one at a time into each sound bank?
Hola justin!
Aqui un seguidor fiel desde Argentina. Muchas gracias por estos reviews tan espectaculares!
Si consigues la td 17kvx al mismo precio que la td 25k , ?que harías?
Kinda sad that Rolland is doing this. It's been said numerous times I'm sure, but Rolsky needs to drop 1500 from every kit they're selling now. Makes me just wanna avoid them altogether when getting a new e-kit.
It would be great if they drop 1500 from 17kvx :D
Been thinking of selling my Roland td 25kv (purchased 3 years ago when came out) and embrace the acoustic-to-electronic conversion road. If new it costs 2500$, what would be a fair price for a used kit that still looks like new?
Yoyoyo
I am drum lover from hong kong
I have purchased a roland TD-25KVX
In about 3125usd when converted to usd
It is worth it when it cost 3125(Christmas offer)
Or should a buy another module replace TD25
What a great spec i dont want to waste it
Also,any upgrade for 25kvx,cymbol/tom?for better playing experience
Hope you can answer my question
Any kvx owner hv a bit upset after this vids, say hi below Lol
i thought the same thing, the 17 killed it big time.
agreed
I have the td17 top of the line and love it. I had the td20 for 8 years and was never satisfied with snare or ride cymbal sounds. Sold it for $1500 and bought the td17 new for the same amount a year+ ago and feel it does a great job on everything but the small toms and does a good job on those.
Hey 65drums: would you consider making a video on how to make electronic drums sound more realistic using the Roland TD 11 module ? The stock kits suck and i have no idea how to tinker with the settings.
i also have no money to purchase expansions so manual tinkering with the module is the only choice I have. Help a brother out? Cheers
I have TD17KV......with extra CY13 crash which I use for ride don’t have bell 🛎 sound.....and I heard that CY13 has bell issue
I want to use Superior Drummer 3 with a drum set that has positional sensing so I can get the full potential out of the sounds from SD3. But I only have around 2500$... what should I buy?
My friends just brought a TD17KVX and i tried it to compare with my TD15KV. TBH I don’t believe the 17 use the same sound engine with the 25 series even though Roland said so because the sound is obviously different. And the snare sensor is not as sensitive as the 25’s despite bigger. It cannot recognizes my rim hit and head hit correctly. I do not know if any adjustments are wrong but it obviously not as good as 25 s.
What if the price of the TD-25KS-STD is $100 cheaper than the TD-17-KVXS? It looks like the differences are; smaller snare, upgraded module/ stand.
I've owned the TD-25 for 6 years. My Alesis Strike Pro SE bows it away!!
I'm having trouble with the cymbal pads on my td-25k. Can I upgrade them or get them replaced?
i had this exact problem - td-25 or td-17 - i decided that the 17kvx was a better deal: newer module, larger snare, better hihat... so I went that direction i am a not professional drummer or studio so stereo audio and midi out was all i needed.
Coming back to this video- the TD-25KV is now priced at $2,199 - is it worth grabbing now over the TD-17 kit??
That's great that there was a price drop :) But the TD17 is still $500 cheaper and is the better drumset to me
If i didn't already have a great set of edrums i would buy 1 of the td 17 kits because they seem to be the best bang for the buck
I love the snare on the TD25 where the 12 inch one on the TD17 is just meh for me. I’m conflicted between the TD25K and the TD17KVX. Would also be okay with only 2 cymbals. Tough choice lol
Nah, you def need to 3-zone ride... couldn't imagine not having the ride
So difficult to extend it with more pads or cymbals, it doesn' t even have a MIDI IN plug.... OK for practice at high price for high quality. Now looking for the new TD-27.
Hi, thanks for the video.
let me see, then it is better to buy the TD17kvx than the TD25kv.
I totally agree with you! From a professional drumteacher´s perspectiv the TD-17 KVX is the better buy! I had to choose a e-drum set 1 1/2 years ago for my new teaching studio. I bought the TD-50 because especially the module of the TD-25 is a overpriced toy for me. Let´s make a comparission of the topversion of the TD-25 and the TD-50-K. The TD-50 K costs roundabout 1000 $ more than the TD-25 topversion. For me it´s a nobrainer that these 1000 $ more are worth it to spend! And next year I´ll replace my TD-4 students drumset with the TD-17 KVX. It´s teh best mid-price e-drum set on the market right now.
Thanks for the info! Just curious if you or anyone knows about upcoming release dates for an updated version of the 25? Saving up for the kvx, can't afford the 50, but wan't something a bit more than the 17, so hoping to get the next round of 25s (or 35s if they change) :)
I actually had a quote for the 25 and then a week before the 17 came out I switched up and waited. So close, but glad I waited. I like the 17. I will say I don't like the square middle bar though cuz you can put a cymbal there. Also no independent volume controls for mix and drum is a bummer, but all in all it's a good set.
The TD-25 module is so much better in terms of sound tho.
EZDrummer 2 and Superior Drummer 3 beat 99% of the drum modules. Including the TD-25, TD-17 and TD-50 tho...
So taking SD3 with a cheaper module is probably the best idea IMO
O still love my td25kv ;)
Yo Justin! Thanks for the update. I agree, I would not buy a TD25 kit if I was in the hunt for something right now. I bought one a year ago and it served me well, but as you know I sold my TD25 module a few weeks ago to upgrade to a TD30 and I have not been happier. I kept all other parts of the TD25 kit (rack, cymbals, pads etc) as they are all still fine in my opinion. Just added a larger snare and used the PDX-100 snare that came with the TD25 kit as a 4th tom. I think the market is soon going to be flooded with people trying to sell their TD25 kits and modules. This will no doubt force the prices down.
I agree with what you said, especially last year the td25 was still a great buy. And nice upgrade there to the td30 :)
Hi Broc, The TD 30 module is an option I may consider, however, I only need a few kits and the TD 25 has kits from the TD 30, what is the biggest difference for you?
David Harnett - the biggest differences for me:
1. Trigger inputs. TD25 has a cable snake and a limited number of trigger inputs (snake has kick, snare, hats, ride, 1 crash, 3 toms + there is 2 extra single inputs for 1 more crash and 1 AUX), while the TD30 has 14 individual trigger inputs (kick, snare, hats, ride, 2 crash, 4 toms, 4 AUX). So you can expand your kit much more on the 30.
2. Sounds on the TD30 are superior. The kits on the TD25 are not the same kits as on the TD30 but I believe the sounds are derived from the SuperNatural sound engine the TD30 uses. The TD30 also has better sound editing ability.
3. Number of kits. The TD25 has 18 pre-set kits plus another 18 user kits to create your own or download from elsewhere. The TD30 has 80 pre-set kits plus another 20 user kits.
@@Aussie_Badger Thanks for your answer Broc, I like the fact I can improve the sounds, the number of kits is not a big issue for me but the extra expandability is a great option.
The TD-25 KVX should have had a re-branded TD-30 module maybe a new case on the module and put it at 4k. TD-35 maybe as mentioned... The TD-30 is such a nice module to just toss. That would have been something. I bought a TD-17 module for my A2E kit and it is amazing sound wise over the TD-25. I am happy they made the TD-17 module priced right. I never expect Roland to "get it". I expect them to go in the way of Gibson with over priced products because of the name. With smaller companies chipping away at them with awesome products without the same name. For example if you play guitar the Gibson Les Paul Standard vs PRS guitars. PRS is killing them with better quality and features at a much lower price and better buying options. The consumer will wise up.
Would a TD17 module not work on a TD25KV set? TD25KV can be had for around $1999 new. Could sell the module maybe $600-800 on eBay, and buy a brand new TD17 module for $500-600.
I'm weighing that idea against buying a TD17KVX and then purchasing 2x PDX100 (~$220 ea), a PD-125BK, moving the PDX-12 to floor tom, and selling the 3x PDX-8s on eBay for around $80-100 ea.
First option costs around $1600-1800, second one costs around $2300-2500 but a much nicer snare and pads all around.
The question is, before deciding which one makes the most sense, will these components even work together?
Yes that would all work
Cool, thanks for the reply.
I agree with you 100%. TD25kvx should cost 2500, and I think that more people would consider buying that kit at that price, while at this price I don't think that anyone with healthy brain cells won't buy that kit
The real question is : at what price does the TD25 becomes more valuable than the TD17 KVX ? I see a TD25 for 1200 euros it has only 3 years old !
a bit out of topic... but my church has just changed to Roland td-15kv. i’m a diehard yamaha fanboy, but now i LOVE roland so much lmao
The TD15 was a solid kit
How about now in 2024. ?? I can find it. The td 25 kv for almost 1300 dolars. What do you think??
Yeah it's a good kit at that price now
Td 25 kv-sc available @ costco 1700$ kick pedal and hi hat stand included, worth it?
I just purchased it on Costco online for $1500 , they have it on sale till 3/18. Do you know what the "SC" mean?
I think they should have dropped the prices on the "old" td-25k and kv, and ran the new KVK for 2799. I think they'd have moved a lot more units that way.
As it sits, I have zero interest in the current line up, and like you, I'm leaning towards the TD-17 stuff.
Hey, Justin, another great video, sir! I wanted to ask you about another brand, Yamaha. I have been noticing that Sam Ash, Guitar Center, Musicians Friend, etc. have been slashing a few hundred dollars off the Yamaha DTX 532? I'm not sure of the exact series number...I'm thinking about the ones with the silicone snare pad, rubber toms, that hi-hat pad, etc. Anyway, I'm wondering if Yamaha is going to surprise us all at Winter NAMM 2019 with perhaps, a new series? I know they just came out with those dumb drum sets with the rubber pads and boring 10 kit modules. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about a re-haul of the DTX522K and the DTX532K. I just found my Cascio catalog, so now I don't sound as dumb as I did previously! ;-)
Anyway, have you heard any gossip? I just prefer the module sounds of the Yamaha.
A couple of questions, any help by anyone would be appreciated... getting very close to deciding on my kit! 😄
1. Is TD-17KVX worth the extra cost over the 17KV?
2. Are there any updates regarding the Hi hat issues of the Strike? (As in its Jan 2919- have they fixed it?) Because it might come down to choosing between TD17KVX and Strike, and that seems like a big issue with the strike (you can also say which kit you think is best overall).
3. As a slightly lower budget option, what is better- the TD17KV or DM10 MKII Pro?
Any one that answers even one of these questions is a legend haha.
lol , I will try, with what I have read on the net (I don't own one yet and play on TD4 with my band), but this is my opinion
1. yes, the cymbals are much better and u get a opening charley
2. Alesis strike ? This is for unambitious amateurs, if you are a real dummer you want Roland or ATV, not less. It last for years and easier to resale
3. TD17 always. The sound is based on the flagship TD50
The only differince is sound the TD25 module is a much better sounding module, the Roland TD17 sounds really bad ( the drums) cymbals are ok. But that is my opinion.
Would you put a td25 or td17 module on the atv adrum?
How about Drumit 3? Not so much information or review about that on RUclips.
Roland needs to revamp their lineup; lower their prices and make their drums look more modern to keep up with companies like Alesis.
Except when you sit down at pretty much any Alesis and then sit down at pretty much any Roland, you quickly realize that Alesis is garbage in comparison... not even close to the same quality pads/triggers... anything Alesis is a toy compared to Roland... just my $.02 from personal experience
Is $1,400 for a slightly used td-25 KV good value?
Yes!
65 Drums Thank you. if cost was less of an issue and you’re concerned about value for money would you pay MORE and go for TD 17 KVX or buy TD 25 KV for $1,400? Watched your reviews on both and they were very helpful.
@@storminoli Same problem here ! I see one TD25 for 1200 euros only
the TD25 is just too expensive, don't think its that great of a module, personally. The TD17 is a better option in my eyes, or even the scaled down version of the Strike.
They had to give away tm-2 with the td-25 so you could have some kind of user samples import and layering via MIDI to keep up with the td-17 sample import and layering functionality. Not being able to assign different instruments to head/rim of the td-25 module is also a head scratcher decision by Roland. I was thinking maybe they would fix that with a firmware update, um no not at all. The td-25 sounds are very good, but the prismatic engine is IMO much better than the super natural engine from the earlier generation. Now with the td-27 out the 25 prices will keep falling
100% right, the module on td25 is just not worth the price, even when considering the nice pads and stuff, its like you have a super nice sports car that has a small engine.
I had bought the td25 from guitar center for $1,300 good deal or no
plus tax or tax included (like in europe)? Does not sound to bad to me. I have the td17kvx and I miss some parts of the td25. Still I would buy the KVX again at the moment, because there is not other affordable set for me, that works for me. Still, I would love to have a TD30 modul.
Where the heck are the Pearl eMerge kits? They went the Alesis long-term vaporware preorder route.
Last I knew, they weren't in production yet. There was just this one kit they would take to events to show off.
should have had a td30 module!
The Td25kvx would be killer if it had a td30 module
@@petergriffinelectricdrums4164 not the editing not the amount of connections, not the mixer...no sepc audio outs no midi in and out
snake to connect triggers...shall i go on?
I think it has to do with the td-25 coming out in 2015 and usually they have 4 year cycles (at least that's the pattern I've seen in the past) honestly I would pay the extra 800 dollars for the td 25kv but I totally agree that the k model is overpriced especially because the Tom pads are smaller and have that white rim around them and like you said Justin comes with 1 less crash cymbal. Just my thoughts. I actually did buy the td-25kv about a year and a half ago and almost bought the k version. So glad I didn't and am very happy with the td-25kv!:)
U right Justin....
It makes stupid sense not to hv withdrawn TD 25 from d market ....n to hang on it as if its d best of d two
Whereas it doesn't hv even decent individual eq on each pad.....am so disappointed with it . if today they introduce a TD 25 module with additional 2 individual out for kick n snare respectively n a separate virtual 3 band eq for each pad.
..I'll say will b worth d price. Until then what do they take us for?
I just want a kit that will track good so I can use it with slate drums, and EZ Drummer. I never liked the sound of the modules
Edrumin 10
Hi Justin! I've got a quick question!
Do you know of any way to link up my old TD-9 to the TD-25K to have two more Trigger Inputs? Or any way to expand the TD-25K at all (without using a splitter and two mono pads that is)?
The V-Drums Forums didn't really have a thread discussing this exact issue, but since the TD-25K doesn't have MIDI-IN I was wondering if using the TD-9's MIDI-Out to lead into the TD-25K's USB-IN (which you would normally utilize to run something like SuperiorDrummer on your PC) could potentially work?
Thank you!!
Well, im using only the module on my Tama Hpdrive with triggers etc😍
I’d get the td-17 kvx? I think it is.
The TD 25, is the the new TD 11 nowdays to be honest. Update, Blame it on the evolution.
How old is the first one, second and third?
Of the roland td 25 lineup
Totally agree td17 is way better.has more sounds,can import samples.not sure if td25 can import samples u would know Justin I,m going to be getting a td17 kvx very soon.nice video.
No the TD25 cannot import samples
@@Aussie_Badger thanks for answer on my question I did not think it did.cheers.
Makes a lot of sense
well i would rely on your info,you are awesome
By the way the td25kvx would be good if it had a td30 module(td30kvx)and a cy15r