I had the privilege of riding this very bike in the Starling 0:53 parking lot. It accelerates like a rocket. It’s so amazing that one frame can be build up is so many exciting ways.
Each time Joe talks about wheel weight, I remember the articles of Bicycle Quarterly and Jan Heine, saying that wheel weight doesn't matter that much because bikes don't accelerate (or brake) as fast as a car or a motorcyle ... but from my personnal experience they make a bike much more faster than the same weight saved on the other parts of the bike ... I don't know wich one is true :D
Good point, i should clarify. For a road bike you are just overcoming losses, so agreed wheel weight has minimal impact. But for mountain bikes on rough terrain, every bump and lump acts to slow the wheel down. You are constantly having to put in energy to accelerate the wheels again. Lighter wheels need less energy!
What I’d like to do: Murmur (or possibly Twist…) frame, 2 different sets of suspension and wheels for enduro/ XC. The minimal time it would take me to swap that out seems well worth it!
My thoughts exactly. Was thinking an Ohlins 36 for the front. If I understand correctly, you can hot swap air spring cartridges without having to drop the lowers. If this is true, you could have their air shock on the rear for your trail setup and coil for enduro with a single fork for both (save time with not having to unbolt the front brake from the fork and realign the caliper). Could be quite the quiver…
"Not an enduro bike". Brother it's steel, I would be throwing myself off cliffs on this thing 🤪. I used to ride enduro trails on a 100mm 'XC' bike. Anyway looks like a blast.
That thing is gorgeous!
Absolute dream machine!!!
I had the privilege of riding this very bike in the Starling 0:53 parking lot. It accelerates like a rocket. It’s so amazing that one frame can be build up is so many exciting ways.
Fantastic
What a dream bike! Maybe one day…. But probably not 🤦♂️
Each time Joe talks about wheel weight, I remember the articles of Bicycle Quarterly and Jan Heine, saying that wheel weight doesn't matter that much because bikes don't accelerate (or brake) as fast as a car or a motorcyle ... but from my personnal experience they make a bike much more faster than the same weight saved on the other parts of the bike ... I don't know wich one is true :D
Good point, i should clarify.
For a road bike you are just overcoming losses, so agreed wheel weight has minimal impact.
But for mountain bikes on rough terrain, every bump and lump acts to slow the wheel down. You are constantly having to put in energy to accelerate the wheels again. Lighter wheels need less energy!
I'll pinch that water bottle line, if you don't mind, xx
I really like this bike, I've been drooling over a murmur for awhile. I'd really like to try it with a 52.5 stroke shock and a 140mm fork.
I remember when 100mm was your long travel bike... those were the days.
What I’d like to do: Murmur (or possibly Twist…) frame, 2 different sets of suspension and wheels for enduro/ XC. The minimal time it would take me to swap that out seems well worth it!
My thoughts exactly. Was thinking an Ohlins 36 for the front. If I understand correctly, you can hot swap air spring cartridges without having to drop the lowers. If this is true, you could have their air shock on the rear for your trail setup and coil for enduro with a single fork for both (save time with not having to unbolt the front brake from the fork and realign the caliper). Could be quite the quiver…
That looks rapids, looks like it can take a beating too
Very nice Bike. Is this a Medium+ ?
"Not an enduro bike". Brother it's steel, I would be throwing myself off cliffs on this thing 🤪. I used to ride enduro trails on a 100mm 'XC' bike. Anyway looks like a blast.
Hi, could it work with a 150/160mm fork?
That would be a normal murmur or mega murmur.
How come ther is no mini twist? I gett the point with 29" wheels, but why no xc mullet?
We just don't think it needs it. We do a 130mm rear travel version of the Twist, and that seems fine for mullet wheels. We might try it one day!
@@starlingcycles835 Just odred me a Twist, so coming next spring i will start trying stuff and try do some XC racing again.
Could you run a 130mm fork on that?
Yep, that would be good!
Sorry, but 14kg for an XC bike with a high-end build kit is simply too much weight. I love Starling bikes, but this one isn't for me.
Just say the weight!
Agreed, you’d be better off saying “it’s X weight, but here’s why that doesn’t matter”. Going on a rant just makes it sound overly defensive.
It's about 14ishKG with inserts. How's that?
Thnx
@@starlingcycles835 oh that sounds quite heavy for a downcountry bike 😬
@@markbrown9803 hopefully you're winding us up!!