The Inclined Plane - Derivation using Lagrangian Mechanics!

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  • @AndrewDotsonvideos
    @AndrewDotsonvideos 4 года назад +178

    okay so basically you should do more of these furshur

    • @HPO294
      @HPO294 4 года назад +2

      @@PapaFlammy69 Yes pls, moar

    • @matthewcapstick6242
      @matthewcapstick6242 4 года назад +2

      Andrew... Can you help also congrats with the plaque...
      f(z)=z^3+mz^2+nz-52
      Given that the roots of the cubic equation f(z)=0 are a, 1/a and a+13/a+46 find the roots of the equation f(z)=0

    • @noether9447
      @noether9447 4 года назад +4

      @@matthewcapstick6242 I think there is a typo in your question. Can you check it again?

    • @owen7185
      @owen7185 5 месяцев назад

      Agreed 💯💯💯💯

  • @victorrizkallah6014
    @victorrizkallah6014 4 года назад +148

    Solve this inclined plane problem again but in curved space time I dare you

  • @duncanw9901
    @duncanw9901 4 года назад +109

    >makes operator theory videos
    >doesn't want to solve nonlinear DE's

    • @duncanw9901
      @duncanw9901 4 года назад +4

      @@PapaFlammy69 using Lie-Trotter or smm here might be as much of a nuke as using the Lagrangian. Glad to see the physics content tho, the simple example of the complex method always helps

  • @non-inertialobserver946
    @non-inertialobserver946 4 года назад +191

    That's like using an angle grinder to cut a piece of paper

    • @hoodedR
      @hoodedR 4 года назад +17

      Or a samurai sword to cut your sandwich

    • @Ricocossa1
      @Ricocossa1 4 года назад +1

      Pretty much yeah xD

    • @Bloodsaberxy
      @Bloodsaberxy 4 года назад

      If the paper wasn't there it wouldn't get cut in the first place

    • @generalizedkyle
      @generalizedkyle 4 года назад +1

      Exactly what Lagrangian mechanics is.

    • @non-inertialobserver946
      @non-inertialobserver946 4 года назад +4

      @@generalizedkyle Ok but try solving a double pendulum problem without lagrangian

  • @abdqs853
    @abdqs853 4 года назад +75

    And here ladies and gentleman we have a man cutting cardboard with a chainsaw

    • @neilgerace355
      @neilgerace355 4 года назад +4

      It is like asking the robot to bring the two stowaways to the bridge #h2g2

  • @victorrizkallah6014
    @victorrizkallah6014 4 года назад +33

    How dare you make a physics video after making fun of Richard feynman. I'm still waiting for you to apologize to feynman. HAIL RICHARD FEYNMAN. Good video tho

  • @mikhailmikhailov8781
    @mikhailmikhailov8781 4 года назад +25

    Tfw you nuke a fly.

  • @subhasish-m
    @subhasish-m 4 года назад +41

    6:19 Didn't expect to see one of Grant's pi creatures!

    • @hoodedR
      @hoodedR 4 года назад

      Xd same

    • @ROBLOXLMaDer
      @ROBLOXLMaDer 4 года назад

      Subhasish Mukherjee omg hi i also was watching this video

  • @MRMarvLPs
    @MRMarvLPs 4 года назад +32

    For the negative sign to appear in the y-coordinate you have to define your y-axis the other way!

    • @Downloader77
      @Downloader77 4 года назад +2

      I was looking through the comments to see who else noticed!

    • @hydropage2855
      @hydropage2855 2 года назад +5

      Wait wtf your username is Lagrange just noticed lmao

  • @quellodifisica295
    @quellodifisica295 4 года назад +17

    In order to get the minus sign on the y component you should have chosen the opposite direction for y. If you do that, the potential energy is -mgy (if y=0 is your zero potential energy) and you correctly get that r decreases, as it should.

  • @MrBenten867
    @MrBenten867 4 года назад +13

    When u use the infinity stones to order a pizza

  • @ChariotduNord
    @ChariotduNord 4 года назад +4

    Lagrangian mechanics is love, Lagrangian mechanics is life.
    Papa, even though the force is downwards, I believe the coordinate y should still be positive r*sin(phi). This would give a U=+mg*r*sin(phi) and you end up with r(t)= -t^2/2 which makes sense because the radius should be decreasing.

    • @tfg601
      @tfg601 Месяц назад

      ya and you don't have to confuse minus and plus in 5:51

  • @papalaplace
    @papalaplace 4 года назад +6

    Seems like Papa has made a deal with the devil to get brilliant at math, but now he can't use Newton's second law.

  • @49fa75
    @49fa75 4 года назад +23

    >mfw dotson and papa upload at the same time

  • @pythagorasaurusrex9853
    @pythagorasaurusrex9853 4 года назад +5

    I just wonder, if you intentionally pronounciate "mass" as "mess" (ca. 2:00). Yes, physics and math can become a mess :) Love your brute-force derivation!

  • @JaybeePenaflor
    @JaybeePenaflor 4 года назад +32

    Just goes to show how mathematics is the language of science and how physics is the purest of all the applied sciences.

    • @henryhung2795
      @henryhung2795 4 года назад +3

      *Angry biologists scream in the corner*
      DNA methylation rate is basically the only thing, ever

  • @MrRyanroberson1
    @MrRyanroberson1 4 года назад +12

    idea: calculate force on an inclined plane *relativistically*

    • @zoltankurti
      @zoltankurti 4 года назад +4

      Doesn't work: newtonian gravity leads to contradictions in special relativity, and in general relativity you would get a nonlinear differential equation (the geodetic equation with constraints), and as flammy said in this video, he doesn't like those.

  • @hehebwoai3056
    @hehebwoai3056 4 года назад +7

    Can we have a series on some 🆎️stract stuff + flying 🆎️ creatures (mohamed's profile pic)

  • @Polaris_Babylon
    @Polaris_Babylon 4 года назад +5

    Physics yay

  • @tuomio5043
    @tuomio5043 4 года назад +4

    You just combined all my freshman year engineering classes.

  • @RC32Smiths01
    @RC32Smiths01 4 года назад +7

    Lagrangian Mechanics are really fun to do man! Always a pleasure to tune in

    • @RC32Smiths01
      @RC32Smiths01 4 года назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 Ahh definitely my man!

  • @matron9936
    @matron9936 4 года назад +3

    Wer kennt schon HANGABTRIEBSKRAFT nicht?

  • @matthewcapstick6242
    @matthewcapstick6242 4 года назад +1

    Can anyone help...
    f(z)=z^3+mz^2+nz-52
    Given that the roots of the cubic equation f(z)=0 are a, 1/a and a+13/a+46 find the roots of the equation f(z)=0

  • @EmissaryOfSmeagol
    @EmissaryOfSmeagol 4 года назад +2

    I appreciate physics content.
    TBH Langrangian Mechanics was the easiest part of Classical Mech. for me, since it's just solving a DE. The rest of CM was pretty hard!

  • @cameronspalding9792
    @cameronspalding9792 4 года назад +2

    I would have chosen coordinates u and v where v measured the distance from the plane (which stays a constant zero), whilst v measures the distance falls along the plane

  • @violymhi
    @violymhi 4 года назад +1

    Seriously? My analytical mechanics midterm was litteraly 6 hours ago, why oh why didn't you post this yesterday?

    • @violymhi
      @violymhi 4 года назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 I forgive you😋

  • @neilgerace355
    @neilgerace355 4 года назад +3

    1:57 Close Lagrange Encounter of the Second Kind

  • @shanee4497
    @shanee4497 4 года назад +3

    Ah finally, some flammy mechanics

  • @technoguyx
    @technoguyx 4 года назад +1

    A German boi pronouncing *L A W H U U N J* perfectly, who could've thought. Cool video btw, I'm a math major secretly wishing to take Analytical Mechanics next year but also sort of scared.

  • @eva-jd2zg
    @eva-jd2zg 4 года назад +2

    That feeling when you're at work and can only comment and like and not watch the video until tonight. HAPPY SECOND DAY OF ADVENT! #fpadventcalendar

    • @eva-jd2zg
      @eva-jd2zg 4 года назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 Hiyaaaa \o/ Got to watch the video last night while working more (and eating ice cream WOOOO!) but didn't get to follow along too closely so hopefully I can get my hanabtriebskraft on today and pull out that notebook XD Looking forward to day 3! #pfadventcalendar

  • @wilhelmsarosen4735
    @wilhelmsarosen4735 4 года назад +3

    Papa and Dotson in harmony with each other!

  • @JacoTheDeadRuler
    @JacoTheDeadRuler 4 года назад +1

    I learned a little bit of LaTeX last night for honors homework. {/bf :D} = *:D*

  • @brunoynobruno
    @brunoynobruno 4 года назад +1

    You have forgotten include de force due to friction as a generalized force in the motion ecuation.

  • @rorincampbell7894
    @rorincampbell7894 4 года назад +1

    “If we remember correctly from 3rd grade physics > T=m/2r^2” ahhh of course.... 3rd grade physics

  • @mathematicadeestremo6396
    @mathematicadeestremo6396 4 года назад +1

    How many daddy u have ??
    My *Excellent* proof.
    Lagrange is ur daddy
    Eular is ur papa .
    Since ,Eular ≠Lagrange
    daddy not equal to papa😁
    I think sexsphere died only for this 😂

  • @FGj-xj7rd
    @FGj-xj7rd 4 года назад +1

    Thanks man. Been waiting for quite a while for this thing.
    By the way, papa Newton is proud for using his dots.

  • @NovaWarrior77
    @NovaWarrior77 4 года назад +1

    OMG I never knew you were kind of a physics boi!

  • @nuklearboysymbiote
    @nuklearboysymbiote 4 года назад +1

    i bought some more flammable merch :3

  • @nnniv
    @nnniv 4 года назад +2

    one lagrangian boi

  • @jaikumar848
    @jaikumar848 4 года назад +1

    Could you please make video on orbital mechanics?

  • @jasonforbus8605
    @jasonforbus8605 4 года назад +1

    he says Lagrange like how la croix looks like it’s pronounced

  • @tabrez3179
    @tabrez3179 4 года назад +2

    yes some mechanics!

  • @pjmmccann
    @pjmmccann 4 года назад

    So, in short, if you note that the effective acceleration a is g*sin(phi) (the component of gravity "down" the incline) then the solution to Newton's equation is (wait for it!) s(t) = s(0) + v(0)*t + a*t^2. WHODATHUNKIT?

  • @federicopagano6590
    @federicopagano6590 3 года назад

    According to the ssystem x =-r cos and y=r sin , if we define x=r cos y=-r sin clearly the particle velocity will point upwards, the particle will climb upwards (dr/Dt < 0 )

  • @robertsteinbeiss8478
    @robertsteinbeiss8478 4 года назад

    it is a mass not a mess, ..... but if a mathematician does physics that is what you get! 🤣 Let's solve the spherical chicken in a vacuum!
    Sry that was a cheap joke! Actually I love the simplisity of this basic concept that cover many questions in GR and is jet somehow connected to the Hamiltonian Formalism that works in the quantum world. There is more to it than the math!

  • @doggmasta6452
    @doggmasta6452 4 года назад

    you made a mistake i think because de potential is mgsin(phi) actualy and the you get r(t) = - sin(phi)*t^2 + ... as it would be expected to go to a smaller radius héhé

  • @MasterStroke.
    @MasterStroke. 4 года назад

    Two masses m1 and m2 are suspended from a rope of length l1 that passes over a pulley. Two other masses m3 and m4 are simultaneously suspended by a rope of length l2 that passes over another pulley. These two pulleys hang from the ends of a rope of length L that passes over a third fixed pulley. Write down the constraints explicitly and determine the degrees of freedom of the system.

  • @someperson9052
    @someperson9052 4 года назад

    Stop putting th fucking memes upside down!!
    Aaaaaaaaaaahhh

  • @sverrehestholm723
    @sverrehestholm723 4 года назад +1

    Love the physics content!

  • @hakongray
    @hakongray 4 года назад

    Fuck yes! More of this papa flammable

  • @beevees1636
    @beevees1636 4 года назад

    Man, you're just shooting a mosquito with a cannon

  • @lordstevenson9619
    @lordstevenson9619 4 года назад

    Oh flammy it was almost perfect, 5:18. 😂

  • @seetj12
    @seetj12 4 года назад

    Solve double pendulum with F=ma

  • @nareshmehndiratta
    @nareshmehndiratta 2 года назад

    please remake Feynman lectures in physics

  • @ivancheems35
    @ivancheems35 4 года назад

    Phi=theta? :0

  • @XarkXD
    @XarkXD 4 года назад

    I had to rotate my head 180 degrees to read the meme send help :(

  • @charleswilson7458
    @charleswilson7458 4 года назад +1

    More physics videos please!

  • @annakquinn7084
    @annakquinn7084 3 года назад

    On your integral you forgot the double dot r.

  • @owen7185
    @owen7185 5 месяцев назад

    Please don’t stop these lectures

  • @youssefderrazi6246
    @youssefderrazi6246 3 года назад

    I'M STILL GETTING THESE RECOMMENDED

  • @johnbear02
    @johnbear02 4 года назад

    Ah yes, enslaved school physics

  • @davialefe7646
    @davialefe7646 4 года назад

    Shit I was looking for that like a couple days ago and couldnt find much. Is this on demand service papa?

    • @davialefe7646
      @davialefe7646 4 года назад

      Btw you know that shirt implies sinx=x right?

  • @zoltankurti
    @zoltankurti 4 года назад

    L=g_{kl}*x'^k*x'^l
    g_{kl} are functions of the coordinates, and g_{kl}=g_{lk}. x'^k is the derivative of the kth coordinate with respect to some arbitrary parameter, and there is automatic summation for k and l (lets say we are in a 4 dimensional space, so summation from 0 to 3). Calcukate this one, and you obtain the geodesic equation, which would describe a free falling point particle in general relativity. You could make a video out of this.

  • @nightknight2032
    @nightknight2032 4 года назад

    Newton disliked the video.

  • @eszepeeanton7256
    @eszepeeanton7256 4 года назад

    Only here for the physics

  • @einsteingonzalez4336
    @einsteingonzalez4336 4 года назад

    In 0:19 - 0:20, what is that phrase?

  • @owen7185
    @owen7185 5 месяцев назад

    This shit is amazing

  • @truthmatters5536
    @truthmatters5536 4 года назад

    OK, smart boy, I modify the problem slightly to make it harder to solve. Suppose the slope is given by a triangle block that is sitting on the smooth surface and it moves freely. What will happen to the acceleration of the mass, m, placed on such a triangle block? Assume the triangle block mass is capital M. That is MIT level.

  • @MasterStroke.
    @MasterStroke. 4 года назад

    A body of mass m slides without friction on an inclined plane that forms an angle θ with the floor of an elevator. If the lift goes up with uniform acceleration α:
    a) Describe the inertial system.
    b) The natural coordinates and,
    c) Explicitly describe the holonomic constriction on the body.

  • @danielsuarezlopes4004
    @danielsuarezlopes4004 4 года назад

    Ótimo vídeo. 😎👨‍🏫

  • @Mot-dh5sx
    @Mot-dh5sx 4 года назад

    That’s cool and all, but did you know F = ma? hA

    • @Mot-dh5sx
      @Mot-dh5sx 4 года назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 :'3

  • @gian2kk
    @gian2kk 4 года назад

    Ciao :D

  • @MasterStroke.
    @MasterStroke. 4 года назад

    Two pendulums of masses m1 and m2 and lengths l1 and l2 hang from the ends of a bar with no weight of length 2L, which is suspended in its center O. Both the pendulums and the bar can rotate freely around the suspension points: P1, P2 and O. Assuming that all the movements are carried out in the vertical plane, analyze the constraints and determine the degrees of freedom of the system.

  • @MasterStroke.
    @MasterStroke. 4 года назад

    A particle of mass m slides under its own weight and without friction on the inner surface of an inverted vertical cone of semi-angle α. Use the Lagrange multiplier method to find the constriction force. Express your result in terms of the energy and the z component of the particle velocity.

  • @danielsuarezlopes4004
    @danielsuarezlopes4004 4 года назад

    Verry good! 👊

  • @OC-1024
    @OC-1024 4 года назад

    wonderful, just wonderful.
    >HANGABTRIEBSKRAFT

  • @Ottmar555
    @Ottmar555 4 года назад

    Pappa Flammy, I'm having trouble with a complex integral to find the solution of a PDE using Laplace transform. Would you like to help me and publish our findings together?

  • @joaomongesoria2762
    @joaomongesoria2762 2 года назад

    thanks, really I appreaciate because in most books and classes only the newton approach of that problem is used. I learn something new

  • @McRingil
    @McRingil 4 года назад

    Our mess

  • @nanigopalsaha2408
    @nanigopalsaha2408 4 года назад

    3b1b_oid

  • @nick_ca
    @nick_ca 4 года назад

    Hey I have a final in this sort of thing on Monday can you maybe cover all of Lagrange's and Hamilton's equations next time?

  • @lucabortolotti9587
    @lucabortolotti9587 4 года назад

    XD

  • @Patryk947f
    @Patryk947f 4 года назад

    You should have told g = -pi^2 because otherwise the mass would be moving uphill.

  • @michaelzumpano7318
    @michaelzumpano7318 4 года назад

    I love Lagrangian mechanics. Beautifully done! You work so hard to bring us die vergnugung. I’m gonna buy some of your merch.

  • @zacharyjasper6367
    @zacharyjasper6367 4 года назад

    Idk if one is specifically supposed to look for polar coordinates, but great video all around! Thank you!

  • @egillandersson1780
    @egillandersson1780 4 года назад

    You are a really mad scientist ! 😉🤣😂
    Thank you for that.

  • @antronixful
    @antronixful 4 года назад +4

    frictionless→lagrange multiplierless

    • @brunoynobruno
      @brunoynobruno 4 года назад

      you can include as a generalized force in the motion ecuation.

  • @MaarioneteSR
    @MaarioneteSR 4 года назад

    that's gonna be a bill gates with a giant paddle and small ping pong ball from me.

  • @lezhilo772
    @lezhilo772 4 года назад

    Now work out the two-body problem where the incline itself has mass M and can move!

  • @strengthman600
    @strengthman600 4 года назад

    Papa can you do some spicier systems in lagrangian mechanics thanks ly

  • @J.P.Nery.N.
    @J.P.Nery.N. 4 года назад

    Yay some physics again! Please do more papa, love u bruh (no homo)

  • @bamdadtorabi2924
    @bamdadtorabi2924 4 года назад

    Hey Jens! I wanna send you an Integral. where should I send it for you?

  • @julius-theodorbarth3893
    @julius-theodorbarth3893 2 года назад

    The same Spiel 😂😂😂

  • @damienvoid7762
    @damienvoid7762 4 года назад

    I just watched papa flammy set the house on fire to cook a instant ramen.

  • @ShaderKite
    @ShaderKite 4 года назад

    Nice finally some physics :D

  • @Bloodsaberxy
    @Bloodsaberxy 4 года назад

    The kind of things you read to your kids before sleep

  • @tszhanglau5747
    @tszhanglau5747 4 года назад

    "this mess right here" yeah
    Papa Laplace would be proud

  • @allaincumming6313
    @allaincumming6313 4 года назад

    Now do it with a perfect circle rolling down xd.

  • @bobus_mogus
    @bobus_mogus 4 года назад

    mfw Jens Dotson