The Atwood Machine - Equations of Motion using Lagrangian Mechanics

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Комментарии • 116

  • @adandap
    @adandap 5 лет назад +46

    A fun variant of this problem is including the moment of inertia of the pulley so you have an angular variable as well.

  • @non-inertialobserver946
    @non-inertialobserver946 5 лет назад +181

    Now you gotta use quantum field theory to solve an inclined plane problem

  • @gnikola2013
    @gnikola2013 5 лет назад +43

    Anybody: pulls a rope
    Mathematician: OMG one side moves at same speed than the other WTF

  • @thephysicistcuber175
    @thephysicistcuber175 5 лет назад +43

    You should solve a physics problem using both lagrangians and lagrange multipliers

  • @dividedshark7511
    @dividedshark7511 5 лет назад +38

    Finally something my tiny engineering brain can understand

  • @kingbrownie207
    @kingbrownie207 5 лет назад +4

    Legit using these lagrangian videos to study for my physics exam on Sunday. Thank you Papa Flammy!

  • @GAPIntoTheGame
    @GAPIntoTheGame 5 лет назад +6

    One of the few times on this channel that I feel as though this was completely elementary.
    Sincerely, a Mechanical Engineering student

  • @RC32Smiths01
    @RC32Smiths01 5 лет назад +12

    Always a pleasure to watch man. Lagrange mechanical work is always great indeed!

  • @WestCoastPA
    @WestCoastPA 5 лет назад +1

    i have a final tomorrow and Lagrangians are on it! this helped, thanks!

  • @98danielray
    @98danielray 5 лет назад +5

    nice video, Andrew Dotson

  • @shakeelurrahman1846
    @shakeelurrahman1846 2 года назад

    Very intuitive and fun way of teaching thanks alot

  • @ЧингизНабиев-э2г
    @ЧингизНабиев-э2г 5 лет назад +4

    Now we need wave equation!!!

  • @sumanbagora277
    @sumanbagora277 4 года назад

    This is the most fabulous channel one would ever get on you tube for fellow mathmatican

  • @owen7185
    @owen7185 7 месяцев назад

    You’re an awesome teacher

  • @pipertripp
    @pipertripp 5 лет назад

    that was fun. I'm just learning about these in basic mechanics. It's cool to see another way to conceptualize these bloody Atwood machines.

  • @David-km2ie
    @David-km2ie 5 лет назад +10

    Try a Hamilton-Jacobi boy

  • @samsamsammy2013
    @samsamsammy2013 5 лет назад

    So cool man. I'm doing aerospace engineering so this stuff is very interesting.

  • @islamzico7016
    @islamzico7016 5 лет назад +1

    An inspirational Lagrange method

  • @MathIguess
    @MathIguess 4 года назад +1

    Eyyyy I could follow at least halfway through so far
    Good stuff

  • @2false637
    @2false637 5 лет назад +1

    Flammy papa you should make a video on solving the easiest problem with Lagrangian mechanics

  • @jaikumar848
    @jaikumar848 5 лет назад +2

    I love combinations of physics and mathematics

  • @ugursoydan8187
    @ugursoydan8187 3 года назад +1

    I think the potential energies of the objects are wrong. I think you should write them as mg(h-y) where h is the height of the top of the pulley. But video was very good and Thank you for making such Physics-analysing videos. And I expect to see more videos on your channel like this.

    • @arushgarg7303
      @arushgarg7303 3 года назад +1

      Yes that might be correct but the mgh (when you expand out your expression) acts as a constant potential V_0 being added so it doesn’t impact the solution to the Euler-Lagrange equation. However, I think it’s a better logical explanation of what the potential energy is.

    • @ugursoydan8187
      @ugursoydan8187 3 года назад

      @@arushgarg7303 yeah, I have already realized it. you are right. when you take the derivative mg(h-y) =-mgy. thank you

  • @shoopinc
    @shoopinc 5 лет назад +13

    I want to see an example of a falling body with air resistance.

    • @GAPIntoTheGame
      @GAPIntoTheGame 5 лет назад +2

      Lagrangians don’t deal well with energy losses within systems. You’d have to artificially add the air resistance aspect of the formula (like b*v^2) once you’ve obtained the equation

    • @shoopinc
      @shoopinc 5 лет назад

      @@GAPIntoTheGame dang it Lagrange

    • @neilgerace355
      @neilgerace355 5 лет назад

      If you go to Pisa, you can be one

    • @shoopinc
      @shoopinc 5 лет назад +4

      @@neilgerace355 I'll try it out, can I borrow a parachute?

    • @DaveJ6515
      @DaveJ6515 4 года назад

      @shoop dawhoop This is easier: drop your cellphone.

  • @victorrizkallah6014
    @victorrizkallah6014 5 лет назад

    Eyy papa your physics videos are better than the maths ones

  • @igethacked23
    @igethacked23 5 лет назад +4

    “I’m going to call this length small L”
    *proceeds to write capital L*

  • @hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236
    @hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236 5 лет назад +4

    I love my at_morning_woods machine
    It works amazingly well

  • @neilgerace355
    @neilgerace355 5 лет назад +2

    That made sense even to me. I am sure I did this at uni.

  • @greenarchipelago7
    @greenarchipelago7 5 лет назад +1

    Excellent! But why was U of little m negative? If little m is increasing in height, then isn't its potential energy also increasing?

  • @pr4_kp
    @pr4_kp 4 года назад +2

    Can you make a weird noise in your next video? Like something so weird form your throat that people who are watching it will think that their headphones are broken but in reality its just you that is broke.

  • @benhaenraets4369
    @benhaenraets4369 Год назад

    "Now we can construct our Legrangian. We take this piece of shit right here" XD XD

  • @nareshmehndiratta
    @nareshmehndiratta 3 года назад

    wanted to see all your lectures in physics

  • @l1nk353
    @l1nk353 5 лет назад

    I gotta say. Great text on the merch

  • @J.P.Nery.N.
    @J.P.Nery.N. 5 лет назад

    Yay more physics Papa! Maybe some quantum next time?

  • @GAPIntoTheGame
    @GAPIntoTheGame 5 лет назад +3

    Wouldn’t you have to consider the rotational potential energy of the “pulley”(assuming it is rotating)?

    • @chimpluvr5
      @chimpluvr5 5 лет назад +3

      Typically you assume massless pulley for Atwood Machine problems

    • @tuomio5043
      @tuomio5043 5 лет назад +1

      @@chimpluvr5 unless youre in my physics class. It doesnt really make it that hard though if you still assume that the pulley turns frictionlessly.

  • @shambosaha9727
    @shambosaha9727 5 лет назад

    That's a nice combination of mathics and physematics...
    W A I T

  • @tszhanglau5747
    @tszhanglau5747 5 лет назад

    Papa Lagrange would be proud

  • @frozenmoon998
    @frozenmoon998 5 лет назад +3

    Funny thing, even though I am not into Physics or Mechanics, this stuff, when taught in elementary algebra (not all of it), is not satisfactory enough as popping some Calculus love in the mix.

  • @hydropage2855
    @hydropage2855 2 года назад +1

    What do the voices say at the beginning of the video? "Pappay Flammy's -----" I can't understand it

  • @georgettebeulah4427
    @georgettebeulah4427 4 года назад

    I love the jacket so cute cute. Maybe I will get a copy 😁😁😉

  • @MathIguess
    @MathIguess 4 года назад +2

    So.. the Langrangian L is a different L from the length of the rope.. and..
    when differentiating with respect to y' do you treat y as a constant?

    • @PapaFlammy69
      @PapaFlammy69  4 года назад +1

      yes

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 4 года назад

      Wait in the potential ener gu byiu forgpt to add the tension term of the rope pulling up on the rest of the rooe..in addition to gravity?

  • @hamasharif8612
    @hamasharif8612 5 лет назад

    Great video as usual papa x
    I was wondering why the potential energies for both M and m were negative? As their displacements in the y direction are in opposite directions

  • @AB-ts7gi
    @AB-ts7gi 3 года назад

    ist die Gleichung nur für die Masse m1? Also ganz am Ende hast du vergessen die y(t) als y1(t) zu bezeichnen. Wenn ja, dann löst man nach y2(t) auf indem man y1(t) in die Länge Gleichung L = y1+y2+piR einsetzt oder?

  • @loganwall2943
    @loganwall2943 5 лет назад +1

    I just finished all of my finals, what math concepts should I try to learn over break?

    • @loganwall2943
      @loganwall2943 5 лет назад +1

      Flammable Maths Thanks papa flammy

  • @AndarManik
    @AndarManik 5 лет назад

    Unrelated but video request.
    You can define the second derivative as an infinite matrix if you define all functions to be a matrix of Taylor coefficients. Solve the equation of a spring oscillator by finding the eigan vectors on the second derivative matrix

  • @sumanbagora277
    @sumanbagora277 4 года назад +1

    And our lagrangian is this peace of s... Right here 😂

  • @mtmath1123
    @mtmath1123 5 лет назад

    Good one.

  • @ilke3192
    @ilke3192 5 лет назад

    Thanks, now I wonder if I should attempt to use these instead of the good old Newtonian equations for my upcoming 101 midterm exam tomorrow...

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 5 лет назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 I drove my grader nuts by using topology to do my assignments in my first real analysis course. Fun days!

  • @amelhl6235
    @amelhl6235 Год назад

    i know you're german from your accent 😅 keep going bro good luck

  • @GusTheWolfgang
    @GusTheWolfgang 4 года назад

    beautiful!

  • @neilgerace355
    @neilgerace355 5 лет назад +8

    0:00 Animals have an end. Usually in my gut

  • @user-en5vj6vr2u
    @user-en5vj6vr2u 4 года назад +1

    Use F=ma to solve double pendulum

  • @twakilon
    @twakilon 4 года назад +1

    You should have solved it with hamilton-jacobi.

  • @Jokster1
    @Jokster1 4 года назад

    Nice!

  • @luca7253
    @luca7253 4 года назад

    What about Atwood machine whit a pulley whit mass?

  • @AB-ts7gi
    @AB-ts7gi 5 лет назад

    When u did the potentials. Why are both negative?

    • @yourdad9885
      @yourdad9885 5 лет назад +1

      Arman Braca , both y coordinates are smaller then zero every time. Just look at the picture

    • @AB-ts7gi
      @AB-ts7gi 5 лет назад

      @@yourdad9885 thx

  • @islamzico7016
    @islamzico7016 5 лет назад

    We want more examples on the same topic

  • @dalimilmatousek4074
    @dalimilmatousek4074 5 лет назад +6

    Lagrange and Hamilton redeemed classical physics in the eyes of mathematicians.

    • @manueljesusarredondoruiz2444
      @manueljesusarredondoruiz2444 5 лет назад

      Not sure about that... Classical Physics was obnoxiously geometric before that, but that domain was still within mathematics.

    • @dalimilmatousek4074
      @dalimilmatousek4074 5 лет назад

      @@manueljesusarredondoruiz2444 you mean the Newtonian herezy? Even Leibniz hated it when he was still alive.

  • @insert_a_good_name_here4585
    @insert_a_good_name_here4585 5 лет назад +4

    *rope*

  • @pwnd785
    @pwnd785 5 лет назад +3

    This video made me COOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!

  • @pranjaldas1762
    @pranjaldas1762 5 лет назад

    Please create more physics videos..

  • @UncoveredTruths
    @UncoveredTruths 5 лет назад

    that height is a bit :thinking:

  • @amirb715
    @amirb715 5 лет назад +1

    add the mass of the rope and see what happens

    • @cecilhenry9908
      @cecilhenry9908 5 лет назад

      It goes from a physics to an engineering problem!!!

    • @dramwertz4833
      @dramwertz4833 5 лет назад

      And then you can approximate all your variables and constants to 1 and it gets really easy :)

  • @FGj-xj7rd
    @FGj-xj7rd 5 лет назад +1

    Double dot ✌

    • @FGj-xj7rd
      @FGj-xj7rd 5 лет назад

      Papa Newton is a proud boi.

  • @carlosmanuellimaribeiro5577
    @carlosmanuellimaribeiro5577 5 лет назад

    Based

  • @yourdad9885
    @yourdad9885 5 лет назад

    Small nice lagrangian problem. Quite sad you decided not to assume the rotation energy of block. Тем не менее, отличное дерьмо!

  • @yaoooy
    @yaoooy 5 лет назад +1

    Papà flammy uses Lagrangian mechanics
    Newton mechanics: am I a joke to you?

  • @SAMATB
    @SAMATB 5 лет назад

    Hallo einflussreicher Mathematiker. Ich habe dir gesagt, dass du Physik magst.

    • @SAMATB
      @SAMATB 5 лет назад

      Einer Prophezeiung zufolge wird sich Mr. Flammy (Genie) bald treffen.

  • @69ms
    @69ms 5 лет назад +2

    I know my newtonian mechanics well but this shit looks like it's from a higher dimension

  • @Tomaplen
    @Tomaplen 5 лет назад

    I was like, why the fuck the lagrangian is y1+y1+pi r?
    then I noticed it was the laplace transform and not the lagrangian xd

  • @ideilsonsilva989
    @ideilsonsilva989 3 года назад

    A resolução entendi, queria mesmo era compreender as explicações, más infelizmente não entendo inglês

  • @federicopagano6590
    @federicopagano6590 4 года назад

    SEXY FLAMMABLE

  • @brendanfan3245
    @brendanfan3245 2 года назад

    the starting part is a kind of humor? don't understand

  • @sanketm1663
    @sanketm1663 5 лет назад +1

    Early

    • @sanketm1663
      @sanketm1663 5 лет назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 (个_个) notice me senpai moment right here

  • @거미남자_spidy
    @거미남자_spidy 5 лет назад +1

    sorry... i love math but i really hate physics....
    ........ I'm really bad at physics. :(