As someone whose been enjoying your channel I do have a critic. So spinning out isn’t borderline personality disorder is bipolar disorder type 1 (WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT) and it’s really bothersome when people confuse them. As someone who is bipolar I LOVE spinning out. It’s the first time I saw bipolar as something other than a joke or a villain and I loved that the two characters with bipolar disorder behave differently and how mania and obsessive compulsions interact with sports and can become a hyper fixation in an unhealthy way. It really accurately portrayed the fallout that comes after you come down from a manic episode and how it can damage the relationships around you. I totally understand why someone might not like it but if your main complaint is the mental illness aspect you could at least make sure you’re talking about the right mental illness.
Nahh I’m burned out from school and skating but not so much the videos. I will confess, however, that I’ve played way more minecraft in the past month than I probably should though and that’s partially why my upload schedule’s been a little wonky😂
@@Hazook I completely feel you on the Minecraft front XD. Do I play Minecraft at 2am when I should be studying and sleeping? Yes, very much yes ahahaha. However, if it's something that calms and relaxes you then we can just call it selfcare as well XD
23:55 THAT 10TH OF A POINT WAS WELL LOST. I have gone crazy waiting for that movie, they have announced release dates so many times, and then not released it. WE NEED ICE ADOLESCENCE!!!!!!!!!
I've made everyone I can convince watch Yuri on Ice 😭 I love that they did rotoscoping for the skating scenes, and yeah, it being queercoded is a huge plus 🥰
Thanks for all the good bad and ugly reviews, Zookie. Only watched Spinning Out and I Tonya so far, but I really want to watch them all because they are more or less about ... figure skating. Btw I have a total outsider‘s perspective as I come from inline skating. I can somehow tell that all the drama is way too much, the same way as in ballet movies. It’s still great entertainment.
[I have an annoying tendency for long comments, so I apologize in advance. Cause I'm passionate about this topic and no one else around me is and I loved your take on it so I know this is gonna be a particularly long one 😅] FS movies are totally my guilty pleasure. Like - I never really expect anything too good - because let's be honest, we all know how it is. But I love skating so much, that if a movie just shows me some decent figure skates, a nice ice rink and captures the atmosphere of skating - I'm there for it (even if I laugh out loud throughout and annoyingly point out all the impossibile, ridiculous, unrealistic stuff that happens. Cause that part is true - when you get into skating/become a skater it's inevitable). I used to think I could watch the worst of it if it just had skating in it. Well, in comes netflix's "Zero Chill"..... Couldn't do it (this is a warning 🙃). I later put it on as a background show for painting and sped it up for the more irritating scenes (so most of it, honestly), cause I was curious of the scenes people were laughing at online (like when the main character, who had Ice Fly boots was melting over Overtures in the shop. Because they're the "new big thing" 😂 priceless) Never touched Kiss and Cry after the trailer. But I still have it on my list, cause it was filmed in the Cricket Club and I'm a TCC stan 😅 And the Cutting Edges plots annoy me, so I haven't seen them since childhood. (Also that straight agenda 😂) (seriously though, can't stand how the "arrogant hockey f-boy" learns to figure skate with barely any effort AND gets the girl) I actually kind of like Go Figure. But I suspect that it's the nostalgia speaking, cause as a kid my standards were of course even lower for fs movies. Still it irritates me, cause it's more about hockey and kind of shows FS in a negative light. Fun fact about Ice Princess being an inspiring movie like you mentioned - Zahra Lari is an Emirati figure skater who started her career at 13 after being inspired by the movie. She hasn't had major success in the sport, but it's still super impressive. I watched Yuri just last year, cause I'm not really into anime (it's really hard for me to adjust to that type of animation style) - but I totally understand now why people love it. Treats figure skating seriously and with visible love, depicts it realistically, fun plot, AND a queer relationship? Yes please! (one good thing about watching it so late is that I've only been waiting a few months and not 6 years for Ice Adolescence, haha) Totally agree we need a more serious/adult Ice Princess type fs movie/show though. 17:22 is spot on! Congrats if you got thorugh this rant 😅 Hope you get a break soon from the things that are burning you out! Take care of yourself (and DFTBA)
Well now I'm curious and tempted to go watch Zero Chill and Go Figure... I swear I yelled at my phone when I saw Kiss and Cry was at TCC😂 I just want more Yuri On Ice-esque content, is that too much to ask for...😭 Thank you, you take care as well! DFTBA!
Haha I didn’t read your warning and am now watching Zero Chill. It’s sooo cringey, even from a 100% outsider’s perspective. So many triggers in there, but the worst is me questioning every time when someone is figure skating: do figure skaters always wear stage costumes for their training sessions? 😬😬😬
Very interesting. On the subject of Yuri on Ice, one thing I think you did miss is that it also has elements of disordered eating... or well, it has Yuri being fatshamed multible times (despite being skinny), and there's the whole concept of food as a reward that must be earned. Not saying that it's not realistic, especially not for high level figure skaters, but since you pointed it out for the other, I think it deserves to be mentioned here as well. I don't think it means you shouldn't watch it or anything, you listed a lot of reasons why it's good both as a story and as representation of figure skating, but as someone who does struggle with disordered eating, if anyone else is in the same boat, I would advise approaching Yuri on Ice show with caution. (it might get cleared up later in the show, idk, I was only able to watch the first three episodes) On a different note, having them all put together does make you realise that there's also a bit of an obsession with pair skating, huh? I mean, I totally get it, from a story perspective there's a lot of potential for an interesting character dynamic , but please FS film makers, can we get some appreciation for my main love ice dance? Surely I wasn't the only one who watched that scene in Spinning Out where the coach was like "oh, you're so elegant, you have such upper body strength" to the main character who is literally scared of jumping, and thought "why not ice dance though."
[Please don't feel obligated to read over this comment, I do discuss disordered eating a fair bit so here's a general trigger warning] You're absolutely right, I'm sorry I didn't address that in the video. I think part of the issue is that those types of underhanded comments about food that tend to encourage disordered eating is quite common in Japan. Food is a really big theme in the show, and while I perceived a lot of it to be positive -- Yuuri uses pork cutlet bowls to help him portray 'Eros', the characters explore the foods of different countries, pork cutlet piroshkis are used as a symbol of friendship between Yuuri and Yurio, etc -- the subconscious messaging of the first few episodes can be really harmful. While part of the blame could probably be pushed onto Japanese society as a whole (it's just really really toxic, don't even get me started haha), I think the show runners could have been able to avoid the shaming and still tell the story. The sad thing is that it's quite reflective of typical casual conversation in Japan, so it could just be the show runners subconsciously wrote it in because of how normal it is there. From my own personal experience, my mom said and still says the same type of things to me and about people around me, because her upbringing in Japan made it normal for her. I've tried to point it out whenever she does since it's a lot less accepted in the west and has been quite harmful to me in the past, but it gets past me fairly often, especially when it's in Japanese.
@@Hazook Thank you for taking the time to write that. I had heard of that before, but I wasn't entirely sure how much of it was stereotype, so the additional cultural context is very useful. It did also make me want to go back and revisit YoI at some point in the future.
As someone whose been enjoying your channel I do have a critic. So spinning out isn’t borderline personality disorder is bipolar disorder type 1 (WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT) and it’s really bothersome when people confuse them. As someone who is bipolar I LOVE spinning out. It’s the first time I saw bipolar as something other than a joke or a villain and I loved that the two characters with bipolar disorder behave differently and how mania and obsessive compulsions interact with sports and can become a hyper fixation in an unhealthy way. It really accurately portrayed the fallout that comes after you come down from a manic episode and how it can damage the relationships around you. I totally understand why someone might not like it but if your main complaint is the mental illness aspect you could at least make sure you’re talking about the right mental illness.
I AM HERE FOR THE CHAOS. Also, if you're burnt out, no one is gonna fault you for taking a break. SELF 👏 CARE 👏 IS 👏 IMPORTANT 🙃
Nahh I’m burned out from school and skating but not so much the videos. I will confess, however, that I’ve played way more minecraft in the past month than I probably should though and that’s partially why my upload schedule’s been a little wonky😂
@@Hazook I completely feel you on the Minecraft front XD. Do I play Minecraft at 2am when I should be studying and sleeping? Yes, very much yes ahahaha. However, if it's something that calms and relaxes you then we can just call it selfcare as well XD
23:55 THAT 10TH OF A POINT WAS WELL LOST. I have gone crazy waiting for that movie, they have announced release dates so many times, and then not released it. WE NEED ICE ADOLESCENCE!!!!!!!!!
I really appreciated the trigger warning. That stuff doesn’t bode well with me.
ALSO ALSO, I fricking loooove Yuri On Ice
I've made everyone I can convince watch Yuri on Ice 😭 I love that they did rotoscoping for the skating scenes, and yeah, it being queercoded is a huge plus 🥰
I felt that sigh at 18:45
You have the most incredible energy, oml.
Hahaa thank ya
I agree. Don't watch Yuri on Ice
It's gonna ruin every other fs-themed show/movie forever. Nothing compares to that rainbow band-aid for your soul 😉
Thanks for all the good bad and ugly reviews, Zookie. Only watched Spinning Out and I Tonya so far, but I really want to watch them all because they are more or less about ... figure skating. Btw I have a total outsider‘s perspective as I come from inline skating. I can somehow tell that all the drama is way too much, the same way as in ballet movies. It’s still great entertainment.
Hahaa, exactly like ballet movies!
[I have an annoying tendency for long comments, so I apologize in advance. Cause I'm passionate about this topic and no one else around me is and I loved your take on it so I know this is gonna be a particularly long one 😅]
FS movies are totally my guilty pleasure. Like - I never really expect anything too good - because let's be honest, we all know how it is. But I love skating so much, that if a movie just shows me some decent figure skates, a nice ice rink and captures the atmosphere of skating - I'm there for it (even if I laugh out loud throughout and annoyingly point out all the impossibile, ridiculous, unrealistic stuff that happens. Cause that part is true - when you get into skating/become a skater it's inevitable).
I used to think I could watch the worst of it if it just had skating in it. Well, in comes netflix's "Zero Chill"..... Couldn't do it (this is a warning 🙃). I later put it on as a background show for painting and sped it up for the more irritating scenes (so most of it, honestly), cause I was curious of the scenes people were laughing at online (like when the main character, who had Ice Fly boots was melting over Overtures in the shop. Because they're the "new big thing" 😂 priceless)
Never touched Kiss and Cry after the trailer. But I still have it on my list, cause it was filmed in the Cricket Club and I'm a TCC stan 😅 And the Cutting Edges plots annoy me, so I haven't seen them since childhood. (Also that straight agenda 😂) (seriously though, can't stand how the "arrogant hockey f-boy" learns to figure skate with barely any effort AND gets the girl)
I actually kind of like Go Figure. But I suspect that it's the nostalgia speaking, cause as a kid my standards were of course even lower for fs movies. Still it irritates me, cause it's more about hockey and kind of shows FS in a negative light.
Fun fact about Ice Princess being an inspiring movie like you mentioned - Zahra Lari is an Emirati figure skater who started her career at 13 after being inspired by the movie. She hasn't had major success in the sport, but it's still super impressive.
I watched Yuri just last year, cause I'm not really into anime (it's really hard for me to adjust to that type of animation style) - but I totally understand now why people love it. Treats figure skating seriously and with visible love, depicts it realistically, fun plot, AND a queer relationship? Yes please! (one good thing about watching it so late is that I've only been waiting a few months and not 6 years for Ice Adolescence, haha)
Totally agree we need a more serious/adult Ice Princess type fs movie/show though. 17:22 is spot on!
Congrats if you got thorugh this rant 😅 Hope you get a break soon from the things that are burning you out!
Take care of yourself (and DFTBA)
Well now I'm curious and tempted to go watch Zero Chill and Go Figure... I swear I yelled at my phone when I saw Kiss and Cry was at TCC😂 I just want more Yuri On Ice-esque content, is that too much to ask for...😭 Thank you, you take care as well! DFTBA!
Haha I didn’t read your warning and am now watching Zero Chill. It’s sooo cringey, even from a 100% outsider’s perspective. So many triggers in there, but the worst is me questioning every time when someone is figure skating: do figure skaters always wear stage costumes for their training sessions? 😬😬😬
Very interesting. On the subject of Yuri on Ice, one thing I think you did miss is that it also has elements of disordered eating... or well, it has Yuri being fatshamed multible times (despite being skinny), and there's the whole concept of food as a reward that must be earned. Not saying that it's not realistic, especially not for high level figure skaters, but since you pointed it out for the other, I think it deserves to be mentioned here as well. I don't think it means you shouldn't watch it or anything, you listed a lot of reasons why it's good both as a story and as representation of figure skating, but as someone who does struggle with disordered eating, if anyone else is in the same boat, I would advise approaching Yuri on Ice show with caution.
(it might get cleared up later in the show, idk, I was only able to watch the first three episodes)
On a different note, having them all put together does make you realise that there's also a bit of an obsession with pair skating, huh? I mean, I totally get it, from a story perspective there's a lot of potential for an interesting character dynamic , but please FS film makers, can we get some appreciation for my main love ice dance?
Surely I wasn't the only one who watched that scene in Spinning Out where the coach was like "oh, you're so elegant, you have such upper body strength" to the main character who is literally scared of jumping, and thought "why not ice dance though."
[Please don't feel obligated to read over this comment, I do discuss disordered eating a fair bit so here's a general trigger warning]
You're absolutely right, I'm sorry I didn't address that in the video. I think part of the issue is that those types of underhanded comments about food that tend to encourage disordered eating is quite common in Japan.
Food is a really big theme in the show, and while I perceived a lot of it to be positive -- Yuuri uses pork cutlet bowls to help him portray 'Eros', the characters explore the foods of different countries, pork cutlet piroshkis are used as a symbol of friendship between Yuuri and Yurio, etc -- the subconscious messaging of the first few episodes can be really harmful. While part of the blame could probably be pushed onto Japanese society as a whole (it's just really really toxic, don't even get me started haha), I think the show runners could have been able to avoid the shaming and still tell the story. The sad thing is that it's quite reflective of typical casual conversation in Japan, so it could just be the show runners subconsciously wrote it in because of how normal it is there.
From my own personal experience, my mom said and still says the same type of things to me and about people around me, because her upbringing in Japan made it normal for her. I've tried to point it out whenever she does since it's a lot less accepted in the west and has been quite harmful to me in the past, but it gets past me fairly often, especially when it's in Japanese.
@@Hazook Thank you for taking the time to write that. I had heard of that before, but I wasn't entirely sure how much of it was stereotype, so the additional cultural context is very useful.
It did also make me want to go back and revisit YoI at some point in the future.