The Finals kinda SUCKS (but it doesn't have to)

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  • Опубликовано: 6 май 2024
  • The Finals just released another new gamemode, but it's failed to turn around the steady player decline the game is facing. In this video I offer a creative and well thought out approach on how to actually fix The Finals, by focussing on improving on what the game already has instead of adding random stuff to try and drag new players in.
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  • @TazAlonzo
    @TazAlonzo 24 дня назад +63

    I didn't know The Finals was a mil sim.

    • @TazAlonzo
      @TazAlonzo 24 дня назад +1

      Bro has the Stampy laugh. 9:30

    • @lophiy
      @lophiy 24 дня назад +2

      What’s a mil sim?

    • @Jett_Wave
      @Jett_Wave 24 дня назад +7

      ​ @lophiy Military Simulation.
      Think Squad, ARMA, Tarkov, etc. The Finals definitely isn't lol

  • @BlueBeats169
    @BlueBeats169 24 дня назад +31

    I just love when people act like the only people playing the finals are on steam, and then say its dead without even looking at the console playerbase lol.

    • @alicatdotcom
      @alicatdotcom 24 дня назад +5

      There's alot of console players recently! They are less sweaty and more easy going in general! I get PC teammates rage quitting on me minutes before we win the game..

    • @LezzSamurai
      @LezzSamurai 22 дня назад

      It's booming on PS5

    • @Championclips15
      @Championclips15 19 дней назад +1

      Fr, one of the embark devs came out and said they average over 600,000 players per day I believe

    • @gepsal209
      @gepsal209 8 дней назад

      @@Championclips15 No, it's 5,000,000 I think.
      Source: Trust me, bro.

  • @DaRealXotic
    @DaRealXotic 24 дня назад +73

    This Opinion kinda SUCKS (But it doesnt have to)

    • @5Chr5ome5
      @5Chr5ome5 23 дня назад +3

      grand glazemaster 💀💀💀 mf didn't even watch the video

    • @ZacHamari
      @ZacHamari 20 дней назад

      Is blud speaking fax?

    • @gepsal209
      @gepsal209 8 дней назад

      And this is why The Finals will never be BIG, its community refuses to change.

    • @DaRealXotic
      @DaRealXotic 8 дней назад +1

      @gepsal209 Or maybe it's because the community is full of people like you, who are too serious to take a joke.

    • @acidrain6179
      @acidrain6179 6 часов назад

      ​Lets make the game just like every other game. Thats unique.​@@gepsal209

  • @SomethingSomethingSynth
    @SomethingSomethingSynth 24 дня назад +10

    It all falls apart when he realizes that people have just as much fun if not more using silly things like riot shields and daggers. Adding an economy won’t help, it’ll just make it harder, more unstable CS2. Also it’s really weird to say “you’re asking for something you don’t want.” Nah man I think you’re just fringe.

  • @HyperboreanPC
    @HyperboreanPC 24 дня назад +76

    Your video is well made. That being said, it's a hard disagree for me. The finals is competitive, but it also aims to be a sandbox at the same time. There's a meta, but you don't have to lock yourself into it to have fun in this game, that's what's so great about it. Changing the class system entirely will take away the sandbox

    • @gravy3991
      @gravy3991 24 дня назад +8

      I agree 100% with you. People look into metas wayyyyy too much. Play the game how you wanna play, you’ll get good enough.

    • @DelTurts
      @DelTurts 23 дня назад

      you say this, but extremely few people will intentionally put themselves in a weaker position in a heavily competitive game, especially with small teams where each person matters way more.

    • @HyperboreanPC
      @HyperboreanPC 22 дня назад +4

      @DelTurts I think most people just take games too serious.

    • @DelTurts
      @DelTurts 22 дня назад +1

      @@HyperboreanPC very true, i have an attitude where I feel I'm winning if I have fun with a game, and loose if I don't have fun, regardless of actual outcome (I uninstalled League after realizing this xD )

    • @Davex1555
      @Davex1555 20 дней назад +2

      meta is most* effective but that doesnt mean other weapons arent effective

  • @Staintedd
    @Staintedd 24 дня назад +35

    I disagree pretty hard with your points. Add more interesting playstyles by having more interesting weapons and making them actually viable (i.e TF2's style)

    • @alicatdotcom
      @alicatdotcom 24 дня назад +3

      When boring machine guns are "meta" your only gonna get boring gameplay. There's some really unique and cool weapons but they aren't competitive or consistent. I have teammates rage quit on me because I choose to use different stuff. That's not even in ranked..

    • @dunce7373
      @dunce7373 24 дня назад

      Imagine if playing revolver was actually viable and not soft throwing

    • @SaschaH-iy9fg
      @SaschaH-iy9fg 16 дней назад

      @@dunce7373 or the pump shotgun for heavy

    • @gepsal209
      @gepsal209 8 дней назад

      @@SaschaH-iy9fg or throwing knifes...

  • @croatnobody
    @croatnobody 24 дня назад +28

    I dont wanna sound mean, but the analysis feels a bit shallow. Not to say it wrong, just missing any other perspective other perspective eg. R6 siege is still kicking, yet it doesnt work in the way youve described -> building your power up thru the game.
    Also we dont know the structure of the gmae code wise, so making the changes youve proposed could be damn near impossible (tho I doubt it is)
    I agree that clearly the game needs something different in how it plays, but I dont know how much would this idea work

    • @dunce7373
      @dunce7373 24 дня назад

      Real, arena shooters are a whole ass genre and they don't work this way.

    • @callumdrew5459
      @callumdrew5459 23 дня назад

      He wants it to be a game it's not while giving his solution which is a bs copy and paste of counter strike

  • @Jett_Wave
    @Jett_Wave 24 дня назад +16

    I hard disagree with so much from this video.
    All team comps can work all the way up to Plat/Diamond. Heavy/Heavy/Medium has been the high Elo meta since launch, not MMH. Most weapons are viable, but you said FCAR is the only one that works for Medium. The AKM and 1887 are viable, and now since the FCAR nerf in 2.6, its much more balanced.
    I dont understand how people say this game gets stale, with all of the destruction and variables between teams.
    The amount of money you bank in tournaments increases the ELO rewarded for the win. Sure its safe to not start the next cashout, but the last vaults usually dont start until theres 2 minutes or less left. Its not safe to hold a vault as the winning team, becuase you risk getting wiped. Usually, at least 3 teams need to fight for these, because 2nd place will be knocked out if they dont. 1st place may even get knocked out too if they dont have a great enough of a lead.
    All of your suggestions are just stealing ideas from CS. I dont see how any of this would work with how tournaments currently play.
    These suggestions, boiled down, is just "copy CS." It sounds like you just want to play CS man.
    Let Embark refine what they already have, keeping The Finals identity, instead of just copying CS.

    • @HyperboreanPC
      @HyperboreanPC 24 дня назад +9

      Yea. The video is well made but his argument is pretty much:
      "I only play the meta builds every match. Why is the game so stale? It should be more like CS."
      I haven't gotten bored with this game precisely cause of the huge sandbox built into it. I can try litterally any playstyle i can think of. First i was a rambo heavy mowing people down with an M60, then I ran only explosives on heavy with the MG3L and spent my matches blowing people and buildings up. Now i bonk people with hammers and sometimes I'll roleplay as a british person with the dagger

    • @juremeljo2686
      @juremeljo2686 24 дня назад +5

      Also, beacouse teams come into the second round from diffrent games, one team could have just stomped one lobby, while you had aclose game, and now they get to stomp even harder, giving you no chanc of coming back using strategy , since they have a advantage in skill, equipment AND possibly even a better comp+a voicechat... sounds like a lovly time, try ing to win without abilities, simply beacuse your first round was acually of good quality and close

    • @Jett_Wave
      @Jett_Wave 24 дня назад +4

      @juremeljo2686 it doesn't even make sense. The only way this would work is if it was in a mode like the new limited time mode where you're facing the same teams each round, and I would loath seeing something like this added. It's completely unoriginal. It's like saying; "you know what would make this game great? If they just copied CS." The end result would be players that like The Finals hating the changes, and CS players being like, "Why would I play this when I just came from CS?"

    • @e.m.pikachu6700
      @e.m.pikachu6700 20 дней назад +1

      Definitely agree with you. Tho. I will say an alternative money to buy stuff mode would be really fun regardless

  • @smokejumper749
    @smokejumper749 24 дня назад +22

    if theres one thing that would hook me to the game its wallrunning and movement like in titanfall. the maps already look like they have been made for this...

    • @fabiobianciardi3987
      @fabiobianciardi3987 24 дня назад +4

      Oh god please no

    • @YouSame2
      @YouSame2 23 дня назад +2

      Yes plz! Sign me up i want wall running so bad in this game

    • @stode5743
      @stode5743 23 дня назад +1

      No

    • @MEGAMIGA
      @MEGAMIGA 11 дней назад

      No need to wallrun - destroy the walls instead! 😁

  • @ODM.
    @ODM. 24 дня назад +11

    any who says this game is bad its just trash at is

  • @dadakakadada
    @dadakakadada 24 дня назад +6

    using money inter-match is really nice idea. however, the main reason why the finals is struggling is that nobody wants to play a new fps game when they already have a game that they love and devote time. i think no new fps game would become popular anymore.

    • @ulz_glc
      @ulz_glc 24 дня назад

      isnt that just a different way of saying The Finals is worse than the already popular fps games? Or did I misunderstand it?
      If you make it just as good or even better than already popular fps games, why shouldnt it work?
      many people dont want to play the same game for decades, even if its good, they want to have some variety and divversity in what they play.

    • @dadakakadada
      @dadakakadada 23 дня назад

      @@ulz_glc some people do want to play new stuff but not everybody is like that and it does not guarantee whether they are going to switch. If it does not feel the way one felt when they played their favorite game for the first time, they won't get hooked on to it; they would only stay for short time to check it out. This does not mean that the finals should be like other fps titles(it should never lose its originality). Although, at the initial success of the finals, everybody was saying "it is a breath of fresh air" on reviews, nobody stayed on the game for that reason. I think embark did a decent job on making a few but solid fanbase(at least 10000 people) in a already saturated market. Also to clarify your doubt, the finals is a great game, but nobody cared about it. xdefiant is going to face similar fate i believe.

    • @ulz_glc
      @ulz_glc 23 дня назад

      @@dadakakadada well, I think The Finals is putting to much stuff into the game without properly adjusting or fitting them together, so people are interested to see the new mechanics, but as teh video said, it became very dull very quickly.
      almost only one combination of classes and one weapon each is actually good, the gimmicks and elements dont interact like in a CS:GO or Battlefield or other games, so you play a dull game even if it has many gimmicks.
      So I think its just a badly planned game that simply isnt good enough to compete.
      Just because people say its good but dont keep playing, doesnt mean that it was actually good and players need something else than a good game to like teh game.
      It could simply be that it has interesting gimmicks and graphics and so on, but as I said it they stop playinmg only after some time because it has no variaty, not much interaction despite the huge amount of things that are being added, and things like that.

    • @taawesome2949
      @taawesome2949 21 день назад

      It’s the marketing. I’m a business student so yeah. That play a major role

  • @juremeljo2686
    @juremeljo2686 24 дня назад +6

    So what you want is to begin the second round at a disadvantage, becouse theteamds from the other game won with 60.000 by stomping the 3 light comps, while you make it with 20 , becouse you were fighting against 3 mmh comps? Sounds fun, especiall, now that qualing round 1 doest guarneteed elo

  • @HalidYusein
    @HalidYusein 24 дня назад +9

    Slorgs' editorial content slaps.

  • @ApterTheRaptor
    @ApterTheRaptor 24 дня назад +11

    This video :
    "Stop having fun!!!"

  • @ioplup
    @ioplup 24 дня назад +14

    As a counterstrike degenerate, I hard disagree with your reasons for the popularity and player retention of the series. I agree that in league, that slow build of economy and stakes make every game unique.
    However for CS, I believe it is two things, both of which the finals lacks.
    Crisp gunplay - The guns in CS feel great, despite the recoil and lack of ads, they feel satisfying to shoot, they feel difficult yet controllable. The finals guns feel like guns made out of jelly, everytime you pull the trigger, the gun bounces all over the place
    The ability to out aim someone, and that wins you the fight, everytime - The finals has too many variables, its why overwatch hasn't stuck around. Shooters that focus on shooting, and rewarding you for purely good shooting, do well. In the finals, as a medium, I have to use all 30 rounds to kill a heavy while he's ziplining and charging all over the place and get pocket healed and using a giant pad and so on. Whereas in CS, I come around a corner, 1 tap a guy holding an angle, instant dopamine, I've just had a huge effect on that round.
    No matter how good your aim is, there is some pocket healed, RPG wielding maniac, or some invisible child stabbing you in the back.
    CS is simple on the surface, with an extreme amount of depth below. Aim can get you very far in the game, so anybody can load it up and play it, not feeling like they have to do homework to be good at it. But when you start to face tougher opponents, and you still want to win, you take the time out of your day to do that homework, learn nade lineups, learn strats, watch the pros.
    Finals is casual, CS is competitive.

    • @quadroff
      @quadroff 24 дня назад +10

      I personally hate cs after dumping 600 hours into it, and I see your point, but saying a game is "casual" only because pure motorics and reflexes decide slightly less in it is wrong in my opinion. CS allows to make up for lacking aim with clever positioning, utility usage and teamwork, but the balance of "aim vs soft skills" is still shifted to aim. In The Finals this balance is shifted slightly towards the soft skills, but with certain guns you can still win 1v1s purely with your hard skills. It seems like The Finals is just not your type of game with it's longer ttk and other features, and it's fine, but please don't try to convince others that we should turn every shooter into CS(I would have to quit shooters all together if this happens). Also Overwatch failed because Blizzard made a series of very bad decisions when making and supporting OW2, not because it was a bad game

    • @donovanjoseph737
      @donovanjoseph737 24 дня назад +4

      ​@@quadroffagreed. I hate how counterstrike guns feel and being one-shot for rounding a corner by some knob with a sniper always sucks. I like how the gunplay feels in the finals since it's a lot easier to make interesting plays without being instantly punished.

    • @quadroff
      @quadroff 24 дня назад +3

      @@donovanjoseph737 your last point is great. The gunplay in CS is a bit antiquated, but can still be satisfying(I never learned the spray patterns properly tho, so it's probably even better than I remember it). Dying to AWPs can feel unfair, but that's how the game's been balanced for decades now and there's no way around it(although I think a bit of an ADS animation wouldn't hurt to make quickscopes less powerful). What pisses me off is how strong the AWP is on lower ranks/faceit lvls, and how much people using it there like to brag about their kills when half of them is just standing in place scoping an obvious spot, and how you can't even use it because it's "only for good players".

  • @gravy3991
    @gravy3991 24 дня назад +2

    Not to be that guy but whenever there’s a meta in any games I play I tend to stray away from what everyone else is playing. It just makes the game seem boring to me🤷🏻 I think everyone should give every weapon a shot before giving in to using what’s “best”

    • @gravy3991
      @gravy3991 24 дня назад

      I do think the money system needs to be worked on, I don’t think it should be implemented like that though. Just another fortnite/ apex then. The amount of weapons/ gadgets makes it so there’s enough variety.

  • @harveycritchley4038
    @harveycritchley4038 12 дней назад +1

    I’ve had a similar opinion to this from the beginning.
    Also get rid of S/M/L. Make everyone medium and allow purchase of all weapons/abilities.

  • @taawesome2949
    @taawesome2949 21 день назад +1

    I think adding depth to the money mechanic in the final does make for an interesting alternative game mode. That said,
    Your idea of using money to determine loadouts might seem like it would increase variety, but in practice, it could actually reinforce the use of meta weapons, especially in ranked play. Here's why: In competitive settings, players are driven to optimize their chances of winning. If budget constraints come into play, teams will prioritize the most cost-effective and powerful options available-the meta weapons. This is because these weapons are proven to be effective and offer the best return on investment in terms of performance per cost. I’m diamond 2 and let me tell you, even if your whole team is build around riot shield. So long as everyone else in the lobby doesn’t use gimmick weapon like you do. It just not gonna work. That just how outclass the riot shield is as a weapon.
    Idk about you guy, but I don’t think the final should focus on being the next esport. Look at tf2 and overwatch. Look at what chasing the esport scene did to their game. While I think the final also isn’t as simple as cod or battlefield, trust me when I said this game is build first and foremost for casual audience (which is a good thing since that’s where the majority of the player is).
    Lastly, I must be frank. Your take feels a bit naïve to me. It looks like you saw the cash mechanic in The Final and immediately thought, “Hey, this could be like the economy system in CS:GO.” But here’s the thing-the setup in The Final is totally different. While CS:GO and Valorant are all about two teams going head-to-head, The Final throws four teams into the mix at once in a battle royale format. This setup makes turning The Final into something highly competitive kind of tricky. Pros aren’t big fans of the unpredictability that comes with things like third-party fights, which can really throw a wrench into a tightly competitive scene.
    So, what I’m suggesting is that if The Final is going to borrow elements from any game, it should be from a game that embodies the battle royale genre, like Apex Legends. For instance, introducing a benefit for wiping a squad-similar to how players can swap armor in Apex-could mitigate the issues caused by third parties.
    Which By the way, despite its inherent RNG, pros tolerate Apex’s competitive scene because there are tangible rewards for eliminating opponents. Not only do they earn points that contribute to their out-of-game ranking, but they also have the chance to upgrade their gear with better attachments found on fallen enemies-features that The Final currently lacks. (Which once again show why the final going competitive will be tough)
    To say that adding new content doesn’t work when even in your example of league of legend. The game also add new content all the time. Is also just ^^’
    Adding content does work, it just the content that has been added to the final so far has been incremental (which is why we have the stale meta today)
    And who can’t blame the dev. They are a small team compare to beast like ea,Ubisoft, valve, etc etc. Thus we all need to wait for embark to cook.
    Edit: Jesus people. Manner. It’s not enough to just call someone else opinion “suck”. Tell them why. Address it properly why you disagree. Keep it civil. At the end of the day, this guy share his opinion and put so much effort in his editing because he genuinely believe his take will make the game more fun for everyone. Wouldn’t hurt to be a bit more kind? ^^

  • @goldy_on_pc930
    @goldy_on_pc930 13 дней назад

    One more problem within the finals is the respawn time, unlike CS, Valorant, siege or league, finals gameplay is incredibly fast paced and twitchy with builds, strategies, movement and the TTD is fast if u play as light, it’s incredibly jarring to wait 40 seconds to over a minute to respawn when the gameplay is so incredibly twitchy and fast, map design, round time and respawn locations amplify this issue

  • @SHINYREDBULLETS
    @SHINYREDBULLETS 24 дня назад +2

    Clever ideas, i love them! I don't play it because im too into EFT, but enjoy watching short fun vids of it occasionally. It never really drew me in; your fantastic description of the *economy factor* really opened my eyes to why I played literally thousands upon thousands of hours of counterstrike back in the day, and why im addicted to EFT now! I honestly hope the Devs see this (and give you the justifiable 1% of the profits following implementation of your ideas) because it really would turn The Finals into a far more interesting, exciting and importantly *VARIED* game to watch/play! :)

    • @-tr0n
      @-tr0n 24 дня назад +1

      Holy shit! I miss shiny videos, hope you're doing well man!

    • @SHINYREDBULLETS
      @SHINYREDBULLETS 24 дня назад

      @@-tr0n aww, thats really kind of ya dude! My pc can't handle game+recording anymore - I miss the fun of editing some madness! Hope yer good too bud :)

  • @bezbez1
    @bezbez1 24 дня назад +2

    I stopped playing it because there were too many mfs who could see thru walls and turn invisible.
    Seeing enemies thru walls is literally cheating, its a hack, and these goofies put it in the game as an ability, same thing with invisibility.
    The finals main attraction for me is the destruction physics, if they want people like me to come back they should add more ways to blow shit up, and not add yet another twinky pink ass hello kitty whatever cosmetic item.

    • @REDACTED__007
      @REDACTED__007 24 дня назад +10

      They removed the ability to see through walls and they nerfed invis

    • @fabiobianciardi3987
      @fabiobianciardi3987 24 дня назад +5

      I sense skill issues here.

    • @user-oh4ui1et4c
      @user-oh4ui1et4c 24 дня назад

      I can sense an idiot!

    • @bezbez1
      @bezbez1 23 дня назад

      @@fabiobianciardi3987 of course, i lose 1v1's more often than not, but it only becomes frustrating when my opponent already knows where i am via legal wall hacks or keeps turning invisible.

    • @fabiobianciardi3987
      @fabiobianciardi3987 23 дня назад

      @@bezbez1 light is effectively useless if you stay close to your team. The strong point of lights is getting free kills on isolated enemies. That's very easy to counter. Medium and especially heavy are the class that should be nerfed.

  • @LakevusParadice
    @LakevusParadice 23 дня назад

    The game simply doesn’t have enough to do. A game show gimmick only holds people attention so long when there’s literally nothing to do inside of it.

  • @nicholaskritz9323
    @nicholaskritz9323 24 дня назад +2

    idk man the finals is an arena shooter. the new gamemodes are genuinely fun imo and they do spice things up.

  • @NTac_Tic
    @NTac_Tic 24 дня назад +3

    Got a 3060TI, just a pretty decent pc but the finals is kinda laggy for me....

    • @alicatdotcom
      @alicatdotcom 24 дня назад

      1050ti here.. Its playable but I'm at a disadvantage to most players. Makes it that much more rewarding when I get them tho 😂 PC gaming is pay2win

    • @coolstraw
      @coolstraw 23 дня назад

      Its extremely cpu heavy so i recommend getting a good one if you can

    • @YouSame2
      @YouSame2 23 дня назад

      I have a 3060 ti aswell and recently upgraded cpu and basically doubled my fps lol. If its laggy for u its prob something other than ur gpu ntac :)

    • @NTac_Tic
      @NTac_Tic 23 дня назад

      @@coolstraw Core i5-11400F cant be that bad...

    • @NTac_Tic
      @NTac_Tic 23 дня назад

      @@YouSame2 Core i5-11400F isnt that terrible i hope...

  • @solike8854
    @solike8854 7 дней назад

    I don't really like this take - if you can stack unlocks on a contestant with a non-meta loadout to make them powerful, why not just stack unlocks on the contestant with a meta loadout to make them even more powerful? I think this would just make the meta even more powerful.

  • @andrewmcclarren4919
    @andrewmcclarren4919 15 дней назад

    This game definitely isn't one dimensional. A game like this does need some more content like maps and weapons, but it is by no means a bad game. It's the most fun fps game to be released in recent years.

  • @LezzSamurai
    @LezzSamurai 22 дня назад +1

    I hate this take. This take would ruin the game. How about we let the devs show us what this game is instead of trying to make it into another game.

  • @sentryprime
    @sentryprime 24 дня назад

    A interesting idea but what if one team gets all the money say 50 thousand and the second place team gets 5 thousand how would it work in this situation?

  • @nikolashumphrey-howell2478
    @nikolashumphrey-howell2478 20 дней назад

    let's be honest, i doubt the devs will ever put the effort in to change the loop, theyre plenty content with what they got paid already, and i wouldnt be surprised if the devs fall into what seems to be the norm of game development nowadays and just go "well it's the players' fault the game died, you should have just kept playing"

  • @Chickensea10
    @Chickensea10 19 дней назад

    The finals has a new gamemode that starting to lean into counter strike! Pitch this idea out, it just might be a permanent gamemode in season 3

  • @TeachmeGin
    @TeachmeGin 20 дней назад

    I do feel the same way about money we collect in game just being points. If it were like cod zombies money like buying environment gadgets like access to the crane or lasers and turrets like on Vegas map

  • @Rwehumizq
    @Rwehumizq 20 дней назад

    While this is a very good idea, I see one very large problem. If you bought more items using cash that you managed to cash out, then what would VRs be used for?

  • @dunce7373
    @dunce7373 24 дня назад +1

    Why is Terminal Attack a "gimmick" mode? Also while it could be interesting to try, as you said the game needs focus. Spending a metric ton of hours figuring out this "build up your character" system isn't it. It was tested in Apex in a much more straight forward way, and yes it was a good addition but no one was out there debating "OH MAN WHAT IS THE BEST BUILD FOR BANGALORE?"... Some perks are just gonna be straight up better than others and you're gonna pick them every time and now you have a "stale meta" again.
    Appreciate the input, well made video, but please let the actual devs cook.

    • @MeBackHurts.
      @MeBackHurts. 7 дней назад

      I thought he was tripping calling terminal attack a gimmick, probably the most fun I’ve had on the game since it came out tbh

  • @sirgoose7558
    @sirgoose7558 24 дня назад

    I really don't this is the way to fix the finals. The devs have been trying to make all types of players happy, the casual and the competitive. However, satisfying one group always lead to the other being mad. Like the 2.6 mid season, they nerfed the light while making FCAR even easier to use. The finals has an identity crisis.

  • @snugkieran9400
    @snugkieran9400 19 дней назад

    While i agree with wanting the finals to succeed the changes you suggest sound more like turning the game from an easy to pick up arena shooter to a competitive high depth economy game, these changes would turn away a large majority of the casual players and ruin the pacing of most matches, also the passive bonuses you suggest would have a serious readability issue as you wouldn't be able to tell what passives a player has until u engaged them and also if there were speed and health buffs then it would render the 3 body build system redundant.
    Honnestly let embark cook, the longer time goes on the more they'll be able to hammer out the kinks in the balancing and with every gadget, weapon and ability they add the build diversity and potential for player expression will increase exponentially, they've said it themselves that season 3 is going to be a big one in terms of additions, changes and marketing

  • @ellisfleming9972
    @ellisfleming9972 23 дня назад +1

    I like this idea. I’d love for the money to mean something, maybe to provide meaningful unlocks or perks. Maybe you could buy more revive tokens. Maybe a sponsor could send a weapon swap package. Maybe the money can purchase cosmetics. I’m a competitive player and enjoy playing ranked and I also love off meta strats. I play throwing knives and riot shield and I’ve made it to plat. I don’t think a change like this would destroy the “sandbox” especially if they flesh out private matches

    • @taawesome2949
      @taawesome2949 21 день назад

      I think adding depth to the money mechanic in the final does make for an interesting alternative game mode. That said,
      Your idea of using money to determine loadouts might seem like it would increase variety, but in practice, it could actually reinforce the use of meta weapons, especially in ranked play. Here's why: In competitive settings, players are driven to optimize their chances of winning. If budget constraints come into play, teams will prioritize the most cost-effective and powerful options available-the meta weapons. This is because these weapons are proven to be effective and offer the best return on investment in terms of performance per cost. I’m diamond 2 and let me tell you, even if your whole team is build around riot shield. So long as everyone else in the lobby doesn’t use gimmick weapon like you do. It just not gonna work. That just how outclass the riot shield is as a weapon.

    • @ellisfleming9972
      @ellisfleming9972 21 день назад

      @@taawesome2949 I understand your point but it’s operating on the assumption that this hypothetical change couldn’t be balanced to ensure that the best weapons are more expensive. Now I’m just spitballing here but there’s lots of creative options you could implement if the money meant something. Maybe not even a weapon swap. Maybe you could even spend money to unlock a 4th gadget. Point being the money can be manipulated to address the problem you’re posing.
      A balanced economic system introduces a variety of strategy. But hey listen if a game is gonna be more competitive then it has to have less variables to control. The finals is chaos, you can’t predict every player pattern.

  • @ShadowGearFive
    @ShadowGearFive 22 дня назад

    Competitive games suck, the fastest mouse clickers win, players show of by a certain skin for their guns/characters, everything is about your own stats, the communities are toxic and there is no room for playing and thinking out of the box. If you simply don’t fit in the meta, you will get destroyed.
    Yes my aim is not too great. But if i play squad for example, there is room to compensate by out smarting your enemy and take different approach. And everyone is working for the team and want to achieve the same goal, wich is winning the game without reaching a certain score or unlock items.

  • @johnmciver9478
    @johnmciver9478 24 дня назад

    Jumped in a game the other day as a light build and the other team was all heavies and lad I played with backed out. I continued the game got 15 kills and won. Its not about different classes its about out smarting the other team and thats why its a great game.

  • @kanyounus2911
    @kanyounus2911 3 дня назад

    Why is everyone keem on changing the finals for what it is?? It's a unique game. Leave it at that!!

  • @slay-many-foes1160
    @slay-many-foes1160 23 дня назад

    I kind of get your point but honestly I don't fight that many sweat players using the best stuff and I prioritize fun over making myself overpowered I run around with throwing knives and the M11 not because I want to demolish people I play a game to have fun and considering I've usually got 14 eliminations in a match without going full sweat mode and without the meta my advice is just play your way solo is hard for beginners if you have friends that can help a lot hope people give The finals a try is very fun having buildings coming down and charging through walls to wipe whole teams is a beautiful game.

  • @fabiobianciardi3987
    @fabiobianciardi3987 24 дня назад

    The finals is a game where everything rotates around the players, not the class, not the weapons. In the finals team cordination is everything.
    I don't agree with most of what you said.

  • @hay7410
    @hay7410 21 день назад

    For a fast paced crazy ass game it’s boring as fuck. The only thing that makes me play is the challenges and I hate most every minute of it. It gets better if you have a team but not by a great deal. Takes so many bullets to kill someone I could fall asleep before I kill them with an AR. Medium class sucks. Light sucks. Heavy sucks. All the weapons suck. That’s basically how they balance it. Make everything suck and boring.

  • @Elyashuva
    @Elyashuva 24 дня назад

    Great idea

  • @LezzSamurai
    @LezzSamurai 22 дня назад

    The problem is everyone is focused on being competitive and making the game stale for themselves. To keep it from being repetitive mix it up and have fun. They released this game ahead of their flagship game because this game was fun. So stop taking to make and stick to a meta and just have fun.

  • @callumdrew5459
    @callumdrew5459 23 дня назад +1

    I wish we could see how many dislikes a video gets

  • @lorantpapp07
    @lorantpapp07 24 дня назад

    But the main game is literally a one match thing, terminal attack is perfectly fine as is. the whole perks idea, while somewhat interesting, would completely punch what the finals is in the nose

  • @samhyatt4863
    @samhyatt4863 24 дня назад +2

    Nah, ranked would turn into pure cancer with people constantly trying to double stack. I also believe that the finals just wants to be a game that says yes more than it says no, so it just doesn’t make sense. This would have to be an entirely new mode, and doubling cashouts would have to be banned, and there would have to be other ways of getting more money.

  • @GTF1666
    @GTF1666 24 дня назад +1

    I love you but I have a request that you play Squad with Dr. Savage and thank you❤

  • @dunnone1489
    @dunnone1489 17 дней назад

    Simply no lol. They just need to make more casual game modes like power shift.

  • @3ace846
    @3ace846 23 дня назад

    i can see this shit working well

    • @taawesome2949
      @taawesome2949 21 день назад

      I think adding depth to the money mechanic in the final does make for an interesting alternative game mode. That said,
      Your idea of using money to determine loadouts might seem like it would increase variety, but in practice, it could actually reinforce the use of meta weapons, especially in ranked play. Here's why: In competitive settings, players are driven to optimize their chances of winning. If budget constraints come into play, teams will prioritize the most cost-effective and powerful options available-the meta weapons. This is because these weapons are proven to be effective and offer the best return on investment in terms of performance per cost. I’m diamond 2 and let me tell you, even if your whole team is build around riot shield. So long as everyone else in the lobby doesn’t use gimmick weapon like you do. It just not gonna work. That just how outclass the riot shield is as a weapon.

  • @jordankelly4684
    @jordankelly4684 23 дня назад +3

    This is the first fps game I've played in 14 years that doesn't suck. Your opinion is heard, but I strongly disagree.

  • @callumdrew5459
    @callumdrew5459 23 дня назад

    1 minute in as you said you enjoy the game i feel the same i enjoy playing it so im not going to cry like a baby just play and have fun

    • @callumdrew5459
      @callumdrew5459 23 дня назад

      All guns are viable if you good if you cry about meta go play stardew valley

  • @SomeDestinyPlayer
    @SomeDestinyPlayer 23 дня назад +1

    Nope, you're objectively wrong, the new gamemode is like cs Go, but with a twist. You can use any weapon/gadget and still have fun. Your opinion is, stale

  • @KR420MZN
    @KR420MZN 24 дня назад +1

    Great idea, Jack!

  • @xanderiom
    @xanderiom 24 дня назад +4

    I have no clue why people are so against this. It adds more depth to the game, more risk, more strategy, it leans into the gameshow identity more. This is a fantastic idea slorgs!

    • @taawesome2949
      @taawesome2949 21 день назад

      I think adding depth to the money mechanic in the final does make for an interesting alternative game mode. That said,
      Your idea of using money to determine loadouts might seem like it would increase variety, but in practice, it could actually reinforce the use of meta weapons, especially in ranked play. Here's why: In competitive settings, players are driven to optimize their chances of winning. If budget constraints come into play, teams will prioritize the most cost-effective and powerful options available-the meta weapons. This is because these weapons are proven to be effective and offer the best return on investment in terms of performance per cost. I’m diamond 2 and let me tell you, even if your whole team is build around riot shield. So long as everyone else in the lobby doesn’t use gimmick weapon like you do. It just not gonna work. That just how outclass the riot shield is as a weapon.
      Find my comment if you want a better explanation

  • @Jimmy9Bazooka
    @Jimmy9Bazooka 20 дней назад

    cool story, bro

  • @johnmciver9478
    @johnmciver9478 24 дня назад +1

    You tubers are really taking the mick with this game now. It’s by far the best shooter I have played out of the current shooters. The gameplay is fine it just takes time to get into. Its not a spray and pray game either your either good at it or your not. The game is far from dead and I can see more joining the game when season 3 lands with a new map, weapons and maybe another new mode. Just stop with all these this game is dead videos.

  • @xboxman1991
    @xboxman1991 22 дня назад

    I’m I crazy or is he just subscribing rouge company . When he was taking about buying perks and ect

  • @IRT90s
    @IRT90s 24 дня назад

    Dude the finals is an awesome game!! The rounds can be so much fun and fast paced. As a milsim player also this can be a fun break from having to focus on milsim environment. Gotta give a thumbs down on this viddy

  • @agendaured
    @agendaured 24 дня назад +1

    Not to say get good.

  • @juremeljo2686
    @juremeljo2686 24 дня назад +1

    Damm. This vid kinda sukcs(it didnt have to)

    • @juremeljo2686
      @juremeljo2686 24 дня назад

      The solution: you are focusing on something small. Not the wider picture

  • @2200gonewild
    @2200gonewild 24 дня назад

    Holy crap get this video to the devs!

    • @mom0music
      @mom0music 24 дня назад +3

      hoooooly crap dont do it

    • @2200gonewild
      @2200gonewild 24 дня назад

      @@mom0music why not? sounds like some good ideas

    • @xboxman1991
      @xboxman1991 22 дня назад

      It just sounds like he want to play rouge company 😅

    • @taawesome2949
      @taawesome2949 21 день назад

      I think adding depth to the money mechanic in the final does make for an interesting alternative game mode. That said,
      Your idea of using money to determine loadouts might seem like it would increase variety, but in practice, it could actually reinforce the use of meta weapons, especially in ranked play. Here's why: In competitive settings, players are driven to optimize their chances of winning. If budget constraints come into play, teams will prioritize the most cost-effective and powerful options available-the meta weapons. This is because these weapons are proven to be effective and offer the best return on investment in terms of performance per cost. I’m diamond 2 and let me tell you, even if your whole team is build around riot shield. So long as everyone else in the lobby doesn’t use gimmick weapon like you do. It just not gonna work. That just how outclass the riot shield is as a weapon.

  • @savagehu5tle870
    @savagehu5tle870 19 дней назад

    The Finals is fun. Your theory falls flat when you throw COD into the mix of your "analysis". COD works the same as The Finals in the sense that you unlock weapons and you keep them. Set your load out and you can load into every match with it. Yet COD flourishes.

  • @almond7341
    @almond7341 24 дня назад +1

    Good video. Keep up the work

  • @callumdrew5459
    @callumdrew5459 23 дня назад +2

    Ya no this is the worst idea iv ever heard of you did not cook this is not counter strike. Your idea is a copy and paste huge L

    • @xboxman1991
      @xboxman1991 22 дня назад +2

      To me it sounded like he just wanted to play rouge company

    • @callumdrew5459
      @callumdrew5459 22 дня назад +1

      @@xboxman1991 ya like at that point he should just go play a new game if he wants the whole thing remade

  • @CubesAndPortals
    @CubesAndPortals 18 дней назад +1

    Hard disagree.

  • @FangMania9898
    @FangMania9898 14 дней назад

    its SuCKS especially for SOLO player its dog water i tried to like it so much ...............BUT Dawn the aesthetic is freaking beautiful love the Skins n styles What sucks is the freaking dog water Game mode and the stupoid Class system .....i tried man

  • @BoogieTei
    @BoogieTei 24 дня назад

    Actually, this is a good idea.

    • @taawesome2949
      @taawesome2949 21 день назад

      I think adding depth to the money mechanic in the final does make for an interesting alternative game mode. That said,
      Your idea of using money to determine loadouts might seem like it would increase variety, but in practice, it could actually reinforce the use of meta weapons, especially in ranked play. Here's why: In competitive settings, players are driven to optimize their chances of winning. If budget constraints come into play, teams will prioritize the most cost-effective and powerful options available-the meta weapons. This is because these weapons are proven to be effective and offer the best return on investment in terms of performance per cost. I’m diamond 2 and let me tell you, even if your whole team is build around riot shield. So long as everyone else in the lobby doesn’t use gimmick weapon like you do. It just not gonna work. That just how outclass the riot shield is as a weapon.

  • @bryanleo.allkoreawrestling
    @bryanleo.allkoreawrestling 24 дня назад

    It's made for kids and mz gens. Not my cup of tea.

  • @yellowsaurus4895
    @yellowsaurus4895 24 дня назад +1

    I hate how the art style is this mix of realistic weapons, playermodels and environments with super cartoonish and flashy special abilities and colors on everything... It's like the devs couldn't decide between apex or battlefield and landed on this weird middle ground that just doesn't work imo.

    • @donovanjoseph737
      @donovanjoseph737 24 дня назад +1

      Not inherently disagreeing with you, but could you give an example or two of these flashy effects? I don't find anything in the game to be insanely out of place.
      And besides, it's a virtual game show where viewership is everything. Of course there would be some added pizzazz to things to retain attention.

  • @duoquendo
    @duoquendo 24 дня назад +1

    the finals is but a gimmick, i have been playing CS for 20+ years and the point of the stale meta is that is mostly affectec by skill, strategy and wits...
    The economic counts as strategy, but still you can totally win against a player with a AK while having a pistol and a flash.

  • @KINDNESS.IS.AWSOME
    @KINDNESS.IS.AWSOME День назад

    The game sucks and definitively dose

  • @mom0music
    @mom0music 24 дня назад

    Bro plays they same way every time since alpha and blames it on the game. Not gonna mention how many problems will be introduced if any dev got drunk and listens to your rant disguised as advice .HARD DISAGREE on this one and you are kinda big channel for The Finals so don't wonder in the start of the video why the games player base is declining. The biggest problem the game has since closed betas is the community playing it.Literally everyone ranting about how op is this or that.If any of yall remember cb2 and cb1, lights were wiping down entire teams by themselves heavys were trowing nukes till mid season 1 and mediums were more or less useless.Now compare that to what we have now and lets see if the game is stale and stays the same.PS can still wipe yo ranting bronze ass with a light

  • @LG1ikLx
    @LG1ikLx 24 дня назад +1

    I want role cue like overwatch.

    • @dunce7373
      @dunce7373 24 дня назад

      You should have your keyboard privileges revoked

  • @kanyounus2911
    @kanyounus2911 3 дня назад

    Why is everyone keem on changing the finals for what it is?? It's a unique game. Leave it at that!!