Mark Kermode Owns Richard Bacon Over 3-D
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Taken from today's Oscars review special. I have no problem with Richard Bacon at all but Kermode tore him to pieces in the brief debate they had over the gimmick that is 3-D and I simply couldn't not post it.
6 years on from this upload and look who was right- 3D remains the gimmick it's always been
It's gotten worse even! The fact that the only difference is a pair of glasses when compared to 2D is incredibly sad! They don't even bother to make stuff pop out of the screen! It's just converted "3D" bullshit and if you take off those glasses you will see a perfectly normal screen....
Still true another 4 years on from your comment lol
Not entirely. To date,
Ang Lee 's "The Life of Pi" makes the best use of 3D technology, doesn't detract but enhances the expereince.
"The simple answer to this is that you're wrong and I'm right."
"Thats the essence of novelty" Class :D - Mark chops him up here.
2:20 Bacon sounds like an immature teenager, "yes they did i think they did" what a child.
"Benjamin Sniddlegrass And The Cauldron Of Penguins" :-D
recently been announced that TV companies now going to stop making TV's with 3D so that says it all.. end of arguments
I'm not a massive fan of Bacon but I like the fact that he tried to challenge Kermode. Tried being the operative word. Didn't have much of a leg to stand on and when he said the word 'novelty' his ship had clearly sunk.
Will head to five live to listen to the whole thing on the podcast.
Thanks for uploading this.
3-D sucks balls. If I go to see a film and on that particular day it's only showing on a 3-D screen, I will go another day. I've done this many times and will continue to do so.
I think the reason Avatar and Alice in Wonderland have taken so much money is because tickets to see a film in 3-D is so much more expensive.
This was uploaded in 2010 and I think Kermode has been proven right. The 3D industry now has all it's hopes on Scorsese's bash at 3D - "Hugo", but I already hear poor things about it...
For some reason I read that as Kevin Bacon
It's interessting:
The 3D novelty has held much, much longer than Kermode has predicted. He has been telling us that 3D will disappear soon for years now... and it's still here.
BUT it does feel at the moment, that 3D is on its way out.
When I recently watched "Jurassic World" in my local cinema, I thought it was surprising that they didn't make the movie in 3D... and then, later, I found out that there actually WAS a 3D-version around, I just didn't notice because not many cinemas bothered to show it in 3D.
Dooker Bewitt But would the movie going public really care if 3D was gone tomorrow ?? People go see 3D movies mainly because the time of the screening suits or its the only choice.
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I'd say you are right about 99% of the time.
Although there are exceptions, at least for me.
I really loved the movie "Life of Pi", and I did think that the 3D increased the immersion, so when I went to watch it again in the cinema, I looked specificly for a cinema that showed it in 3D and also bought specificly the 3D-BlueRay.
Also, tomorow I'll go and see "Ant-Man", and I have to tell you, that's a movie I really want to watch in 3D, so if my local cinema didn't show it in 3D, I would go somewhere else to watch it.
Again: Those are exceptions. In general I agree. It's not even that people wouldn't care if 3D was gone tomorow... at this point I doubt they would even notice.
+Dooker Bewitt Kermode proven right, Bacon looking like a silly sausage.
Dooker Bewitt 3d has been on its way out for years. Kermode was spot on.
True. Much as I wholeheartedly agree with Kermode on this particular issue, it would be boring if everyone -- be it Bacon or Mayo -- simply echoed everything he said.
3d sound > 3d vision
Haha, I love how he said novelty himself.
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone actually defend the 3D trend they keep trying to make stick. Personally I just find watching a film like that is trying to experience an experience while being constantly interrupted by a tech demo. 3D gives you the same film with an added distraction level and an actual headache. No thanks.
I don`t think he `owns` him, like you `own` a dog. Richard Bacon`s just playing devil`s advocate as usual, it`s not a real argument.
Epic, downloading the podcast right now.
@welshfilmbuff
The problem with that thinking, is that the prominence of 3d is not organic. There is no market demand for it, it's just the media industry pushing it to help stave off the effects of piracy.
Is Benjiman Sniddlegrass and the cauldron of penguins in 3D too?
@kieltehsmith No I think what he's saying is that more people went because of it. They agree that 3-D is just one element of a film but disagree about how much it matters. The argument about Julian Sands could also go this way: If there's a movie with Julian Sands that does well, is it because people like Julian Sands or because the movie was appealing? This question is also still unanswered. Hollywood banks on stars to draw box office yet the biggest movies didn't feature A-list stars.
I saw Avatar in 3D at IMAX and it was cool. As a novelty it's worth it but I'm not bothered about buying a 3D TV blah blah.
The whole studio, Bluray and LCD TV industry etc etc are trying to persuade people that having a 3D this that and everything else is the be all and end all of home entertainment - bugger off, I don't want or need it.
Kermode has such big balls, I love him!
Great arguents from Mr. Kermode, not a fanboy just following logic.
Thing is,The Next Big Thing will probably be interactive cinema - which will be 3D, but a zillion times better than previous versions: perhaps in the form of a flash drive we insert into a USB port in our own head, or downloadable as a kind of feature length animated hologram. Whatever form it takes, it will as revolutionary as the technological leap from 19th century photography to silent pictures in the early 20th century. But it means Richard Bacon is probably closer to the truth than Mark Kermode.
People are not attracted to 3D films but a few are attracted to the novelty of 3D in a film. People do not say I will watch so and so film because it is in 3D and not so and so because it is only in 2D.
Mark wins this one. People didn't go and see Alice in Wonder just for the 3D isn't the future.
Respect to both of these men, but I'm with Kermode on this topic.
The truth is that statistics on this subject are ambiguous. It's hard to say for example if Toy Story 3 made most of its money from 2-D screenings because people prefer it when it's cheaper or if it's because most theatres aren't equipped for 3-D so it wasn't offered universally. So far there's no real reason to believe that people want 3-D, but there's also no proof they don't.
Kermode owns again!!!!
Some should start a group called Unite Against 3D!!
And, truth be told, because the 2D versions are often bloody impossible to find to see.
No problem. It's never quite as good with one of them missing but it's still an enjoyable listen. And again, I don't hate Richard Bacon at all unlike many people, so he didn't bother me too much. Thank God it wasn't Phil Williams.
Don't underestimate the draw of Johnny Depp. Surprised he didn't play that note but he's still right that it is or was a gimmick.
3D is completey irrelevent when it comes to making good films based on substance,it's been around for decades & every now & then it resurfaces,but I have no doubt it will disapear into irrelevance as it has many times since its inception.KERMODE IS BANG ON!It's just something big companys want us to buy into so that in the near future we'll all feel the need to get rid of the perfectly good new hd TVs,too replace it with the newer hd3d TVs & so on.DON'T FALL FOR IT!Its just flavor of the month.
@iloveneytiri Avatar is the first of the new generation 3d films I've seen I hated watching it. Got a head ache and the glasses are uncomfortable when you've got to wear another pair underneath.
i am completely on kermodes side here,
people always seem to forget that just because films rake in the millions dosnt make it a good film. people pay and give away they're money at least 2hours before they even have decided weather its good or not
Bacons next move is to argue the existence of gravity with Stephen Hawking
@TulseLuper He has massive hands?
Hit Cause of all the money it took but as kermode said its not thats in 3d it made all that money
£D, ehm I mean 3D, tickets cost more and make more money. That's the only reason for its existance today. Accountants decide whether a film will be in 3D, not the director.
Surely the title is the wrong way around? Mark keeps changing his argument - one minute 3-D is a novelty attracting short-term attendance, the next breath he's saying that people aren't attracted to it at all. Make your mind up. Bacon wins this one hands down. That said, I hate 3-D and think it'll be gone in 12 months.
Everyone I know watched 'Alice in Wonderland' not because of the 3D, but because they had their heads up Tim Burton and Johnny Depp's asses.
Bacon and Kermode are always entertaining. The only film I've seen that really benefitted from 3d was Gravity, if anything 3d is a distraction because it's usually done badly
@MeisterFalti I have.
Ugh Richard Bacon is so annoying. He seems like one of those people that play with their phone throughout the entire movie.
kermode for win by "novelty"
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Lets not rip on bacon too much, atleast hes not chris moyles
Richard Bacon has ruined my evenings in Tokyo. It is clear many of the BBC staff do not like Dick Bacon.
@Neonman78
YESSSSS
Ah the classic post hoc ergo propter hoc. Alice in Wonderland was available in 3-D. Alice in Wonderland was successful. Therefore Alice in Wonderland was successful BECAUSE it was in 3-D. Right.
@badhead
With any luck... sooner!
Mark wins this hands down.
i thought people saw alice in wonderland, cause its ...... alice in wonderland
he was wrong and mar was right
Bacon is coked up and wrong as usual
I live in Tokyo and after a hard evenings work...I liked nothing better than listeng to Simon Mayo...now I stuck with Bacon........maybe a good guy...but my god his voice ahhhhhhhhhhh He sounds like a third rate amatuer. .............He has to go...PLEASE
Richard Bacon is way out of his depth when talking to Kermode ....3D is just awful!
Lol
Avatars 3-D is different though. 3-D is absolute shit, Avatars technological attributes made it incredibly immersive. All the rest is shit.
Tim Burton should never make films.
Silly argument. Look at all the cinemas which offered both 3d and 2d versions of alice, whichever version sold the most tickets is an indicator of format popularity. Neither Kermode nor Bacon did their research therefore its just a "I know better" which isn't an argument at all.
Mark Commode