I don't think that she was sheltered. I think that uncle SA'd her when his wife died...or even before she died. Why else didn't she want her own family. Very odd, don't you think???? 😮
@@tamuz9633not at all. Not everyone wants a family, and she was from a generation where it wasn't unusual to stay unmarried in order to look after the people who'd looked after you. It was an English thing.
Im a lockerup sally cos 99.9% of the time, cops say "the perp came thru the unlocked ____." And the first thing i do when i get in the car is lock the door. Still kickin rocks decades later...i credit my mom's hypervigilance, or as some might call it, paranoia- but better safe than sorry. I grew up w my head on a swivel, you have to in a city.
I met a man earlier this year who presented well, no alarm bells, so I exchanged phone numbers. The good feeling quickly turned to a fear I'd never before experienced, I felt preyed upon by his sudden rush of affection. After many texts that left me uneasy, texts I did not respond to, I blocked him and vowed to never again give anyone a chance who expresses interest in me. It is terribly lonely but I'm alive and not robbed. Such an ugly world we have since the Internet and I wish all the satellites would blow up and force us back to life before computers.
I know you've had a bad experience, and you did all the right things. There are decent people out there, though. Perhaps you might meet someone through friends? I was just about ready to throw in the towel, too, after raising my three children as a single parent. It really was quite awful, dating, and some of the horrible things some men do. I nearly cancelled meeting my now partner of 6 1/2 years because of the bad experiences. Honestly, he seemed too good to be true. Fit, loved his adult kids, loves animals, a doctor, great family..... A year ago, my son was very sick with his cystic fibrosis and my partner was my rock when we almost lost him. Went to all his clinic visits with us and spent time with him on the ward. Brought him food and gifts. My son's own father never bothered to turn up. There really are some good people out there and I hope you find one if you would like that companionship❤
I’m glad your “spidey” senses kicked in. Sometimes I humour people since I was brought up to not be rude, but you can’t really trust people. They train men in prison to know how to charm intelligent women and take advantage of them. Most are to ashamed to admit it and warn others.
Same happened to me! I actually married (2nd) someone I knew for yrs thru a club, a widower. What he learned was that a wifes death can leave uou wealthy. I kno he tried to set up an accident that surely would hav killed me. I filed for div quickly. Then met another man thru friends & he tried to get me to sell all my assets & move to France with him. This is before FB (2003)etc. Im sure his intentions were to dump my body somewhere & disappear in Europe. Men are gold diggers & murderers. A counselor told me "men are natural born predators & women are their prey. Men rarely are prey." So true.
@@LadyBug1967 It always surprises me that someone can take out a life insurance policy on someone (even where they’re not married) I assume it involves forging your signature but, it seems too easy, One thing I said to my husband - no life insurance on me! I don’t want to be worth ££ to anyone upon my death. Long lives to us both 🙏
I think only married couples should have policies, and in my case my husband and I had to show we were married and both had to sign the documents each leaving it to each other, or the children if we both died.
it's supposedly nearly impossible to do this. The laws are still too lax. they are better than before when you could take a million dollar policy on a child.
I don't believe Joan loved him. I think that was only Peter's story. I believe he was the aggressor, moving in on her, psychologically manipulating her to believe he cared about her and was helping her.
I think it was both. He definitely did as you said, but I can't imagine she would get involved in that sort of relationship with him if she didn't believe herself to be in love. I think she'd long dreamed of being loved and in love and was positively thrilled when she thought it had happened to her at this late date in her life. I also think it's obvious that she awakened to the fact that it wasn't real and her dream had become a nightmare. Peter saw his money train about to pull out of the station without him and the next stop possibly the police. So he acted.
@sylviacortez4694 True. It bugs the hell out of me when the narrator says 'her lover'. NO, HE WASN'T! So STOP SAYING THAT! He was a criminal: a thief, predator, and murderer. THAT'S IT.
@@capnobvious2718 ... I agree wholeheartedly!! They even mention that he was using the pillows out of the guest bedroom he stayed in when he came to town! Burns me up when the narrator kept saying "Lover". He is definitely a Manipulative Narcissist at the least .... very likely a Sociopath or Psychopath! They are very charming at first and put on airs of being an upstanding member of society while love-bombing others and making them feel wanted. Then, their mask slips, and you start to see them for who they really are. 👹
@@conniehanses There is nothing wrong with the word "spinster". The only thing wrong is your choosing to be offended by its use. If I choose to be offended by the name connie, are you going to stop using it? Also, using the word "nuts" to describe a mental health issue is in very poor taste and is highly offensive. Stop doing it or I shall report you to the language police and you will be sent away for reprogramming!
It's simply bone-chilling how *ANY* one could be so inherently, or intrinsically evil, to such a gentle, kind, elderly & trusting woman, AND then smugly murder her while actually believing they'd get away with it...**scot-free!!!** I hope the rest of Mr. Crittenden's life in prison is a lonely, miserable, frightening one with long sleepless nights of fear & guilt!!! My heart really hurts for Joan's cousin, Albert Beddeson, & for Sue...The police department needs special recognition for how thorough & patient they were during their long & tedious investigation!
His miserable wife will be visiting him. She campaigned against him suffering in jail for a year until his trial. Said it was unfair on him and on her. The dimwit didn't realise he could have done it to another woman. Most trial take a year re preparation.
@@manichairdo9265 What a stupid cow. He could have murdered her and not had a qualm, why support him? He's a psychopath, he doesn't love her so if she had any sense, she'd divorce him.
Incredibly sad tale, oft repeated unfortunately with older, more vulnerable people, especially women. No "financial advisor"..., however "well presented" would get past my front doormat. How tragic that Joan fell prey to this predator as she seemed such a lovely person. He's probably giving financial advice these days to his cellmates, so l hope THEY see through him!
That's a silly stance to take. There are bad people in every profession or line of work who take advantage or do evil. The hugely overwhelming majority of financial planners or advisors are perfectly fine people with the best interests of their clients foremost in their dealings. If you have any sizable amount of money or investments, you need somebody to help you manage it properly so that you can increase your funds if possible and protect yourself from excessive losses. Most people aren't knowledgeable enough to maneuver through the stock and bond markets, annuities, etc The investment world gets more and more complicated every day. And financial advisors can see you through those land mines.
well said, as older women we will be targeted, at 59 I am already learning the red flags for when I am older. I don't have kids so they won't leach me either. I was lucky in a sense as my parentss got involved as victims to a conman when I was a child so I have a head start on these types
@@Andy437 What a shame! My parents always had truly wonderful financial advisors protecting them and helping them with all sorts of things. When my mother died (my father was already gone then) I was well looked after by the man who had taken care of their affairs and now his daughters. They have never taken advantage in any way! I worked in banking and knew quite a few financial planners and advisors, all very reputable and above board. 🤷🏼♀️
RIP Joan. I hope you died without realising you were being killed by a man you loved. You had worked so hard at your savings and it took a crook to take advantage of your vulnerability Bless those policemen, their skills and determination saved the day.
She seem like the type of lady who was always looking for a father figure in her life. The one thing I do gather from this is that she was a inherently good lady and a wonderful human being.
@@muslimahsierra177same here in the UK. I can walk twenty minutes one way and be in a beautiful quaint little village, then twenty minutes the other way and find myself in a run down ghetto estate.
He was a conman. They don't care what they have to do to manipulate their victims. It hits differently for people, though, and it can make it more difficult for them to admit to themselves that they're being scammed. When they've been made to feel like they have a personal relationship with the perpetrator. It hits them emotionally as well as financially.
I wonder if Peter Crittenden was actually a Narcissistic Sociopath? People with this diagnosis are "experts" at finding lonely, vulnerable victims, and then draining them of all financial and material usefulness! 😢
Yes, exactly!!! He immeaditely reminded me about my sister's ex who is a diagnosed sosiopath! Or he could be a narcissist. Anyway, they can make you believe any lie!!! Masterful manipulators of other people! It is very very hard not to be manipulated by these people! Joan had no chances against the onslaught of Peter's lies and immaculate manners. He used every opportunity to gaslight her. These are extremely dangerous people!
@@zzzbbbooo: Not required, but an analysis is intellectually satisfying. I am curious to understand the reasons for human behavior. Many people seek to understand the workings of the mind.
I believe in England they still use that word. Here in the United States it's an outdated term. But even if it was her choice never to marry, she still falls under the definition of spinster.
The documentary is a few years old, hopefully they wouldn't use the term today. Sometimes it's easy to forget how quickly things like this have changed.
Bachelor sounds bad too. Ask me. I am one. But it's critical information about me and if I died in mysterious circumstances, would be 100% relevant in the investigation.
Everyone wants to be loved. It doesn’t matter how old one is. Nobody wants to be lonely. I believe this is how the monsters seduce the elderly. There isn’t a hell hot enough for them.
@@GMW.artist This is true in Ireland. My grandmother was listed as "spinster" as her occupation on the marriage certificate. Why not just call these women Old Maids. Ridiculous. I am not a fan of marriage and am not married. Happily. Let's get rid of this ridiculous labeling in all areas of our lives.
He was very domineering, and that came out when he appeared at trial. He made her follow this 'action plan' by ensuring she came to the estate agents with him. We don't know how often he was showing up at Joan's house. How he spoke to her, whether he threatened her, because he knew exactly where she lived. And as a Lone elderly female, that could be quite intimidating, and that may have explained why she didn't want the police involved, etc.
Classic psychopath. Dominating the court, pointing at the jury, no remorse. He revealed his true self during his trial. I am so sorry for Joan that she had encountered that despicable human. Joan sounded like a beautiful person.
This sort of thing has always happened and probably always will. I recall when I was a kid hearing two old ladies on a bus saying to each other; "'Tes a wicked ol' world isn't et?" "Yaas, and it don't get no bedder"
My sympathies to Joan’s family. I can tell her cousins were horrified at what happened to their vulnerable, shy cousin. The murderer was not the least bit remorseful because he is a shell, barely human, with no empathy. May he rot.
Poor woman! Because of the pancreatic cancer, she may have known that she didn’t have much time left on this earth. But on the on the other side, it shows that she was a fighter who wouldn’t let her lover steal her money and leave her unhappy. But so happy to know that he was finally caught with all the evidence and will spend the rest of his life in prison.
@renatawarec Donald Trump never drew his salary as President of the US and restored the country's economy during his term of office . He will almost certainly be re-elected should he stand again . Business people make better leaders than career politicians .
I think the catalyst for the murder was Joan telling him she wanted to end 'the relationship' and wanted her money back. I dont think the motive was because he would get 85k instead of 100?!! No. It was becasue of the money he owed and she wanted back. And at some stage she believed that he had given it back (@9:12 neighbour said to Joans relations 'she told us you'd got it all back".) which he probably what he told her that time he came up for dinner a couple of days before he returned to kill her..he told her that to himself a few days to prepare to kill her.
My own thoughts are that this man’s wife must have been in on his fraudulent ongoings, I think she was with him when trying to get the bungalow valued, where did she think he was getting money from for all his flash spending, especially when he had done this to a previous elderly woman. I want to know if this man’s possession were seized due to proceeds of crime and whether his wife was ever charged for anything. Awful people!
The policeman saying he’s not going to make any moral judgements on the fact that the financial adviser was married and carrying on an affair is dumbfounding to me! It’s pretty obvious to me that the man lacks moral integrity and is deceitful and not to be trusted..
Perhaps the police should receive some basic training in psychology. The ability to spot psychopaths would be handy in their line of work, ....was my thought when I heard the description of his charming manner and moral turpitude.
Wow. These good people remind me of a Monty Python sketch. "Morning, Mr. Mellish." "Morning, Enid." "Did those paper clips come in?" "They're over there." Of course the poor woman was smothered for her money! THREE postmortems. For heaven's sake!
It's a good idea for any older person on their own to have a trusted family member or friend with power of attorney status so that they can't be taken advantage of in the way this poor woman was.
Yes and then your relatives take advantage of you, clear out all your money. You're penniless, maybe homeless, and it's all been done without your knowledge. AFAIK you don't have any legal redress either because you willingly signed a POA whilst fully sane.
@@bilindalaw-morley161 exactly, greedy kids and grand kids! I don't have any fortunately but I could still be targeted. I think it is worse now as young people are poorer and can't afford a house
This is why the over 65 should by law have an independent person check agreements they are making. Preventing unscrupulous individuals taking advantage of them . This happens more than people realise.
I am amazed at the stupidity of people who continue to commit the most heinous of crimes, apparently totally oblivious to the fact that in today's world CCTV cameras are EVERYWHERE and everyone and his cat has a phone that also acts as a camera. I don't even scratch my backside if I am outside of my house. Certainly it isn't illegal to do so but I don't want to appear on TikTok or RUclips or Facebook doing something that is a bit embarrassing. Lt. Joe Kenda, a retired police officer in Colorado Springs and also the Homicide Hunter on TV, said that criminals are stupid and he's glad they are because if they were smarter he wouldn't have been able to catch so many of them. This man merrily made his way to Joan's house and ended her life and then took his happy self back home to his family, apparently totally unaware that he had been watched pretty much every step of the way.
Sixteen years and eleven months Crittenden received. So dear Joan suffered at his hands, the police work was amazing as was the forensic but all let down by the so called Life Sentence of just sixteen years and eleven months. RIP Joan. You and your family deserved far better justice BUT the older the offender is, the shorter the sentence seem to be, in British so called "justice".
When I hear someone saying, she went for jackets, ties, presentable and that’s what he was, then in the same breath, he was patronising to the jury, he tried to belittle people and he lost his temper, I wonder why people continue to value material things such as clothes above kindness, humour etc. there’s not a lot to be said for the kind of upbringing that instilled these skewed values in my view.
Horrible crime 😢 But I have 1 question. Where were her relatives before? She was a lonely living women, with property and money. It's always a magnet to bad people. They may not kill but can take advantage of a person’s trust. Therefore, for the sake of their loved ones, relatives should always be on alert.
This type of crime mystifies me. Why would a person kill another person for money. Especially a senior. I just can’t understand how a person could think him paying his credit cards debt is more important than a human life. How could he look at his wife and children knowing their momentary happiness of a vacation came from you killing a kind hearted helpless old woman. This type of murderer sickens me .
who doesn't know that the motorways and main roads are plastered with cameras. i broke down on a motorway slip road once and the Highways Agency got there to quiz me before the RAC arrived.
As a retired insurance broker, I used to work with financial advisors and not only would I not join their team, I wouldn't trust tham as far as I could throw them - they were incredibly greedy where other peoples money is concerned, which is a trait that I am uncomfortable with
This perpetrator would fit the textbook definition of a psychopath but they got through the entire docco without mentioning that once. It's a useful term and can be applied to a portion of humanity that needs to be identified for the protection of the rest of us.
Such a lovely and trusting lady. So caring and devoted. Hoodwinked by such an evil man. It's Leo .very upsetting. R.I.P Joan and sympathis to family and friends. So so twragic!
Can't believe what an idiot he was. So glad they got him. Gets 275 thousand pounds and fritters it away on bullshit. Makes a complete mess of the crime scene. Arrogant and incompetent.
O so sad, a lonely old woman, trapt in a conman web. Happens all the time sadly.,all over the world.Afcourse he did t, greedy selfish greepy narchist person
While he got a life sentence, couldn't his wife be sued to retrieve some of the funds for the family and the other woman that he had defrauded in the same manner? Obviously, I don't know anything about British law, but I'm curious.
Retire the negative term "spinster". In this day and age women of 56 are often beginning new jobs or relationships. However, we are reminded to guard our safety more carefully
One thing I've learned, it takes a really really long time to get to know someone. I don't feel like in this age group I need to be getting married. For me, I have a relationship, it's L.A.T.. Living Apart Together. I'm not moving in with anyone, no one's moving in with me, and I dang sure ain't taking a chance on a second marriage with a 75% chance of divorce!
@@stacyjaye6350 you are doing it the right way! I like that, L.A.T. I had an older relative years old she was over 75 and her boyfriend was 80 and they each had their own homes, maintained their own lives , but dated back and forth and stayed independent, including their finances. They were very happy and supportive of each other and certainly never got married nor pushed for more entanglement. I think it's people who are broke or have huge money trouble who always push to "move in" with someone. Yeah, because they have nothing and use the other person for whatever they can get. Older financially comfortable people need to be very aware of pitfalls out there, especially older "lonely" women.
@@MsVanorak It is a caution factor for these vulnerable persons who live by themselves - just think about how she and another lady were targeted... in my humble opinion. It happens to senior single men too. This vulnerability is real to scammers and abusers.
@@MsVanorak unfortunately her age is a factor. Seniors need to have a good support system and not find themselves totally isolated. Elder abuse is real and happens in a variety is situations, from financial to emotional to crime. Whether people want to acknowledge the reality of aging and how it can make people vulnerable or not, it is a real problem.
@@retromoviefan944 well said. I am 59 and already planning what personal safety things I need to look out for and needed for when I am vulnerable one day. Elder abuse is real. at home, on the street collecting money, at care homes. eldlerly women particularly childfree ones will be targetted. I gave my elderly mother a purse chain and bell when she goes out, but my mother still trusts certain people ie religious people or people with dogs. she is very naive and a bit stupid actually. I don't trust anyone. My house has security and I work with a body cam. we have better technology now and gps systems for our friends etc. i have stickers caution dogs running, no cold caller etc. I have a doorbell camera with a siren. Even people who are in their 30s always answer the doorbell despite obvious risks. They are very naive and not street wise.
Was he ever convicted of the first fraud and murder? I hope so! And we're his ill gotten gains. recovered for repayment of the money stolen, as it were, from the families of the murdered women? And we're his other cases investigated for evidence of fraud otherwise committed? The man is a horrible criminal.
Crittenden's minimum term was 16 years and 11 months, meaning he would have been released sometime around 2019 or 2020. I don't know whether they credited remand time back then, or how long he'd even spent on remand. I can't find any more recent information on him. I think by now he'd be in his mid-eighties if he's actually still alive. Joan herself would have been around 92-93 years old by now.
in her case, it sort of did define her because she had spent her entire life caring for her aunt and uncle and had no romance, no marriage, no kids, etc. That severely isolated her emotionally and made her a vulnerable target for a con man who appealed to her emotions.
@@beaulieuc8910 I'm old enough to know that words have meanings and those meanings don't change just because ignorant people like you haven't learned their meanings. Spinster is the female equivalent of bachelor. That hasn't changed.
It sounds as though she'd led a very sheltered and inward life, which may have made her a target. What a heartless man.
I don't think that she was sheltered. I think that uncle SA'd her when his wife died...or even before she died. Why else didn't she want her own family. Very odd, don't you think???? 😮
exactly, what a narcissist and sociopath he was, no remorse
@@tamuz9633not at all. Not everyone wants a family, and she was from a generation where it wasn't unusual to stay unmarried in order to look after the people who'd looked after you. It was an English thing.
When they say, "nothing bad ever happens in our town, and nobody locks their doors", you can bet something evil is afoot.
Honestly, which normal person doesn't lock their doors?
Plenty people don’t
@@tmcurly Morons
I always check my doors before going to bed.
Im a lockerup sally cos 99.9% of the time, cops say "the perp came thru the unlocked ____."
And the first thing i do when i get in the car is lock the door.
Still kickin rocks decades later...i credit my mom's hypervigilance, or as some might call it, paranoia- but better safe than sorry. I grew up w my head on a swivel, you have to in a city.
Those who prey on the elderly deserve a special place in hell.
Yes indeedy
Amen!!
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Amen
Old people don't need money it's only fair that they share
She seemed to be very lovely. I’m so sorry for her and her family. May she rest in peace…
That poor lady, may she rest in peace.
My condolences to her remaining family.
I met a man earlier this year who presented well, no alarm bells, so I exchanged phone numbers. The good feeling quickly turned to a fear I'd never before experienced, I felt preyed upon by his sudden rush of affection. After many texts that left me uneasy, texts I did not respond to, I blocked him and vowed to never again give anyone a chance who expresses interest in me. It is terribly lonely but I'm alive and not robbed. Such an ugly world we have since the Internet and I wish all the satellites would blow up and force us back to life before computers.
Love bombing for sure.
I know you've had a bad experience, and you did all the right things. There are decent people out there, though.
Perhaps you might meet someone through friends?
I was just about ready to throw in the towel, too, after raising my three children as a single parent. It really was quite awful, dating, and some of the horrible things some men do.
I nearly cancelled meeting my now partner of 6 1/2 years because of the bad experiences. Honestly, he seemed too good to be true. Fit, loved his adult kids, loves animals, a doctor, great family.....
A year ago, my son was very sick with his cystic fibrosis and my partner was my rock when we almost lost him. Went to all his clinic visits with us and spent time with him on the ward. Brought him food and gifts. My son's own father never bothered to turn up.
There really are some good people out there and I hope you find one if you would like that companionship❤
I’m glad your “spidey” senses kicked in. Sometimes I humour people since I was brought up to not be rude, but you can’t really trust people. They train men in prison to know how to charm intelligent women and take advantage of them. Most are to ashamed to admit it and warn others.
Same happened to me! I actually married (2nd) someone I knew for yrs thru a club, a widower. What he learned was that a wifes death can leave uou wealthy. I kno he tried to set up an accident that surely would hav killed me. I filed for div quickly. Then met another man thru friends & he tried to get me to sell all my assets & move to France with him. This is before FB (2003)etc. Im sure his intentions were to dump my body somewhere & disappear in Europe. Men are gold diggers & murderers. A counselor told me "men are natural born predators & women are their prey. Men rarely are prey." So true.
@@fionamackie3357
How wonderful! I'm truly happy for you that you found so much happiness and a loving partner.
Beautifully narrated --- such a calm, respectful account of an abused elderly lady.
Agreed.Well done made.👍👍
Greed never ends well. A bottomless pit that people seem to get worse and worse then nothing is off limits. Prayers to the family.
agreed
It should be illegal to take out a life insurance policy on someone else’s life. It seems to be a catalyst for so many murders.
Sion excellent point. Why not research this & write a book on it. This is one reason I've no life insurance, better alive than dead😮
@@LadyBug1967 It always surprises me that someone can take out a life insurance policy on someone (even where they’re not married) I assume it involves forging your signature but, it seems too easy, One thing I said to my husband - no life insurance on me! I don’t want to be worth ££ to anyone upon my death. Long lives to us both 🙏
I think only married couples should have policies, and in my case my husband and I had to show we were married and both had to sign the documents each leaving it to each other, or the children if we both died.
@@sionnach3104- As far as I know, the signature of the the person being insured is not required.
it's supposedly nearly impossible to do this. The laws are still too lax. they are better than before when you could take a million dollar policy on a child.
It hurts my heart to think of elderly people not being able to live safely & peacefully until their end.
50 something and even 60 something is not elderly .
@@aprilfisher4947Joan was 71
I don't believe Joan loved him. I think that was only Peter's story. I believe he was the aggressor, moving in on her, psychologically manipulating her to believe he cared about her and was helping her.
I think it was both. He definitely did as you said, but I can't imagine she would get involved in that sort of relationship with him if she didn't believe herself to be in love. I think she'd long dreamed of being loved and in love and was positively thrilled when she thought it had happened to her at this late date in her life. I also think it's obvious that she awakened to the fact that it wasn't real and her dream had become a nightmare. Peter saw his money train about to pull out of the station without him and the next stop possibly the police. So he acted.
@sylviacortez4694 True. It bugs the hell out of me when the narrator says 'her lover'. NO, HE WASN'T! So STOP SAYING THAT! He was a criminal: a thief, predator, and murderer. THAT'S IT.
@@capnobvious2718 ... I agree wholeheartedly!! They even mention that he was using the pillows out of the guest bedroom he stayed in when he came to town! Burns me up when the narrator kept saying "Lover". He is definitely a Manipulative Narcissist at the least .... very likely a Sociopath or Psychopath! They are very charming at first and put on airs of being an upstanding member of society while love-bombing others and making them feel wanted. Then, their mask slips, and you start to see them for who they really are. 👹
@bonniemoerdyk9809 lol drove me nuts using "Spinster"..
@@conniehanses There is nothing wrong with the word "spinster". The only thing wrong is your choosing to be offended by its use. If I choose to be offended by the name connie, are you going to stop using it? Also, using the word "nuts" to describe a mental health issue is in very poor taste and is highly offensive. Stop doing it or I shall report you to the language police and you will be sent away for reprogramming!
It was a very effective and diligent detective work, thanks for police detectives!👍
It's simply bone-chilling how *ANY* one could be so inherently, or intrinsically evil, to such a gentle, kind, elderly & trusting woman, AND then smugly murder her while actually believing they'd get away with it...**scot-free!!!** I hope the rest of Mr. Crittenden's life in prison is a lonely, miserable, frightening one with long sleepless nights of fear & guilt!!!
My heart really hurts for Joan's cousin, Albert Beddeson, & for Sue...The police department needs special recognition for how thorough & patient they were during their long & tedious investigation!
His miserable wife will be visiting him. She campaigned against him suffering in jail for a year until his trial. Said it was unfair on him and on her. The dimwit didn't realise he could have done it to another woman. Most trial take a year re preparation.
The man who killed her was a pychopath. They have no feelings or empathy
Ick ! 😮
financial predators, this is what they do, it why get get into money type jobs
@@manichairdo9265 What a stupid cow. He could have murdered her and not had a qualm, why support him? He's a psychopath, he doesn't love her so if she had any sense, she'd divorce him.
Joan suffered such Heartbreaking Losses! And then, she's Murdered. Rest In Peace Joan 💔💔💔🕊️🕊️🕊️🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐
Incredibly sad tale, oft repeated unfortunately with older, more vulnerable people, especially women. No "financial advisor"..., however "well presented" would get past my front doormat. How tragic that Joan fell prey to this predator as she seemed such a lovely person. He's probably giving financial advice these days to his cellmates, so l hope THEY see through him!
At least take someone trusted who is not part of the will.
That's a silly stance to take. There are bad people in every profession or line of work who take advantage or do evil. The hugely overwhelming majority of financial planners or advisors are perfectly fine people with the best interests of their clients foremost in their dealings. If you have any sizable amount of money or investments, you need somebody to help you manage it properly so that you can increase your funds if possible and protect yourself from excessive losses. Most people aren't knowledgeable enough to maneuver through the stock and bond markets, annuities, etc The investment world gets more and more complicated every day. And financial advisors can see you through those land mines.
well said, as older women we will be targeted, at 59 I am already learning the red flags for when I am older. I don't have kids so they won't leach me either. I was lucky in a sense as my parentss got involved as victims to a conman when I was a child so I have a head start on these types
@@Lucinda_Jackson no way! All nasty, greedy people is my experience 😏
@@Andy437
What a shame! My parents always had truly wonderful financial advisors protecting them and helping them with all sorts of things. When my mother died (my father was already gone then) I was well looked after by the man who had taken care of their affairs and now his daughters. They have never taken advantage in any way! I worked in banking and knew quite a few financial planners and advisors, all very reputable and above board. 🤷🏼♀️
RIP Joan. I hope you died without realising you were being killed by a man you loved. You had worked so hard at your savings and it took a crook to take advantage of your vulnerability Bless those policemen, their skills and determination saved the day.
Easy for him to do. Miracle he even got caught.
I brt she was traumatised by her parents death, it sounds like she kinda stayed as a teen never fully moving on with her life. It happens frequently.
I feel so bad for Joan! I can't believe he stole so much money from her! How Greedy, and Cruel! And then Murdered her!
I can't believe she gave him so much money
@@despicabledavidshort3806people who are nice and innocent don't think bad things about people. Horrible man.
She seem like the type of lady who was always looking for a father figure in her life. The one thing I do gather from this is that she was a inherently good lady and a wonderful human being.
"Seemed/seems"..
"An" inherently..
@@judedonnelly4100You here two co-rrect peeple's spe'llings? 😅😮
@@tamuz9633 haha somee people are weally weerd aren't theyyy
Stockport and Macclesfield are literally the next town over from each other and they're acting like she moved to a different country.
They're literally just 13 miles apart
@@ChronicGoblinQueen😂😂😂
Idk how things are there but in america you can get a whole different environment from a block away 😂
@@muslimahsierra177same here in the UK. I can walk twenty minutes one way and be in a beautiful quaint little village, then twenty minutes the other way and find myself in a run down ghetto estate.
Her cousin says she "dropped the bombshell that she was moving to Macclesfield."
got to give the police full marks for this one. It would have very easy to just accept that a 71 year old woman had just died of natural causes.
if there wasn't something to cover up they wouldn't have made a fuss about it.
They did great! ❤
Yeah, this case occurred before the uk police were corrupt and ideologically captured.
Yeah they did well for being Cheshire police, normally they are awful
I think that her post mitten would have shown she didn’t die of natural causes.
Wonderfully crafted together, with empathy for everyone involved. A very sad story, he deserves everything that is coming to him
Great job done by the police!
R.I.P Sweet Joan, my heart goes to her family
When they said he claimed to be at home in bed with his wife, I was like “All this and he was married!?!”
He was a conman. They don't care what they have to do to manipulate their victims. It hits differently for people, though, and it can make it more difficult for them to admit to themselves that they're being scammed. When they've been made to feel like they have a personal relationship with the perpetrator. It hits them emotionally as well as financially.
I wonder if Peter Crittenden was actually a Narcissistic Sociopath? People with this diagnosis are "experts" at finding lonely, vulnerable victims, and then draining them of all financial and material usefulness! 😢
He was just a bad, opportunistic person who preyed on a trusting older woman, simple as that. No analyses required.
Yes, exactly!!! He immeaditely reminded me about my sister's ex who is a diagnosed sosiopath! Or he could be a narcissist.
Anyway, they can make you believe any lie!!! Masterful manipulators of other people!
It is very very hard not to be manipulated by these people! Joan had no chances against the onslaught of Peter's lies and immaculate manners. He used every opportunity to gaslight her. These are extremely dangerous people!
@@zzzbbbooo: Not required, but an analysis is intellectually satisfying. I am curious to understand the reasons for human behavior. Many people seek to understand the workings of the mind.
i agree with you, that was my thought, and he chose a greedy money type job
So sad indeed, 😢 to murder someone who is old and frail is terrible, poor woman. 😢
I'm so sorry for Joan, and her Loved Ones.🥀🥀🥀🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️
This Poor Woman was robbed, and Murdered. Devastating!🥀🥀🥀🥀
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Why do they keep calling her a spinster? It's not a choice for some women!
RIP Joan, you deserved so much better 🤍🕊🪽
Couldn’t agree more. It has derogatory and outdated connotations.
I believe in England they still use that word. Here in the United States it's an outdated term. But even if it was her choice never to marry, she still falls under the definition of spinster.
Spinster is NOT derogatory just as batchelor for men is NOT derogatory....modern woke people see take offence at everything
The documentary is a few years old, hopefully they wouldn't use the term today. Sometimes it's easy to forget how quickly things like this have changed.
Spinster is not derogatory, I personally prefer the term spinster to the hideous term ms, which seems to relate to nothing.
That's how they do it , by looking oh so respectable.
He took advantage of her, I'm so mad and I'm not apart of her family.
Why do they keep calling her a spinster? She was a woman. A lovely human. RIP😢
Well said.
Be a gigolo if victim was male
Spinster just means a woman who never married. Male equivalent would be a batchelor. Nothing sinister or wrong about being one.
@@john1v6 It's a horrible term used only for women. Batchelor doesn't sound anywhere near as bad.
@@JenniferSW3 agreed!
Bachelor sounds bad too. Ask me. I am one. But it's critical information about me and if I died in mysterious circumstances, would be 100% relevant in the investigation.
Everyone wants to be loved. It doesn’t matter how old one is. Nobody wants to be lonely. I believe this is how the monsters seduce the elderly. There isn’t a hell hot enough for them.
Well said. ❤
I’m about Joan age, call me a spinster, you’d better be leaving quite quickly!
Stop focusing on her title, she fell for his bull.
Why? perfectly good word with a very specific meaning... don't let your own insecurities cloud your judgment, granny!!!
@@Marcel_Audubon its a disgusting derogitive word about 100 years outdated
Spinster
I agree that the word spinster has a bad connotation
Single is perfectly adequate
Ok, but why did they have to refer to her as a “spinster.” 😢
Really, actually they referred to her as the "elderly spinster"👿🤬....while men are "mature bachelors".
It's a legal term. Until you're married, you're a spinster...
@@GMW.artisthasn't been a legal term since 2005, "single" is used instead
Even worse was "elderly spinster" and the number of times the narrator used it. Disrespectful and so last century.
@@GMW.artist This is true in Ireland. My grandmother was listed as "spinster" as her occupation on the marriage certificate. Why not just call these women Old Maids. Ridiculous. I am not a fan of marriage and am not married. Happily. Let's get rid of this ridiculous labeling in all areas of our lives.
What a monster
no such thing, he is a predatory man
Thank you so much for sharing this moving & informative documentary w us on YT. ❤
That terrible man has all the traits of a true psychopath.He will never change!
exactly, even having a job in finance ie greedy mindset
What a dreadful story and how dignified are Joan's family in the telling of it. I hope they with time find some peace in their own lives.
Poor lady. She was obviously besotted by him. She didn't deserve to be murdered for her naivety.
She was TRUSTING...
Criminals sniff their victims out immediately. 😢
Pity she didn’t tell him I’ll just check out this plan of yours with my family solicitor. So sad: as usual, love is blind … and deaf.
she let her heart rule her head. Sad.
He was very domineering, and that came out when he appeared at trial. He made her follow this 'action plan' by ensuring she came to the estate agents with him. We don't know how often he was showing up at Joan's house. How he spoke to her, whether he threatened her, because he knew exactly where she lived. And as a Lone elderly female, that could be quite intimidating, and that may have explained why she didn't want the police involved, etc.
Crittendon has certainly killed before and what a coward to target women. I am so proud of the work the police did for this sweet lady.
This poor woman. Stop calling her ‘spinster’ 🙄 it’s so out-dated
I agree. It is a horrible, archaic word and the narrator used it so frequently, like we didn't get it the first time.
an unmarried woman, typically an older woman beyond the usual age for marriage
Not only that, but she was hardly elderly in her 50s 🤔
@@Lil.black.dress84No one misunderstands the definition. We just agree that defining a woman by her marital status is archaic and stupid.
@@1961-v9kthat sure as heck isn't old to me
Classic psychopath. Dominating the court, pointing at the jury, no remorse. He revealed his true self during his trial. I am so sorry for Joan that she had encountered that despicable human. Joan sounded like a beautiful person.
This sort of thing has always happened and probably always will.
I recall when I was a kid hearing two old ladies on a bus saying to each other;
"'Tes a wicked ol' world isn't et?"
"Yaas, and it don't get no bedder"
My sympathies to Joan’s family. I can tell her cousins were horrified at what happened to their vulnerable, shy cousin. The murderer was not the least bit remorseful because he is a shell, barely human, with no empathy. May he rot.
Poor woman! Because of the pancreatic cancer, she may have known that she didn’t have much time left on this earth. But on the on the other side, it shows that she was a fighter who wouldn’t let her lover steal her money and leave her unhappy. But so happy to know that he was finally caught with all the evidence and will spend the rest of his life in prison.
I love the closed circuit cameras and phones and technology that catches the criminals now
If a bloke comes to me with a smart suit talking about money...my first thought would 'conman'
This lady was not worldly wise
Like Don trumpy
i'd just be completely baffled as i don't have any!
@renatawarec Donald Trump never drew his salary as President of the US and restored the country's economy during his term of office . He will almost certainly be re-elected should he stand again .
Business people make better leaders than career politicians .
Very similar details to that recent British drama,The Sixth Commandment' . So sad, poor lady...❤
The sixth commanents was based on a true murder as well.
All very sad
I think the catalyst for the murder was Joan telling him she wanted to end 'the relationship' and wanted her money back. I dont think the motive was because he would get 85k instead of 100?!! No. It was becasue of the money he owed and she wanted back. And at some stage she believed that he had given it back (@9:12 neighbour said to Joans relations 'she told us you'd got it all back".) which he probably what he told her that time he came up for dinner a couple of days before he returned to kill her..he told her that to himself a few days to prepare to kill her.
My own thoughts are that this man’s wife must have been in on his fraudulent ongoings, I think she was with him when trying to get the bungalow valued, where did she think he was getting money from for all his flash spending, especially when he had done this to a previous elderly woman. I want to know if this man’s possession were seized due to proceeds of crime and whether his wife was ever charged for anything. Awful people!
I don't think she knew. He could have said he was a higher earner than he was
Or lied about what he was doing for work. Not all wealthy people are law-abiding citizens. Some will get that lifestyle through criminal activity.
Superb job by the detectives. Just amazing. The detectives need to be commended.
Uncle Norman and Joan seem like nice people.
The policeman saying he’s not going to make any moral judgements on the fact that the financial adviser was married and carrying on an affair is dumbfounding to me!
It’s pretty obvious to me that the man lacks moral integrity and is deceitful and not to be trusted..
Perhaps the police should receive some basic training in psychology. The ability to spot psychopaths would be handy in their line of work, ....was my thought when I heard the description of his charming manner and moral turpitude.
agreed
What he meant was that it’s not in his role description as a policeman to employ moral judgement.
Wow.
These good people remind me of a Monty Python sketch.
"Morning, Mr. Mellish."
"Morning, Enid."
"Did those paper clips come in?"
"They're over there."
Of course the poor woman was smothered for her money!
THREE postmortems.
For heaven's sake!
Taking advantage of people's good nature, kindness or vulnerability to extract money from them really really makes me so angry.
It's a good idea for any older person on their own to have a trusted family member or friend with power of attorney status so that they can't be taken advantage of in the way this poor woman was.
Never give someone power of attorney unless you have Alzheimer's. Instead tell any men you meet how poor you are.
Yes and then your relatives take advantage of you, clear out all your money. You're penniless, maybe homeless, and it's all been done without your knowledge. AFAIK you don't have any legal redress either because you willingly signed a POA whilst fully sane.
@@chrislastnam6822 agreed
@@bilindalaw-morley161 exactly, greedy kids and grand kids! I don't have any fortunately but I could still be targeted. I think it is worse now as young people are poorer and can't afford a house
Thorough job by police. Well done for their diligence and persistence. What an evil man Crittenden is.
What an evil S.O.B.! Conniving lying ...a true predator! RIP to Miss Beddison
RIP to such a vulnerable nice Lady! Preditors exist in all age groups! I’m 73 and am actually glad I have no such nest egg to be conned out of!
Sometimes fraudsters do sleep with their victims or commit romance scams these are the worst criminals
This is why the over 65 should by law have an independent person check agreements they are making. Preventing unscrupulous individuals taking advantage of them . This happens more than people realise.
You can see the pain and sadness in Joan’s cousin. I feel such sorrow for this victim and her family. I hope the family is doing well
Great job! Great care given to Joan! RIP
I am amazed at the stupidity of people who continue to commit the most heinous of crimes, apparently totally oblivious to the fact that in today's world CCTV cameras are EVERYWHERE and everyone and his cat has a phone that also acts as a camera. I don't even scratch my backside if I am outside of my house. Certainly it isn't illegal to do so but I don't want to appear on TikTok or RUclips or Facebook doing something that is a bit embarrassing.
Lt. Joe Kenda, a retired police officer in Colorado Springs and also the Homicide Hunter on TV, said that criminals are stupid and he's glad they are because if they were smarter he wouldn't have been able to catch so many of them. This man merrily made his way to Joan's house and ended her life and then took his happy self back home to his family, apparently totally unaware that he had been watched pretty much every step of the way.
Please don't take to crime. 😅😅❤❤❤❤
Great work. Thanks for sharing.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Very sad that evil people like this take advantage of vulnerable people
And it’s a pity that people with extra money don’t use it for positive things
Sixteen years and eleven months Crittenden received.
So dear Joan suffered at his hands, the police work was amazing as was the forensic but all let down by the so called Life Sentence of just sixteen years and eleven months. RIP Joan. You and your family deserved far better justice BUT the older the offender is, the shorter the sentence seem to be, in British so called "justice".
When I hear someone saying, she went for jackets, ties, presentable and that’s what he was, then in the same breath, he was patronising to the jury, he tried to belittle people and he lost his temper, I wonder why people continue to value material things such as clothes above kindness, humour etc. there’s not a lot to be said for the kind of upbringing that instilled these skewed values in my view.
All for money. So sad.
Horrible crime 😢
But I have 1 question. Where were her relatives before? She was a lonely living women, with property and money. It's always a magnet to bad people. They may not kill but can take advantage of a person’s trust. Therefore, for the sake of their loved ones, relatives should always be on alert.
They’re not gonna follow her on her new home and guard her 24/7! She only met the thug who fleeced her 3x!
Woman, many women
This type of crime mystifies me. Why would a person kill another person for money. Especially a senior. I just can’t understand how a person could think him paying his credit cards debt is more important than a human life. How could he look at his wife and children knowing their momentary happiness of a vacation came from you killing a kind hearted helpless old woman.
This type of murderer sickens me .
This guy really thought that he can get away with this?
Pretty dumb, huh
who doesn't know that the motorways and main roads are plastered with cameras. i broke down on a motorway slip road once and the Highways Agency got there to quiz me before the RAC arrived.
As a retired insurance broker, I used to work with financial advisors and not only would I not join their team, I wouldn't trust tham as far as I could throw them - they were incredibly greedy where other peoples money is concerned, which is a trait that I am uncomfortable with
Thanks for the video my friend, sorry I'm late
Its aweful how someone could do this.
Mr Crittenden is what my dad usually referred to as a " sl#meball ' when he talked about financial type agents.
This perpetrator would fit the textbook definition of a psychopath but they got through the entire docco without mentioning that once. It's a useful term and can be applied to a portion of humanity that needs to be identified for the protection of the rest of us.
Life insurance needs to be Banned world wide.
It certainly seems to be a catalyst for murder on many occasions.
Such a lovely and trusting lady. So caring and devoted. Hoodwinked by such an evil man. It's Leo .very upsetting. R.I.P Joan and sympathis to family and friends. So so twragic!
She was lonely and wanted company he is a theith and liar and murder give him death penalty he deserves it
Can't believe what an idiot he was. So glad they got him. Gets 275 thousand pounds and fritters it away on bullshit. Makes a complete mess of the crime scene. Arrogant and incompetent.
You should never tell anyone what you're worth
O so sad, a lonely old woman, trapt in a conman web. Happens all the time sadly.,all over the world.Afcourse he did t, greedy selfish greepy narchist person
While he got a life sentence, couldn't his wife be sued to retrieve some of the funds for the family and the other woman that he had defrauded in the same manner? Obviously, I don't know anything about British law, but I'm curious.
I was wondering the same. I hope the family launched a civil suit. It seems so unfair that his wife and family would get any benefit from his fraud.
If they did a post mortem how did they miss petechial haemorrhaging in the eyes?!
Not everyone has that happen
I feel Joan came to her senses in the end.
Retire the negative term "spinster". In this day and age women of 56 are often beginning new jobs or relationships. However, we are reminded to guard our safety more carefully
Bless you. Not to mention they're calling her old and elderly. Dang
One thing I've learned, it takes a really really long time to get to know someone. I don't feel like in this age group I need to be getting married. For me, I have a relationship, it's L.A.T.. Living Apart Together. I'm not moving in with anyone, no one's moving in with me, and I dang sure ain't taking a chance on a second marriage with a 75% chance of divorce!
@@stacyjaye6350 you are doing it the right way! I like that, L.A.T. I had an older relative years old she was over 75 and her boyfriend was 80 and they each had their own homes, maintained their own lives , but dated back and forth and stayed independent, including their finances. They were very happy and supportive of each other and certainly never got married nor pushed for more entanglement. I think it's people who are broke or have huge money trouble who always push to "move in" with someone. Yeah, because they have nothing and use the other person for whatever they can get. Older financially comfortable people need to be very aware of pitfalls out there, especially older "lonely" women.
or granny
It wouldn’t surprise me if he had tranquilised his wife so she would sleep 😴 through this sinister night!
Interesting idea. Not improbable given how cold and calculating he was.
@@Biloxicharles
Mmmhmmmm? 🤔
Have a joyful week Jaqueline! 🤗🇦🇺💖🌼
Kathy excellent point
Please call her a single senior lady to show her proper dignity.
why mention age - implying vulnerability - at all?
@@MsVanorak It is a caution factor for these vulnerable persons who live by themselves - just think about how she and another lady were targeted... in my humble opinion. It happens to senior single men too. This vulnerability is real to scammers and abusers.
@@MsVanorak unfortunately her age is a factor. Seniors need to have a good support system and not find themselves totally isolated. Elder abuse is real and happens in a variety is situations, from financial to emotional to crime. Whether people want to acknowledge the reality of aging and how it can make people vulnerable or not, it is a real problem.
@@retromoviefan944 well said. I am 59 and already planning what personal safety things I need to look out for and needed for when I am vulnerable one day. Elder abuse is real. at home, on the street collecting money, at care homes. eldlerly women particularly childfree ones will be targetted. I gave my elderly mother a purse chain and bell when she goes out, but my mother still trusts certain people ie religious people or people with dogs. she is very naive and a bit stupid actually. I don't trust anyone. My house has security and I work with a body cam. we have better technology now and gps systems for our friends etc. i have stickers caution dogs running, no cold caller etc. I have a doorbell camera with a siren. Even people who are in their 30s always answer the doorbell despite obvious risks. They are very naive and not street wise.
it's disturbing that in 2024, women are still referred to as "spinsters" as if their marital status defines them.
Was he ever convicted of the first fraud and murder? I hope so!
And we're his ill gotten gains. recovered for repayment of the money stolen, as it were, from the families of the murdered women? And we're his other cases investigated for evidence of fraud otherwise committed? The man is a horrible criminal.
Spinster!!! Wow what terminology is that.
What a sad story
Awesome video
Oh my God! How many proofs must find policemen to condemn a person! However sometime an innocent person is condemned!
Crittenden's minimum term was 16 years and 11 months, meaning he would have been released sometime around 2019 or 2020. I don't know whether they credited remand time back then, or how long he'd even spent on remand.
I can't find any more recent information on him. I think by now he'd be in his mid-eighties if he's actually still alive. Joan herself would have been around 92-93 years old by now.
The woman narrating the program repeatedly reference Joan as a "spinster" as if her not marrying defines Joan. Very odd narration.
in her case, it sort of did define her because she had spent her entire life caring for her aunt and uncle and had no romance, no marriage, no kids, etc. That severely isolated her emotionally and made her a vulnerable target for a con man who appealed to her emotions.
nothing wrong with that word, in fact it's been a legal term of description for generations
agreed
@@Marcel_Audubon doesn't mean it is right, language changes, maybe you are too young to know this
@@beaulieuc8910 I'm old enough to know that words have meanings and those meanings don't change just because ignorant people like you haven't learned their meanings. Spinster is the female equivalent of bachelor. That hasn't changed.
Disgusting preying on vulnerable ppl makes me so angry