Why Was This Nail Gun Free? It Has A Major Problem
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2023
- this gas powered porter cable nail gun was for free on the side of the road. well it was free for a reason, it has a big issue with it. and its not what you would expect.
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The lengths Mustie will go through to find a carburetor to clean.
I did some looking on a forum for the Porter Cable Bammer. It seems the manufacturer refused to repair the thing. It had an extremely high failure rate. They just stopped making the fuel cell (and apparently no one else does either) in an effort to just let the thing die a slow death. There are hundreds of these paperweights for sale on eBay and other sales/auction platforms. Very interesting and enlightening video Mustie1. You did two things, showed us what it was made of and educated us NOT to buy it regardless of the “Good Deal” a seller may offer.😎😎
I found that they make a airsoft filling adapter for propane that will refill the fuel cells for the Porter-Cable bammer
In the UK, the failure rate of Paslode nailer is so high that a large number of roofing companies will hire them from Monday to Friday.
I have seen the hire van pull into site to offload on Monday morning and come back Friday afternoon to swap out all the nailers ready for the next working week.
My research yielded that you can use a Airsoft Propane adapter to refill it with in about a 2 second burst.
@@catfisher420. Apparently using MAPP gas instead of propane gives better results.
Musty should backfill the cylinder with butane through those valves and then find the hardest wooden board made and see how much butane to drive the nail into it or blow out the valves or, if enough is in it, to crack the cylinder.
My hired man and I had to do some major repairs to the roof of a livestock barn after a bad storm a few weeks ago. He had a nice Paslode gas-fired nailer and I had my usual air-powered Paslode Compact. While I can certainly see the advantages of a gas-powered gun in certain situations, he spent a lot of time trying to figure out if he was out of gas, out of battery, etc., while I kept on nailing away. I guess I have been using air hoses so long I'm used to trailing one, especially the new lighter ones that are a lot easier than the heavy hoses I started with way back in the 70s. And a special Wednesday greeting from NC farm country to all the hard-working men and women who keep this country moving!
it is interesting to me- nail guns are rarely used here. Most stuff isn't wood, screws are used more and when nails are used (mostly for roof construction) they are often very long and you would need a giant nail gun.. so hammers get still used a lot. The few nail guns I have seen all used batteries- never seen the gas versions.
I wouldn't call paslode guns "nice" I've used them, they don't drive the nails consistently and like you say, it's always a dance of gas and batteries. I now have a milwaukee nailer, and it solves all these problems. You need a bigger capacity or output battery, but unless the battery is almost dead, it's very consistent. The thing I like about this porter cable unit is no battery. I imagine paslode felt they needed The battery for reliability, but it just creates another problem.
Good old air for me 😊
THANK YOU!! for keeping America frome STARVING TO DEATH!!!! 🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐
@@LewisMowersandBoats air is good, too. single source is best, battery, gas, or air.
Airsoft propane adapter will fill those Bammer cells
Was also thinking paintball/airsoft direction.
For my airgun I modified cartridges to be refillable.
Though exactly the same
I have one and I still have 2 new cartridges and yes you can refill them with a paintball gun adapter I don't remember there's a video on it on RUclips
Taking it apart was impressive. Putting it back together takes “impressive” to another level.
A bonus Mustie! Life is good!! Passload makes 2 gas cartridges, 1 long for the framing nailer, 1 short for the finish nailer. Looks like you have the longest one.
Mustie, those fuel cans are mostly full of liquid, with pressurized vapour in the space not occupied by the liquid. If you join them together like you were doing, the vapour pressure in both will equalize, and all the liquid will eventually dribble into whichever one is lower.
The finned metal fitting that holds the fuel can in the gun is a heat exchanger, to deal with the latent heat of vaporization (cooling effect) created by the fuel changing from a liquid to a gas as it fills the combustion chamber. Without the heat exchanger, the mechanism would likely ice up and stop working.
It always comes back to latent heat...
a cool sink
Once the pressures equalize, no more fuel will dribble as that would increase the pressure on the (hopefully) receiving side.
What one could do is buy a dozen of the available cartridges, fill halfway (the max) with one, then fill to 3/4 with a second, 7/8 with a third. Basically an air compressor cascade system. Just label each one or store in order so you're always starting with the most volume, then working toward the lesser volume but higher pressure.
I think a propane adapter for a green gas powered air soft gun would allow you to fill the old fuel cells from 1 lb propane cylinders and let you get the cell quite a bit fuller. If the fill needle is the wrong size, butane can lids usually come with an assortment of adapters built into them.
thats what i said
So. . just wanted to let you know. You showed up in my feed about a week ago. I have watched so many of your videos, listened to your stories, and after 20 years plus of turning wrenches learned so much, that I just wanted to say thank you. What a wonderful channel, perfect way to use youtube the way I always thought it should be, and the education you have given is priceless. Love what you do, thankful you do it, and please keep going! That it.
Old carpenter here. Porter Cable used to be top of the line, someplace in the 90's they got sold/went to hell. I still have old Porter Cable tools (50 years old) that are great, and I've thrown away Porter Cable tools that died in a few years. I used to look for them when I was young, now I avoid them (unless they're real old!). They used to be famous for their routers (owned the market) and belt sanders, but everything they made was great. I still have a router and belt sander from the late 60's early 70's that beats most of the stuff sold today.
Wednesday videos from mustie1 are always a treat
Nice mid week bonus video, thank you.
I have a number of Porter Cable air powered nailers, never messed with the gas powered ones.
Now I'm educated on gas powered ones.
Fun fact, if you cool the cartridge, you’re trying to fill and warm up the cartridge that is full. It will do a heat transfer and suck more into the cold one that is how I used to transfer propane from tank to tank.
Yes !
How did you cool the cartridge?
@@migueldelagfreezing it
@@migueldelag freezer works good. It's how i refill my empty 1lb propane bottles. The issue is there the orifice the gas goes through is tiny, not really enough to let any flow through without pressure behind it. The cooler you make the liquid gas (propane or butane) the lower it's pressure. conversely the hotter you make it the higher the pressure. It's more or less always safe to cool a tank (unless your playing with liquid nitrogen or something), and while heating the the source tank does work, i don't' recommend it for obvious reasons.
Without a temperature differential between the tanks, they will both be at the same pressure (or will be as soon as a tiny amount of gas transfers) and you won't get much flow.
another nice thing about using the freezer is you usually won't get more than about a half fill doing it that way, which is good, because you REALLY don't want to overfill this type of tank. It's a pretty minor annoyance to have to deal with compared to the risk of overfilling. If you really must try to get a full fill, it has be done by weight.
Useless advice. What you should transfer is a liquid, transferring the vapour is more than inefficient. It is a basic physics.
Thank you for taking it apart!!
The fact it worked after you put it back together!!
I needed this thanks for the midweek video bud❤ definitely improved on a not so good day today.
This man is a free stuff magnet ,that is so great for us subscribers
Yes he is! I drive around here and see nothing!
If you warm up the supply cylinder (wrap it with a hot towel…say?) and cool the Porter-Cable cartridge (stick it into a bucket of ice water), it should fill quite well. Also, Ronson butane cans for cigarette lighters come with a whole bunch of adapters - something ought to fit.
The smell of an .049 engine. Brings back memories. All this battery operated stuff. Nothing like the challenge of getting an 049 to start.
ooh , a mid-week treat especial .. thats my lunch-break sorted
Thanks..I love getting a Mustie 1 video in the middle of the week your videos make me Chill I have to get my Mustie 1 Fix almost Daily THANK YOU 😀
Thank you for sharing. Very interesting, enjoyed the video👍.
Amazing your ability to take things apart and restore to normal. I have changed over to battery powered and what a difference for the best that is.
O49 Cox Fox 35 McCoy 35 they had that sweet smell thank you for the reminder I had these motors in the 1950s.
A midweek treat, thanks from Norwich 🇬🇧
That is interesting. first time I had ever seen a butane powered nail gun. Awesome video Mustie1 👍
Fun video for sure ! Good info on an obsolete tool, interesting to see how it's made. Thanks !
Cool mid week Mustie video is always a treat many thanks for your time and effort providing enjoyment for us
Thank you for doing so many videos!!! You are awesome!!!!
I found this interesting, in 50 something year's of life, i have never seen one f these. I hope we still get the sunday special, because i lok forward to it, and am hoping to see the new fleet car coming back to life. I appreciate these video's, and G-d bless you and the wife.
Hi Darren, put the full cartridge in hot water & it'll pressurise the empty one to nearly full , turning down a small brass adapter with some O rings on either side to seal the gas in during transfer will let you use the larger cheap Chinese disposable stove cartridge types , I regularly use these to backfill obsolete stove cartridges here in the UK which like your one are made of unobtanium 😂
just "purchase" a 16gauge battery powered finish nailer and be done. lol
or buy an air driven model if you never work where there's no air/power/small jobs all over a building.
100% love midweek mustie videos 😍if i remember right, Porta Cable was bought up by Black & Decker about 15 +years ago. Guess by now, everything made by Porta prior to that takeover, Spares have stopped being made now..
Loved that episode! Put that thing back together!
There ain’t nothing like a midweek Mustie1 video. Awesome as always. Thank you
Man you sent me back with that Cox engine smell. Great memories with my Dad flying U-control planes when I was a kid in the 90s.
Awesome little Wednesday video! Nice to know how those power nailers work with gas.
Thanks for the mid week treat
Love this video, you nailed it 🤣🤣 but seriously loving the videos. Keep up the good work can’t wait till the next one.
I have a paslode version of the framing nailer. You have to keep them very (very) clean and well oiled. If you do then they work quite well.
Dude you rule. I always enjoy tour adventures.
Must’ve is the best! Great video! 🎉
Happiness is checking notifications and seeing a bonus Mustie1. Awesome.
Mid week Mustie is goooood. Honestly the making it work long term question is probably more interesting than the how does it work part. Not that I knew how it worked until now. If you cut that refill cylinder down you could tig a grill nozzle on to end of it and hook it to a 20lb bottle and refill it until the internal valve of the original cannister finally gives up. That would be my choice. The other option would be to tap into the feed line and connect an external hose to one of those little coleman bottles and make a kind of sling for it. That makes it a little less portable.
What a very pleasent surprise, Sir! Mustie1 on a wednesday is like asking the wife for a beer on a monday 😊
I have a full size Porter Cable air nail gun and a matching brad nailer. They are both 20 years old and still hammering away
You are good i would never put it back together , Wow , and it works , love your videos
Are we back to Wednesday videos?!?!? I have been binging your content that I have seen multiple times over the years. It NEVER gets old.
Talk about an early Sunday on a Wednesday!
Mustie one nailed it again
The latch you opened on the nose of the nailer is mainly to clear jams. I never heard of a propane nailer before! Very interesting!
Bonus - thanks for the mid week video, Mustie1!
The butane paslode trim guns used the smaller yellow cartridges. Might be able to make an adapter to compensate the length for your new bammer. Hitachi also had them.
These free off the side of the road bits of stuff have made for great viewing over the years and I am sure you find a solution to getting the cartridge filled up bro. Safe travels. Ken.
@26:00 - Functions like a 2 stroke. The piston moving back to the expanded area allows the exhaust to go forward while the return of the piston to the smaller area (in reset) brings in a fuel/air charge from the rear reed valves. All the combustion takes place in that rear part (I think.) Like an airbag gas generator type thing.
Came here to say this ; when it's fired the piston moving forward draws the fuel/air charge into the chamber at the top of the cylinder and pushes the exhaust from the previous fire out the bottom; during the return the combustion portion of the cylinder gets pushed into the lower part to be pushed out with the next boom. At least that's how it was on the similar one that I took apart, although that one had a spot on the lower part, the "finger" that drives the nail, where you'd open the front with the spring latch and then use a nail tip or a screwdriver tip to "Cycle" the piston to clear the chamber and draw a fresh fuel/air charge in.
I had an old battery rebuilt by a place online. It was better after the rebuild and lasted longer. It was for an old weed whacker that looked knew but was 20 years old! It still works great!
What childhood memories came back when you said Cox .049. Those were the days!
I’ve got the paslode 40 which fires the smaller thicker nails into concrete and steel. It’s a gas with electronic control. For fixing brackets to girders it’s amazing 👍
Great diagnosis.
It is a bit similar to an engine as you said .... and im nerdy , so the barecue lighter system you explained is correct .... although it does not use battery ,instead it uses quartz piezo crystal , to ceeate the spark..
I believe if i remember correctly , the spring loads ,before release , and a hammer of sorts ,makes the crystal release its energy ...in turn you get an electric spark .
Holy crap a bonus Wednesday Mustie video!! Quick where’s my coffee….
Got my coffee
Wish mustie had a mug
That looks like a butane cylinder. You can get a refill can at a cigarette/smoke shop for about $5. Used to refill lighters and Micro Torches from HF. Love you stuff! 👍
Interesting. I have a pneumatic/air Porter Cable framing nailer that no longer works. I think it has a bad diaphragm and no parts available any longer. Nice tear-down. Thanks for sharing
I will never buy another Porter Cable tool again. I had almost every 18 volt battery operated tool they made. When some of my batteries stopped holding a good charge, i went to buy more a couple more and was informed they were no longer available. I couldn't believe that a company would just screw over all of their customers like that. The saving grace to this was the store manager at Lowe's where i had purchased them 11:57 from sold me the same combo set that I had in the new 20 volt for a token fee. That was outstanding customer service on his end. I almost threw the old 18 volt set away but did not and then found out later about the conversion adapters you can buy and use with the 20 volt batteries. All of the tools work great, however i will not ever replace any of them with Porter Cable. My rant for the day. Thanks for the Wednesday video Mustie!
Warranty voiding Wednesday - let’s get into it!
I had to check my watch its not Sunday and a Musti1 Video on Wednesday.. Got to get my coffee too!! Time to learn something.
Who doesn't like taking shit apart to figure out how it works? Love the video's... thanks for spending the time. Pasload makes a smaller fuel cell for their trim guns. It will be half the length of the one you have as a refuel. You may be able to shim behind the cell in the gun to make the Pasload fuel cell work. The Pasload guns use a battery to create a spark. I provide Paslaod framing and trim guns for my employees. More costly per use but way more convenient than dragging a compressor and hose fed guns.
Keep up the great video's.
Lucky find, those gas powered ones tend to be quite pricy but they are fantastic because no one wants to have an air hose around when doing roof work or something, and pure battery powered ones just don't have enough power to them. Think I paid about 400€ for mine. Though mine still needs a battery to ignite the gas so I'm guessing this one works more like a lighter to ignite it
Milwaukee fuel nail guns are more powerful than gas guns. I have both. The gas ones are good for ladder work. The Milwaukee are for excellent for framing and exterior trim
This was definitely different a nice little video of interest thank you for sharing this six stars brother
Well, that was certainly different.... Good change of pace.... Cool nostalgia..lol
thank you for this was not expect this today
Such a kind welcoming voice. Mr Rogers or Bob the Painter. ASM at its finest
Normally on those refills you have to purge the pressure out of the 'empty' item first, maybe a butane refil can would work (and be cheaper) better than buying cartridges to sacrifice?
Never used a gas powered nail gun but have used an air powered nail gun that had a pressure multiplier attached via a special hose, used for attaching wood floors to steel beams, the thing looked a bit like a pogo stick, put one foot on it and hung onto the T handle pull the trigger and it banged the steel pin through the wood and 3/8 steel flange of the beam, much faster and cheaper than the cartridge nail guns when putting in a lot of pins.
WOW, very interesting piece of gear! Tesla should be billed for it's funeral! Thanks for giving us a treat in the middle of the week Mustie! Take care!
The engineering to create that nail gun was quite extensive. Also quite interesting using miniature explosion of gas to drive the piston. Think we learned something new.
there's been mini explosions to drive nails for a while...........22 short driving concrete nails has been around a long time
@@mickdog2 yep my dad a master builder/ engineer had one you tapped with a hammer he bought at a military surplus store after WW2 was on island of Guam 1944-46 Navy Seabee.
they tried to compete with Paslode and lost horribly. hence the defunct useless drivel left behind. I wonder if there's even nails that fit in it now?
Thanks for the bonus shop time Mustie1!
That was very educational darin. Never seen an air nail gun like that but we know such technology does exist out there. I'm going to guess it was just a prototype and they don't make them anymore thus the reason you can't find the fuel canisters anymore too.
Mustie, love your work buddy! This one had me curious and after reading a few posts on the subject of Bammer Fuel Cells, I found a few references to a potential solution, using an Airsoft propane adapter to recharge your depleted cell. The jungle store has them for $15-$20.
The big aluminium piece is there to heat the propane so you don't put liquid propane into the combustion chamber. On refilling them you could put the empty one in the freezer. Propane is 1/2 gas/liquid, so you can get most of it out if the filler cylinder is cold. I'd actually be careful about over filling the cylinder if you use the freeze method. I'm sure you could find the right size hard tube and make plumbing to fill the small one's from bigger propane bottles or full cylinders. Just make sure you are pushing liquid in and make sure it doesn't overfill.
I’d go and find some that’s empty and refill them with some not all the way full. But just enough to have a canister of them on hand if needed then refill them when done, they don’t have to be full to work. He is not building a house.
If there any leak your hands are going to get sever frostbite
Definitely, if you are going to fill something with propane you need to make the receiving cylinder cold and the supplying tank should be facing down to get the (L)iquid (P)ropane to exit. I usually put the small tanks I refill from a 20lb tank in the freezer for 30 minutes and they fill fine but will not accept hardly any when warm. I did 5 one lb. bottles yesterday in about 30 minutes for all. You just need some type of adapter to go from a larger to a smaller tank. Perhaps you can invent one and Patent it?
Wear gloves when refilling it. People use your brains. I can
Refilling just takes time and different temperatur in the bottles.The filling bottle should be in top and empty in bottom for faster filling. Heat the filler bottle and it get a higher pressure than the empty and the gas/liguid will then thranser. This will go on till the empty bottle is completely full.
My Black & Decker battery powered screwdriver takes batteries that are hard to get.
It takes a cylindrical 6 volt battery.
I just hook it up to a 4 pack of rechargeable D cell batteries with a long chord.
Or use my other totally cordless bit driver with patent dates anywhere from 1898 to around 1911.
A North Brothers 1545
Aka an eggbeater with two speeds and a 5 position ratcheting transmission, also with a hex adapter on it for all kinds of hex bits.
I love that tool.
North Brothers was also the company that invented the Yankee line of tools.
It is extrodinarily rare to use air line plumbed tools over here in the UK, the Paslode versions of these were used quite widely but the fuel cells and tools themselves were extortianately priced. Battery powered tools that do the exact same job but without the guaranteed clogging up after a few thousand cycles becasue of the oil they mixed with the gas to keep the firing chamber lubed, or the spark dying, or the tool refusing to fire because of low temperatures or a dozen other little things has meant that they have pretty much died out apart from the very heavy application ones used to fire nails into concrete or steel.
Simple solution ... Get a 5 gallon propane tank, with a little tiny hose😂. I absolutely love this channel.
Did you say "shock igzorber?" HAHA!
Happy humpday, Mustie1!
Another day,another new thing learned😎 for you and us.
Well you really nailed that one! 🤣
Porter Cable tools were made in Jackson, Tennessee. Their parent company was Pentair. I worked for Delta Woodworking tools in Tupelo, Mississippi and Pentair was our parent company too.
Similarly, I bought a Craftsman jointer/planer a few years ago. When I needed replacement blades, I learned Craftsman no longer sold them. Needless to say, that’s the last Craftsman product I’ll ever buy.
You can buy a replacement armature with a spiral cutter head. They're way smoother and cut better then the original. Downside is they run a couple hundred bucks. But if it's in good shape and you like the tool it's definitely worth it. I'm trying to decide if I want to do that or upgrade the tool right now. $300 (armature) or around $2000 (new jointer) (6" to 8" jointer). Some of that old stuff is hard to beat, it just doesn't wear out or die, just need fresh blades once in a while.
I think that heat sink looking thing takes any liquid gas passing through and warms it to vapor for the rest of the gun.
If you heat the donor canister and invert it (assuming no pickup tube to the far end from the valve), you'll get mostly liquid transferred, hopefully getting more than half the contents transferred.
8:00 I'm gonna say there is a crystal in the trigger mechanism like an electronic ignition cigarette lighter uses. There are certain crystals where if you put pressure on them will generate a voltage. That is what is in a bbq lighter. It probably uses a pressure spring or something like that to regulate how much propane gets into the combustion chamber.
But I don't know how it will allow air into the chamber or even how the exhaust works. This should be interesting.
Thanks buddy that was interesting.
Apparently a propane bottle can fill that with a refill adapter.
Cracking find Darren
Nice little "machine" ... always interesting to see what makes something like this tick. Incidentally, the butt part with all the ribs is a kind of "inverted heatsink" which takes heat out of the environment, to turn the liquid butane into gaseous form ready for combustion... A gasifier in other words. Neat trick which doesn't need extra energy to power it. I imagine this nailgun would have been a pain to use outside in cold weather though. The "trigger" is nothing more than a piezo electric ignitor, similar to what's used in some lighters.
Interesting video and, by the way, neat trick to put it back together again based solely on your memory of which part goes where :)
They sell curling irons that use propane cartridges. However I am not sure if they are the size you need.
If you're talking hair curling irons that's sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.!
The good thing about battery operated tools is that usually when the batteries change someone makes an adapter to run other batteries or you can get them rebuilt.
good tutorial on gas powered nail gun. Air is a much better approach but now you need a compressor.
I am going to make one suggestion that I know we can get reap refill those canisters it's the same ones that they use for cigarette lighters that you can refill and the little propane torches that you can refill should be able to get a can of a big can of it to rebuild that area that little time all right this is Bob from Vero Beach Florida God bless have a great day stay safe and as always keep up the good videos
Put the empty one in a freezer to make it colder than the full one and the butane will flow into the empty one. I have used this method to fill disposable lighters and the small propane bottles. As long as the pressure is lower in the empty one colder than the full one the gas will transfer. Have the empty on the bottom and the full one above it. I use this method to fill those disposable lighters. It works well.
Was reading some forums online and someone said they haven't made these canisters for over 10 plus years but they did have a work around. Amazon has an adapter that goes on the little green propane tanks that u can fill the small canister with. Its called airsoft propane green gas adapter...
As soon as I saw this pop up on my You Tube notifications, I knew it would be a Bammer. I got a deal on one when first released and still returned it. It’s like they took all the worst parts and failures of their air nailers and added the cordless gas technology. I owned it for a weekend and it misfired/jammed/under fired on almost all. At the time, I couldn’t find any positive reviews of it. Place I bought mine from had 50% return rate on them.
You should always be able to refill the Bammer cell until the pressure between the two cartridges equalizes. As long as the Bammer is empty it will always allow the gas to enter until pressures equalizes though the volume of gas will decrease with the lowering of pressure with each fill. You'll get less service from each fill but, hey; it was free! Love your videos, Mustie 1.
The problem is the tip gets sealed by the valve. So what you have to do is mangle the tip so it doesn't seal on the valve. We did it by just cutting the tip at an angle. That way the point pushes the valve in and gas can still flow. But one problem you run into is having nothing but pressurized propellent in the can you're trying to fill. Then you can't get any more charge in until you empty the propellent out.