(2022) MECH-17 i9 12900H and Ryzen 6900HX! Expectations, Tuning and LPP Greatness!
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
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I've been using both of these for a bit, pretty nice so far!
Oh will you be doing a review for them soon?
Oh you teaser you. Now I'm excited to see what you can do with these monsters of laptops.
@@ookami-chan3328 It's happening, just not sure when, there's a lot going on at the moment!
@@Terreos 😏😏
@@JarrodsTech looking forward to it!
You dont know how much you miss it till you see it...lets go Bob!!!!!!
Loving my Mech-17GP. Really happy for you to be a part of my favorite laptop company, Bob. I can't think of a better match. Keep up all the awesome work. I may have to grab one of those eluktronics neon signs! That looks sick!
Great to see you, Bob! I’ve tried a few Mech 15’s and always had issues with that weird mechanical keyboard skipping keypresses, so I was thrilled to see the new Mech 17 with cherry mx switches.
I understand that a cost and weight-savings measure was taken with the numpad by making them membrane switches instead of cherry mx switches - if those membrane keys get replaced with cherry’s in the future I will immediately be sold.
Fantastic model overview!
Long time no see! Good to watch a video by you again.
I'm glad to see you guys stepping up your game. This year has been hyper-competitive and your machines just didn't stand out unless they were on sale. These machines check every box for me and I will strongly consider buying one around the holidays.
Welcome back Mr. Bob. Good to see you after so long. Hope you and your family are doing well.
Absolutely the best channel for reviewing laptops in general! I hope you keep that trend going. I like your in depth reviews and I think your channel deserve more recognition.
I already have 11th gen laptop but really excited for you guys going into the future. Would definitely strongly consider Eluktronics first on my next laptop in a few years.
One thing I like a LOT about you people is your honesty. Like if you watch this review midway without any prior knowledge, you'd think it an unbiased 3rd party review!
Ey Man! You're back! Good to see you around!
Good to see another video Bob
Underrated channel.... I got hp omen 17 2080super. After his review:) always clear well presented and only important information for gamers. Plus tuning stuff to improve performance and so on..
Should be 10x subscribers
Good to see you once again making videos. You helped me to decide to buy an AERO 15 even with all the problems it had, maybe now you can convince me to buy this brand?
Good to see you back on the channel. I always enjoy your program. Why does Eluktronics not have brighter screens? I was told they are 300 nits. The last gaming computer I bought has 500 nits.
Welcome back, Bob!
While liquid cooling isn't exactly a mobile setup for laptops, it can be nice to easily disconnect the liquid cooling and take the laptop on the go without it. I wouldn't mind the trade off of not having liquid cooling on the go for the mobility. On the whole, it would seem on face value that this would be a better DTR laptop than a mobile creator-editor station. Then again, liquid cooling is pretty awesome on a laptop. I don't think there are other non-ODM mainstream companies that offers something like this out there.
Edit: I've had the R7 3700x equipped Thicc-15 (XMG Apex-15) for 2 years now and it's still running solid. It can be a bit loud and there are times I wished it had a liquid cooling option to keep the fans less noisy.
As to the new Mech-17... It's just so strangely and ingeniously engineered that I can't help but *drool* at it! :D
Thicc-15 is such a great name for a desktop replacement laptop! 😂 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Bob I really have to give you props for being so honest and blunt with your information. Even though you work for Eluktronics being as forthcoming as you are just speaks volumes. THANK YOU. Don't change man.
It kind of kills me that the intel version doesn't have the thunderbolt port connected to the dGPU. If I wanted to get one of these to use as a DTR I'd want to have it connected to an external thunderbolt 4 enclosure for all my extra peripherals. Webcam, Mic, two external displays, and keyboard. First world problem I know, but that would make it alot simpler to undock when it was time to take it on the road. If the AMD version ever got a new revision for USB 4 I'd think that was be the perfect mixture. One of these days someone is gonna make the perfect laptop. Just so close. . .🤣
I do wish these were around when the Clevo x-170 was the best around. Because seem to be on another level.
Glad to see you make a video again Bob. Take care!
connecting to dGPU is best for performance, but connecting to iGPU is best for mobility. At least in case of my Dell laptop and my friend's MSI laptop, even after you disconnect the laptop from external screen, the Nvidia GPU keeps being active which horribly reduces battery life, so you either have to completely reboot the laptop(not an option of you have tons of apps open) or turn off the GPU manually via device manager, which is super annoying. No such problems when your monitor is connected to iGPU. you can just put it to hibernation mode and take it where you want, continuing your stuff without reboots or inconveniences.
This is an Intel rule read their chipset layouts online for 12th gen mobile chips. One monitor on hdmi, and the other on USB-c with advanced Optimus will still work well
Welcome back Bob!
Love your videos :)
Love the videos, Bob Of All Trades! You're the best channel for Eluktronics and other Yongfeng chassis laptops!
Could you elaborate why Advanced Optimus doesn't work on the AMD model? I noticed this with nearly every manufacturer with Ryzen 6000 + Nvidia GPU laptops.
AMD the problem?
Nvidia the problem?
Display resolution or refresh rate the problem?
Or is Intel problem?
Good to see you back Bob! Also good to see that Prema is supporting you guys. Why couldn't he do the BIOS on the AMD unit? I might have missed that.
Great point about the VR !
AMD hasn’t made their mobile CPUs with hidden features while the Intel mobile platform is full of them.
@@BobOfAllTrades basically AMD has given the middle finger to laptop enthusiasts, what a surprise. They've always been doing that.
@@john-paulhunt6943 would be great if Gigabyte did. But I do wonder if TB4 will bottleneck RTX 4000 though
We missed you bob
Hello Bob, hope a lot of content is coming for 4000 series. Have been sitting on a 2000 series and skipped 3000 so now is the time for me to upgrade. Also since you are plugged in with Eluktronics, you should request for them to make an absolutely chunky 18 or 19 inch. I'm probably gonna get the 17 inch 4090 with LPP2 so I would love overclocking videos.
great vid Bob ;) I'm sad that in my European country Mechs are unavailable, I'd like to try such laptop.
Also I really, really like when someone from dev team _explains_ why things are done in this particular way. This is sooooo informative and ...mmm how to say, disposes to trust.
Question: why battery is placed not most towards end of chassis. I mean there is some space between battery and end of chassis. This would've improved experience with opening laptop and when laptop is on laps due to weight distribution.
The battery was a bit too thick and the front is a bit too narrow. It properly looks weird since the 16:10 17” chassis is big.
xmg sells similar products in europe
A mux switch is always welcome. I was hoping to see more HK or HX laptops in the market that will allow undervolting. Would also be nice to have an i7 option here.
Nice software though.
this i9 is the worst value. It performs the same as i7 in multitreaded tasks, while still not offering voltage tuning. All it has is barely higher turbo clockspeeds and that's literally it. Jarrod's Tech compared them and basically this i9 isn't worth it.
@@tabalugadragon3555 Totally agree. The 12900H is the worst choice when it comes to CPU. Wish it never existed.
@@tabalugadragon3555 i9 intel mobile cpus and rtx 3080 mobile always bad value. usually its best to go w/ the mid to high end cpu i7 line and 3060/3070 mobile gpus
Ayy long time no see
Honestly, I would like to purchase my next laptop from u guys :)
16:10 17.3? That's hot. I've been waiting for this to happen. What's the official size now? Like 15.6 turns into 16/16.1 , what's 17.3 turn in to?
Bob, I would love your honest opinion on the mechanical keyboard on the mech 17. I am thinking of getting one but I keep seeing people complaining about keystrokes not registering sometimes with the mechanical keyboard, that is a deal breaker for me. Is that still the case with the 2022 version? If yes, is the hinge design on the Prometheus VII pretty good because I've seen other laptops in the past with similar hinge designs and they don't last long. I would rather use a membrane keyboard on the Prometheus VII and my keystrokes registering but I'm scared of the hinge design on it.
water cooling ! woah
Goood to see a video from you again. I was wondering if you guys plan on trying to innovate with any newer designs for air cooling kinda like asus with there unique venting and dual screen solutions. Also just curious with all the power intel has why not allow it to have liquid cooling as well or is that an option. Eluktronics does make some awesome pcs but I’d love to see some different designs that help out with air cooling etc liquid metal and some other things I think would really help out with stuff.
The liquid cooling on a laptop is definitely a game changer but it’s not really a moveable solution at this point it’s a desktop replacement which there are some that have had even more power than these in desktop replacement category.
Good to see you again on video hope all is well.
They shouldn't even call this a desktop replacement, and should bring back the desktop cpu ones (for AMD as well...) with LPP and other features that they have on intel. Better chasis should also go to both not just whatever they can't sell otherwise, same goes for discounts...
I'm pretty sure both of these have liquid cooling.
@@ACE112ACE112 yes they do but he didn't show any benchmarks...I wonder why?
@@RetiredMillennial he showed benchmarks in the beginning. Not sure if that was with liquid cooling.
@@ACE112ACE112 it's not, he just talked about LPP and showed one of them in gaming without mentioning which one it is.
FINALLY
Hi, was the CPU on the Intel system repasted with Liquid Metal?
Hi ,thnx for the great videos, can i ask u about the best laptop for graphic design work around price 1500-2000 $
Hey bob having some laptop trouble I got the Eluktronics 970tf after your videos on it and it’s been great the past few years but recently have to rig the charger into it to get it to turn on was wondering if it was soldered on I do not have the tools to open up the entire case or would check myself also any suggestions for how to deal with this would be great thanks!
Are the cooling solutions shared between the AMD and Intel models? I remember Intel and AMD cooling solutions differed in past years
Bob! Been a while used to watch your channel. I've looked at these Mech 17s on Amazon. Is the liquid cooler included or is it a separate purchase?
Included 👌
3 things from me (for the feedback)
1) you really sold me on the external liquid cooling. before today i had previously written it off as a bit of a gimmik. and just not worth bothering with. however your short and concise demonstration with the audio levels really turned my head. as to how much more pleasant it could be. really well done and i hope you include that same clip in other future marketing materials. since pretty much the most annoying thing (for me) about a laptop is the noise under load and/or having to use headphones. so really i thank you for going to the extra effort there with that. i now know i want those ports in the back of the laptop!
2) you guys (and tongfang or whomever else was involved here) really exceeded my hopes and expectations on both the keyboard and trackpad. being somebody who loved the execution of the macbook pro trackpad, the extra size of it being useful for multi finger gestures. and just having that extra sense of control. so i hope it does not get cut, or reduced back down (at east not too much). and especially i would assume that on a 16 inch version it would still be a pretty good and generous size. as for the keyboard, again i did not expect this to be so amazingly good. and really appreciate this new keyboard so awesome. in terms of the sound (althought i dont mind myself). indeed it could be possible to make it quieter at a future time. what was noticed by another independant laptop reviewer (not about your chassis, but about those same cherry low profile switches in other laptops). was that on 1 laptop there was a ringing sound because the keys bottomed out on the end of travel. onto the deck. so that would then ring on a full strike of the key. wheras on a different model of laptop there was no ringing. instead the keys bottomed out and it seemed either it was hitting a rubber gasket, or a rubberized or plasticy fim (i.e. cut sheet layer), or similar surface to absorb the hitting of the keycap and not ring out like an un-treated hard plastic or metal deck would. however this was also the reviewer assuming the sound was not coming from within the key switches themseves (ie browns vs reds). because they seemed 'confident' that there was only 1 and same exact cherry switches being used by both models of laptop. so maybe worth checking what is the deal there. since of course cannot change something making a sound inside of each individual switch itself. only if that part of the noises is happening outside. unless cherry will make a different variant of their switches. anyhow the current sound personally does not really bother me too much... just including here for completeness, and for others
3) for the thunderbolt (or usb4) unfortunately i really want to be asking for something like this over on amd side. however i do have a more niche use case. actually my requirement is not too challenging technically, it is just that i really desperately want to connect my legacy pro audio interface to my laptop. and there is no substitute for it, the saffire pro 40 is a studio quality firewire audio interface. and it therefore requires a pci-e firewire controller on the host side, which must be a texas instruments pci-e x1 card. or (over in thunderbolt world) there are 2-3 thunderbolt docks or adapters which can convert firewire to thunderbolt. or for any other reasonable way to connect a pci-e x1 slot to the laptop which is not going to be too cumbersome or janky / dodgy connection. the thing is i know intel can do it already however the battery life is too much of a compromise vs the amd. and while ryzen might not support thunderbolt this generation i really am hoping that in the future amd chipset will be supporting the version of usb 4 standard that also includes passing pci-express lanes and pci-e hoplugging over that usb-c. i also would make use of displayport over usb-c too (should it be available). however my 1 critical application is firewire. as backwards as it sounds, they really just dont make them like they used to anymore! and it really is worth having, despite sounding like such a niche obsolete thing. it really is now become very well supported over on linux. so i hope amd can support this going forwards.
4) bonus round: the extra ideas that came to me whilst writing this feedback.
4a) it would be cool to thing about using some of the spare room for pluggable 'modules', like on the framework laptop. or (if not) then maybe a recessed usb-a port for receivers.
4b) if you can please keep a revolving open door policy towards sharing technical information to help support open source developers for linux drivers. that does not mean you necessarily need to do anything specific that would burden extra drivers work or support costs. it just means a willing-ness to try and share what you can if needed / if requeted and there is somebody out there who wants to work on improvin the linux support. for those hardware i2c hardware apis that the control centre uses for all the features like the fan controls, the acpi, an the power or charging modes, etc. and whatever else might need help (for example backlit keyboard again tends to be via built in i2c interface). an hid device for trackpad gestures etc. it does not necessarily mean you can always help if those things are in turn provided by tongfang or other pre-existing closed source and proprietary agreements between vendors. as is often the case. it just depends whats possible under the specific circumstances and is just always a thing within the industry. but i guess my point or request here is to please try to remember to include it in conversations. or at least try to assess / determine what the impact or implications are for linux users / potential future linux support. i.e. being able to think ahead in that way might save a lot of extra work or headaches for some other linux person later on down the road. after everything has been fixed in hardware and products shipped etc. so maybe also trying to cultivate or develop a suitable advisory contact within the linux community could provide some value there. typically that is usually going to be one of a handful of existing small hardware vendors (probably like system76, but are otherwise located somewhere over here in europe). 'tux computer or something'. rings a bell. or perhaps others.
and that is all of my comprehensive feedback! i could have asked some other types of tecnical questions like... what is the freesync mux like? and is there any way you can ask them (samsung or lg) to start manufacturing 1600p wqhd+ oled panels? (since they instead are making oled as 1440p, which is so out of touch). but i think i have gone on long enough. and those other questions just didnt seem quite as important here.
hope you continue to make further progress working behind the scenes, we really appreciate it! and all of that hard work is really showing in these laptops. they are pretty amazing... and really seriously rivalling the asus or other big brands nowadays. so i look forwards to 3rd party reviews and comparisons really dont expect anything but praise here. hope the reviewers will see it too. i must say, it really made my day to see that trackpad and keyboard on that chassis. after so many months. and the mux switch you really worked hard on the g-sync, just a shame it wasnt certified in the end. still top marks for trying. really appreciated 👍
Can you make a gaming laptop without the stupid numpad? I find the keyboard is always off centered.
Hey Bob, have you tried disabling all of the E-Cores and testing at different power levels to see how the P-Cores behave? I'm thinking of giving that a try. I wonder if the P-Cores at a reduced wattage will boost high enough to provide a better gaming experience than the full cpu at a reduced wattage. Thinking of testing this. I notice that at 25W PL1 the performance for average fps is pretty solid, but I feel more dips and likely worse 1% lows.
Just a thought. Thanks for all of your hard work.
12th gen hasn’t disappointed at stock so I haven’t seen the need yet. Perhaps single core titles 🤷
Let me see if I can find something to exploit this.
@@BobOfAllTrades I'm very impressed with 12th gen overall, but I'm trying to dial in a good profile with a balance of temps/acoustics/performance on air. I know it performs surprisingly well with the wattage dialed in, but I'm wondering if giving P-Cores priority might keep those 1% lows a bit more steady.
Regardless the laptop is amazing. Everything I asked for as a successor to the Mech-17.
Hi bob, Why would eluktronics only offer intel for their lightweight max 15 and 17 when intel chips are known for running hot? Putting a hot cpu in a slim chassis doesn't seem like a good idea especially when they could have easily put the new ryzen 6000 chips. I was so excited for these lineups until I realized they completly left out amd in their light laptop lineups. Huge bummer, I waited an entire year for these and they're not there and now I don't know which laptop to buy.
16:10 at 17 inch. So is it like an 18 inch or like 17.3 inch stretched and minus the 0.3 inch. Cause that sounds like one heck of a display.
Bob, is it possible to manufacture a charger light weight 100g with 100w out put that can be used with any laptop with the help of small male adapter, do these laptops require bios update .
A lot of nice and powerful things about it, and maybe I misheard, but I noticed you didn't mention the price.
I looked at Eluktronics laptops a few months ago, but wow did they get crazy expensive. A 3060 laptop there starts at $1900, which is insanely high considering what other brands are offering these days!
I got something else just because of the $ alone since I saved about $1000 for an i7 12700H, 3070ti by buying another brand open-box, over Eluktronics with same exact specs...
Prices change all the time and I think I mentioned that at the end of the video. The 60 series market is hard to get into as a business.
So you bought a budget friendly open box laptop and you're asking Bob why the prices of the brand new high end laptops don't compete. Make it make sense please
@@itsjirM Uh no? New it costs $2000, so far from low end. I just got it for a low end price of $1425 since it was an open box.
My point is even new, the brand I bought was still cheaper by $400 than Eluktronics models with equivalent specs. It's not just one brand either with better deals.
A Legion 5 pro i7 12700H, 140W 3060 QHD 500 nit screen on eBay right now for $1400.
Same specs from Eluktronics? $1900. $500 difference is a big price gap for pretty much the same performance.
On this mech17 can completely disable the dGpu? Having it pulling 0w from the battery ?
Does this model have USB-C/Thunderbolt charging in addition to its regular charging methods?
Is it possible to replace the mechanical keyboard with a membrane keyboard in Mech-17? or a way to dampen the sound?
There is not
I heard XMG is making the Neo 15 only AMD. Since the Tongfang chassis for the Mech-15 is the same, will this be the case with the Eluktronics Mech-15?
We have a 12th gen MECH-15 available right now 👍
Will the company ever consider making budget friendly devices?
Why Eluktronics Not shipping their laptops to India. We all are big fan of Eluktronics.
Hey Bob, if both use the same screen (assumption), why does the amd one lack the gsync certification?
That’s the question I had too because my experience with a non-Gsync solution in the past was brought back with a bios update. That was on a 2017 Acer Predator. Apparently in the case of our MECH-17 laptops, there’s motherboard chips that are missing.
@@BobOfAllTrades do all laptops actually use the hardware module? I thought gsync was achieved via software.
@@niebuhr6197 I’ll need to investigate what the chip is for and what it is exactly.
I noticed they have these on Amazon for way way less than they are selling on their site. Are they being sold at that price because it's overstock and they are making room for the 40 series or are they refurbs? Like for example the 16gb 1tb 12900h 3070 ti or 6900hx are only $1499 and $1599 which is nearly a $1000 less than their site. The other models even all the way up to the 3080 ti are around $1000 less again at $2399. There have been 0 reviews or sales on them so I'm a bit hesitant but it is directly from Elucktronics.
The awesome sale ended on the site recently. Amazons sale is no slouch so grab it while it exists!
@@BobOfAllTrades Ah nice just what I needed to hear to pull the trigger, thank you sir.
why no comparison of 2 cpus on LPP?
Let's talk 40 series. Will Eluktronics have models right at launch? Would love to trade this Legion 7 in for a 40 series Prometheus or something in your lineup. Interesting on the VR, let me know about 13 Gen as all I do is VR with these laptops.
13th gen will support VR 100%.
@@BobOfAllTrades well I will be shopping Eluktronics after the launch date is confirmed at CES.
Is it impossible to tune the memory timings on Ryzen machines with either LPDDR or SO-DIMM? If so, that's pretty disappointing.
AMD hasn’t made those options on their mobile platform yet.
I have a alienware m17 r5 with a 6900hx & 3070ti. The 6900hx keeps throttling down on me to around 1700mhz then goes back up to higher speeds happens randomly while playing games. Even sometimes it throttles all the way doen to around 400mhz
That’s seems excessive. Hopefully Dell will produce a BIOS update to address that.
@@BobOfAllTrades maybe the 240watt psu is not enough ? I have always bought intel before, first time using AMD and that is probably the last time. AMD just does not feel as stable as Intel
@@DepecheModeDM intel is definitely more polished from a mobile platform. It’s definitely not a PSU issue. A larger brick doesn’t increase the power fed to the CPU/GPU. At best, it may charge faster but that always the case.
Based on comments, AW is an odd one when it comes to their performance laptops these days. They let it rip without the ability to tweak anything and their software is very slow.
hey bob! Recently gifted my friend my old titan and got myself a asus rog strix scar 17 special edition with i9 12950hx and a full powered rtx 3080ti. I have been following you since I started the laptop life and made it a point to learn how to undervolt. However it seems that this 12th gen intels sucks at undervolting. A friend told me that the chip was locked but I disagree as changing the core cache crashes the laptop. I looked at the bios and it also has the undervolting there but only up to -80 mv. I need help, do I need to unlock it on the bios first or what am I doing wrong. I cant seem to get decent cinebench scores and the laptop is really cooking...help please..
I know HX allows it but I don’t have any hands on time with 12th gen HX. UV tolerance became very tight with 11th gen, perhaps 12th is that way too.
@@BobOfAllTrades my main concern is sir is how it kinda messes me up now unlike the titan before. atm i have to have it disable turbo boost to keep it from cooking the hardware. armoury crate is also a weird experience for me. I think I should have it on high performance on armoury crate before undervolting. at this point i think i should first undervolting the gpu but to tell you the truth, it runs it pretty cool.
@@graelstream2353 Don’t let the GPU temps fool you. Pulling the heat/wattage from one part will help cool the other.
@@BobOfAllTrades currently tweaking msi afterburner. Been able to push the cpu undervolt without it crashing at - 25 mv. I think I messed up the first time because I undervolted the system at silent mode. Tweaked the battery setting into balance, pushed armory crate and had the system on performance then undervolted by increments of - 5 mv. I hope I can push this further. You weren't lying when the thermal performance of the titan can't be beat sir..
Do you know if you guys will ever do a trade in program? For your older to buy new ones?
In my opinion, In order for us to be successful at that as a business we would not be able to give the customer a decent amount of money back to make it worth their while.
The investment for testing and overall management is a hefty expense and the laptop market can be so volatile, it would be very easy to get upside down with inventory like that.
@@BobOfAllTrades Thank you for the fast response, Bob great video.
Hey, there's a sell going on in eluktronics. Which is better an amd or intel eluktronics?
A brief summary of the pros and con’s mentioned in the video.
Intel will provide equal or better performance depending on the software used including games and editing.
AMD had better battery life and can its USB-C is connected directly to the Nvidia GPU making this the right choice for VR.
@@BobOfAllTrades But I mean , if you had to use one for coding, which would you prefer?
@@glorymanheretosleep What does coding benefits from most?
@@BobOfAllTrades I'm not entirely sure. Anyways, there's a sale going on. So...intel it is according to you?
Wish you guys had the an i7-12700H option, the mandatory i9-12900H forces the price to be a bit steep at $2,600
Our cost difference was too small to matter on these.
Get the prometheus if you want that i7. With the mech 17 you are paying for the better screen, better keyboard, and better cooling.
So you've got all that empty space down by the battery. I know these are tongfang chassis and maybe that kind of ties your hands, but maybe it's time to get nutty with the air cooling. Something like the Alienware x17 system, or I think the msi system with 3 and 4 fans and extra heat sinks. I'm not a fan of the LPP. Just seems like a lot of liability, but more air and more heat sinks? Sign me up.
Do you know of any UK based resellers for this. Cant import as the import fees and tax are just ridiculous.
Thanks for an honest review, Bob! The only thing I don't understand though is why choosing 12900h instead of HK, if H CPU-s don't have voltage control anymore? If you're going for an i9, wouldn't it be better to go for a tunable version?
HK is useless if the BIOS is locked. All the voltage and multiplier tuning is "greyed out" on apps like XTU and throttlestop..... The only OEM that provides an "unlocked" BIOS is MSI. Otherwise you have to fuck with the BIOS yourself, ie: get a copy of it, find the hexadecimal lines that unlocks it etc, then flash it back in. It's extremely risky if you don't know what you're doing, and it's still a gigantic pain in the dick even if you've done it as every BIOS is different
nevermind, 6:50
@@anthonyzheng7274 he doesn't talk about undervolting at any point in the video
@@tabalugadragon3555 When he talks about the extra "tuning" features on the BIOS for the intel one, it is implied in that BIOS section you are able to undervolt. He also said there's no need to mess with the BIOS/undervolting since you can just tune PL1/PL2 in windows.
@@anthonyzheng7274 no he doesn't. I've seen users of the latest Eluctronics laptops being unable to use official software to undervolt on i7 12700h, because Intel locked it out. So no, unless Bob directly tells you that you can undervolt 12900h, you can't do that.
Also notice that when he goes in detail of tunability he only talks about power limits and *GPU* undervolting. If CPU uv is available on their laptop and he wants to advertise it, why not mention that? Everything so far points at H CPU-s of 12-th gen being completely locked, so I don't think Eluctronics broke that rule here.
P.S. Messing with power limits doesn't equal undervolting. As lowering voltage doesn't decrease performance, while lowering power limits does.
Are eluktronics laptops manufactured in china? i've sent an email asking about this but haven't received a response back
Yes, they are called Tongfang.
@@vinsin328 sad! was hoping for taiwan. Thanks for the info
On the topic of tuning, have you tested gaming performance with the e-cores disabled.
Also, have you guys tested ddr4 in gear 1 vs ddr5?
How can they test that my man if the main board only supports ddr5.
MUX switch on 13th gen?
Of course!
Any plans for future models in all of eluktronics laptops to have full sized numppads with full size enter column and correctly sized 0 key?
"It can be very obnoxious to people around you, so be mindful of it. Or don't, I mean the choice is yours, they're your friends, not mine." 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Don't see a reddit post of the review yet on r/eluktronics
Thanks for video, what a waste on this laptop no mini display port or type-c / dp, I got 2 monitors display port to type-c cable on my son laptop all 3 monitors all have gysnc enabled.
12800hx & 12900hx both support thunderbolt / type-c dp-dgpu
I would recommend AMD bcoz intel has overheat issue where it basically shorts out motherboard so your laptop is basically a E waste
Source: "trust me bro" 🤡
I like the idea of Eluktronics but the only thing stopping me from buying is the display options. 1440p 100% P3 8ms 500 nits (no overdrive) and I will drop my Razer quick and fast. I like Bob, the customization , the look of the laptops, the build quality ,Liquid propulsion , the way you guys take feedback but the screens man
What refresh rate would your ideal screen be?
@@ACE112ACE112 I don't play games where I need a lot of frames ( mostly competitive online fighting ... Latency is king in a those) 120 hz max but it seems like 165hz and 240hz are what's being manufactured now
@@CTMac21 better response times help with latency
The display market is interesting. Trying to source panels is like trying to call the Pope.
Razrs have had nothing but issues with thermals and QC. If you are willing to sacrifice a shit laptop for a bit of a better screen, enjoy.
Make one of these with a 4070ti for under 2k and I'll be first in line
Idk have you seen 4070 laptop performance? Ill be last in line. 🤣
@@Jtwizzle yeah I'll wait for the 4090s to be under 2k. Might be 2 years lol
This MAX-17 is incredible to use. Mark my words, I will save up and buy a new machine to replace it in the years to come! :D
does it have type c charging?
@@tabalugadragon3555 Everything I've looked up has come up nil, though specifically speaking, the model I have has the 10875H and RTX 2070. I haven't seen or heard anything that mentions Type-C charging, though I'm not sure why it couldn't.
Only real negative is battery life is not good on this unit. I get like... 3 hours of use with the screen at max brightness, and about 5 hours on 50% brightness, backlit keyboard off.
Here's the exact review done by Bob of the unit I possess: ruclips.net/video/XYrItQZJpXc/видео.html Only difference is that my unit doesn't have the Super version of the GPU. All other parts are equal.
@@tabalugadragon3555 no it does not have usb-c charging. Only can charge with the power brick or the power pass through with the LPP water cooler
@@itsjirM huge shame. I was considering max 17 before knowing this. A laptop is a mobile device so capability to charge it with a small, type c adapter is a must in my opinion. Life isn't just about gaming and productivity. I could spend a whole day in airport watching movies and checking e-mails.
your voice
you good? Your voice sounding a bit hoarse.
It’s the mic. I need to replace it. I haven’t used this stuff in a long time.
The question is why do you favor the intel unit to begin with? You could have included some of those features in the AMD one as well. Somehow XMG did it. Why would you play in hybrid? Freesync is only relevant to gaming. If people don't buy intel so be it, wtf is this shit? This company is supposed to be doing away with this discrimination crap. I don't get anything by AMD gaining money but I know the AMD would be the better system to buy especially with these features.
Why not bin memory in AMD even without bios? Will take longer but that is supposed to be the reason why you don't sell barebone.
Regardless of me liking these laptops or buying them or not, this company and xmg really market this shit like old car salesmen, scammy tactics all the way, you are only doing yourselves a disservice and pissing off potential customers.
The option for Gsync and MUX wasn’t available to us when we had these built. You can’t bin memory when there’s nothing you can adjust. When it’s stock, the performance is within Samsungs spec. When we adjust timings outside of the spec is when things are not equal. Similar to overclocking desktop CPUs and the voltage required to hit a certain frequency.
@@BobOfAllTrades I mean test different memory modules and push it with what you have available in the control center. Won't that tell you which one is better and stable if you also benchmark?
@@RetiredMillennial Unfortunately you cannot use faster memory on mobile unless the platform is built around it. The first thing your stick with is the voltage. You can’t exceed stock voltage. The second is AMD mobile doesn’t have hidden tools for these adjustments.
So what this equates to is that when you install faster memory the computer doesn’t boot.
@@BobOfAllTrades i am talking about silicon quality. won't the system push the sticks higher if they are better silicon?
@@RetiredMillennial Negative