Citizen Kane Is The Most Overrated Movie Of All Time - Richard Elfman
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What is your all time most overrated movie?
@@dex208 Yes indeed. I was very surprised by Mr Nobody - I had never heard about the film before watching it, and I thought it was an absolute masterpiece.
It's a tie between Black Panther and Blade Runner 2049. EDIT: I just remembered Skyfall; the most overrated Bond film since Goldfinger, and one of the most overrated films of any kind, ever.
Currently it's Aquaman. A piece of shit that's making billions.
@@rockhero2274 Yeah, but it was also pretty much butchered in every review... I don't think this is really about box office
Birdman for me was meh. In spite of the massive amount of the talent on display, both in front of the camera and behind it, I wasn't moved to care about what was happening. Honestly, I spent more time looking for where the cuts were rather than enjoying the story.
Citizen Kane is a lot easier to admire than to actually enjoy.
Very well said.
???? The inventiveness of it, along with the superb acting and writing is its joy.
It’s a great watch. I don’t know what you’re missing.
I feel so bad for people who got to watch such an inventive film yet did not enjoy it. The experience for me the first time I watched Citizen Kane was like getting fixes of highs Non-Stop.
There is only 1 way to watch Citizen Kane in the way it should be watched; what a shame that too few people have done it. You must FIRST watch at least 2 movies BACK TO BACK from the 1930s, then at least one movie from 1940, and at least one movie from 1941. A this must be back-to-back all the while trying to absorb how movies were produced back then (beyond just knowing how movies looked and sounded). I watched Citizen Kane in high school on my own, not in a class. I knew it was supposed to be great but did not know it was considered the best. I loved old movies so I had already seen some from the 1910s, & many from 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s. Imagine being well-versed in exactly what old movies were like, then comes Citizen Kane. Even haters must admit that if they had watched it that way, as if they watched it in the year 1941, they would undoubtedly admit it would be the most mind-blowing film experience. More than 50% of the stuff that made Citizen Kane amazing were stuff that I did not learn, but noticed on my own only because I was so familiar with old movies. It's kind of like imagine watching Terminator 2 for the very first time except multiply that by 20. I could not believe all the shots that I was seeing because I never saw shots remotely like that from EARLY 1940s.
Yes I know Welles was inspired by other directors. Yes I know half of the movie's brilliance is thanks to Tolles. None of this or any other info takes away from the notion that watching Citizen Kane in 1941 was like watching a movie beyond 20+ years later: an arthouse 1960s film.
And haters: the reason why this is the most important American film of all time is not due to only innovation. Any literary nerd would practically orgasm over the movie. More than half of all the shots, scene design, props, costumes... All enhance motifs, all of which support overall themes. Finally, it's a hella interesting tale. If you don't think it is, I do feel bad for you because I feel you are robbed of an amazing natural high... One that people experience when in awe of something extraordinary.
pretty sure Black Panther is the most overrated movie of all time
GoreQuill NachoVidal A movie that hasn’t even been out for 5 years can’t qualify. For all we know by next year BP will fizzle out. Citizen Kane is still praised.
@@LostUtopiaFilms Right in that Citizen Kane is a good movie. It is not overrated like the jackass in the video said. Black Panther is overrated now. It is more overrated than CK ever was or will be.
GoreQuill NachoVidal I wouldn’t even call it overrated, it’s just terrible
sounds like a bitter dude who was mad at black people for liking a movie
@@AllThingsKen
These marvel Disney movies are all trash regardless of the color of the protagonist. Black panther in particular got more praise than what those films usually get, that's why it's easy to consider it overrated.
For me The Big Lebowski is one of the most overrated films ever made.
@Randy White let me say this: it is a funny film. I laughed quite a bit. I thought the acting was fantastic and funny.
However , the movie lacks in structure. There are a lot of cool scenes and cool individual moments in the film don't get me wrong. But they don't hang together as a coherent whole and that just ruins the whole experience for me. Im not saying a movie has to have a plot to be good , there are directors who make brilliant movies that abandon narrative all together like Sergio Leone, Tarkovsky, Antonioni etc. However i feel that a movie has to have cohesiveness, it has to carry from one scene to another a free flowing story and i dont think Lebowski has this.
Despite all of its great moments and great acting i cant feel but dissappointed thinking that the Cohen brothers could have done better. Which is the same feeling i have with Tarantino sometimes.
There's proof in the movie that you're a better director/storyteller than this so just do it.
I hope that makes sense.
Dude
@Shipwreck Triggered?
@R YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!!!!!!!
@@Hannibal082 They couldn't have done better. Although I am sorry for your sake that you didn't like it because of its "lack of stucture", "The Big Lebowski" is the Coen Brothers' greatest film. Period.
I could NOT agree more. I've said these same exact things about Citizen Kane, but have never been able to summed it up so succinctly as Richard Elfman has here.
tried watching it recently. I made it through about half an hour, but it just didn't hook me in. Sure its a great technical achievement for the time, but the story just doesn't interest me at all.
Even the tech aspect was boring. Wizard of Oz was a much better tech achievement.
@@andya2665And the story was more engaging. Wizard of Oz is actually a great example of how you can be both innovative and have an engaging story at the same time.
@@andya2665How can you justify making such an idiotic comment?
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820Simple people tend to like simple hero journey sagas. It's why Hollywood churns out boring safe crap year after year. You're part of the problem.
@@spitshinetommy3721seriously.
God it sucks to watch citizen Kane and not feel blown away by it. What a waste of such an approachable joy in life.
agree...
i said to myself after seeing it. ok movie but i could not watch this again.
then i heard it was great & i said why? i must be missing something?
I think the reason Citizen Kane doesn’t do it for some people is because it’s difficult to sympathise with Kane. It’s a fantastic movie but if the audience can’t relate or sympathise with a main character they can’t be enthralled all the time.
Most likely it is the problem. That's why I dislike this movie. Kane was just a rich man with complicated, yet not unusual life for people like him. I simply didn't care about old rich fart and his childhood.
I would highly disagree with you on that. Raging Bull and Once Upon a time in America have like one of the most unlikeable characters in movie history, yet both are one of my all time favorite movie and are epic masterpieces. The thing with Citizen Kane is that its a great movie, but I just dont see what is so special that it is categorized as the greatest film ever made. It has a good story and good acting, but there wasnt anything special about it. I would really like to know why you feel its the greatest or one of the greatest films of all time.
@@dawsondjodvorj2408 it's mainly because of most of the things it does, be it cinematography, structure, or editing-wise, it does FIRST. It's a movie so far ahead of its time, that does not match with most films in the '40s, or the '50s, or even most of the '60s. It's just so innovative, but viewing it today many can overlook this aspect. Today it can just be viewed as a great film. It's all about its place in time
@@ezrahmolina yea I definitely agree with that. That's why without even a single doubt I would call it the most influential film ever made.
Greatest? I wouldn't call it.
its just boring
What annoys me about Citizen Kane defenders is they defend it by saying ‘it’s revolutionary and groundbreaking’. Uh, this is the 1940s. Sure it was amazing at the time but it’s hard to appreciate it 80 years later
It's more inventive with it's visuals than 99.9% of films that are out currently. It's STILL ahead of its time.
@Ks-101Cool story, Zoomer.
Coming from Richard Elfman, the director of Shrunken heads and a couple of music videos, that certainly means a lot....looking forward to his explanation why directors such as Bergman or Kurosawa are charlatans and how Kubrick's Odyssey is a boring and pointless movie.
This guy wrote George in the Jungle (97) for fucks sake. Guys like this shouldn't be giving any talks other than how to sneak yourself in the industry, let alone criticizing Citizen Kane. This is the kid in film school that talks shit about the best movies ever saying they are old and boring and Nolan is better.
tabundo001 he did not write George of the Jungle. He has an acting credit in that movie: “Bongo Drummer at Dance Studio.”
Casino?? Please!! I liked it better when it was called Goodfellas.
Shrunken Heads? . . . If you've not seen Forbidden Zone, then what are you even talking about. This guy's on another level, and unconventional as hell, but he knows film. He knows all the rules he breaks.
He has an opinion and he was asked. He never once claimed to be a great director, only an artist.
Greg Tolland (Cinematography for Citizen Kane) was his name (and had worked also for John Ford) and he said to Orson Welles, that he wanted to work with a complete amateur of filmmaking to achieve the most unusual results. Well the result was a film that is simply the movie we need to respect as film students. Even the Mona Lisa was once just an unfinished painting by Da Vinci.. Why is it famous now? Well, sit still and ask that question to yourself for a while. Is it really the best painting in the worlld? Perhaps not. BUT, you respect it!
Robert Ebert when writing about Citizen Kane wrote that Orson Welles listing his name last in the credits was an example of false modesty. (He did it for the same reason Kenneth Branagh's film came in second to the credits to "Henry V"---the cast was listed in alphabetical order.) However, an example of GENUINE modesty came from his showing Greg Tolland's DP credit on the same title card for his as director. Welles was genuinely grateful to Tolland for his help in directing his first feature.
I dont respect Citizen Kane. It is junk done by a drunk. I dont listen to the crowd , and judged it just as a fresh watch, and it sucked. I saw Repo Man and it sucked too. Siskel and Ebert always rated these two movies 1 and 2. I disagreed.
Orson Welles himself jokingly said that the cockatoo appearance near the end of the movie was to wake the audience up. Yes it was a technical achievement at the time and innovative, but saying it's the number 1 movie off all times is highly exaggerated, we had many more great (and better) movies since. Honestly, as a film editing student, I'm highly disappointed, it was flaunted to me as the best movie of all time so my expectation were high... but the film was awfully dull. I watched silent movies from around 1915 which were more entertaining. I respect for it's technical achievements, but yeah I agree, most overrated movie of all time indeed... even the director thought it was boring.
While I would agree that it isnt the best movie of all time, you have to give credit to the way that it contributed to how cinematography was approached during its time. I think we can agree that certain movies may have refined the techniques put in place since Citizen Kane, but it is certainly worthy of some of the praise it has received.
@@joshuagraham967 From a technical point, yeah, I agree.
I thought I was crazy for not enjoying the film a lot. I mostly enjoy it on a technical level.
It looks good visually but its boring
@deadvoguestar lol I just tried to watch that video yesterday. I stopped watching once he brought up The Sixth Sense tho, hence why I said "tried".
For years and years and years everyone said.. "Watch Citizen Kane the best movie ever made". So i watch it . Fabulously photographed by Greg Toland. Incredibly beautiful images but the entire film has about as much interest to me as an old man stammering across the screen left to right. I get that it was ground breaking but it is horribly over rated.
@Ks It is a film snob thing. If you're a film critic you have to suck citizen kanes dick. Yes the photography is ground breaking. The film is such a bore
@Ks I've seen Kane a few times. I can totally appreciate the technical wizardry of the Greg Toland's photography, it is amazing. There is no doubt about it. Give him an Academy Award. But the film is just a giant bore. I really couldn't care less about ground breaking photography when the film is as slow as molasses to watch. I get sick and tired of hearing film critics go on and on about it like if they don't say it is the very best film ever made somehow their "Cred" goes out the window. If i was Roger Ebert I would say....."yeah amazing photography. Ground breaking. It is as boring as watching paint dry"
I agree about CK being overrated, but I also think Birdman was overrated.
Damn true birdman was overrated!!
prezadent1 - ok saying things are overrated, is overrated lol
Birdman was great
I really don’t like how people seem to act that to them it being the greatest movie is a fact even though that is EXTREMELY subjective.
Dark Knight is simply overrated in my opinion.
It’s a great film, but not the best film of all time.
That’s a TALL order but I must say, it is a brilliant film and that’s coming from a 21 year old born in 2000
Citizen Kane is a wonderful movie for film students to study.
watched it as a student. did nothing for me
Parallax Peak 😂 I don't feel an urge to watch it a second time.
lol@@dreaminglifepodcast
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"for film students to study." Exactly, that sums it up right there! It was taunted to me as the greatest film of all time by my professors, when I finally watched, I was very disappointed. I respect the innovative techniques it brought to the table... but it is a very dull tale. I watched silent movies from around 1915 which were more entertaining. Even Orson Welles jokingly said the Cockatoo was to wake the audience.
Right now my top 10 movies would be:
It's A Wonderful Life
Groundhog Day
The Lord of the Rings (Full trilogy)
The Empire Strikes Back
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Dark Knight
Good Will Hunting
Dead Poets Society
La La Land
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
I do think Citizen Kane is overrated, but I just watched it a few weeks ago and it's still very very good.
My most overrated film, although it's a different kind of overrated, would be 300. I know people love it but the whole speed up slow down gimmick never did anything for me.
Overrated is not a movie that is enjoyed by many, overrated is used to describe films which get outstanding critical review, is played and/or wins awards in festivals, and is studied in film schools. There's no one who considers 300 more than a popcorn flick.
@@navicoolya A movie being overrated can mean many things, for the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes the movie has an 89% rating which to me makes it extremely overrated. Sure critics didn't like it much, but when I tell people in real life how much I disliked it a lot of them say it's one of their favorite movies.
@@sebaba001 Updated my comment to note it is a different kind of overrated, since I DO think it's overrated just more by the average person instead of critics.
La Haine
Whiplash
Mud
Take Shelter
Pan's Labyrinth
LOTR (Fellowship of the Ring)
Enemy
Blue Ruin
The Motorcycle Diaries
Alien
few of mine here, Im sure youve seen some of them!
Hahaha all great movie of all time,you said overrated?fck off
To say anything is "the greatest of all time" is a heavy tag to carry but to say that Citizen Kane is overrated is just plain ridiculous. Elfman's "simple test" on whether you turn a film off is nonsense. If you finish a silly film like "Speed Racer" does the fact that you didn't turn it off make it greater or more entertaining than Kane? Of course not. Welles took static three camera moviemaking and completely revinvented the medium, elevating film as art. The backstory of its' creation to the point an infuriated Hearst wanted to buy and burn the negatives only adds to its' intrigue. And yes, the story does hold your interest as told through multiple character perspectives. Mr Bernstein's "girl with the white parasol" scene is a perfect example, a moment so important yet so subtle that today's audience just won't "get it". Is Kane entertaining? That's in the eye of the beholder. Modern day audiences may be bored with an extended psychoanalysis of a man's life, may not appreciate black and white photography or fractured editing, no car chases, no shootouts, there's very little that's relevant to today's moviegoing experience. And that's exactly what makes Kane so entertaining, how it completely takes you away to a different world that no longer exists. No amount of CGI can bring that back. Elfman seems to have trouble remembering what he likes, no mention of Kurosawa, Bunuel, Altman etc while true cinephiles have zero problem extolling Kane's greatness.
I agree about Citizen Kane. It couldn't get past the first 15 minutes.
Thank you, so happy to see other people speak up with how incredibly overrated that movie is. Probably just a bunch of “movie hipsters” who forced themselves to watch the entire thing so they can let everyone know they “have good taste in movies”.
I have seen Citizen Kane a few times and I just don't get the hype.
The internet is full of essays and op-eds about how it was pioneering, how it utilized film techniques and so on - so I would concede it was an important film
But is that really enough to make it the GREATEST film ever? Is it really that entertaining or inspiring or moving?
To me the accolade of greatest film needs to MOVE audiences. Citizen Kane is great for film studios but there is no way it grips emotions the way Titanic does
Frankly I found it a bit dull. I am not saying it is a bad film but I struggle to see how it can be regarded the greatest.
Titanic? Come on… you just lost all credibility
@@dailytimes6787 what’s wrong with Titanic?
@@dailytimes6787 as cheesy as Titanic is, it’s pure cinema. It’s in the zeitgeist
Jesus Christ. You really called Titanic more moving than Citizen Kane? This comment has to be a joke or satire. I fucking hope so
@@dailytimes6787Citizen Kane doesn't move this person the way Titanic, an amazing movie yet with the worst script ever within the popular, award-nominations circles, would.
It's no wonder this person doesn't get the hype of Citizen Kane.
I love the film, one of my favorites, for decades. When I was in the hospital for 2 days I watched it 5 times in a row. I agree with Moon Haven: It is difficult to bond with an unsympathetic lead character. We sort of end up watching it held at arm's length rather than getting all that engrossed in it. But it's still fascinating to watch.
It has another issue I don't seem to ever hear mentioned, which is a gigantic, glaring plothole: The first scene is Kane dying and saying his last word, 'Rosebud', and the story then seems to go to journalists who want to solve the mystery of why he said that word, which is revealed in the climax, though no one ever figures it out, other than the audience. So the entire story is primarily a giant flashback mystery.
That's all pretty cool, but the problem is no one ever heard him say it. He was alone when he died. As he dies and drops the snow globe (?), he's in the room by himself. An attendant then comes in the room, but after he says the word. So logistically, the plot of 'solving the mystery' of why he said what he said makes zero sense since no one heard him say it other than to those sitting in the theater eating their popcorn.
That's the thing about the fictive dream-viewers and readers swept up in the fictive dream are focused only on what is directly in front of them. If two things, even in successive scenes, don't add up, it's very difficult for them to put 2 and 2 together and realize that they don't actually add up. There are plot holes everywhere that we never even notice.
But all this does is prove that no art is ever perfect, and that imperfections can be transcended by other aspects of brilliance in the same artistic expression. IOW, I cut Welles a break on this, bc he did everything else so brilliantly.
The Butler Raymond heard it. He tells the reporter as much. It isn’t a plot hole provided you pay attention.
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That's the entire opening scene. The death scene. Kane is alone when he dies. And that video of the opening scene in the movie is iron-clad proof. Read it and weep.
Provided you pay attention. Apparently, that is just not your metiér.
If there were a butler in attendance, he would have appeared in the scene, bc a genius filmmaker would never wittingly make the mistake of not having a character in the scene that the audience is supposed to imagine is in the scene. Audiences and readers are far too savvy to fall for that, and likely were as far back as the premiere date in 1941.
But no one was in the room except Kane, according to that video of the actual scene. Kane was in the scene alone. He died alone. No one could possibly have heard him say a thing, including a butler. And butlers don't willingly broadcast information about their employers, especially to the media.
That would be plot manipulation, which is one more thing that genius filmmakers don't ever do, unless backed into a corner by a plothole that's already been shot. It also seems unlikely that a butler would be quietly at the bedside of a dying employer in the middle of the night, especially one who treated 'the help' the way that Kane did. So none of that really adds up.
Having a character say something later to compensate for the plothole, which sounds to every writer as an obvious 'oops' moment, where the writer (or director) realizes after the fact (after the scene is shot) that there was indeed a glaring plothole in the story, is a pretty weak way to compensate. It's possible that was only added to clumsily cover up the plothole. But nothing in CK is clumsy.
And there would have been an obvious much-easier way to cover the plothole, which would be to have the nurse open the door to Kane's bedroom seconds before he died instead of seconds after. She then could have heard him say it, and all that would have taken would be a simple re-edit to the existing film takes of that scene. It's a separate shot. IOW, Welles and crew had plenty of time to think about that before the movie was released. They missed their shot.
But maybe it was decided that this would harm the flow of the scene. Maybe Welles was willing to trade allowing the plothole in order to get the scene to flow the way he wanted it to.
Regardless, it's still a glaring pothole. A glaring plothole in an otherwise truly brilliant scene. And it's only glaring once you notice it, which no one ever seems to.
Welles did get away with it, and filmmakers get away with that all the time. It's ubiquitous. The reason? Again, it's that viewers are pulled into the fictive dream, which is an altered state not that different from hypnotism. Being focused on what's going on right in front of them, they rarely are putting two and two together to connect events in non-contiguous scenes or even contiguous scenes.
Story creators also get pulled into that same fictive dream during creation and production. This is why movie crews usually include three people whose only job is to constantly be on the lookout for continuity errors.
I don't really look at Kane as being the protagonist. No doubt, he's the lead role in the film, but in the story, Kane is dead.
The protagonist is the news reporter who is tasked with figuring out the meaning of his last words. The news reporter is supposed to be you. If you don't care from the start what his last words means, you definitely will not care by the time you get to end. Because, he's a shit person.
It also doesn't matter who heard it. It had become public information and sort of a mystery. Who cares who was in the room with him, when 90% of the scene is a close up of Kane's mustache and of the snow globe anyways?
By the end of the story, the news reporter really couldn't care less about the meaning of the words because, in my opinion, he doesn't think Kane was worthy of the attention he was getting. Kane isn't Luke Skywaker, he's not a hero. He's more like Hamlet. It is a tragedy after all. Not every movie lead has to be a hero. Sometimes we need some shit people to show us what "legacy" we can leave behind after we are gone. A bunch of people who hate you, and a giant pile of shit people have to "clean up".
This movie is ass. I was wearing headphones and The random fucking cockatoo ear rape pissed me off.
I guess I've seen Citizen Kane about 20 times, and it's not only got better each time but also reveals more sides to itself. It expects a lot from the viewer, unlike, say, The Godfather, which is a great film but does pretty much all the work for you.
I took a film class where the professor had 25 films in reverse order, Rope, Giant, Potemkin... the suspense was incredible. #1 was Citizen Kane. I thought before seeing this, I need someone to explain why and how they see it. I think at the time it must have just floored people, the intrigue of Rosebud, the significance, the realistic connection to Hearst... I went back recently eyes wide open thinking, I must have missed something. The shots are remarkable, remarkable. (Not Barry Lyndon remarkable, but beautiful).... but I wonder how much of it is the plain fact that its' kindof imbedded as #1. Like in the day Stairway to Heaven was everyone's #1 song of all-time in the 80s, 90s... Just is cemented up there.
It really didn't strike too many people as great upon release. It got okay reviews and then it vanished. In the late 50's when Welles did Touch of Evil he had a brief little comeback there, and that was when the reputation of CK began to climb and climb. As time went by people saw how influential it was. it's like the old saw about the Velvet Underground: hardly anybody bought the LP, but everybody that did started a band. So many directors considered geniuses gave so much credit to this movie, and stole things from it.
"Citizen Kane" has been cemented as #1 for a long time, but to me it seems that movie critics are more likely to list "The Godfather" as #1. Of the two films, I think "Kane" is better than "Godfather."
Stairway to Heaven was a copy, fine by the biggest plagiarists in rock, and Citizen Kane is crap.
@@eddiejc1 the movie was extremely innovative at the time. With that being said the plot is as bland and uninteresting as they come. Most overrated piece of media ever created
@@andya2665agree fully
Gregg Toland was the DP on Citizen Kane, and it's not overrated. Birdman was good but no one will be talking about it in 10 years, let alone in 80 years.
@Paul 87 Actually people who have an appreciation for cinema. Not just 90 year old men. If there are any.
@Paul 87 actually we talk about it right now and I assume we are not 90 year olds.
My film class we talks about birdman.So your wrong
do i think citizen kane is the greatest movie ever made? no, but in my opinion it is great, i can watch it over and over without getting bored, i do like the story of citizen kane. (and i know this is a typical thing to say, but the camera work too) but i don't think it's overrated. at least in my opinion, but i do respect if you think the movie is boring/overrated.
District 9 is the best movie I've ever seen.
If you're suffering from insomnia, go watch citizen kane.
Hitchcock's Shadow of a Doubt and Rebecca were both better than Psycho. However, peoples opinions about what movies are best, is always arbitrary.
Citizen kane sucks. Every movie he named crushes kane. Kane is so boring. Unless you are studying the history of cinematography or film shots but from a entertainment its horseshit. Kane isn't even top 100
I have a long way to go before I feel comfortable with my own ratings of film, but Elfman makes a good point here. I always wondered why I failed to connect with Citizen Kane after I managed to see it in its entirety once . . Yet I definitely notice that only a few films keep me watching. I can, here on YT, pause the movie and leave it for later, but with only a few I can't wait to get back and resume. Something is due a film that keeps you watching like this. For sure, one thing is: you don't know what's going to happen. With far too many modern movies, I quit simply because I feel I know where it's going . . On the other hand, some films have great technique, such as the cinematography, and that doesn't necessarily keep you watching right now but the film is still worthy . . Even bad films usually have at least a scene that I think is done well, or a standout acting performance, or funny lines that you remember, et cetera. I feel bad down-thumbing a film after all the hard work people did to make it.
I think what makes Kane so great is that every scene in the movie is sculpted like a Greek statue.
People want to pick apart the story or claim that it's not that interesting, after they blink for the first time in 2 hours.
From a audio/visual standpoint, the movie is over 80 years old and it still is as visually stunning as movies made today. The practical effects are still remarkable by today's standards. The sound was cutting edge for its time, but there aren't many movies mixed as well as that was. There are scenes where actors are talking over eachother, but its still crystal clear. The sound almost has the same quality the deep focus has in the cinematography. Something most directors still get wrong in today's movies.
Oh yea, the screenplay wasn't half bad either. I think it won an award or something. The story itself is something that is still relevant to this day, which is something a lot of movies of that era struggle with *cough cough* Gone with the Wind, I see you over there hiding.
He has O' Brother Where Art though in his list. I can't take him seriously on Citizen Kane.
Most overrated movie? The Godfather. Easily.
Certainly one of the most overplayed
yeah true O' Brother is pretty bad. Godfather is still a great film today though, very watchable. But, I think 2 is certainly the better film.
Citizen kane was oay 3/10 I didn't nod off at least
I saw Citizen Kane for the first time when I was a teenager. Didn't understand why everyone called it the best movie ever made. It wasn't until later on when I saw it again thanks to one of my college instructors, who had pointed out why the movie was considered an innovative classic, that I appreciated it more. Looking at Richard Elfman's filmography it's obvious he's not a cinefile like Scorsese or Tarantino. A wasted interview. Not to mention he didn't know who Greg Toland was and this idiot is a few decades older than some of us.
@@dex208 You seem to just go on a tangent. I only pointed out one part of this interview because Franklin didn't know something that everyone else knows about which just shows he's giving an opinion without knowing or understanding the reasons why it stands the test of time.
Of course there are other elements that make a movie great. Not just the technical aspects of CK. The performances were brilliant and I don't feel the cinematography, production design, makeup or anything else takes away from the story or acting.
Most filmmakers focus on the performances and don't realize that the technical aspects could add to the acting. And most filmmakers focus on the technical without understanding the acting part. Citizen Kane I feel balances this out. Focusing on the story and Welles is dealing with an aspect of human nature that is still timely. He just realizes you can use all the toys and paint brushes to tell it in more than one way.
@@nickb9718 stop using drugs
@@nickb9718 I have similar tastes. The difference is that you use drugs and plugs. Enough said.
Your college instructors are jacked
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@@dex208 Iagree lol, "I thought it was terrible but then my college instructor spoon fed me on why it was great." Lol watch the movie, form an opinion, then read up on it if you like. But, if I watch a movie and I think it's terrible, I'm not changing my opinion because someone says "but look at these SHOTS!" Case and point: "Only God Forgives" or "Enemy."
if Citizen Kane is so amazing how come most people only ever watch it once,
'Cause it's 2 hours!!! People got sh*t to do!!!
Keaton was AMAZING as Vulture in Spiderman Home Coming. Guys like Keaton, Harrison Ford, Denzel, Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise... Living legends.
I couldn't get past the first ten minutes of CK.
Probably should focus on the last 10
@@rockhero2274 its just a boring as hell movie
The thing is.. the first 10 minutes we get the newsreel-version (like in news of today when an important person has died) and also the birth of mockumentries (like the Spinal Tap-movie), then we get the investigations of a journalist version of the story asking around... telling the story from different perpectives depending who is talking… and only at the end the final truth.. only revealed for the spectators. I DO understand it's a lot to grasp for the Avengers-generation, but again.. maybe this probably wasn't made for them.
Jouni Kytösaari
Avengers is fucking trash
@@ZoolGatekeeper ok boomer
It's a decent film but the massive Rosebud plot hole is too big to ignore and give it GOAT status.
It’s a good test, and I’m not able to turn off Citizen Kane. I laughed, I cried.
I think it’s pretty ridiculous to pretend that in 80 years of human history we haven’t made a single movie better than Citizen Kane.
Sure but that doesn’t mean it isn’t an incredible achievement that still holds up to modern technological standards
My top 10 this week, it frequently changes depending on my mood. The only one that always stays the same is #1.Robocop (1987) 2.Pulp Fiction 3.The Dark Knight 4.Conan The Barbarian (1982) 5.Blade 6.Reservoir Dogs 7.The Matrix (1&2) 8.Ghostbusters (1984) 9.The Shining 10(joint).The Terminator. Aliens. Predator. The Crow. Apocalypse Now. The Godfather (1&2). I can't decide between all #10s, so like them all equally. EDIT: I can't believe I forgot to include Jaws, The Blues Brothers and Sin City in there somewhere.
"frequently changes depending on my mood" 🤣I think you got something there . . I loved the first Robocop, always felt it was underrated.
How strange. I share most of his top-something preferences. But I find Citizen Kane unturnoffable.
Agreed. I also share his love for the films that he mentioned, but "Citizen Kane" is in a class all by itself. "Citizen Kane" is cinematic equivalent of heaven.
Exactly! A lot of us sometimes just intend to watch News on the March, but when the newsreel ends we literally cannot turn it off. I always stay tuned for the whole damn thing.
Most importantly, it is always a hell of a fun ride to watch.
And each time, I noticed something new. The hype is there for a reason. I truly believe it just takes time for people to notice everything that makes the story outstanding.
Citizen Kane is 1940s equivalent of The Phantom Menace. Visually stunning but a weak story and god awful acting.
To say Citizen Kane is overrated is (in my opinion) a very dumb thing to say. The movie tackles the life of a man from start to finish in a unique way, which many directors then or now would have used. The life Kane lives is complex and hard to understand from the outsiders' point of view as we can watch the reporter try to piece together his life, but fails in the end. We can piece things together as we go but what makes it great is that the character is realistic. He clearly has a hole in his heart from his childhood without love and he tries to fill that hole with money but he really just wants someone to love him. We see this with his two wives and in the end, we see he cannot (like people in real life who have childhood trauma) express the right amount of love to them. This is a long comment but this is why I believe calling Citizen Kane overrated is a very dumb and ignorant thing to say to a movie which is what many to watch to find how to create a story around a compelling and realistic character.
I would also like to state that there are more reasons this movie is a masterpiece, but that would just be too long
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I totally understand why contemporary audiences would conclude that a movie like Citizen Kane was overrated. But in analyzing Kane, contemporary critics are worth their salt only if mindful of context, especially the social and political climate and, above all, the movie industry up to and including Kane.
It's perfectly fine to watch Citizen Kane and come away feeling that it didn't resonate with your 21st Century aesthetic and sensibility. But that's all you get to feel. Kane changed the way movies were made. Indeed, if it weren't for a handful of groundbreaking films produced in the few years on either side of Kane, today's industry would look very different.
There were plenty of history making movies done before CK.
If innovation is all that counts, then Birth of a Nation would have to be considered even greater than Citizen Kane. The Lumiere brothers films even more so. Just because you change the way things are done doesn’t mean you are entitled to be considered the best now and forever. Kane may be a technological marvel, but its story is not even as compelling as its contemporaries. Double Indemnity was a better noir-style tragedy. Wizard of Oz was both an innovative film and had a compelling, easy-to-engage-with plot.
Citizen Kane is never a film that you rewatch. You rewatch Wizard of Oz a million times. You watch Casablanca a million times. You watch Some Like It Hot a million times. You watch Rear Window a million times. But Citizen Kane is just not a film that pulls people back to it. You appreciate it for what it was and what it did for the industry. But you can’t love it, especially if you’re not a professional critic or film analyst.
That's very generalising, I love Citizen Kane. I've seen it many times, just like the other movies you mentioned( although my fav Hitchcock is Rope) I am in no way a critic lol I love E.T, Back to the future, Deadpool, Blues Brothers, Jaws, Die Hard etc etc. It's not a fact that Citizen Kane is overrated, it's just an opinion. As I said I love it. Martin Scorsese himself actually said he has seen it numerous times.
Remember "overrated" doesn't necessarily mean "bad." And I don't believe anyone has ever claimed it was UNDERrated!
Overrated: I think Raging Bull is across the full length of the film. Parts are incredible. But, for me Forest Gump. One of the best first watch films. And, an incredible story, but it's a bit overinflated.
Forest Gump is awful. Raging Bull and Citizen Kane are masterpieces.
@Randy White that was the point I was making.. 100% Agree, the question was about Citizen Kane
Raging Bull is so overrated. Aside from being well shot and edited and the star performance from De Niro. The script was fucking awful, awful I say.
@Randy White The Script was bad. I was shocked when I re-watched it how flawed the movie was because of the script.
@Randy White The academy thought so too. Nominated the film for many awards but not the script. I wonder why that was
I just don't connect with anyone in the movie so it always leaves me bored.
Very bright like Danny…
Well, Citizen Kane is most certainly the most overrated movie of all time, but this video does absolutely nothing to support that claim.
"What did you think of Birdman?" -"I like Michael Keaton, I liked him in Batman." Thanks for that valuable insight.
I have no idea who this guy is (not that it matters; if your arguments are sound, it's irrelevant if you're an Acadamy award winning director or a mail man), but it comes across as if he doesn't know the first thing about movies.
Good video, and I can agree with a lot of this...
AND I understand a fairly substantial amount of my opinion is likely to be dubbed unpopular or slip into the anal crevasse of forgotten (forbidden?) history... (lolz)
"Citizen Kane" was a good movie, just not quite so good as publicly acclaimed, and thus, over-rated. I get that it's iconic (among a very short list) in technical excellence and daring cinematography innovations. It just doesn't make the movie great.
Similarly, I find myself suspicious of anything that's caught up in the "Bandwagon of stuff getting or already done to death" purely for some political or societal angle of commentary or angst. (see "Black Panther" and "Wonder Woman" AND "Ghostbusters") That kind of practice CAN be alright in satirical comedy or an overt horror (even a noire sense) presentation IF it's done well. It's practically impossible for it to be done well outside of those.
"Ghostbusters" is a prime example of just being TOO EXCITED about the politics involved to present decent comedy, and since comedy is the cheapest and easiest thing to put on screen... Frankly, it's cringeworthy for everyone involved.
SOME movies get to be part of Cinematic Greatness simply because they're fun to watch. They don't have to "mean" anything, to give "meaning" to anything, or force some weird introspection about anything. They're just fun to watch, and like the guilty pleasures they are, we (audience) will happily binge on fat-saturated potatoe products and semi-plastic cheese-flavored goop-dips in our closets at the witching hour to watch them... again. We might well hate ourselves in the morning, when every other cinephiliac snob in the office is carrying on about the atrocious practices of whoever put those works into public view in the first (let alone the latest) time, but... we can hate ourselves silently.
SO I propose, rather than scrutinize what anyone has in their personal "top X" numbers of great movies lists... we try swapping around movies that should be watched at some point. Possibly some certain movies that should be watched early on in our growing appreciation for the craft and the business, not just for the purposes of seeing great movies, nor JUST for putting great movies into a context historically, but to find some considerable appreciation for what's been done already, how much of it's done to death by now, and why so many in the audience or critics' boxes find such fault with some of the material hitting silver-screens recently...
"Black Panther" wasn't horrible... It just struggles to avoid smacking too richly of "It's about time there was a super who wasn't {existential demographic demon}"... "Ghostbusters" wasn't the worst remake in history... It was simply WAY over-hyped for the faltering of humor in timing... the WAY too obvious retro-fit of "instead of four guys, four girls"... like that's NOT sexist... AND for the record, committing to outright feuds with fans is NOT a good marketing strategy... ever. "Wonder Woman" is a tough sell... Mostly because it was the obvious counterpart to "Superman" way WAY back when the first issue came out in comic-book form. I can't fault the movie or anyone involved for that, since it is franchise material... BUT there's a reason it's going to struggle, no matter how good it gets written or produced. ;o)
"The legend of 1900" the most naive and overrated movie ever. If I were allowed to burn only one movie, that will be the one. Sorry)
Absolutely agreed. Not even Tim Roth can save that film
I agree Citizen Kane is overrated. Taxi Driver is another very overrated movie.
Silly second part to this comment. Taxi Driver has more style in 5 minutes than most movies do in their entirety.
I completely agree about Citizen Kane being overrated, yes it's technically a great film but so is The Wizard of Oz, how any one can sit through them and enjoy, is beyond me,
The moment you said Oz wasn't enjoyable was the exact moment I became unable to take you seriously.
I hate musicals but I quite enjoy Wizard of Oz. It is a beautiful story if you dig for it. Believe in yourself. Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man that he didn't already have.
It’s good. But the original King Kong is the best.
Most overrated movies are Inception, Interstellar and most things Nolan.
I liked interstellar
I thought Inception was one of the dumbest films I have ever seen. I was seriously like.. Sorry the Emperor has no pants this is DUMB!!. Its a dream.. but no it is a dream WITHIN a dream and it is not this guys dream it is the OTHER guys DREAM. No sorry it is just DUMB!!!. What happens when you give a hot shot director a blank cheque.
@@gohithsrivatsa4746 Inception was fucking retarded. Bloated.. Overblown. its a dream!! but no its not really a dream it is this other guys reality. No wait!! it is not his reality it is this other guys dream and he's imagining this other guys dream. I'd hate to be in the concept meeting for that film trying to explain what the fuck is going on.
@Felipe Gomes I nearly got a psychology degree. I agree it is a beautiful looking film but I find it extremely dull. I've never changed my feeling on that. Casablanca is a beautiful looking film and i find that story far more emotionally satisfying.
@Felipe Gomes Its an epic story of the rise and fall and beautifully photographed. But the characters are boring and unrelatable. Like spending a day with john paul Getty. I've seen this film a few times and ever time I say the same thing. This supposed to be the greatest movie ever made???
There's nothing worse than a dude like this simplifying movies to math equations like "Beginning, Middle, End = Good. Cuts of Dancing? = Bad. Obviously."
Casino is one of the best films ever made.
The Godfather, Local Hero, Age of Adaline, The Searchers, The Party, Young Frankenstein, Unforgiven, Eyes Wide Shut, A Face in the Crowd, Barbershop, Hud, Second Hand Lions... all great movies, all better than Citizen Kane.
Once upon a time in the west is. not ck
You cannot be serious!
Well said. I agree. Citizen Kane was boring for me.
it has to be forbidden zone great movie
There is a contemporary alleged masterpiece I'd like to nominate - Tree of Life by Terrence Malick.
Sometimes it's just impossible to understand why a movie gets the praise it does.
Yes!!! 40% of the audience hated it. But I was completely swept away.
@@indiefilmandmusic You thought it was a great film?
Oh....I missed "alleged". I guess you're in the 40%. No offence but I loved it. My wife hated it. My best friend wanted her money back 20 minutes in! Each to his own.
@@indiefilmandmusic No, of course no offense, to each their own (plus I'm in the minority after all :)
I couldn't help the feeling that I was mostly watching movie about a very distinguished director with unlimited resources trying his utmost to show everybody how masterful he is at filmmaking, by tackling a larger-than life subject by making a mammoth production about life, death, the human condition and everything in between... but where in that massive collage of material was the movie?
Hi@@epictetus9221 . I totally understand why some people don't get the movie. I'm not a Mallick fan boy at all. In fact, I find the movie has lots of flaws. The ending sucked, and it was quite pretentious at times. But there are moments that hit me like a sledgehammer, such as the parents dealing with their sons death. And of course the cinematography was a story unto itself. Where was the movie? I don't know. I just think he was trying to express the inexpressible. He didn't quite get there, but I did admire him for reaching so high.
I agree with this man
Why?
Roger Ebert should have seen this.
That's what I always say. Never gonna live up to classics like Aliens, Clowns & Geeks.
Citizen Kane is the greatest movie of all-time. Deal with it.
Im sorry but his reasoning for not liking citizen kane is not good enough. Hes basically saying its boring im sorry but you need a better reason for not liking it than that
Kane is completely boring!!! I am a photographer and I can completely appreciate Greg Toland's photography in the film. Stunning gorgeous images. It is a clinic in black and white photography. But the film itself is FUCKING BORING!!!. I get sick of listening to film geeks go on and on about it. I think it is one of those films that all of the Hollywood establishment love to love just because it was made in 1939. I have watched it 2 or 3 times. Every time It ends i say.. "Big Deal!!! What a BORE!!! Like watching an old man stammer across the screen from left to right.
@@roquefortfiles 1941 is when it came out, a year before Casablanca - a film where almost every scene is iconic and quotable; and a year after Rebecca, a film with a significantly better and more impactful twist... and both are just much more entertaining all around - IMO.
@@lindenstromberg6859 Seen it. Beautifully photographed. A total bore. Never changed my mind on that. Horrifyingly dull film
Being boring is a good enough reason for me. CK sucked.
You can have whatever reason you like for not enjoying something. If it's an absurd take, you debate the person if you like. Film is art, but it is also entertainment. I'm not sitting through something that doesn't entice me to keep watching.
Unsubscribed after this shit interview. You don't like CK but you talk about Black Panther..
CK is about how it revolutionised the industry not just about story or actors. Look how films, sorry, movies looked before and after CK and maybe you will understand why it is considered to be one of the greatest.
I agree, Citizen Kane is overrated, but it's not the most overrated of all time. Save that for movies like Dark Knight, Endgame, ET and Tootsie.
Hitchcock was a great director period. All this talk about repressed this and that is nonsense.
Wonder Woman?!?!?
Absolutely right this was good but it wasn’t a masterpiece like everyone says
I think a lot of people rebel against the notion of something that is universally acclaimed as the best.
I mean, how do measure what is 'best' in art?
Kane is the finest film I have ever seen.
Welles' performance is monumental, really the most underrated thing in that film.
It's a wonderful mystery, that asks the question of what stuff is a man really made of?
And the end of it all, who was we?
That makes for a compelling story.
The problem with Kane is that it feels like youre watching a master class in film making, rather than a story that moves you.
It feels bloodless, and that's why so many people call it boring.
You don't have to root for the main character in order to like a film, but he has to make you feel something.
Welles plays Kane as an enigma, rather than as a complex, or simple individual.
You can't wrap your arms around him.
The film doesn't make you feel a lot of emotion.
People see films to be touched in some manner.
I felt for Kane. His sadness is palpable, and he was searching for something that was already behind him his whole life, like Gatsby.
But, I can definitely understand why people have negative feelings about it.
However, no one can question its wall to wall brilliance.
Photography, acting, script, direction were all astounding.
It's nowhere near my favorite film, but it's the best overall production I've ever seen.
I agree, only watched it all the way through once. Same with 2001, really didn’t take to it.
I just turned you off , easy
Many years ago, I saw "Citizen Kane" at the old Greenbelt Theatre. I was sipping some soda, and I realized I had to go to the bathroom, so I kept waiting for a spot for me to get up and leave. God help me, I couldn't pick a spot! I can't remember what I did because I don't think I could hold my bladder for two hours, but it was a tough call! So although I'm not necessarily saying that "Citizen Kane" is the Greatest Film Of All Time, I can understand why a lot of other people would consider it.
Personally, I think "The Godfather" is a bit overrated----only in that there is a growing number of film buffs who consider THAT film the greatest of all time. It's good, but "The Godfather" can't hold a candle to the first "Star Wars" movie.
It's subjective, some people think Raising Arizona is a great movie.
I agree Citizen Kane is over rated.
I thought I was the only one........
this dude is that film student that complains about old movies and doesnt study shit at all
Deadpool was overated to me
Agreed
The most overrated movies ever? Inception, Wolf of Wall St, Endgame, Knives out, Infinity war and Glass Onion.
Birdman or (The unexpected Virtue of ignorance) was good....after 30 mins.
I think progress and society is overrated. We should live under the rock as insects.
Wrong.
It's a question of taste but Citizen Kane is the greatest film ever.
Right,It's wrong
Overrated movie? -any Tarantino film- just pick one.
12 best..
LONESOME DOVE
FOREST GUMP
CHRISTMAS STORY
OUTLAW JOSEY WALES
THE SEARCHERS
TRUE GRIT (not the turd that was made in 2010, but the real one)
NEVER CRY WOLF
MR MOM
SHANE
JEREMIAH JOHNSON
EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
CAPTAIN RON
This out of everything I have read on the internet over all these years, is by FAR the worst thing I've ever seen. Now I gotta go to my doctor, I think you gave me cancer.
jeremiah banger
a randomly large amount of people in my life champion Captain Ron and yet I turned it off within 5 minutes, such a stupid braindead comedy. But hey, Jeremiah Johnson might be in my top 12 if it makes you feel any better. Apart from that, I also have cancer now.
Hahaha, what a shity taste on movies you have.
To say that Citizen Kane is the most overrated film of all time is arrogance at its most supreme level. Of course coming from someone who hasn't directed anything of note, isn't saying much.
You’re right, I’d say it is the 10th most overrated film of all time.
Not arrogance, opinion
2001
Lol wonder women