The Outpost: History vs. Hollywood
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- The Outpost true story is explored, including the historical accuracy of the movie in relation to the real Battle of Kamdesh at Combat Outpost Keating in Afghanistan. During the fact check, we introduce you to the real Clint Romesha, Benjamin Keating and Ty Carter, portrayed by Scott Eastwood, Orlando Bloom and Caleb Landry Jones in the movie. In examining The Outpost real story vs. the movie, we also look at the historical accuracy of Benjamin Keating's death and Robert Yllescas' death, both of which are depicted in the film in the lead up to the Battle of Kamdesh at COP Keating.
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The fact that the movie was first shown to survivors and their families before being released AND that they basically gave it a thumbs up makes this one of the best war films I've ever watched.
That's not a good indicator. Show a guy he's being played by a good-looking movie star, and portray him as a hero, of course he'll give it the thumbs up.
Bullshit they did. This movie sucks
Id like to know which "survivors" they showed it too. Every single guy from the battle that I've talked to hates the movie. It's shit
Of course u talked to them...
I AM one of them goofball.
I went to middle and high school with Stephan Mace, we graduated in 2006 at a northern VA high school. Our small community was devistated when we heard Stephan died overseas, he was a good dude and would give the shirt off his back to anyone who needed it. He's sorely missed. Rest in peace bud.
He’s got to be my favorite character in this movie rip 🙏
As a viewer, Mace is one of the characters in the movie I connected the most with emotionally. So sad to hear that you knew him personally in real life. My condolences to everyone in your class.
Sorry for your loss hopefully your community is doing ok
I was there in 2006 when LT/ Captain Keating died. I was on QRF that night. I remember seeing them bring up those men.
Congrats 🤷🏽♂️
Thank you for your service. How did the movie relate to your experience?
@@charleswilliams7510 Well I was there when Keating died. but he died in 2006 not in 2009 when the battle happened.
I read "Red Platoon" before seeing this movie. But this accident is why the outpost was renamed Keating correct?
@@xxhelmsx yes it is. That also happened in 2006 while I was there. The unit that participated in the battle would not have known who Keatin was or why the base was renamed for him.
Forgot to mention that 1 or 2 of the veterans that fought at that battle played themselves in the movie.
1 or 2?
@lelennyfox34 donyou know who? There were about 50, I rewatch it all the time and would like to spot them
@@Quackks00 ruclips.net/video/-PYC3rKUw1Q/видео.html they are in this behind the scene vid
i know that Romesha was in a couple of scenes
D Rod played himself
Movie showed a real look how the army culture is 👍
Honestly, in my experience, most accurate army movie I've ever seen.
@@douglasalbertson8340 I agree
A bunch of Marines (or soldiers) put in Nowheresville, Afghanistan, initiating talks with elders who’s sons repeatedly attack us while forming phony atrocities to extort money from the U.S. Government??? Never.
@@wheelman1324 its based off a true story so
@william nguyen It’s actually much worse. Gay chicken is the name of the game. I’m a Marine so the gayness of the Navy rubbed off on us. At least that’s what we tell ourselves...
Considering we only had 54 people defending the outpost opposed to the 300 taliban, it’s astonishing to know we only lost 8 lives. God bless our soldiers.
Look at the battle of Mogadishu. 19 American casualties vs.....alot
@@docwhiskey996 Yep. Anywhere between 1,000 and 5,000 Somali clan members killed with an estimated 20,000 wounded. Against 98 Rangers and D-boys...
Hence why they rely heavily on IEDS and on most occasions only fight us from 500 meters plus. They are good at IEDS horrible at actual fighting.
@@troymash8109 too right. They raised absolute hell. Same with Robert's Ridge.
Not to say those Rangers and Delta dudes lives didnt matter. They absolutely did. They will always be some of the greatest warriors who ever lived to me.
Should have got an Oscar. Real veterans playing themselves in a movie and this was an very intense film. I guess because it was showing the real horror of war and not just the glory the public didn't give it an Oscar. This is one of the best war films I ever seen . Real heroes .
@@shidwidley still - the fact that Scott got one of the veterans to sign on was astonishing. Guy basically had to relive all of the events. It was good knowing that he didn't take his own life ten years later
Or maybe he's just a huge sellout
The book "Red Platoon" by MOH Clinton Romesha is probably one of the best books I have ever read. And that says a lot, as I am a avid reader. I actually had elevated pulse while reading the book, I was so captured. Romesha is a great storyteller, and I recommend everyone to read his book.
Excellent book, I'd put "With the Old Breed" ahead of it, but it's definitely in the same class as it
It absolutely is very good & accurate reading. I’ve had the honor & privilege of meeting Romesha during an event & he was gracious enough to sign the copy I had and we talked briefly about it. I’m not sure what if any words can accurately describe what he & his men went through but he certainly did his best to put it on paper! Good Day to You!
Totally agree! Such a good book!
" red platoon" 🇪🇸👍👍respect from Spain great book
Okay ill buy this book. Just watched the movie was amazing
Just watched today. Shit made me cry bro.
Watched it yesterday 2 my mom had severe anxiety watching because she didn’t know who would die next and her crying point was at the end when they showed the real soldiers who had died
@@_itsdiego8338 That's when I lost it
@@StillLifeHomocide seeing the real soldiers and their photos made me super sad and the music in the background tore me up
I lost it at the therapy session...
Ditto. I am a former soldier myself. I never went to war but it hit me in the feels
So in short : the timelines for some of the events and some small details were changed but all accurately depicted for the most part . The battle itself too was pretty accurate as they brought in members of the incident to both act in and as advisors for the movie.
Good shit.
I remember reading The Outpost, and I was about 75% done with the book, when I realized that one of their Medics, Sgt Hobbs was one of my whiskey phase instructor at AIT back in ‘15. Dude was a great guy, hilarious, and never did I think he’d gone through that.
It's cool to know that these movies are capable of doing justice to these important stories.
That therapy session scene needs an Oscar all on its own. The shit had me in my cups
Bad strategy to put an outpost in a valley, you always set an outpost on a high point to have a strategic advantage.
Remember what kenobi said to anakin I have the high ground
@@necaman8787 to be honest, that was a really dumb way to end that lightsaber battle. "High ground" doesn't apply to sword fights lol. (Look to the darth maul fight for examples)
No shit lmao
They mention that in the movie. That it was leadership failure.
Thank you for your tactical expertise
I never understand why channels try to get me to read they’re article. I’m on RUclips for a reason rn
Sorry for siting band suggesting sources bro lmao
you should read more, it helps your brain to function better.
The placement of the outpost surrounded by high ground echoes the blunders that led to the disastrous Retreat from Kabul that massacred the British garrison.
What was the outpost called?
@@DARKOvibrations I'm going back to the days of the British Empire. It was General Elphinstone in 1842. The French were to repeat the same dumb mistake with the same result in Dien Bein Fu.
@@MrDogsledder awesome, thanks for getting back to me. I must be one of the few people that empathise with the Afghan people. They just want to live their lives and don’t go invading anybody else’s lands. They are cool people.
@@DARKOvibrations People are people. Afghanistan was Buddhist before the current supremacist ideology took over there. That was from the original colonial power, before the British empire. And never forget that free countries would have never invaded Afghanistan without the resumption of that forces attack on civilization that was ended 8n 1683.
I love this movie. I watch it at least three times since I found it last week.
Of the 52 guys on the Cop roughly half of them were support troops (cooks, supply, como etc) and did not participate directly in the fighting. Of the combat troops only about half actually fought through the entire day. The odds were therefore much more dire than portrayed in the film.
"It never gets any better" was the slogan of 1st platoon and not the entire troop.
I'm not too familiar with the military, but aren't the support troops too supposed to be trained and fight when needed?
they recieve basic weapons training, however somebody who joins the army as a cook isn't demonstrating a high degree of courage are they
@@bobrobert1123 you can be combat support and be valorous the cooks and supply are in the turrets of those lmtvs and company resupply trucks that bring food out to the cops and police outposts
@@kawasakieddy61No shit, Im telling you the ones at cop keating were not. Convoys in our AO that did not use line troops in their trucks were routinely fucked up.
@@jamesharden9565 yeah
Its incredible that the people in power thought it made sense to have a base there in pretty much a kill zone. Prayers for the people who survived and those who didn't.
Almost all of our combat outposts were in positions like that. Used to piss us off
Great movie!! Helped make me aware of these brave soldiers and the crappy situation they were put in for no good reason. The men were heroic!
Just watched this. Has to be the craziest war movie I've ever seen. Absolute respect to all who were there.
My oldest son was a "terp" with the unit stationed there which was replaced about three months before the battle took place. He was the "ass end" of the patrol in which Capt and please forgive me for the misspelling, Yellskis was killed. He was also in the TOC watching live feed of two of his best friends when their position on patrol was over run. I have the movie and have read the book "THE OUTPOST" along with "RED PLATOON". It served in the OK ARNG for a year and a half before going ADAF for seven and a half years as a surgical technician. I never cease to be amazed at the men and women in our armed forces have done and continue to do along with the sacrifices their families and friends make along with them.
Sorry ... both his friends were killed in that action. Their names were King & Pertle and are mentioned in a foot note in the book "THE OUTPOST".
i politely wanna say that what makes me even sad is that these men and women sacrifice everything their lives included for a pointless war which makes me feel really lucky to serve a country that would only fight to defend land and not for dumb goverment wealth income wars...
You forgot to mention that some of the soldiers played themselves in the movie
Never knew you guys had a youtube channel! Am glad to see it, kudos to y'all
One of the most telling comments from the book was the commander of the relief Force when they got to the camp and he said she heard tinkling sound is he walked to the camp and is he looked down he realized it was the folded metal fins from all rocket-propelled grenades that have been fired figuring seven fins per missile how many of them had been fired for the fence to be able to be walking around on them like that to be able to walk on them like that?
Would love to see a video on Zero Dark Thirty, since there was so much controversy surrounding it around the time of its release.
Orlando bloom is a great actor I never guessed it was even him till much later
Another one of those Orlando Bloom films where he gets top billing even though he died early in the film.
Hrs death was similar to his injury in black hawk down
I was about to say every time he plays a soldier in the US army, his character dies.
I could be wrong but thought the movie showed near the start that it was the year 2006. One of the cameras in a scene with keating showed a date with the year 2006. A scenes before keating would be killed.
Whoever it was that decided to put an outpost in that location should've tried to defend it himself
One of my favorite movies
I just saw this movie and to me it was one of the most frustrating, nerve racking war movies of all time. I liked it a lot. I have so many questions as to why measures were not taken to fortify the base properly. I really felt for those men. Failed leadership. I just can't believe that their CO would not move heaven and earth to properly secure the base. Rest in peace to those who died.
They were actually in the process of shutting it down. They only had a week left when the battle occurred.
Am crying right now just watched
I just bought it last night. Great movie
I saw this movie yesterday. The Outpost had to be one of the most realistic military movies I've ever seen next to Lone Survivor.
LOL if you think lone survivor was realistic. It was a complete fucking fabrication.
@@DARKOvibrations man people legit forgot Generation Kill smh
Lone survivor might have been the most inaccurate military movie. Look up the actual facts of that gun fight.
@@ryancoverstone6283 have you ever been in combat while in the military?
Black hawk down, the hurt locker, three kings,
It’s a similar story but they should make a movie about the battle of Wanat. Multiple medals of Honor should have been awarded in that battle too but I suspect the reason they didn’t is the senior officers were embarrassed by their failures and wanted to downplay the event.
A very underrated movie , it's really well made ..
Again I assume there is no investigation on why the fuck would you put a base in a valley surrounded by 3 mountains. That is some big brain 3-5 star general move right there.
Perhaps there's no need to investigate. Perhaps the "3-5 star general" knows something you don't.
@@peterembranch5797 There is a podcast with some former SEAL basically saying once you are 3 stars and up you're basically a politician and not a soldier. Your job is to appease any policy the civilian government has; no matter how bad, so you're playing ball just getting to the next star.
@@MeGawOOt99 Appeasing politicians doesn't mean you're incompetent, and it doesn't mean you're a politician yourself. It does mean you're in possession of information the soldiers on the ground don't have. Sometimes there are no congenial choices, just bad ones.
@@peterembranch5797 Right you mean like Iraq's MWDs? Or was it chemical weapons? Or was it that Saddam was a really bad guy? Like those kinda of information that is "need to know". Appeasing politicians who know nothing about the warfare so they can get another star to increase their salaries and influence. While the boots on the ground suffers. The ex-SEAL pod-caster said it the best, different administrations can be the difference between having drone support and GPS images. Or not having it because the administration is worried about offending the neighboring countries. This is just one of the issues.
@@MeGawOOt99 Try to think clearly. Begin by not dragging irrelevancies in. What happened in Iraq was down to politics: the generals did as they were ordered. That's what soldiers are supposed to do. It doesn't follow that they themselves were ill-informed about the tactical situation on the ground, and as they won that war pretty damn quick, we have to conclude they understood the situation very well.
Btw, it's WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction) not MWDs, and chemical weapons are WMDs.
Just watched this twice on netflix!.that outpost was so weird!.they are sorrounded by mountains..but so far it was a very good movie.❤❤
I saw D Rods videos and it inspired me to watch the movie, but I didn't know he played as himself in the movie.
They can't represent a book that spans 4 years in a 2 hour movie that well.
Hey, if the survivors of said firefight said, "that's what it was like," who am I to say that the movie didn't do it justice? 🤷♂️
Of im being honest i really did not like the co howard at that one scene when he said" do u see a weapon" when they were shooting at them likr if someone is shooting at me imma fuckimg drop them.
You clearly haven't deployed
I mean he is kinda right about showing of the weapon cuz if they just accidentally shot someone without a weapon the CO and who ever shot the gun is going to jail for long time. Can’t blame the CO who is trying looking out for his career. His only mistake was sticking too much to the rules and not using his wit and tell from the obvious someone is getting shot.
Just wanted to add that your “HOLLYWOOD” font appears to be the same as the Hollywood Video (movie store rental place) of the late 90’s - 2010’s….nice touch of nostalgia
Best film I’ve seen set in Afghanistan since the redwings film..love to all who served..❤🇬🇧
So it’s a 300 v 54...300 of em have high ground,RPGs,mortars...but they still couldn’t kill more than half of us
Literally just finished this movie and started watching the real accounts of it. Shit it was a great movie!
Love the movie Eastwood did a great job in it.
it was based on a true story not a documentary
In the video it says go check out an article for a more accurate detail of what happened but I would read Red Platoon! It’s told by Clint as well as the other soldiers who were there!
Why didn't the bridge break when the IED went off? This was a great film and very emotional. I am asking out of curiosity about this scene as I can't see what happened
I love the portrayal of the ANA, absolutely useless and most are in bed or are taliban. Should of shown them trying to exercise to add a little comedic relief to the movie.
When i saw this, the first thing that came to mind was, who the hell, though that make a base at the bottom of a valley was a good idea? High ground is always important.
Dude had me almost boo hoping at the end when he was talking to the therapist!
OP Restrepo. Yeeew.
My moms friend E4 sterling was in that battle. He was one of the survivors
Great film. One of the few that captures Patrol base life In Afghanistan. But now I have to let my dark humor out. Isn't it funny that Blackburn misses the rope in Mogadishu, Recovers, gets commissioned, goes to Afghanistan, FALLS AGAIN, and finally eats it? But other than that top knotch. Now if they would just do one about the battle of WANAT!
The book is excellent too.
I actually watched this tdy, and bro I swear I got a trauma
Just watched it today honestly this movie made me feel like I was part of it lol
Am I missing something! Why would they put an outpost surrounding by elevation! They could roll rocks down on them and be effective! Khe Sahn was in a sort of valley but at least the Marines occupied the surrounding hills! Those guys were just sitting ducks!
I need the full movie
Who was the bright general or commander who thought it was a stratgic idea to pit s base down low surrounded by three mountain tops
There should be no war , no slavery, no colonialism....every human should let free to led peaceful life. There should be peace in the world. Weather American mercenaries die or Afghan mercenaries die, it's not be discriminated. We just see that a human die and will never come again to see us, to see this world....
The movie..is rough but the book, despite the author's personal disdain of the us military. Put aside his bias and told a great muilt year story of it
I still feel Wanat deserved the movie but dead men can't talk.
I worked with tarien lister that was at wanat with chosen. Small ass world to meet someone from that deployment
They’re fucking that LT so hard
Both battles deserve a movie tbh. Very different circumstances, but still caused by essentially the same problem; paper pushers in the Pentagon and Kabul who were more absorbed into their spreadsheets and powerpoints than the real situation on the ground.
@@cympimpin20 It was the same circumstances, exactly the same. But the Pentagon blamed a 25 year old named
Jonathan P. Brostrom. They were in the EXACT same situation as Wanat. Check out this documentary. ruclips.net/video/e08Vh31Cw6sh/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/e08Vh31Cw6s/видео.html .. Kamdesh should be been prevented.
Mortoritaville saves the day again
Like if u know
Ty was a major fucking hero in this story
That’s why I never watch Hollywood style movies that’s based on supposed to be a true story because it’s always has some inaccurate narrative on it just for the purpose of making more entertaining for the viewers.
Takur Ghar and Wanat, when?
It’s not the city of Kamdesh. It was the valley, and district they were in. They were outside Urmuhl.
I might be misremembering, but I believe there was a village called Upper Kamdesh nearby as well though.
@@cympimpin20 yes upper Kamdesh and lower Kamdesh were in the vicinity but, COP Keating was outside Urmuhl.
...when you never have the high ground.
OP fritsche was on the high ground
They need Tom Hanks, Dale Dye, and Speilberg on these movies. Netflix producing these is a joke.
If you can't beat the enemy,use Hollywood.
I can't stand historically inaccurate movies based on a true story but seems to me like the only flaws are timelines, more or less. Then that's near perfect IMO It is a movie after all and there's going to be time restraints on how to tell the story. Maybe I will be watching this tonight.
Lest We Forget
Great movie! But I hate inaccuracies.. anyone else hear dude say "5.65" rather than 5.56! I just dont understand how a movie with soldiers playing their own parts could have missed this. It could be fixed easy.
I remember scusa back at fort Carson telling me he was going to die in Afghanistan
I also use to drink with carter in the barracks and I would always try to get him to kick me in the face
Martin was the coolest dude really upset about what happened to him
Thompson was a really good friend of mine I remember he found a Super Nintendo at fob bostick before he went to the op and he wanted me to go play with him and the other guys but I didn’t
I know them all but scusa sticks out the most to me because he knew he wasn’t coming home before he even left
Sad that you knew them personally, my condolences. Is it true that Scusa had applied for flight school, and wanted to become an officer, or is it something that was made up in the movie? It doesn't seem consistent of what you say he told you at Fort Carson.
What was they insurging against, it was their country?
So you know for a fact that the individuals that attacked this base were foreign soldiers just like the American soldiers, or are you just assuming? I’m a veteran so your PlayStation line doesn’t make any sense.
Yllescas looked like such a nice person
It’s horrible that this stuff happens daily with little to no retribution to the assholes who do this
I'm confused, first you stated (and is documented) 54 USA soldiers. Then remarked 53. Which doesn't include any non-awol local native soldiers or translators, medical staff etc. Was that a script error about the 54? I'm not trying to be a internet dick but as a military historian who deeply enjoys facts over fiction, eh just wondering. Also lovely speaking voice and great vid. Thumbs from me darlen.
having no military experience myself even i know you dont build a base on the low ground.
They built the outpost there to block a well-known smuggling route.
The fact Milo Gibson is willing to act as his dad who DIES and he goes through what his dad did is sad 😢
Milo Gibson's dad is Mel Gibson... Mel Gibson is very much alive. Did you think Milo was the son of the character he portrayed or something?
Fun fact my father I believe knew the guy who was blown off the bridge he didn’t directly know him but he knew him my father was a captain at the time in the Army
why did they build the base down there?
Mainly to be close to the town
They should have built the base on a higher point
@@necaman8787 Im guessing they want easier access than it would be up there to anywhere else. Ultimately should have given up having an outpost around there ay
Have a hard time watching the video after he said 1stLT Keating when it’s CAPT. Keating
This why I’ll never kneel during the flag (even tho some messed up things are happening rn in our country) 💯
Umm ok
@@dwaynejohnson3656 who tf is talking to u
Lmfao good 4 you
300 to 400 Taliban fighters: ITS OVER ANAKIN, I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!!
54 U.S. Rangers: You underestimate my power....I have Apaches.
In all seriousness, God bless the men who went through hell to serve their country and fellow countrymen. And R.I.P to the fallen.
The movie did this event no justice, the actual documentary from the father and son embedded with the troops there their movie does way more justice
I hate broward for killing scusas dog, who would do that, some people in this world are just sick
R.I.P
Next Call of duty video game
Who decided the location of the outpost? . . .Must be a businessman,attract more customers by location. .location? .
Because it wasn’t originally an outpost it was my house go talk to the locals they’ll tell you the truth
🇺🇸 USA USA USA!
Read Red Platoon... it's better
I dont understand how they justify fucking the actual story up....people who werent even there etc.....its an amazing story.....just get it fecking right!!!!!
Regardless i did appreciate they used some of the vets that were there that day in the movie
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War ain’t pretty
Amen Jesus
They just stumble upon footbridge over this little river out of nowhere. Yeh should be safe to cross.
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