That thing really responded well to the zipkit! With a shorter bar and/or in the size wood that saw was really intended for it should be a ripper especially being as light as it is.
All the things that make a chain chatter were going on in these cuts. Hard wood, aggressive chain, and small saw. Were there other factors? Seemed like the chain speed was going pretty good for such a little saw and oversized bar and chain. Very good comparison video using that chain with the two saws. Even better might have been a top handle 200? Have you done much work with the MS150?
I wish you'd go back over the videos to do cut-time-comparisons because while relative-RPM is neat and all, the real attribute that matters is how fast it cuts through a given piece of wood! Was pretty blown away to see the cs2511 do so well relative to a 200 especially w/ a >12" bar on it as 25cc's often lose such a high% of their power to bar&chain friction-loss (not such a problem >40cc's but is on 25cc's!!) so gonna do another googling to see if I can quantify/make objective just what the "insane-o-ized" mods consist of as I'm building a very comparable saw to the 2511, already expect it'd beat a stock 2511, really want to push it!!
Sir, I am a new subscriber to your channel and I want to tell you you are putting out some great content. I love the video quality, content explanation, and your overall good cheer. I was wondering if you could do a video showing how you sharpen your saws and the types of chains you run. The chips flying out of your saws indicate you only work with a well sharpened chain. Another thing your subscribers would find useful is how know when to resharpen. Do you sharpen by hand etc? Thank you very much and top of the evening to you.
warddan2002 hi. It's not so much the method the chains are sharpen as it is the angles on the teeth. It can take an hour to file a chain if the bar is long. I started grinding because in the wet & cold, filling is a pain. It was more efficient to pack a couple extra chains and just throw a new loop on and go. I touch up teeth from time to time. But let's face it, the days a getting a good files are long gone. Thanks for watching.
1/4 pitch chain runs much smoother, as well as a cleaner pruning cut. Sugihara makes a nice lightweight 12" Carver, and Stihl PM3 works great on the baby saw. Bailey's also has a decent 1/4 - .043 chain, but it needs some sharpening out of the box.
The 2511 has a rim sprocket attached to the clutch drum. Your local Echo dealer should be able to get a 1/4" sprocket for you. I got an early start on most dealers by ordering a few sprockets from the UK last year. Back then, nobody had a clue about 1/4" stuff in the states. The dealer, Echo rep, Oregon rep, and Echo USA all told me that the 2511 only runs 3/8 chain. They are starting to catch up now. You can order the sprockets and bumper spikes directly from Echo. Oregon is working on a 1/4" bar, but don't expect an .043 gauge, it will probably be .050 only. My current setup is a .043 carving bar with Stihl PM3 chain. Cuts real smooth, with slight power loss while back chaining / top chaining.
Hey excellent vid Jack. Seems like it pulled that bar a lot better. Might be a stupid question but what does insanoized actually entail? Being from uk seems to be more of an American thing maybe?🤓
It refers to the level of modifications to the saw ... Jack is famous for his insane-0-ized saws ... I have a 241c that’s been insane-0-ized and it’s a lil ripper when dialed in .... iirc he offers several choices from mild to wild
Nick hi. This one turns ~ 16k no b & c with a very noticable blubbering at high idle. If it's limited, then the stop is set purdy far out there. The owner will have this saw shortly. Hope he weighs in with his thoughts since he has, I think anyway, 2 other stockers. Thanks for watching.
Maybe instead of running such a big blade and chain on the echo switch it to something smaller and thinner? I notice some guys running what looked like 1/4 pitch picco like what I run on my pole saw.
Hello again!.. enjoy your video’s!!..with your experience what saw do you recommend for taking down some “fatties” on occasion but not very often along with general use and what chain do you recommend??.. looking for a “one saw does all” if you know what i mean...I see you seem to talk about the 460 allot.. thanks for the advice!!
Aviator007 hi. That "wood" depend on multiple factors. Bar length being one. The dealer you want the patronize. The weight. Whether you want a pro version saw or not. How patient you are while waiting for the saw to cut as well. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching.
I’d like to see it run with the 12 inch bar it came with, I’m betting less chatter with the shorter bar, with the balance point of the saw being changed with the bar length I don’t think it likes the extra nose weight, with the saw case being so light, just my two cents.
I’m running the 2511 with a 10 inch bar and Oregon 91 non safety chain and it still has lots of chatter. Going to try a 12 inch bar with Oregon 3/8 lo pro narrow kerf and see how it does
Hey there, just want to ask what the brand and model of tacho you use is. I’m in Melbourne Australia and having trouble find a good one. Love all of your videos, keep up the good work. Cheers.
What work was done to the insane o ized, if u dont mind me asking? I have bad wrist and I cant run the 201 cutting verticle leads overhanging. Cant pull the hang anymore.
Does anyone here know how to adapt the echo 2511t to a stihl pico 1/4" Chain with either a stihl or sugihara carver bar , how do you get the sprocket to line up, ?
Aaron hi. Unless there is something I'm missing here: Get the 1/4 chain compatible drum/sprocket - A556001710. The stud diameter on the Echo is the same as the Stihl/Sugi as seen here. The heal/mount is a little different on the Oregon bars it seems. Need a 120SDAA041 drum/sprocket for the 12" dime tip 535045 or 12" quarter 535047 bar/s. Thanks for watching.
Andrew Ream hi. It did not come with them. Looks like there are reliefs in the cases for two bolts high and low. The cases are plastic so that is a considetation. Thanks for watching.
Its is way bad ass for sure 10. CC. less is a lot but if you work the 200t over like the echo it will be really bad ass I would think any way thank you Jack for all your videos God bless
I counted 16 seconds for the 200T and just 18 seconds for the 2511 in the first cut! The following cuts for the Echo were a lot longer for some reason.
John hi. I was looking at the second run with the ms200. Yep, had a correction that was needed here - thanks. I ran these two again with the carb dialed in a little bit more on the Echo. It came around and was giving the 200 fits. This wood is loaded with rocks. I've ruined a few chains in this wood lot. I did look at the teeth afterward, they did seem to be suffering. Thanks for watching.
Ocean View Tree Services, I've got a 540xp, as well as the 2511, both mostly stock except for bars and chains. The 540 definitely cuts faster, and handles larger wood. The 2511 is so much smaller and lighter though, so it gets used twice as much.
Fabz hi. I talked to him. He wanted more time with the wee one and wife. YT was taking up a lot of time to produce, monitor, and respond to. It's good that you asked.
Hi Jack ! Kinda figured as much ... just seemed “odd” that he wood delete the entire channel ... thanks for the response and take care - I sense a disturbance in the force
John hi. From having spent quite a few years on the end of a pistol grip, felling timber on the Coast as well as inland, from Washington state to the border with Mexico, I would disagree. I routinely have my "stops" set really low and we looked at that part in a couple of the recent videos. It's the teeth being set up for a different application. This will rob even more power. So if your trying to show gains in performance having the teeth sucking up more than normal hp is one way to do it. Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 just saying from my experience when the rakers are filed to low it jumps and grabs . dont get me wrong i love to file mine down on a new chain i even sharpen a new chain been a certified arborist 25+ years with osha certifications and others just throwing my 2 cents
I have the echo cs2511t. I am very unsatisfied. The stihl equivalent will run circles around the echo. The echo's have a high speed "burble" that cannot be tune to go away. It's a reverberation problem in the intake manifold. The engineers tried to band aid the situation with the bumps. One more reason for me to stay with the best. Stihl.
Great Job Jack! This will surely put a smile on the new owners face! I know I am still smiling with the Psycho-ized 200T
That thing really responded well to the zipkit! With a shorter bar and/or in the size wood that saw was really intended for it should be a ripper especially being as light as it is.
That little echo can run!
Thanks for the video Jack! Larch is also a conifer that loses it's needles every year...
Darren Smith hi. As far as I know, Tamarack is a larch. I think it is just called by a different name.
Thanks for watching.
Can you do a video on increasing the timing of a saw? Thanks for all of your very informative videos! Sam
That is on angry gnat!
All the things that make a chain chatter were going on in these cuts. Hard wood, aggressive chain, and small saw. Were there other factors? Seemed like the chain speed was going pretty good for such a little saw and oversized bar and chain. Very good comparison video using that chain with the two saws. Even better might have been a top handle 200? Have you done much work with the MS150?
I wish you'd go back over the videos to do cut-time-comparisons because while relative-RPM is neat and all, the real attribute that matters is how fast it cuts through a given piece of wood!
Was pretty blown away to see the cs2511 do so well relative to a 200 especially w/ a >12" bar on it as 25cc's often lose such a high% of their power to bar&chain friction-loss (not such a problem >40cc's but is on 25cc's!!) so gonna do another googling to see if I can quantify/make objective just what the "insane-o-ized" mods consist of as I'm building a very comparable saw to the 2511, already expect it'd beat a stock 2511, really want to push it!!
Sir, I am a new subscriber to your channel and I want to tell you you are putting out some great content. I love the video quality, content explanation, and your overall good cheer. I was wondering if you could do a video showing how you sharpen your saws and the types of chains you run. The chips flying out of your saws indicate you only work with a well sharpened chain. Another thing your subscribers would find useful is how know when to resharpen. Do you sharpen by hand etc? Thank you very much and top of the evening to you.
warddan2002 hi.
It's not so much the method the chains are sharpen as it is the angles on the teeth. It can take an hour to file a chain if the bar is long. I started grinding because in the wet & cold, filling is a pain. It was more efficient to pack a couple extra chains and just throw a new loop on and go. I touch up teeth from time to time. But let's face it, the days a getting a good files are long gone.
Thanks for watching.
How can I get my Echo 2511t insanoized?
1000 us dollars is how
lots of potential there nice
Wow!!!! what all did you have to do with the muffler modification wise?doe it have a cat in there?
1/4 pitch chain runs much smoother, as well as a cleaner pruning cut. Sugihara makes a nice lightweight 12" Carver, and Stihl PM3 works great on the baby saw. Bailey's also has a decent 1/4 - .043 chain, but it needs some sharpening out of the box.
Jamison Timberfalling to run a 1/4 " chain what kind of sprocket would you use
The 2511 has a rim sprocket attached to the clutch drum. Your local Echo dealer should be able to get a 1/4" sprocket for you.
I got an early start on most dealers by ordering a few sprockets from the UK last year. Back then, nobody had a clue about 1/4" stuff in the states. The dealer, Echo rep, Oregon rep, and Echo USA all told me that the 2511 only runs 3/8 chain.
They are starting to catch up now. You can order the sprockets and bumper spikes directly from Echo. Oregon is working on a 1/4" bar, but don't expect an .043 gauge, it will probably be .050 only.
My current setup is a .043 carving bar with Stihl PM3 chain. Cuts real smooth, with slight power loss while back chaining / top chaining.
If you had a set of dawgs/ spikes do you think it would help the chatter calm down?
Andrew Ream a 12" bar ,smaller thinner chain and a mean set of dawgs would rip!!
Hey excellent vid Jack. Seems like it pulled that bar a lot better. Might be a stupid question but what does insanoized actually entail? Being from uk seems to be more of an American thing maybe?🤓
It refers to the level of modifications to the saw ... Jack is famous for his insane-0-ized saws ... I have a 241c that’s been insane-0-ized and it’s a lil ripper when dialed in .... iirc he offers several choices from mild to wild
Nice little saw
What chain is that on the ECHO that it jumps around so much? Doesn't look comfortable.
Id like to get a modified 2511
wow thats impressive.
Tom Saad yea it is tom. Holly shit.
This isn't yours by chance Vic?
Eric Husqvanson Swanson freakin wish.
Hey Jack, Does the 2511T have a limited coil?
Nick hi.
This one turns ~ 16k no b & c with a very noticable blubbering at high idle. If it's limited, then the stop is set purdy far out there. The owner will have this saw shortly. Hope he weighs in with his thoughts since he has, I think anyway, 2 other stockers.
Thanks for watching.
Maybe instead of running such a big blade and chain on the echo switch it to something smaller and thinner? I notice some guys running what looked like 1/4 pitch picco like what I run on my pole saw.
She sings a sweet song!!
Hello again!.. enjoy your video’s!!..with your experience what saw do you recommend for taking down some “fatties” on occasion but not very often along with general use and what chain do you recommend??.. looking for a “one saw does all” if you know what i mean...I see you seem to talk about the 460 allot.. thanks for the advice!!
Aviator007 I would suggest Husqvarna, line gives more saw for less $. Models: 455, 460, are very capable and economical.
Aviator007 hi.
That "wood" depend on multiple factors. Bar length being one. The dealer you want the patronize. The weight. Whether you want a pro version saw or not. How patient you are while waiting for the saw to cut as well.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for watching.
Wow amazing!
I’d like to see it run with the 12 inch bar it came with, I’m betting less chatter with the shorter bar, with the balance point of the saw being changed with the bar length I don’t think it likes the extra nose weight, with the saw case being so light, just my two cents.
I’m running the 2511 with a 10 inch bar and Oregon 91 non safety chain and it still has lots of chatter. Going to try a 12 inch bar with Oregon 3/8 lo pro narrow kerf and see how it does
Tim Pope Thanks for the info, let me know how the new set up works out for ya
Hey there, just want to ask what the brand and model of tacho you use is. I’m in Melbourne Australia and having trouble find a good one. Love all of your videos, keep up the good work. Cheers.
Jeremy hi. It's a Pulse PET-2100DXR Thanks for watching.
What work was done to the insane o ized, if u dont mind me asking? I have bad wrist and I cant run the 201 cutting verticle leads overhanging. Cant pull the hang anymore.
The 201 seems so bottom heavy
Please check the same question posed in the bench talk video.
try the stihl ps chain, worked much better for me...its a custom order from stihl tho, needs one extra link using the stock 12” bar
Hate that chatter.have a t435 put a 16in bar on ,all kinds of chatter.going back to the 14in. Much smoother in the cut. Thanks for the vid
Does anyone here know how to adapt the echo 2511t to a stihl pico 1/4" Chain with either a stihl or sugihara carver bar , how do you get the sprocket to line up, ?
Aaron hi. Unless there is something I'm missing here: Get the 1/4 chain compatible drum/sprocket - A556001710. The stud diameter on the Echo is the same as the Stihl/Sugi as seen here.
The heal/mount is a little different on the Oregon bars it seems. Need a 120SDAA041 drum/sprocket for the 12" dime tip 535045 or 12" quarter 535047 bar/s.
Thanks for watching.
Hey guy what are the type of gloves you use? Im using leather riggers gloves and go slippery as soon as wet. Cheers dude
Jack Hammer hi.
In this video it is the North Star cotton glove liner. Thanks for watching.
hotsaws101 thank you 👍🏻👍🏻 hi from perth aus
Does the echo not have bucking spikes/ dawgs?
Andrew Ream hi. It did not come with them. Looks like there are reliefs in the cases for two bolts high and low. The cases are plastic so that is a considetation.
Thanks for watching.
Its is way bad ass for sure 10. CC. less is a lot but if you work the 200t over like the echo it will be really bad ass I would think any way thank you Jack for all your videos God bless
I counted 16 seconds for the 200T and just 18 seconds for the 2511 in the first cut! The following cuts for the Echo were a lot longer for some reason.
John hi. I was looking at the second run with the ms200. Yep, had a correction that was needed here - thanks. I ran these two again with the carb dialed in a little bit more on the Echo. It came around and was giving the 200 fits. This wood is loaded with rocks. I've ruined a few chains in this wood lot. I did look at the teeth afterward, they did seem to be suffering.
Thanks for watching.
Yeah that bar and chain combo is too much. It is running awesome no matter!
Hey there Jack, Adirondackstihl here, just wondering where you are located?
Adirondackstihl hi.
Pacific Northwest. Thanks for watching.
hotsaws101 Yes, I gather. Perhaps you could disclose what township or county ??
Nice job does the muffler have a cat in it? if so what all did you do to it muffler wise... thank you.
@@crazedpaul9836 As far as I know it has some sort of baffle system.
I made it flow.
Thanks for watching.
Would like to see the T540 against that echo
Ocean View Tree Services, I've got a 540xp, as well as the 2511, both mostly stock except for bars and chains. The 540 definitely cuts faster, and handles larger wood. The 2511 is so much smaller and lighter though, so it gets used twice as much.
Anyone hear know what’s up with Oddman outdoors ? His channel is ............. gone ! Thanks in advance
Fabz hi.
I talked to him. He wanted more time with the wee one and wife. YT was taking up a lot of time to produce, monitor, and respond to.
It's good that you asked.
Hi Jack ! Kinda figured as much ... just seemed “odd” that he wood delete the entire channel ... thanks for the response and take care - I sense a disturbance in the force
I miss his videos
The echo has some balls for 25cc but man that bar is dancing like a cat on a hot tin roof !
Fabzacres lol
Echo over everything
how much for that 2511
david ure hi. That saw belonged to a client. Thanks for watching.
That echo is a bad lil saw
echo needs 1/4" chain and a stihl mini e 12" bar.
the chattering is you have the rakers filed to much . dont be so aggressive on them
John hi. From having spent quite a few years on the end of a pistol grip, felling timber on the Coast as well as inland, from Washington state to the border with Mexico, I would disagree.
I routinely have my "stops" set really low and we looked at that part in a couple of the recent videos.
It's the teeth being set up for a different application. This will rob even more power. So if your trying to show gains in performance having the teeth sucking up more than normal hp is one way to do it.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 just saying from my experience when the rakers are filed to low it jumps and grabs . dont get me wrong i love to file mine down on a new chain i even sharpen a new chain been a certified arborist 25+ years with osha certifications and others just throwing my 2 cents
another video with no audio
David Gaylord hi. Since you are the only one that I know of having the sound issues, maybe updating your OS is in order.
Thanks for just watching.....
I have the echo cs2511t. I am very unsatisfied. The stihl equivalent will run circles around the echo. The echo's have a high speed "burble" that cannot be tune to go away. It's a reverberation problem in the intake manifold. The engineers tried to band aid the situation with the bumps. One more reason for me to stay with the best. Stihl.