IHOPKC Crisis Update: Lou Engle, Michael Sullivant, Dr. Malachi, The Report, and More...
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2024
- Lou Engle, Michael Sullivant and more... this episode catches you up on all going on with IHOPKC and the Mike Bickle allegations.
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Just realized that I uploaded the version with ZERO edits (including AUDIO) - well, enjoy our unedited version of the podcast. Love you guys!
Google Eric Volz. Has a looong tail.
😂 this is amazing. When Christina was like “we will just edit this part out later.” And I was like “maybe they just kept it in to be real.” 😂 Love it
I love it!!! I love how the kids are there and they come and go. It’s fun to watch you two interact with each other and horse around. All this “extra” activity made the whole thing feel like I was sitting with you in your living room (as I was in mine) watching/interacting/laughing with you.
It was so authentic and genuine. In this world of edited sound bites, edited videos with polish and recordings with perfected written statements, this type of “real” interaction is refreshing.
Ditto - what Kate said. Couldn't have said it better. Cathy & I love seeing the kiddos and how you two keep it real.
If you drive a few 100 miles over the border, your in Alberta, my territory. God Bless you all and Happy Birthday Christina. The 40's are the best wine, I'm long past those years but just saying. The General is so bizarre under these circumstances🤔😪Btw Todd Bentley just tagged Malachi in a post hours before the bomb dropped and he's on the board? 🤮🤮
All things, IHOPKC aside I just want you both to know how much I admire your relationship. You both honor each other in a really beautiful way and I appreciate that so much.❤ it’s really nice to watch and also encouraging.
So many of us were ripped to pieces our lives ruined. I’m glad Luke’s daughter spoke up against these idiot schmucks
Thank you. I read the article. It’s unbelievable Mike keeps getting by with this serial predatory behavior...even now. I pray this is finally the end of the road for all of this. So many lives have been derailed.
As a RUclipsr who edits my own videos it makes my heart happy that y’all didn’t edit all the parts with your kids out 😂 I love it. It feels like you’re sitting in my living room and my kids are interrupting our convo too 😂 thanks for how you guys have continued to cover this!
Yes! DON’t leave the babies out.☺️ you are family and it helps us see how as Christian’s and the struggle ‘s a lot of you younger people ( parents have to deal with & it’s so cute & sweet) if folks have an issue then that’s their problem. Always complaining people. But yea, let them in some sort that children don’t feel so left out. We don’t give them enough credit for how they get it more than we realize.. so it’s your podcast do whatever the Lord leads you.. I as a great/ grand mom love it, they are so cute guys… ❤️🫂🫵🏼🙏🙏✝️🛐💖
I just want to cry after reading the story of the 14 year old girl.
Oh you guys…at 72, and coming from a family of 8 kids whose parents covered up our father’s,FIVE++ adulterous affairs when I was a child,
THANK YOU FOR SHARING LUKE BICKLES DAUGHTER’S WORDS!!!
My parents were power monger WANT TO BE’s!
This is WAY WAY BIGGER THAN IHPOKC!!! And over decades and decades and decades!
Oh that is so true. I've been keeping a list of predator big wigs in the evangelical hierarchy since the late 1990s. The list has tens of thousands of names now. It's systemic.
Happy birhtday Christina !!! 35-45 were the strongest prime years for me, Don't let anybody tell you you are old, you are in the prime of life !
😎Thank you for speaking out. Praying for everyone hurting over this crisis at IHOPKC, God bless you and your family. Blessings from Snow Land Canada EH! 🇨🇦
I'm over in Alberta John. So much colder but blue skies. 😘 Praying for you.
Amen to that, and thanks also to you Brother John. I appreciate your videos.
Right on @@ToddWilhelm God bless you 😎
Blessings my fellow Canadian EH!@@sherylturnerturner1352
You da man John
**ON A DIFFERENT NOTE** you two seem quite well suited for one another. I wish you a very long life together.
If Bickle make up that “prophecy” as his pickup line, it makes one question how many other “prophecies” did he make up to manipulate people.
All of them. They were never real, just like all of the loonies in the charismatic movement.
It’s all a fraud - bob jones was straight out of a mental institution
Uh, get a clue already, he never had a gift of prophecy, or do you really believe that God was giving him prophecies to help him or that God didn't know what he was doing. Bob "take your clothes off ladies" Jones, paul cain there was nothing Godly in this movement it was full of false teachers and degenerates from the beginning.
Manipulators always have more than one "story".
All of them
Behind every great man is a woman who knows where they are
I am so sorry for the wife of Mike Bickle.
If the gig blesses her you might want to TAKE THAT BACK!!
Like she didn’t know her husband after years of marriage? She either knew or didn’t want to know.
Although so many pastors wives I’ve known whose husbands had affairs were totally naive idiots. They bathed in the luxury of the church’s efforts to pay for their fancy homes and vacations. I just wish a few of these women had to work regular jobs and punch a clock like we do and see the real world outside the church. It’s crazy they don’t want their women to work yet many have had to struggle during this time of inflation and guilted into giving to the church and their trips and luxury way of life!!! I feel no sorrow for these women at all
@@Almamater8888: Your comment has no factual basis. 😢 She probably had her hands full taking care of the kids & her ministry. What makes you think she wasn’t manipulated & gas lit? No Judgment please. I am crying right now for the victims & she very likely one of them.
At 49:50 Christina says, "If you're not wanting that (improper touching) to happen again, you need to stay as far away from that person as possible." 🥳🥳 And maybe, if you accidentally fell into the lips of someone, say, in an alley in Paris, maybe don't rent them an apartment . . . and then a second apartment . . . and give them keys to your private office . . . .
Some people are accident prone, what can I say?
Perfect 👏
Why aren't people focusing on the apartment he got for Jane Doe 1 by herself? And why aren't they thinking it's weird that Michael Sullivant had heard someone say that he told them Diane was going to die as far back as in the 80s?
I love that it’s unedited and we get to see real life with kids; so many of us are in the midst of that ourselves. 😊 Thanks for your podcasts and discussion- I’ve appreciated the processing outlet. Congrats on your move!
Reminds me of Lev 10:1 which didn’t end well. This is so tough to go through for all those who are trying to still purely offer prayer for the nations at IHOP KC. Yet, this is a cleansing of the movement, which is needed. Think of how amazing 24/7 prayer will be once the house is cleansed.
Amen
Amen! Those who KNOW HIM AS FAITHFUL remain faithful! Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
I have prayed for you since finding your podcast at the start of the Ihop reveal. Your dedication to truth is what caught my attention, and so have prayed much for your safety.
I am an 84 year old minister whose granddaughter took me to Ihop a couple times years ago, and had watched several times. Just days before the "story" broke, the Spirit heightened my attention while listening to Mike "teach". I thought very strongly something was not right with him, then within days, heard the "Leadership" make their initial announcement. Wow. May you be blessed as you unpack how the Lord has led you.
We need our elders to keep stepping up for the children. Wisdom from God trumps and stumps all worldly wisdom. Keep speaking up pls and keep following this bold generation who LOVE THE TRUTH.
Did anyone catch the tape of 1986 of Mike saying ...Diane MY FIRST WIFE....this goes along with him saying the death of Diane in 1983......what a CREEP.......a hundred times with Jane Doe then many others.
Yeah and didn't he also talk about his purity before marriage in that video? He talked about not even kissing before marriage. Not sure I believe him.
Good report. Thanks. Looks like IHOKC has thrown in the towel and called it a day pretending that all is fine. This is such a disaster as far as the witness of our faith is concerned.
"It's not delivery - it's DiGiorno." Before that (probably before you were born) was "Is it live, or is it Memorex?" back when we used cassette tapes.
Loved the added bonus of seeing you all parent 😊. I’m a mom of 3 and it was sweet to see the interaction with you all and your kiddos🩵 love you content and appreciate your honest coverage on all of this!
“Dad, nobody’s on your phone.” He’s so real for that 😭😂😂😂😂
I felt sick listening to Eric Volz...I thought, "that's it??!!... it's over...he gets off with no consequences?? Thank you for sharing....this was so helpful to see that it is not over. Also, thank you for sharing the note from Lou Engle. I hadn't heard about that. The absence of voices from the leaders of the church at large is stunning to me. Very disturbing. Keep up the great work. ❤❤
Your reference to mike kissing reminded me about the old English nursery rhyme:
Georgie Porgie, Puddin’ and Pie,
Kissed the girls and made them cry,
When the boys came out to play
Georgie Porgie ran away
Mike is now in hiding. 😂
Pride is a big part...unclean spirits pass from one to another, especially if there is a spiritual stronghold...People end up doing unthinkable things...
Taking sensible precautions as you say is for everyone to take.
25 years ago I ran my first Marathon (3 hrs 45 min), and was in the best shape of my life, at age 38. “So much of life ahead…” to quote Karen Carpenter.🙂
First I want to say thank you both for moving in the weight and capacity that the Lord has given you to be trumpets of justice! I’ve been watching y’all for a few weeks now, I’m not much of a commentator but I am following your podcast consistently. My son and I were first introduced to the IHOPKC community back in 2007 by one of my best friends who had done fire in the night in 2007 and then went back to finish schooling. My first introduction to the prophetic was through this ministry. Finally in 2016 my daughter and I were able to go to our first one thing conference and then followed every year after. My son had a radical encounter with the Lord when he was 19 and the Lord called him to fire the night as well. He went on after to do a stretch at what is formally known as ACTS in Colorado under Brian Kim and the and Lou Engle! I said all that to say when I first heard this news, it broke my heart. I’ve had to have deep conversations with the Lord about this, and He has spoken to me so tenderly about it. What has been done here is devastating and clear, misconduct and abuse by a prominent spiritual leader in the body of Christ that must be dealt with. Coincidentally the day I heard the news Dean Briggs was preaching at my church out here in Texas the same day. Thank you for all your doing. I truly appreciate you. Keep moving Jehus! God is with you!
I'm guessing the ihopkc coverup thing will end with someone getting arrested. You don't hire a guy like Volz if there aren't really dark secrets.
The Bible is very clear about this. Forget whatever you THINK or FEEL about it!! This is the whole problem. The “prophetic” and our feelings have replaced the authority of SCRIPTURE!!
I don't have a problem with Lou taking time to respond. I think that's wisdom and these things take time to flesh out in your own heart . Lous not going to be pushed by you guys or anyone else, but Holy Spirit
He probably responded after being told another shoe was going to drop.
Not responding while everyone one else knows the obvious, Mike's fellow labors of 25 years are speaking up, etc...yet he's silent and he's a prophet🤦
Come on brother...
@@samulmagnus1 well said
I love seeing kids with both parents. Mini half clones of each of them. It is distractibg for some people but man we need more kids in America today. Things are not looking good numbers wise. Let em play...you guys are setting a good example.
Narcissists can never admit they are wrong.
Also, because there is probably way more they ae hiding. Admitting one wrong thing would be showing the tip of the iceberg.
You guys are too kind. Even forgetting everything else - they allowed him to preach his betrayal message - with full knowing of the allegations. That is evidence of how strong the delusion of MB is and how adroit he is in grooming his followers. I stand with Jane Doe. Thanks for your no nonsense approach!
The ELT should have asked him to stop when he was preaching this Black Horse message.
They knew who it was referring to yet let him continue to preach it and even allowed it to be uploaded onto RUclips for all to see.
Despicable and pathetic!
Now the truth is exploding. KCStar article made me unable to sleep last night!
@@rickorider
I truly love your beautiful lil family.! You’re raw and real 🙏🏼🥰 Thank you for the Truth.! GOD Bless you. ❤
It's like that financial lady said, "It all started to make sense when I admit MB is a bad guy." Same goes for the rest of the higher ups who know and do nothing or delay or obfuscate...
When it doesn't make sense... you have to consider how it would make sense...
Happy Birthday, Christina! Hope you guys love Montana!
I don’t see how IHOPKC can carry on after this. Their response has made IHOP an unsafe place to worship. I would never go, I would feel highly uncomfortable and looking over my shoulder. Anyone who thinks IHOP can recover from this BECAUSE of the way they have dealt with this is delusional.
One year ago Andrew Whalen gave Lou Engle a Word about IHOPKC. He saw the word Ichabod over IHOPKC. Which means God’s glory has departed.
@@aliciagiannakudar7416
Do you know if this word was recorded anywhere?
I heard Andrew Whalen say it on Elijah Streams. It was in December or January.
Happy Birthday! You are beautiful! Blessings to you both & family!
People who have embraced the KCIHOP culture and teachings need deliverance from. False light spirit. -
I could tell some stories about your ministry lol go to bed
Can you give any insight into why Misty is willing to down with the ship?
I’ve definitely seen that before. I don’t know Misty at all but generally I know people find it much easier to believe that a whole bunch of people are conspiring and lying about someone than to believe that a hero they trusted is actually a predator. :-(
Misty thing has really grieved my heart. I used to think she was so anointed. She probably is... but why she's backing Mike just doesn't make sense. Just don't understand. Praying
@vickygauthier5114 it’s very possible Misty is telling the truth and nothing happened between her and Mike. Misty was a public person in the church. The ones Mike was with he secluded away and made them give up their friends in order to keep it quiet. That couldn’t be done with Misty. She was out in front of everyone with her ministry.
@@westofthemiddle I don’t doubt what she is saying. (That nothing happened with her). Unfortunately those are often the ones who oppose the victims the most- they think that since they didn’t personally experience it, it couldn’t have happened at all with anyone. Not sound logic but it’s hard to be logical and objective when it’s about your hero and spiritual father.
I mean, its not like he could abuse every woman in his life. He targets people and tests them. If you would be too risky, he would just pass them over. It's not about attraction it's about power
1. You were saying that Mike Bickel claimed she touched him but he didn’t touch her. What does he call full on kissing in Paris? That’s him majorly touching her! Jane Doe also said a time they were together in a hotel in Dallas was worse than what happened in Paris. And Paris was bad. Can’t imagine Dallas.
2. Mike says the Jane Does got mixed up when he told them Diane was going to die young then he’d marry them. He says he didn’t say that. BUT in the Roys Report Jane Does testimony says that she was in a car with him and they drove past a certain house and Mike said something like that this was the house he would buy when they got married. He said the front of the house was not good or big enough for guests but he’d build out the back yard for more room. So yes, I believe Jane Doe when she said he told her Diane would die then they’d get married. Mike is not telling the truth. Why would several different Jane Does, who didn’t know about each other say the same thing, that he said those words to them many times? What are the odds of several women all mistaking the same thing? No. Mike is not telling the truth.
The story about she touched him but he didn't touch her was his story about Jane Doe #2.
@@myramoir4056ok. And guess what that means???? What is it they could be doing without him touching her, but her touching him??!
you guys are classic! I always think family night-card games and coffee with these ones would be legendary! Blessings from Mozambique
Excellent broadcast. Thank you.
Love to you both from Fort Worth, Texas. I’d gladly give up mild Texas weather for a blazing fire and some falling snow right now❤️. Stay close to the heart of Jesus. He is everything! Great offering tonight. Love that you can love on your kids and stay in the lane to get out relevant information for the Remnant!❤
I love ur interaction w/ ur kid. ❤
I thank God 4ur integrity. Judgment begins in the house of the Lord. There will be more and more exposures in the Body of Christ in general.
I wish we had full exposure truth and transparency for my old church that I had to leave due to inappropriate behavior from the Senior Pastor who still isn’t fully repentant and hasn’t made a dent into making amends to those he hurt. Like Mike, these leaders keep up their lies and why people still follow them is called insanity & the congregation too are victims blindly following corrupt leaders like in our politics. They can’t see they are being manipulated and are weak to want to please these leaders. God bless your sweet family!
A big thing I picked up with the interview with Allen Hood was referring to Mike as their “spiritual Father” and that in itself is so unbiblical. “Call no one your Father except your Father in heaven “
This place that we’ve put people higher than trinity has been the problem from the beginning. This needs to be addressed.
The report was basically worthless.
If Mike Bickle is the signatory of the corps or what nots that issues checks to people at IHOPKC, you bet your booties, they will be beholden to him
There's only one reason that any organization refuses to be transparent when issues become public. They know that there are more issues that they don't want to be revealed. It's just so sad that this is happening in a supposed church. Leadership has deceived the members since day one.
Thank you for sharing with us❤️
Awesome. I love Montana, pretty much lived here all our married life.
Can YA'LL see why some sinners want nothing to do with so called Christians ....? It is up to those of us who walk the straight and narrow, with no compromise, to walk the talk. We will be persecuted...so was Jesus...we must remember this and endure to the end. Many blessings my brothers and sisters. Peace to you.
I really appreciate your hearts in this situation. Calling the church and especially leadership to transparency, accountability and fear of the Lord shouldn’t be this hard. I’m glad you guys are not giving in to MB’s manipulation but staying strong for the body of Christ. God Bless You, sending love and prayers your way.
Curious as to what you think about Isaac B rebuking Forerunner Church and telling them to repent on Sunday Feb 4th...🤔
Christina and Blaise and family are full of God Surprises. Hallelujah. Blessings from Alabama.
Bama is where I am from too !!! GOD BLESS !!!
@@kramsdrawde8159 Amen😊😊😊
Congratulations on your move! Montana is beautiful make sure you check out the night sky it is a stunning piece of mastery of our God! Praying for all of you! Thank you for all your videos and putting out the truth!
I’ve been following this issue closely for several months and you two are awesome. Thank you for your heart and your calling out of this evil. An excellent book I recommend is “Crucified by Christians,” which is a book written about such situations. Really helped me.
I appreciate the statement that the time that was spent is not wasted and there is a time for all things, a time to stay and another to go.❤
Now I wanna know what happened during night watch. I heard of things happening. I was a one thing intern, did ihopu for 4 yrs, was apart of the prayer room, and worship teams, I had a lot of friends in the night watch, they say crazy stuff happens at night.
Great job team!! Keep calling things out. It's not that hard to not kiss someone who isn't your spouse....
Great job with the kiddos! excellent reporting and reaction..
Wish the volume was better but thanks for another post.
Happy birthday Christina❤️
Guaranteed- “She touched him but he didn’t touch her” = he got her to touch him but didn’t touch her. That would be a typical predator manoeuvre and a typical way that a malignant narcissist would twist things.
Happy birthday, Christina! Many blessings to you!
New news. TAMMY WOODS , See Kansas City Star shares how as a 14 year old Mike Bickle abused her. Very, very sad
That is horrifying!
Excellent point, about MB’s prayers being hindered!
Oh girl, 37-49 is the BEST!! Happy Birthday! Enjoy the decade!!
🌴🦩🌞🎂Happy birthday from your friends in Miami, Christina! 🎂🌞🦩🌴 Love 💕 you guys!
Exactly! Live the higher standard!
Beautiful 37!
Definitely where I'd live in Montana. Beautiful area. Go check out the hidden lake in glacier when it thaws! Happy birthday!
Looking great for 37, Awe you two are so cute ! Love when God moves unexpectedly and life takes on a new direction.
The first few seconds of this video I saw your pristine kitchen behind you and as a mom of four young ones, I was thinking " howwww😂😭" but you are still unpacking , so it makes sense!
That Beethoven scene with the hypodermic needles shook me as a kid.
Brave kids
Power bases always work to protect themselves. Learn from what's happened in the RC church and how stuff was hidden. God is cleansing his church. Let's pray and be truthful
This interview was very interesting and I think this reporter had to do her job and she did it well 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
you guys are hilarious, when you went on that rant and said I’m not even in ministry and have not kissed anybody other than my wife for 10yrs, your wife looks at you and says, good, that was hilarious
Ready for another! A lot has been revealed 😳😳😳Miss you two 🙏🏽😎🦋🩷
Possibly a rush to release "THE REPORT" before PR guy's contract expires??
CUTE hat!!!
Right!?🥰
Not letting go when the Holy Spirit directs us to go, and doing it later is delayed obedience. Delayed obedience is disobedience. What if Joseph didn't listen to his dream to take Jesus to Egypt? What if he waited and did it in his own time?
Good to see y'all again. You nailed it with the second half. If MB built KC IHOP all the while having the SA stuff happening the prayers were bouncing off the ceiling. Yo Ernie G had it right.
So everyone’s prayers bounced off the ceiling too?
Who actually believes Bickle's description of "she touched me, but I didn't touch her?" The guy is not only a predator, he is also a liar.
Yea he didn't do what Joseph did and run out with his garment still in her hand!
Pottefiers wife tried to seduce Joseph and he ran out yet she accused him of rape and got imprisoned unjustly.
Yet God exalted him to the 2nd ruler in the land.
MB falls very short of Joseph's behaviour!😢
@ToddWilhelm…it’s possible it’s true in his mind. Think. How could she touch him without him touching her?? It’s very possible and is even more disturbing.
Where did you all go? I've been looking for your input on the latest. Hope you're doing okay. God bless you.
Hahahaha timelines and spreadsheets?! You guys know how to keep me coming back for more even when I have kicked the dust on my feet off over this place.😂😅
Not the prayer movement but the money. Let’s be real.
WELCOME TO MONTANA! I live in Eureka. Justin Peters is also in Montana.
You know why they are vague.< there is so much more to uncover
The ‘ church’ is so worldly and lukewarm that it cant identify what sin is🥲
100% right Blaise on Catherine Slezinger being the third victim, even though she doesn’t see herself as one. The new one that came forward is number four. The initial Jane Doe and the McNamara one are all seperate people.
May God have Mercy
Wow 37 you look great! I definitely thought you were much younger!! ❤
wish there were time stamps as its soooooooooooo long -wanted to know quickly about lou but I can't wade thru all this - dont have the time - but bless u guys youre doing great job but time stamps would be great x
ah glacier national park looks outstanding, hopefully on our list for 50th wedding anniversary
Dean Briggs posted on his Facebook today! Lou Engle yesterday!
Wow, we love you guys and are glad you're back, but this needs to be edited. Thanks.
I have been waiting for Lou Engle too. It would have been helpful sooner not later, I agree. It’s all so sad & horrible. It’s very difficult to trust leaders - wolves in sheep’s clothing 😢
Welcome to the Treasure State! So glad you’re here…