Alfred is The Joker and Batman Finds Out
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2023
- The Joker's true identity is revealted to be Alfred Pennyworth, Bruce Wayne's butler, and Batman finds out!
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Imagine how sad of a twist that would've been if it was canon
I'm glad this was the comment iread first. Bro my brain almost exploded
It would make no sense.
Bruce would notice that Alfred is missing all the time, especially when the Joker is locked up.
Meh, corny to me, thankfully not canon, but who knows if it will be if disney buys the franchise, they might even make the joker PREGNANT 😭😭😭
@@BaithNa Why is it in Issue 686? That sounds canon
It's stupid. Glad it isn't canon.
If this were canon, it would make sense why Batman never offed the Joker. Maybe the greatest detective figured out Alfred was the Joker long ago and his sick mind just let the "rivalry" play out.
Imagine how fucked it'd be tho with joker killing Jason Todd if it was all canon
@Backwoods Killin It fa real tho, right? Like, Alfred lives with them so he knows Jason is a disrespectful hothead so he probably felt he had to be dealt with.
Except it makes no logical sense.
Wouldn't batman or any of the other bat fam members question Alfred's disappearance when the joker is locked up in arkham? It makes no fucking sense and it's just introducing a plot twist for just the sake of it without any build up or any thought put into behind it.
@@Vampire00974 well there was the story of the 3 Jokers. Maybe Alfred had one of them carry out those schemes.
8:10 Martha Wayne isn't killed in the Flashpoint Comics, she IS the Joker in that series, and her being his wife is the only reason Thomas couldn't bring himself to kill her
I was about to say this exact thing
this is what I a was thinking as I watched the video, this dude knows nothing about comics for someone who dedicated his channel to comics 🤣
Indeed. Noped out at this point.
That flashpoint would be a great way to set up the Batman who laughs….one of the multiverse versions 🤓
In my opinion, the entire Flashpoint storyline has its own set of problems that can't be reconciled with previous time-travel stories in the Flash comics or anywhere else in the DCU.
I imagine alfred being the first joker but passing it to a trusted friend as he became to old
Or making the other 3 jokers so they can be in more then 1 place at 1 time.
I was going to argue that Alfred being the Joker the whole time couldn’t be plausible because of Arkham Asylum. Alfred couldn’t be at 2 places at the same time. Couldn’t think of any way, Alfred could sidestep this unless there was something set up with the police and the asylum (probable if Alfred had a small fortune and the system was as corrupt as reported). Multiple Jokers in conjunction with this… could make this all possible.
@@benjaminlee2522 I know right.
Alfreds and the 3 jokers should revolve around the Lazarus Pit and what I mean by that is Alfred with his British specialist military background has the knowledge and expertise to acquire a sample of the ( LP ) pay al Ghul you feel me ( throw what all yall said on top of this ) re-engineering it with the fear toxin as a mind control serum when he reanimates the dead as jokers. ( bodies never lasting making him need more to inject his new Lazarus Pit fear toxin mix ) all this just to please the young master his father's last wish that Alfreds mind being affected by Bruce Wayne parents death
@@benjaminlee2522 When Gotham *is corrupt to the core* and I could honestly see people paying Arkham Asylum a large sum of money to allow *crazy psycho killers to be released.* LOL
Best theory ever: Alfred paid a gunman to kill the Wayne family, so he could gain control of the Wayne fortune, but the gunman couldn't bring himself to kill the kid! So, Alfred encouraged Bruce to live a dangerous lifestyle, and would gain control of the fortune if one of the rogues killed Batman!
nice! except that Alfred has brought him back from the brink of death many times over.
“Rogues”.
Now we re talking, this is better than lets be villain to spoil the depressed millionaire kid instead of pay some mental health doctor to cure him
Bruh thats just like every who dunnit its always the butler and the maid
@@cristianmetz9470 what if that's just what Bruce thinks, and alfred didnt do anything to save him in actuality
Alfred being the joker is a universe I'd be interested to see. Would the stakes be lower? Would it be more detective drama than super action? Or would Alfred be different, more sinister
"While no one was looking, Lex Luthor stole forty cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible." Only instead of Lex Luthor it's Joker XP
That would make sense as to why Joker couldn't be identified, and why his origins were being kept mysterious. Not only would he have the means to remove his fingerprints from databases and get clothing that has no tags to follow, but it would make sense to keep his real identity secret to keep up the charade.
Alfred came back from war with PTSD. No one knew what PTSD was at the time and he didn't get the proper treatment. He and his family found that calm situations helped him keep his focus on the now and Martha Wayne hired him through a help program for war-vets. At first everything was going as they all had hoped, things calmed down and he seemed to be doing better. But without anyone noticing, over time, he started to resent them, get paranoid and make plans. He felt they had encouraged him to stay even though he would have been fine by himself, he blamed them for wasting his life as their slave.
So he hired a man to kill them in front of Bruce, nudged Bruce into becoming the Batman throughout his upbringing, then in his mind, he'd spend the remainder of his wasted life to ruin Martha and Thomas' legacy, hoping they were watching from the afterlife. OR, as Bruce grew older, Alfred realized he wanted a child of his own, but was too old, didn't have any cash or woman, and felt he had basically raised Bruce anyway, so he killed Thomas and Martha.
Either way, it's possible. There are 3 Jokers after all, afaik.. Not totally up to date, but I remember Batman sitting in the Mobius Chair, asking who the Joker was, when it said there were 3 different Jokers.
Alfred would have to be a reality warper in order to spend time in arkham asylum while simultaneously being at Wayne manor having cream cheese and bagels prepared for master Bruce's breakfast the next morning. Only a 5th Dimension imp could pull off such a feat.
Yeah, these things are often just novel ideas, but looking into them you can see they don't really work. But if someone were to make a new continuity where this is true, it could work if they could iron out the Arkham imprisonment stuff with the butler job.
@@Xegethra there's more than one joker 🃏 at once , that's why joker ain't scared of death , or jail
Characters like clayface make things like this possible.
But there is 3 jokers lol
He pays another criminal to take his place. They agree since they know they’ll be out in a few weeks a month tops
"Huh, weird, Joker's in jail, and Alfred is suddenly missing, hmm."
Dorlky did a video where Alfred hired actors to be the villains Batman fought to help Bruce get over the death of his parents.
Actually, Alfred could have simply paid a body double to play the Joker when both are required simultaneously present.
If alfred was the Joker, Batman would be "the batman who laughs"
I like this. Alfred being The Joker is the ultimate plot twist
It may have been, but this was just executed in a stupid manner. It was all just to make Bruce feel good about himself, and all the other criminals in the Rogue's Gallery were just friends of Alfred who became murderers just to make some rich kid feel happy? No, no no no no no. This could have been the greatest story in all Batman's history, but it was just done so poorly. The writer had the best possible idea, but didn't bother to try to make it any good.
'Jar Jar Binks is a Sith Lord' would've been too, but Lucas buckled under the backlash.
Stupid plot twists shouldn't exist. Plot twists don't automatically make something good or better.
Nah the ultimate plot twist is if Bruce's mom was the joker bet you'd never see that coming lol
@@rockk9753 I would see it coming. It literally happens in the comics lol.
If this were to happen, I could see it as Alfred not even KNOWING he's the Joker and vice versa. Also, it would be interesting if Joker didn't have Alfred's knowledge which would explain why Joker couldn't have taken advantage of things. This would also explain why Bruce could never kill the Joker. Even if it was only out of instinct, he might realize that killing Joker meant that Alfred was never coming back. The opportunities that come from this are very interesting. But somehow I doubt we'll get anything like that anytime soon.
I never liked the "Batman is crazy" depiction. Batman has always and again recently explained in the comics that it wasn't just the death of his parents that inspired him to do this. It's understanding that this is what every single person who loses someone to senseless crime goes through. And he wanted to make sure that no one suffered like that again. It didn't take long for him to realize that the criminal justice system didn't work. Black Gate is corrupt, Arkham is a revolving door, and metahumans were on the rise.
Learning martial arts and self defense was the beginning, but after getting into peak human shape and advancing into more and more hidden/elite forms of martial arts, was when he started to see the idea of becoming an image. He's not just an idiot that dresses up like a bat because he's emotionally unhinged or something, he is one of the most intelligent men in his world, and possibly the universe. (Yes, he's out smarted aliens on numerous occasions)
So yeah, the Batman that recently survived re-entry without a space suit and no vehicle is my Batman. You can all have the Batman as presented in things like Harley Quinn.
Batman is definitely crazy
Hmmm, let's see here: his mind was instantly racked with a combination of guilt and vengeance the night he watched his parents get killed as an eight year old kid, he goes out every night and beats the s#%t out of criminals while dressed as a giant bat and he constantly puts twelve year old kids in mortal danger by hiring them as his sidekicks. Yeah, he's clearly not all there.
Emotionally broken, yes. Crazy, not so much.
Batman is crazy in the sense that what he does is dangerous as hell but not mentally insane though probably saying he’s mentally unstable would be very true
Has anyone ever told you the definition of insanity? It's when you do the same thing over and over but expect a different outcome, THAT my friend is crazy. - Vaas Far Cry 3
Could you imagine how hard it would be to hide this from Bruce? Batmans always breaking bones.
Only way I could see this as a Canonical story would be Classic Batman TV show where it was silly Batman and Silly Joker
Imagine a council of Alfred's using booster gold tech to create a society of Alfred's to keep the illusion up. When one dies, another pops up
I’m sorry but this possibly the worst possible idea ever. That would mean Alrphred killed his adopted grandson (Jason) Crippled and sexually assaulted Barbra and murdered countless people just to entertain Bruce.
This is the true heart breaking 💔 painful thing batman will never recover from ever broken heart 💔 batman 💔
8:53 "Even his former sidekicks wouldn't be able to sit idly by as their mentor turned darker and darker." Correct mostly, but I think Jason Todd as Red Hood would be ALL about it.
Alfred is not joker because on the vampire series joker was a vampire in a cage in the bat cave while Alfred was next to bruce
In the flashpoint, Martha Wayne does not die. She becomes the joker.
The Joker is Thomas Wayne. He survived the gunshot but got amnesia lol
Keep in mind that the joker had clay face portray him in the games and he became a mutated super villain and Bruce killed him but what if he faked his death and kidnapped Alfred and has been playing batman to finally break him
8.18 - 8.23 , you said the Thomas Wayne Batman saw his wife & son die during a mugging ,but that is wrong as in the Flashpoint it was kid Bruce who get killed in the mugging while his wife was transform into the Joker ,,
Nah, Alfred was just gaslighting people into thinking he's The Joker in batman's funeral
Meanwhile the joker is sit in audience who listening to this. Is it another actor that Alfred made and the job is finished now that Bruce died.?
This and the version of alfred where every time bruce died alfred would bring out a clone to replace him are my two favorite else world styles of the story
It would make more sense if Alfred hired various actors/stunt people to play the parts of the various rogues gallery players using a sizable inheritance he received from the Waynes. He helps Bruce heal by creating various characters and schemes to keep him motivated and engaged both mentally and physically instead of broken down and depressed. Alfred creates the schemes with the help of some very talented writers, directors and choreographers like a Hollywood production. Alfred sends them a message when Bruce is on his way. Then, the coup de grace, people get hurt (well-paid stunt people) but nobody ever dies because that’s the one thing Bruce refuses to do!
How does that even make sense??
I think I saw this topic somewhere earlier on RUclips but I didn't click on it.
Watch the video. It’s not cannon though
I see it more as for a time Alfred was the Joker. Going down the route of being non-deadly (AKA say the old 60's show route). However, when one little stunt in a certain toxic chemicals factory went wrong and a certain someone fell into a vat of chemicals, Alfred stopped and rescued the man. Apologized in remorse for his stunt mentioning he was playing this character named "The Clown". Then the rest is history. Alfred stopped and The Joker came to be
At the same time Jason Todd would be so messed up even more than Bruce mainly because all the bay family would realize that Alfred killed his technical grandson and then Jason would realize he put a gun to someone who helped him
This is such a creative twist! I don’t think t should be done in cannon comics, but I think it’s beyond creative
Not really, it's just some edgelords subversion
It can be canon in it's own continuity. There is no one version of any character.
Could work as it’s own universe
A creative twist executed really poorly.
@@thewanderingwizard9848 In context it doesn't even make sense. We've seen Alfred and the Joker share scene time, even once when he was captured and jokerized by him.
Plus it just comes off as edgy in a needlessly mean spirited way, making the one father figure in bruces life to be his worst enemy.
You can tell elseworld stories of other versions of the joker, such as the flashpoint one where bruce dies, and his mother becomes the joker. But this context just makes no sense over the entire course of the batman mythos.
New AU: The Butler Who Laughs 👻
itd be wild
alfred piping harley the whole time too
my only question is to when we saw joker in jail and the fights are brutal so the injuries would show.
if it was real, damn man. just damn.
I nearly choke on my jawbreaker while reading the pipping part
Love this theory. It could also be stretched that while Alfred may have invented the Joker, he could have sparked a revolution of copy cat villains who took up the joker mantle and the persona spiraled out of control from there, hence the 3 Jokers plot.
And coincidentally Alfred took an unannounced vacation every time the Joker was sent to Arkham
I feel like in this Alternate universe, the Joker and the other villains crafted by Alfred and Co. would all be harmless to civilians, but have things like fake bombs and possible actor hostages to keep Bruce occupied. Alfred doesn't seem to be the type to put others in harm's way for one person's pleasure, but that observation is from my limited amount of knowledge of the DC multiverse.
4:42 unless all the people that you thought died in the show, didn't actually died and were also actors who acted like they go killed imagine how much of the show, in terms of violence, could have just been actors.
Alfred do this beacos wont batman have a reason to fight and batman know there why bat dont kill joker
I'm honestly surprised y'all just made a video for this
1:35 Riddler looks like Steve-O here
Honestly if he was the joker then it would show just how much Alfred loved him. And really anyone who is willing to do something like this for the sake of someone else even if the one that finds out would never want to speak to them again is not that bad of a person
Neil Gaiman is such a great storyteller
Even Almighty Alfred can't be in two places at once. And we've seen Alfred and The Joker in the same room at the same time before.
Nah there is no fucking way harlequin would be able to keep her mouth shut on that lol
Actually, it is possible that he may have been the first joker, because there are three jokers supposedly different people playing the joker in the Batman universe that was recently revealed, and only two names have been revealed, and Mr. pennyworth was not one of them, so it is entirely possible that with the Jack Napier and pennyworth, and I can’t remember the third one’s name it could very well be true and part
good fan comic never be canon but still good
If it was canon it would have to be multiple jokers
The reason the Jokers face is distorted is because he's deformed. You can't hide that or imitate it. The jokers ticks and mannerisms (psychopath unrestrained) are know to BM, also his voice and smell. There is no way the world " greatest detective " would screw that up.
Not if there are 2 Jokers ..
The Alfred Joker could easily be the classic Joker of Adam West.
A goofy caper creator with Riddler, Penguin, ect.
No one gets hurt its all staged ect, but same time the classic joker can accidentally incite a troubled inspiration of new blood and wonton destruction, meaning Alfred could be the OG goofy Joker, and can also heighten a New version of The Joker via a 3rd party. A onlooker on the preformed chaos.
The New Joker sees its all and act becomes a victim, and snaps laughing talking to himself about the paradox of life is like a panel a comic strip
Just a joke where God watches the world burn
Thus the actual Joker is born and Alfred can retire such a dark but caring chapter.
there are 3 jokers and i think it is cannon but 1 or 2 of the 3 were killed by jason todd
Actually 3 Jokers...Alfred (obviously the funny one), Jack Napier and Jack White
Alfred as Joker is Completely Nutz
Alfred as joker stopped Bruce from becoming the Batman who laughs before even revealing he’s the joker.. that’s a hero right there even if he did all that wrong
I can see this truly happening in the canon serious because in reality it like the butler, like he is, there’s been a serving to the family for so many years is century I can see him turn into a villain to help Bruce find his way in life
The indirect way of keeping Bruce safe.
Given Alfred time with the SAS he more than has the skills to pull this off.
I just might cry and yell "Noooooo!!😭😭
The biggest problem is, the Joker tries to get batman to kill him. What if one day he succeeds? What would that do to the bat?
Haha
Joker as Alfred possible but not with the pennyworth military history that won British and American highest awards. Alfred playing joker and hiring his whole rouges gallery - just the jokers kill count makes Alfred ( the let alone his buddies) the highest form of social paths the world has ever seen.
i was gonna say this would be the craziest canon twist
Bruces mom didnr die with him on flash point she was the joker
Quite honestly, I'd be down to watch an adaptation of an Elseworlds where Alfred is secretly the Joker...or as the Dorkly channel once proposed, if not being Joker, then a version where Alfred is secretly the real crime lord of Gotham who employs Joker and others to facilitate Bruce's mental ill health.
Alfred beats Jason Todd to death, “now this will keep Master Bruce alive and sane :)”
Haha
is a comic version of the dorkly video where alfred reveals he hired actor. same concept. alfred saw how much joy being batman was for Bruce but was afraid the moment there was no crime left...he'd break down.
take a shot every time he switches between Alfred and ALL-Fred
Best plot twist evermade
Why are people doing this? Painting strength as weakness and weakness as strength? Good being painted as evil and evil being portrayed as being some misunderstood form of good?
All of a sudden the strongest minds are now the weakest? Instead of someone focusing their mind and taking up responsibility as an act of therapy (which has been proven to be the most productive way of overcoming trauma - see congnitive therapy et al) heroes are being painted as being the weakest of minds?
Alfred being the Joker is the dumbest twist I've ever heard... And I'm all for it.
This all just one step away from none of it being real and all just all in Bruce's head as he lives in Arkham after a breakdown as a child after witnessing his parents murder and blaming himself.
Far out man haha, btw neat name? haha.
You cut out the twist. Alfred is just bullshitting this story out to some of Batman's villains to literally gaslight them lol
Gaslighting sucks
Interesting name? btw haha.
@@Drew-hl3mc ty? Lmao
i have one thing to say the three jokers story line to the end plus there are 2 bat family members not accounted for Damián and redhood who both are known to sway more towards the brutal side im sure redhood does kill and Damián raised and trained by his mother which if im not wrong is head of the demons head at the time of raising him
I'm glad this isn't cannon, this would just make Bruce look like such a spoiled brat, like he's so rich, to cope with his parents loss, he gets to play superhero while his butler plans out scenarios
Dorkly called this YEARS ago.
Can you do a video about the doom patrol and heroes from image and dark horse
More proof that could tell us that the Joker is Alfred is that the Joker known about Batman’s secret identity for awhile and kills anyone who dare spills the beans about his identity.
Kinda wish the explanation wasn't that Alfred just wanted Bruce to keep busy and be happy but instead that when Bruce went to train as a ninja Alfred had lost his mind being all alone and decided to keep himself busy and happy by using his money to create a criminal organization
...yeah, and that also would have meant that Alfred was the one who beat Jason Todd to death with a crowbar. And paralyzed Barbara Gordon. This literally CAN'T be. The implications are too massive.
It would also mean he manipulated a psychiatrist with a promising career into becoming psychotic herself, and fall in love with him, and then tortured her on a regular basis, and when she wanted to leave, convinced her to stay so he could torture her some more.
It also means he willingly tried to help actual criminals and alien villains in plots that couldve resulted in global disasters. And of course in the conquering of the world's nations, which also means he is a traitor to his two nations he has citizenship in, the UK and the US.
Also his plan doesnt explain Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Man-bat and other actual SUPERvillains on Batman's rogues gallery. And of course, being in Arkham ASYLUM means that those people have been tested and determined truly insane by actual professional psychologists specailizing in criminal insanity, and it wouldve had to happen to most of them many times over.
It would be an absolutely amazing galaxy brain level twist if it were real.
The main proof Alfred is the joker is that the joker have clean teeth
I don't dive in too deep into the comics or canon, but isn't one of the stories about Joker's identity about how Batman revealed that he knew the ID 90 minutes after they first met?
Alfred going out to ask his hulking friends to completly destroy Batman's spinal cord so that he doesn't get depressed:🚶
also not possible because bruce said in one comic that he knew jokers identity the whole time but didn't see the need to say anything or something along those lines
If Alfred was the Joker it would be the biggest betrayal in history besides Judas.
By the storyline Alfred killed Jason, shot Barbara too then
Alfred would have to have the powers of a time lord for any of this to make sense. At the very least he’d need to a super genius with super speed to accomplish an impossible number of tasks in such a short time. As is, the amount of tasks he already does for the Bat family supersede the believable.
It would of been shocking.
The world's greatest detective didn't know that.
Nice
If the story was that Alfred created the Joker, maybe. That Alfred IS the Joker, nope. Batman has beat the crap out of the Joker and even broken bones. No way would anyone be able to hide all that damage.
That would be sad and sick...smh
Def A Twist
Wish DC would make a animated movie on this
This would make a badass Batman movie
I first learned about this from "tails gets trolled"
he knows Alfred is joker that's why he refuses to kill him
I'm sorry Master todd... (Raises crowbar)
I just think of this as an alternate universe
This is so cool
in one regard it would explain a lot as to why the joker is obsessed with batman and don’t care to know who batman identity is
Rather interesting. Love the idea. Some areas would make more sense.
This would make a amazing movie!!!!