I agree...Lots of estates finds artifacts and antiquties getting thrown away just because the kids either have no intrest or no idea what they are!...Thanks for sharing with us the old collections are always interesting to see
That is so true and I value all artifacts whether I found them or not. I am only a temporary caretakers of these things. I enjoy them while I am here, hopefully the next person that caretakes them enjoys them just as much as I did.
Those gouges are the rarest of the rare to find in my area. I have a friend who found a perfect one in a field we both used to look on. That year we found a total of 11 adzes, celts, and axes and that one gouge on that field. The farmer shanked it deep to about 2' in depth and this brought up all those hardstone tools. I never had a year like that again.
That's another good question, here's my answer. I believe that they would make preforms and use them as knives and scrapers first, then they would reduce it further into a point if they needed one. They also would leave caches of preforms in seasonally visited camps. This saved them from having to search out knapping materials every time they stayed at that camp. I have found a cache of preforms once on a campsite a few years ago, so this was proof enough for me.
That was a good save, Ken. I consider the three or four collections that I have had the distinct priveledge of purchasing over the years to be saves of sorts as well. The wife and kids don't want them, so the oldtimers were looking for someone who appreciated and treasured their efforts. The kids from church come over for pingpong night, and the boxes come out of storage and they dig through them. Nothing like a kid with pockets full of kwartz brokes and scrapers. A new generation inspired.
Craig you inspired this video and I'm glad you checked it out. I agree, it is so hard to imagine anyone wanting to just toss this stuff in the rubbish. I wanted you to see that we do find lots of axes, celts, and adzes here in the northeast. I finding less now because the potato fields I look on have harvesters that gather up all the rocks and they are dumped in huge piles at the ends of the fields. I spend a lot of time looking those piles over every year.
Wow - what a haul - I could see those Lamoka beveled adzes from a mile away! I only found one (so far) here in Pa. I could also see a lot of Onondaga lithics in the box'o points! Waaaay cool! Lucky you - glad to see them rescued from a terrible fate! Strange how the Lamoka adze seems to have so much effort into it, but the Lamoka points were made(mostly) with some of the ugliest lithics they could find! (at least here in my area of Pa. LOL!) Most also look "crude", with a few exceptions!
That is just a stunning collection you rescued!! I cant even imagine getting a phone call to come pick up this before it goes to the dump, what on earth was he thinking but at least he rang you instead of tossing it.. I really like that chart of the 6 stages of making a point, great idea for people to understand how there made.. Awesome vid Ken
I really enjoy artifacts and these are some really good ones. They were found before the plowing and the equipment changed to what is used now. This was a time when you could find larger things. Now all we find are really small arrowheads, most of the larger ones are broken by the farm equipment. Hey I will PM you, I have some good news! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Ken that is one Amazing rescue. Geee now you can sneak up on those finds and not Scare them, you have that paleo look to you LOL. I'll get to the PO monday to send off the Package great vid man.
We have always put what we call pooter points and common tools on our pet cemetery as they were with my wife and I when we found them and it gives our children and grandchildren a chance to experience a wide selection of our ancestors tools and implements. It also gives us a chance to relive old memories of our 4 legged family and the artifacts we found with them!
Super rescue paleoman!!! That makes me nauseous to think about that stuff in the trash!!! Very cool thanks for sharing!!! Hopefully i wont have nightmares tonight!!!
Wow what a save hard to think someone was going to throw all them fine artifacts away. Lot of nice stuff there and a lot of time and effort for someone to collect it. I could sit for days and look at and study all that stuff. Looks as if you have a nice collection your self. I don't seem to find them here in Tennessee. Glad you saved them and thanks for the educational show. Billie thetnrelichunter
what tragedy to have lost that collection to the landfill. you were lucky and so were the artifacts . those are gouges are the second time I have seen any. One of the farms I hunt on the owner showed me a gouge he had found , in pristine G 10 condition 9 or10" long ,He is a collector and has many points Etc. he had found. It's gratifing to Know these objects are being saved. Thanks for sharing Ken-----Butch
Wow, lucky you. I just started collecting last year when I dug up a scraper in my flower bed - in the city. I have been tearing up our yard looking for more, I'm hooked! I wish I had access to fields nearby.
Our potato fields also have piles of these stones out the back of the sheds and then buried as rubbish with everything else but recently my cousin bought a potato farm and hoping to go threw the pile one day, i can only imagine the hard stone there if not buried all ready
What a blessing that you were able to save so much history! Nearly as amazing as all the knowledge I gained from watching the video!! This is the first video I have seen that you produced; however, i am subscribing in hopes that you are still making videos!! Thank you
It makes sense that they would quickly hack out preforms at the quarry and perfect them later in camp with a different set of tools. The preform would keep them from having to carry around a chunk of raw material and as Ken said, they would use the preforms as knives and such till they needed a new point. Thank you Gentlemen for answering my question! So Gary, what did the natives in your area smoke in their pipes?
I actually rescues those a couple of years ago, but every time I look at that collection it is like Christmas for me. When I think of all the hours that were spent walking fields in search of all those artifacts it is mind boggling.
There are no dumb questions Glen, I have heard that many native people used to make up a blend of different things called kinnickinnick (possible spelling) This had all types of natural things in it, it could contain red osier dogwood, arrowroot, red sumac, laurel, ironwood, wahoo, squaw huckleberry, Indian tobacco, Jamestown weed, black birch, cherry bark, corn, and mullein. This would vary with each tribe that made it.
These collections so often get cherry picked to death after the collector passes away and what is left is often tossed out. In the case of the collection I showed here, the very best part of it was kept in the house and the kids divided that up. They had no interest in what was in the old shed and that is what I recovered. I really treasure this collection because I knew the collector very well and he was the one that explained all the different types to me when I started looking for them.
I haven't found a whole celt in a while, but back in the middle 1980's I used to find a few every year. I always keep my eyes open for them when I'm out walking fields. So far no celt finds this year.
Thanks Billie, I have been interested in artifacts since 1983 when my Dad gave me a small hand full of arrowheads that my Grandfather had found when he was a teenager plowing fields with a team of mules back in the 1890's. From that time I have been studying these artifacts and trying to learn as much as I can about them and the people that made them. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, I had fun making it.
Killer case of your work and LoL Hilarious intro camo face Ken!! Thats the save of all saves, Wow! And I thought I did good one time and saved three points including a nice sized Etley from a fish aquarium sittin on top of a trash can!! Are those bevelled adge adzes the same thing as faceted adzes? Looks like it, wish we found 'em around here. Great vid !
Heard of an elderly lady that took all those wooden sticks (bamboo flyrods) that her husband collected and put them in the burn-barrel in the yard - poooof - up in smoke! Yikes/ouch - that hurts just thinking about it, and you always hear about AFTERWARDS!!!!! Yeah, my other vice is fly-fishing, so that one smarted a little!
A dumpster is no place for such fine artifacts, I'm glad I could save what meant a lot to the fellow that spend numerous hours collecting them. These stones have a story to tell and hopefully they'll never get in that situation again.
I don't know if Hurricane Sandy, my wife would agree that the man cave is his and hers, haha! Flintspall it did require a lot of effort, my van was full of heavy boxes and I had to load and unload it. There were many more boxes of hammerstones and all sorts of fossils and even a huge collection of quartz points that I didn't show. I guess the fellow traveled south and hunted some fields down that way. I was glad to do my part and save these beautiful creations from being lost in garbage.
Thanks for your rescue of these beautiful works of the ancient peoples of your region. What a loss that would have been. Thanks for taking the time to identify the differences in the stone tools. Truly eye opening insight to the various designs and uses of these examples of the creation for differing examples for a variety of needs.
I've heard you say that many times, and in truth, that is what we are really doing. I'm sure that the creators of all these amazing things would be honored to know how much we appreciate the things they made and how we take good care of them for future generations to enjoy. I would love to know the story behind all of this stuff I got. These people were true survivors and mastered stone working to their benefit.
I agree Jonzi, you'd have to be nuts not to be intrigued by these cool rocks. I was really lucky that the guy thought to call me to see if I wanted this stuff. I love hardstone tools and this was a bonanza of them. Besides what I showed there were a lot of large metates (mill stones) and other reaaly cool artifacts. Thanks for watching Buddy, and good luck with your trade war with Ponhunt17!
I know, I really like picking up these pieces and looking at them and wondering what the persons life was like when he/she made that artifact. They sure are amazing and I am so glad I was able to save these pieces of the past from becoming part of a landfill. Thanks for watching!
+Paleoman52 Absolutely! Good save! I'm always looking in fields& along river&creek banks, bringing stuff home& handling them like a miser with his hoard of gold coins. Haha. They're not only tools, they're art.
That very cool that you saved them from being lost forever Ken! I has a dumb question probably but what did they smoke in those pipes? Would tobacco grow in NY? Or did they smoke something else?
hey ken,i think this is a great vid. i cant imagine anyone putting those artifacts in the dumpster,wow. glad you saved them and they are saved for now. let me know if anyone else wants to dump anymore,ill take them.lol thanks again jet
#1-- Well the first one by, with pickup will get a metate collection when I go, that's for sure !! LOL But I hear what you say !! Had an old rockhound bud that my pal Russ toted around into his nineties, taking him on all his rockhunts after he'd lost his confidence in driving , for every hunt for 10 years before his death !! The old gent was an absolute GOLD MINE of general knowledge and info on sites and rich rock hunting grounds !!! [ see #2]
Wow!!!....I'm sure the old man would be smiling knowing his treasures didn't make it to the dumpster.... Amazing group of artifacts!!!!...awesome save Ken!! You've got some nice hardstone too!Love the faceted Adzes....only ever seen one like that around here...
That was my thoughts on museums exactly, ive seen videos of the warehouses, the Smithsonian has that people will never see probably....my kids will get mine for sure too, along with detailed descriptions of what they are and where I got them...
I'm glad he thought they were just a bunch of weird shaped rocks and didn't care about them, because I really like them and I'm glad to have them, but the dumpster is not a good second choice, that's for sure. The cool part about that collection is that other than those Quartzies he had, all those pieces came from right around my area, and I got a look at what guys were finding 50 years ago. I knew I was born too late, haha!
So glad you rescued the history & work and loving interests of the father & grandfather of your friend! Also enjoyed the "stages of making a point"! I'll be back for review to make sure I retain the info...I'm a newbie, trying to "catch up" with all you experienced hunters, sharing your videos here! (I'm not much into tech everything, but, it can bring peeps together and share a lot of knowledge that is akin to the ancient tradition of "storytelling"! A lost art form, for sure!) Enjoying it very much! THANK YOU!!
Thanks so much for your wonderful comments Martha, I love to hear from folks that watch my videos. My life is pretty much shown here on my youtube channel. I'm enjoying life and I love to share the things I do here. Have a great day!
What a treasure trove! Incredible to think that someone was considering throwing those away...agh! Glad you got them. You're gonna have to try for some more even tanning...looking kinda splotchy, and you can't hide all of that gray beard, LOL!
I have two kids Glen that will probably want all my stuff, and hopefully they won't sell it all and buy new cars, haha. Never give your collections to a museum because it will end up for the most part sitting in a dark corner of a musty basement and never looked at or appreciated. Artifacts are very special things, they are gifts from a civilization from and earlier time, and each one is personal. When you hold an artifact in your hand you make a human connection to another person from the past.
now i know why you and Nearlich look in the dumps lol. those who read my comments at all know that i call it rescuing artifacts all the time. every piece has a story behind it, just wish i knew what the full story was behind the pieces that i find.great rescue Ken for sure buddy. L8TER. ->>>------->
I know for sure that the guy that collected all that stuff would be horrified if he thought for a minute that there was any possibility that they could end up as trash in a landfill. Those beveled adzes are the norm in my area and I have even made one of those before. The original makers used Greenstone that was deposited here off the Canadian shield. This stuff was transported here via 10 - 12 glacial advances and retreats. All of our rocks in my area are Canadian in origin.
Paleoman52 hey I’m from Thunder Bay (in north western Ontario) and I’ve been attempting to knap. So far the only flint that I’ve found is from our river rock in our garden and it’s all stuff that people say is hard to work with. Do you think there’s a better chance of me finding decent flint/ chert to work with if I look around outside, and what areas are good to look for flint? There’s a river by my house that I think I’m going to look at.
I know, can you imagine even considering putting those things in a dumpster? You would think the guy would at least haul them out to the edge of their property and return them to nature, but a dumpster??? No way! I'll be sure to take good care of these cool artifacts!
I have many artifacts but don't know what they are.I recognize scrapers, knives, and points. But I found an axed snaped larger stone with some grooves in it and fits perfect in your hand.
Hi , dont know if you are still getting notifications after this long, but I want to know what YOU are going to do with your stuff? I too have two rescued collections, none as large or fine, but saved from the dumpster nonetheless. We've been amassing this stuff for decades, no? I dont have kids, others who I know are my contemporaries; our time left is short. My local county museum has stacks of unseen, undisplayed, wonderful artifacts donated by the early settlers families.....no one gets to appreciate them!!! Thanks to the internet at least private collections such as yours can be videoed and hence shared by others who are inclined to seek out such content. I'm happy to keep at the business of searching and saving what I can, but after almost 40 years I do wonder what to do with it all BEFORE I am not able to decide......I would never RIP if my saves wound up in a landfill!!!!!
The thing that scares me is how often this might occur when a person that is totally uninterested in these stones does throw them out. It was fortunate that these wonderful and interesting artifacts didn't have that fate. Thanks for the comments Joe!
Thanks for the comments David Straub! I agree with those observations, the beveled adzes they made were beautifully sculptured and polished but the Lamoka points are the crudest points I find. Most of the time they don't have finished bases and some are 3 sided. In my latest video I find a crude Lamoka point and it has a huge stack on it for its size. I'm really glad the guy thought to call me before he chucked all this stuff out, he knew I liked artifacts so I was his first choice.
One more question Ken and anyone else reading this, you said we should make plans to pass on our collections when we go, what are the plans for this and the rest of your collection? Museums probably would only want G10 stuff and rare stuff im sure....
Get your name out there Ray so that people know you like this stuff and maybe someday someone will get you to clean out their shed full of rocks too. A lot of stuff has been found in my area of the Genesee Valley, and there are lots of collections out there. You never know when someone might ask you if you are interested in them. Thanks for watching my friend!
Well then, another amature question for ya. Why did they make preforms? I mean, why did they make a preform and stop? Why didnt they just make complete pieces? It seems like they made as many preforms and lost them, as they did complete pieces. I understand, they probably made rough preforms at the quarry and finished them later in camp, but it seems like they lost as many preforms as they finished or am I missing something?
Now that's funny - kinda'! Tell her if she doesn't want to have to dust them off all the time, that I've volunteered to take them off her hands - cuz that's how I roll ! LOL!
I've also heard it argued that some folks may have practiced specialization of labor as some ONLY made preforms that they then traded and others finished !! AND They smoked three different kinds of tobacco out west here !!! Also weed I'm convinced !!! You think Sativa was just a wild weed ??? LOL
The gouge was mainly a wood working tool. These were used to hollow out a log to make a log canoe and also to make a wooden bowls. The process to do this was interesting. First they would char the area by burning it then using the gouge to chip out the area that was charred. This was repeated until the object was hollowed out as much as they wished. They also were most likely fastened in a handle so it could be swung like an adze. So you guess that it was a chisel is correct. Have a wonderful Christmas and thanks so much for watching! :)
Right on! Thanks Indychief78 for watching! It felt great to be field walking this time of year. I'm definitely going back while the weather holds and who knows I might find something more.
Hey Ken! Listening and watching this footage now. I CANNOT IMAGINE pitching that stuff into the garbage. Stunned. Cry. I feel for the people and boxes which have been lost again to history... THAT bunch alone would have merited a separate place in your collection all alone!! To think, I began collecting in 2012.
AND A PASSIVE/AGRESSIVE attitude toward the deceased person's stuff !!! LOL Seen wives THROW AWAY stuff they KNEW HAD VALUE after a husbands death or else sold for peanuts to a stranger just for spite !!! LOL LOL
#2-- Russ was out of town when the old noble gent passed. Russ came to pay his respects to the widow and found weasels from the Rockhound Club, that had not even spoken to the old guy in decades, had usurped his entire collection, including the last tens years worth and much more, promised to my bud Russ !!! lol "Weasels Ripped My Flesh* " !!! lol lol * An album Frank Zappa and the MOI did in the 60s !!! lol lol
Haha Sounds like one JERK OF A SON !!! Maybe some huge unresolved "father issues" at work !!! lol lol Whatever the reason , Great Catch !!! Thinking about those pestles almost getting tossed makes me want to go slug my son , JUST THINKING ABOUT IT !!! LOL LOL
Thank you for saving there beautiful artifacts! I’m trying to do this as well. I want to find some museums or colleges that will take car of them and display them. Thanks again for sharing!
I have donated a lot of this stuff to a local museum since this video was made, sorry! I made this video 6 years ago and most of this is gone now. I kept some of the pieces I really liked though.
I know this video is a bit old, but man..... I'm glad you saved this stuff. phew, I wouldn't be able to sleep knowing this much history laying in a land fill.
+walter Baranowski I was so glad that the fellow called me and didn't just throw it all in the dumpster because there was so much that would have been lost. I still enjoy looking through this wonderful collection and I admire the workmanship that was put into each piece. You have to wonder how often things like this do get thrown out.
Yep, that's me! A good friend of mine from Norway shot this video one summer while he was visiting the states and it was a journalism class project. I thought he did a really nice job on it. That's what the real Paleoman52 looks like, pretty scary, huh? haha!
I may continue to keep the appearance of Paleoman52 a mystery but at some point in time I may turn the camera on the real me with no mask. I've noticed that many of us have tried to maintain a hidden appearance and that others choose to show themselves. I've never been one to want to draw any attention to myself but more to the work that I do. Time will tell, keep watching!
Haha! You saw my gray beard, huh? I guess there is no hiding that thing. Yep, I definitely need to even out that tan, Jonzi has me running scared, with his potential for a sneak attack, LOL, so I need to keep the camo on when out of the safety of my cave. Those are some pretty incredible artifacts and I really enjoy them, I'm so glad the guy thought to call me first before tossing them. Good thing I was around to answer my phone!
I agree...Lots of estates finds artifacts and antiquties getting thrown away just because the kids either have no intrest or no idea what they are!...Thanks for sharing with us the old collections are always interesting to see
That is so true and I value all artifacts whether I found them or not. I am only a temporary caretakers of these things. I enjoy them while I am here, hopefully the next person that caretakes them enjoys them just as much as I did.
Those gouges are the rarest of the rare to find in my area. I have a friend who found a perfect one in a field we both used to look on. That year we found a total of 11 adzes, celts, and axes and that one gouge on that field. The farmer shanked it deep to about 2' in depth and this brought up all those hardstone tools. I never had a year like that again.
That's another good question, here's my answer. I believe that they would make preforms and use them as knives and scrapers first, then they would reduce it further into a point if they needed one. They also would leave caches of preforms in seasonally visited camps. This saved them from having to search out knapping materials every time they stayed at that camp. I have found a cache of preforms once on a campsite a few years ago, so this was proof enough for me.
That was a good save, Ken. I consider the three or four collections that I have had the distinct priveledge of purchasing over the years to be saves of sorts as well. The wife and kids don't want them, so the oldtimers were looking for someone who appreciated and treasured their efforts. The kids from church come over for pingpong night, and the boxes come out of storage and they dig through them. Nothing like a kid with pockets full of kwartz brokes and scrapers. A new generation inspired.
Craig you inspired this video and I'm glad you checked it out. I agree, it is so hard to imagine anyone wanting to just toss this stuff in the rubbish. I wanted you to see that we do find lots of axes, celts, and adzes here in the northeast. I finding less now because the potato fields I look on have harvesters that gather up all the rocks and they are dumped in huge piles at the ends of the fields. I spend a lot of time looking those piles over every year.
Love your videos!! Short, informative and well done. Thanks.
Wow - what a haul - I could see those Lamoka beveled adzes from a mile away! I only found one (so far) here in Pa. I could also see a lot of Onondaga lithics in the box'o points! Waaaay cool! Lucky you - glad to see them rescued from a terrible fate! Strange how the Lamoka adze seems to have so much effort into it, but the Lamoka points were made(mostly) with some of the ugliest lithics they could find! (at least here in my area of Pa. LOL!) Most also look "crude", with a few exceptions!
WOW!! Sure am glad you saved them awesome facts from being lost!!! I've always wanted to find a celt!! Very kool one and all!!
Holy cow that's a awesome collection I wished I could get that lucky lol there's some beautiful pieces in there
That is just a stunning collection you rescued!! I cant even imagine getting a phone call to come pick up this before it goes to the dump, what on earth was he thinking but at least he rang you instead of tossing it.. I really like that chart of the 6 stages of making a point, great idea for people to understand how there made.. Awesome vid Ken
I really enjoy artifacts and these are some really good ones. They were found before the plowing and the equipment changed to what is used now. This was a time when you could find larger things. Now all we find are really small arrowheads, most of the larger ones are broken by the farm equipment. Hey I will PM you, I have some good news! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thx for sharing..great look at some great artifacts...I might start dumpster diving lol.
Ken that is one Amazing rescue. Geee now you can sneak up on those finds and not Scare them, you have that paleo look to you LOL. I'll get to the PO monday to send off the Package great vid man.
We have always put what we call pooter points and common tools on our pet cemetery as they were with my wife and I when we found them and it gives our children and grandchildren a chance to experience a wide selection of our ancestors tools and implements.
It also gives us a chance to relive old memories of our 4 legged family and the artifacts we found with them!
Super rescue paleoman!!! That makes me nauseous to think about that stuff in the trash!!! Very cool thanks for sharing!!! Hopefully i wont have nightmares tonight!!!
Wow what a save hard to think someone was going to throw all them fine artifacts away. Lot of nice stuff there and a lot of time and effort for someone to collect it. I could sit for days and look at and study all that stuff. Looks as if you have a nice collection your self. I don't seem to find them here in Tennessee. Glad you saved them and thanks for the educational show. Billie thetnrelichunter
oh my goodness... i saw the thumbnail and was like cool, a few artifacts... but you have more than a few! youre loaded! :) thats awesome!
what tragedy to have lost that collection to the landfill. you were lucky and so were the artifacts . those are gouges are the second time I have seen any. One of the farms I hunt on the owner showed me a gouge he had found , in pristine G 10 condition 9 or10" long ,He is a collector and has many points Etc. he had found. It's gratifing to Know these objects are being saved. Thanks for sharing Ken-----Butch
What a rescue! Cool stuff.
Great save and collection !!!
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Wow, lucky you. I just started collecting last year when I dug up a scraper in my flower bed - in the city. I have been tearing up our yard looking for more, I'm hooked! I wish I had access to fields nearby.
Our potato fields also have piles of these stones out the back of the sheds and then buried as rubbish with everything else but recently my cousin bought a potato farm and hoping to go threw the pile one day, i can only imagine the hard stone there if not buried all ready
What a blessing that you were able to save so much history! Nearly as amazing as all the knowledge I gained from watching the video!! This is the first video I have seen that you produced; however, i am subscribing in hopes that you are still making videos!! Thank you
I put a small collection of mine in the public library for folks to see. This is a scary thing to think of ...
I donated some of this to a local historical society.
I’m so thankful you rescued them
It makes sense that they would quickly hack out preforms at the quarry and perfect them later in camp with a different set of tools. The preform would keep them from having to carry around a chunk of raw material and as Ken said, they would use the preforms as knives and such till they needed a new point. Thank you Gentlemen for answering my question! So Gary, what did the natives in your area smoke in their pipes?
I actually rescues those a couple of years ago, but every time I look at that collection it is like Christmas for me. When I think of all the hours that were spent walking fields in search of all those artifacts it is mind boggling.
Wow, That is crazy that he was just going to throw that stuff away. you scored!
There are no dumb questions Glen, I have heard that many native people used to make up a blend of different things called kinnickinnick (possible spelling) This had all types of natural things in it, it could contain red osier dogwood, arrowroot, red sumac, laurel, ironwood, wahoo, squaw huckleberry, Indian tobacco, Jamestown weed, black birch, cherry bark, corn, and mullein. This would vary with each tribe that made it.
These collections so often get cherry picked to death after the collector passes away and what is left is often tossed out. In the case of the collection I showed here, the very best part of it was kept in the house and the kids divided that up. They had no interest in what was in the old shed and that is what I recovered. I really treasure this collection because I knew the collector very well and he was the one that explained all the different types to me when I started looking for them.
I haven't found a whole celt in a while, but back in the middle 1980's I used to find a few every year. I always keep my eyes open for them when I'm out walking fields. So far no celt finds this year.
Well done, man. You saved a tragedy.
Thanks Billie, I have been interested in artifacts since 1983 when my Dad gave me a small hand full of arrowheads that my Grandfather had found when he was a teenager plowing fields with a team of mules back in the 1890's. From that time I have been studying these artifacts and trying to learn as much as I can about them and the people that made them. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, I had fun making it.
Killer case of your work and LoL Hilarious intro camo face Ken!!
Thats the save of all saves, Wow! And I thought I did good one time and saved three points including a nice sized Etley from a fish aquarium sittin on top of a trash can!!
Are those bevelled adge adzes the same thing as faceted adzes? Looks like it, wish we found 'em around here. Great vid !
Good video!
Heard of an elderly lady that took all those wooden sticks (bamboo flyrods) that her husband collected and put them in the burn-barrel in the yard - poooof - up in smoke! Yikes/ouch - that hurts just thinking about it, and you always hear about AFTERWARDS!!!!! Yeah, my other vice is fly-fishing, so that one smarted a little!
Omg. I wish I had gotten that collection. That’s kinda valuable
A dumpster is no place for such fine artifacts, I'm glad I could save what meant a lot to the fellow that spend numerous hours collecting them. These stones have a story to tell and hopefully they'll never get in that situation again.
I don't know if Hurricane Sandy, my wife would agree that the man cave is his and hers, haha!
Flintspall it did require a lot of effort, my van was full of heavy boxes and I had to load and unload it. There were many more boxes of hammerstones and all sorts of fossils and even a huge collection of quartz points that I didn't show. I guess the fellow traveled south and hunted some fields down that way. I was glad to do my part and save these beautiful creations from being lost in garbage.
Thanks for your rescue of these beautiful works of the ancient peoples of your region. What a loss that would have been. Thanks for taking the time to identify the differences in the stone tools. Truly eye opening insight to the various designs and uses of these examples of the creation for differing examples for a variety of needs.
I've heard you say that many times, and in truth, that is what we are really doing. I'm sure that the creators of all these amazing things would be honored to know how much we appreciate the things they made and how we take good care of them for future generations to enjoy. I would love to know the story behind all of this stuff I got. These people were true survivors and mastered stone working to their benefit.
I agree Jonzi, you'd have to be nuts not to be intrigued by these cool rocks. I was really lucky that the guy thought to call me to see if I wanted this stuff. I love hardstone tools and this was a bonanza of them. Besides what I showed there were a lot of large metates (mill stones) and other reaaly cool artifacts. Thanks for watching Buddy, and good luck with your trade war with Ponhunt17!
All kinds of treasures, good for you! After watching this I have to go look at & handle mine again. Haha. Good stuff!
I know, I really like picking up these pieces and looking at them and wondering what the persons life was like when he/she made that artifact. They sure are amazing and I am so glad I was able to save these pieces of the past from becoming part of a landfill. Thanks for watching!
+Paleoman52 Absolutely! Good save! I'm always looking in fields& along river&creek banks, bringing stuff home& handling them like a miser with his hoard of gold coins. Haha. They're not only tools, they're art.
That very cool that you saved them from being lost forever Ken! I has a dumb question probably but what did they smoke in those pipes? Would tobacco grow in NY? Or did they smoke something else?
Really nice rescue
hey ken,i think this is a great vid.
i cant imagine anyone putting those artifacts in the dumpster,wow.
glad you saved them and they are saved for now.
let me know if anyone else wants to dump anymore,ill take them.lol
thanks again jet
#1-- Well the first one by, with pickup will get a metate collection when I go, that's for sure !! LOL But I hear what you say !! Had an old rockhound bud that my pal Russ toted around into his nineties, taking him on all his rockhunts after he'd lost his confidence in driving , for every hunt for 10 years before his death !! The old gent was an absolute GOLD MINE of general knowledge and info on sites and rich rock hunting grounds !!! [ see #2]
Wow!!!....I'm sure the old man would be smiling knowing his treasures didn't make it to the dumpster.... Amazing group of artifacts!!!!...awesome save Ken!!
You've got some nice hardstone too!Love the faceted Adzes....only ever seen one like that around here...
That was my thoughts on museums exactly, ive seen videos of the warehouses, the Smithsonian has that people will never see probably....my kids will get mine for sure too, along with detailed descriptions of what they are and where I got them...
I'm glad he thought they were just a bunch of weird shaped rocks and didn't care about them, because I really like them and I'm glad to have them, but the dumpster is not a good second choice, that's for sure. The cool part about that collection is that other than those Quartzies he had, all those pieces came from right around my area, and I got a look at what guys were finding 50 years ago. I knew I was born too late, haha!
your axe collection may have been small... but it grew considerable when you found those boxes!
So glad you rescued the history & work and loving interests of the father & grandfather of your friend! Also enjoyed the "stages of making a point"! I'll be back for review to make sure I retain the info...I'm a newbie, trying to "catch up" with all you experienced hunters, sharing your videos here! (I'm not much into tech everything, but, it can bring peeps together and share a lot of knowledge that is akin to the ancient tradition of "storytelling"! A lost art form, for sure!) Enjoying it very much! THANK YOU!!
Thanks so much for your wonderful comments Martha, I love to hear from folks that watch my videos. My life is pretty much shown here on my youtube channel. I'm enjoying life and I love to share the things I do here. Have a great day!
What a treasure trove! Incredible to think that someone was considering throwing those away...agh! Glad you got them. You're gonna have to try for some more even tanning...looking kinda splotchy, and you can't hide all of that gray beard, LOL!
I have two kids Glen that will probably want all my stuff, and hopefully they won't sell it all and buy new cars, haha. Never give your collections to a museum because it will end up for the most part sitting in a dark corner of a musty basement and never looked at or appreciated. Artifacts are very special things, they are gifts from a civilization from and earlier time, and each one is personal. When you hold an artifact in your hand you make a human connection to another person from the past.
now i know why you and Nearlich look in the dumps lol. those who read my comments at all know that i call it rescuing artifacts all the time. every piece has a story behind it, just wish i knew what the full story was behind the pieces that i find.great rescue Ken for sure buddy. L8TER. ->>>------->
I know for sure that the guy that collected all that stuff would be horrified if he thought for a minute that there was any possibility that they could end up as trash in a landfill.
Those beveled adzes are the norm in my area and I have even made one of those before. The original makers used Greenstone that was deposited here off the Canadian shield. This stuff was transported here via 10 - 12 glacial advances and retreats. All of our rocks in my area are Canadian in origin.
Paleoman52 hey I’m from Thunder Bay (in north western Ontario) and I’ve been attempting to knap. So far the only flint that I’ve found is from our river rock in our garden and it’s all stuff that people say is hard to work with. Do you think there’s a better chance of me finding decent flint/ chert to work with if I look around outside, and what areas are good to look for flint? There’s a river by my house that I think I’m going to look at.
I know, can you imagine even considering putting those things in a dumpster? You would think the guy would at least haul them out to the edge of their property and return them to nature, but a dumpster??? No way! I'll be sure to take good care of these cool artifacts!
I have many artifacts but don't know what they are.I recognize scrapers, knives, and points. But I found an axed snaped larger stone with some grooves in it and fits perfect in your hand.
You know when I went there after the guy called me I wasn't expecting to see much, but I was overwhelmed when I saw saw what he wanted to get rid of.
Good idea, you never know what you'll find!, haha! Thanks for watching!
Hi , dont know if you are still getting notifications after this long, but I want to know what YOU are going to do with your stuff? I too have two rescued collections, none as large or fine, but saved from the dumpster nonetheless. We've been amassing this stuff for decades, no? I dont have kids, others who I know are my contemporaries; our time left is short. My local county museum has stacks of unseen, undisplayed, wonderful artifacts donated by the early settlers families.....no one gets to appreciate them!!! Thanks to the internet at least private collections such as yours can be videoed and hence shared by others who are inclined to seek out such content. I'm happy to keep at the business of searching and saving what I can, but after almost 40 years I do wonder what to do with it all BEFORE I am not able to decide......I would never RIP if my saves wound up in a landfill!!!!!
good save you have yourself some really nice stuff lucky guy
The thing that scares me is how often this might occur when a person that is totally uninterested in these stones does throw them out. It was fortunate that these wonderful and interesting artifacts didn't have that fate. Thanks for the comments Joe!
Thanks for the comments David Straub! I agree with those observations, the beveled adzes they made were beautifully sculptured and polished but the Lamoka points are the crudest points I find. Most of the time they don't have finished bases and some are 3 sided. In my latest video I find a crude Lamoka point and it has a huge stack on it for its size. I'm really glad the guy thought to call me before he chucked all this stuff out, he knew I liked artifacts so I was his first choice.
One more question Ken and anyone else reading this, you said we should make plans to pass on our collections when we go, what are the plans for this and the rest of your collection? Museums probably would only want G10 stuff and rare stuff im sure....
Wow u lucky lucky man
Thankfully this story has a happy ending. Thanks for watching rockytoprelics76!
Get your name out there Ray so that people know you like this stuff and maybe someday someone will get you to clean out their shed full of rocks too. A lot of stuff has been found in my area of the Genesee Valley, and there are lots of collections out there. You never know when someone might ask you if you are interested in them. Thanks for watching my friend!
Wow Xmass came early for paleoman52
That would of been a find of a lifetime. nice to know that they are in safe hands👍👍👍
Well then, another amature question for ya. Why did they make preforms? I mean, why did they make a preform and stop? Why didnt they just make complete pieces? It seems like they made as many preforms and lost them, as they did complete pieces. I understand, they probably made rough preforms at the quarry and finished them later in camp, but it seems like they lost as many preforms as they finished or am I missing something?
(lol)unfortunately I havent been lucky enough to encounter that senario yet!!
That's AMAZING!!
Thanks, I'm glad I was in the right place at the right time!
Now that's funny - kinda'! Tell her if she doesn't want to have to dust them off all the time, that I've volunteered to take them off her hands - cuz that's how I roll ! LOL!
I've also heard it argued that some folks may have practiced specialization of labor as some ONLY made preforms that they then traded and others finished !! AND They smoked three different kinds of tobacco out west here !!! Also weed I'm convinced !!! You think Sativa was just a wild weed ??? LOL
hey I'm never heard of a gouge is it a chisel ?
The gouge was mainly a wood working tool. These were used to hollow out a log to make a log canoe and also to make a wooden bowls. The process to do this was interesting. First they would char the area by burning it then using the gouge to chip out the area that was charred. This was repeated until the object was hollowed out as much as they wished. They also were most likely fastened in a handle so it could be swung like an adze. So you guess that it was a chisel is correct. Have a wonderful Christmas and thanks so much for watching! :)
You are lucky man
Right on! Thanks Indychief78 for watching! It felt great to be field walking this time of year. I'm definitely going back while the weather holds and who knows I might find something more.
man those are some nice artifacts you rescued! I'm glad you got them man.. thanks for sharing with us all
Hey Ken! Listening and watching this footage now. I CANNOT IMAGINE pitching that stuff into the garbage. Stunned. Cry. I feel for the people and boxes which have been lost again to history... THAT bunch alone would have merited a separate place in your collection all alone!! To think, I began collecting in 2012.
AND A PASSIVE/AGRESSIVE attitude toward the deceased person's stuff !!! LOL Seen wives THROW AWAY stuff they KNEW HAD VALUE after a husbands death or else sold for peanuts to a stranger just for spite !!! LOL LOL
Yeah, well that's not gonna happen to my junk cause I'm going to take it with me!
Yeah, and your son would say, Hey, what chu do that for, and you'd say - just in case! LOL!!
I found something like this. I donated it to my high school and a teacher stole it. Cleveland minnesota. Whomever did that, hell has a place.
PM52 DON"T TELL HIM ABOUT THE QUARTZIES IN THE THROWAWAY TOO !!! He will have troubled dreams for months over it !!!! lol lol
Well keep your eye on MY WIFE when I kick the bucket then !!! Almost a sure thing !!! LOL LOL
That is thousands of dollars worth of stuff.
If you figure out how to do that I'd pay good money to know how, haha! Thanks for watching!
Wow! Great job rescuing those pieces!
#2-- Russ was out of town when the old noble gent passed. Russ came to pay his respects to the widow and found weasels from the Rockhound Club, that had not even spoken to the old guy in decades, had usurped his entire collection, including the last tens years worth and much more, promised to my bud Russ !!! lol "Weasels Ripped My Flesh* " !!! lol lol * An album Frank Zappa and the MOI did in the 60s !!! lol lol
Haha Sounds like one JERK OF A SON !!! Maybe some huge unresolved "father issues" at work !!! lol lol Whatever the reason , Great Catch !!! Thinking about those pestles almost getting tossed makes me want to go slug my son , JUST THINKING ABOUT IT !!! LOL LOL
Thank you for saving there beautiful artifacts! I’m trying to do this as well. I want to find some museums or colleges that will take car of them and display them.
Thanks again for sharing!
Like to buy some some to make deer Handel knife
I have donated a lot of this stuff to a local museum since this video was made, sorry! I made this video 6 years ago and most of this is gone now. I kept some of the pieces I really liked though.
I know this video is a bit old, but man..... I'm glad you saved this stuff. phew, I wouldn't be able to sleep knowing this much history laying in a land fill.
+walter Baranowski I was so glad that the fellow called me and didn't just throw it all in the dumpster because there was so much that would have been lost. I still enjoy looking through this wonderful collection and I admire the workmanship that was put into each piece. You have to wonder how often things like this do get thrown out.
So no tobacco or wackey weed, that takes all the fun out of it lol
Yep, that's me! A good friend of mine from Norway shot this video one summer while he was visiting the states and it was a journalism class project. I thought he did a really nice job on it. That's what the real Paleoman52 looks like, pretty scary, huh? haha!
I may continue to keep the appearance of Paleoman52 a mystery but at some point in time I may turn the camera on the real me with no mask. I've noticed that many of us have tried to maintain a hidden appearance and that others choose to show themselves. I've never been one to want to draw any attention to myself but more to the work that I do. Time will tell, keep watching!
Wow
Haha! You saw my gray beard, huh? I guess there is no hiding that thing. Yep, I definitely need to even out that tan, Jonzi has me running scared, with his potential for a sneak attack, LOL, so I need to keep the camo on when out of the safety of my cave.
Those are some pretty incredible artifacts and I really enjoy them, I'm so glad the guy thought to call me first before tossing them. Good thing I was around to answer my phone!