Arrow Dynamics' Top 10 Greatest Innovations
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2022
- The coaster world wouldn't be the same without all the contributions from Arrow Dynamics. In this video, I count down their 10 greatest innovations.
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I think Arrow’s greatest innovation was welding their track together so you can’t relocate their rides, ensuring longevity!😁
Or sadly torn down
@@johnfoltz8183 yes you can. Plenty of arrow rides have been torn down. A welding can be unwelded after all.
I mean. The Big One in Blackpool UK has had over 200m of track replaced recently and it's looking element as ever, with more to happen! Plus it's improvement is insane as it has had its fair wear and tear over 30years!
We have seen quite a few of their older smaller ones get moved. Unless they started welding later on
@@AirtimeThrills dunno lol, I actually just heard that about Viper lol. Just goes to show, you can never trust r/Rollercoasters…
Stuff like this is why Arrow Dynamics is my favorite manufactuer. They had a massive impact on coaster history, created fun rides, and had extremely violent airtime.
Love em' or hate em', Arrow was an innovator and we wouldn't have half of the rides we have now without them paving the way.
Arrow really are the fathers of this whole hobby we all love so much.
Them and Philadelphia Toboggan
I’m an Arrow fan girl forever. It all started with VHS tapes that my parents bought me as a kid. The one that I still have features Magnum, Viper, Steel Phantom, Drachen Fire, and Big Bad Wolf and plenty of interviews with Ron Toomer.
You should upload those VHS tapes to RUclips for preservation
I think one of the greatest tragedies of the coaster world is that we'll never get to see what a modern day Arrow would look like. I know they were slow to adopt computer-assisted design, but Tennessee Tornado, X2, and Road Runner Express all show what direction they could have continued on if they'd only survived long enough. We'll never get to see an Arrow giga and that hurts so bad
I don't think they were any slower than their competitors at adopting CAD. It was just an expensive proposition in the 70s and 80s, and things worked and sold well despite being created on paper. They were using AutoCAD on PCs by the late 80s at the latest.
We kind of have it with RMC, all those rides were designed by Allan Schilke. BTW I just got on Tennessee Tornado and I agree: it's a same we didn't get more Schilke designed Arrow Loopers
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv and they're now being designed by Joe Dravis, which idk who he worked for perviously, but he's the designer now becasue Alan retired
Pros: more intentionally awesome shit like TT
Cons: less accidentally awesome shit like the Magnum finale
I always get a little sad when riding arrow's coasters. Also, I'm sure to pay homage to the plaque dedicated to Ron Toomer each time I visit cedar point. Dude had a genuine passion for coasters and it really shows 🙏🙏🙏
I say "Arrow had to stand up, crawl, and walk so that B & M, RMC, and the rest could run" 🤷 So much innovation and influence
Arrow. The manufacture which basically led to all these other amazing manufacturers
Your choice of number #1 on the mark! I don’t think we would have steel coaster tracks today if it wasn’t for Arrow Dynamics inventing the Tubular steel track!
I’ve always been down on Arrow loopers - just guess I’m the right height to get my head smashed around on rides like Viper. But then I rode Loch Ness Monster and it was everything I’d hoped the others would be.
Loch Ness Monster is a true classic, a really excellent ride. That was my first looper and I couldn't imagine a better one to start with.
Viper at Darien Lake is my current favorite Arrow looper. Vortex was better, but Viper at Darien Lake is the smoothest of the ones I've ridden(no Tennessee Tornado yet).
Tennessee Tornado at Dollywood is an incredible Arrow looper. It is super well maintained by the park and has no head banging at all.
Arrow Dynamics really was the pinnacle of coaster innovation for their time.They were THE coaster manufacturer to go to during the 60s through early 90s, and they took risks at every end of the spectrum. Their coasters have such a classic feel we don't get anymore, and I love it. Arrow is probably my second favourite manufacturer behind B&M.
The list was absolutely perfect. I had a feeling that number one was going to be steel tubular tracks.
Suspended Coaster section: 'B&M figured out how to turn it upside down, Intamin figured out how to launch it. Vekoma invented a very succesful family coaster model.' Very glad you didn't mention the thing we don't talk about.
That said, the SLC represented an important step for Vekoma: if I remember correctly, it was the company's first model that didn't use Arrow's trains. Some SLCs are also reportedly quite good, too, such Odyssey at Fantasy Island and those with Vekoma's vest restraints.
Literally just watched the ACE documentary on Arrow Dynamics. This is such a great video to watch afterwards.
Side note, I know I keep bringing up replacements of Pony Express at Knotts...what about an El Loco? Small footprint in the park and it's something I feel like Knotts WOULD have lol
I think pony express is still popular though. El loco is kinda similar to hangtime
Arrow's greatest innovation is all of the lessons taught to all the other manufacturers.
Arrow is simply the grandfather of the modern rollorcoaster and its children are building Amazing rides, in a way honering Arrow's legacy.
And let's be honest, Its children are no slouches.
Until 2011, every steel coaster I had ever ridden was an Arrow. Arrows were just how I imagined steel coasters were.
SO glad you made this video, Chris. It bothers me how long it's been cool to hate on Arrow coasters by people who weren't around to have experienced what a revelation each new model actually was. Stand up for the OG!
Its understandable to see them as the one that makes those old painful rides, but they led the way for decades
@@AirtimeThrills Yeah, for sure. And sometimes that roughness and head banging is worth it. :-)
I'm still holding a grudge against Vekoma for what they did to Arrow. Hopefully Magic Mountain will hold on to Viper no matter what it takes. They have 4 Arrow coasters.
@@frankorandle Vekoma didn't do anything to Arrow. It was Arrow's refusal to innovate, as well as their underestimation of the cost of building new rides, which put them out of business.
First, they refused to use force-vector design, allowing B&M and IntAmIn to make smoother, more modern rollercoasters.
Then, they continued using an outdated train design on their suspended coaster, rather than using the more open, Floorless design B&M and Vekoma used. And they refused to make an inverted model with fixed seating and inversions. If they had done so, and given it better restraints than the SLC, then they could have made a good budget alternative to the B&M Invert, similar to what Giovanola did with Anaconda.
But the final nail in the coffin was them underestimating the cost of building X at Magic Mountain, and charging Six Flags less than it cost to build. This is similar to how Giovanola went bankrupt because they underestimated the cost of adding a helix before the mid-course break run on Titan at Over Texas.
I love anything that gives respect and honor to Arrow! The rankings aren't as important and just recognizing all their contributions. You did a great job with that!
Awesome video!!! Arrow Development was way ahead of their time and produced some of the best rides of all time. No DOWNTIME issues and very reliable.
Arrow will always be my favorite manufacturer so I absolutely loved this video. Thank you for taking the time to research all these milestones and present them in a fast, but informative manner. By way of speaking of these innovations, you ended up covering many of my all time favorite roller coasters and I was happy to see the Log Flume in there. I also was glad to see the batwing in your honorable mentions sections. I agree that it shouldn't quite crack the top ten but batwings are always a highlight for me on any looping coaster and most people seem to forget that it started with Orient Express. My personal favorite innovation of Arrow's is high on your list and that's the inversion records. They were so far ahead of all the competition with those inversions that for many years they were literally just competing with themselves. My favorite type of coaster is the Hypercoaster, but a close 2nd would be the large-scale, traditional looping coasters. No gimmicks. Just put me in a multi-car train on a track, go up very high, down very fast, and flip me upside down at least 5 times and I'm totally satisfied.
Long live Arrow Dynamics. I've mentioned this before but I figured if I kept writing it maybe more people would talk about it: ACE...Please give "Landmark" status to more Arrow coasters. They were engineering marvels of their time and deserved to be preserved as interactive history.
I’ll never forget when my little league baseball team went to Kings Island and for the first time seeing Vortex!! Holy smokes was I scared and intimidated but thanks to some much needed peer pressure I found my love for riding coasters. I’ll never forget that day!!🤙
This is a great topic! Arrow has definitely fizzled out of the limelight, but they still had some really good coasters in their day
Love this video!!! Arrow were the absolute kings of the coaster world when I was growing up in the 90s, and I was able to ride a good chunk of their record breakers within a few years of their openings. Between Magnum, Viper, Steel Phantom, and Desperado, I was proud to serve!!!
I knew what number one was going to be before I even clicked to watch the video. great list that shows how innovative arrow was!
Arrow Dynamics also built carousels in the 50s, car/antique Car rides, miniature trains, and shoot the chutes rides
I was guessing number 1 was Disneyland itself with Arrow enabling the birth of an American institution, but tubular steel track was a great pick too!
One thing that amazes me about the Matterhorn is not only did Arrow develop a brand new ride system with tubular rails for it, but the trains also splash through a small pond at the end. It wasn’t enough to have the first steel coaster, let’s also add water! I’m not sure what the back story is on that, but from a technical/engineering perspective it seems like total madness haha.
I honestly can’t wait to experience X2! It’s one of the only arrows I’m incredibly hyped/scared for
It is by far one of the most intense experiences out there. My favorite ride I’ve ridden
I’ve ridden it a dozen times but I still freak out every time it carries me up the lift hill!
It’s a fantastic experience, one of my favorites. Thankfully I have lived 30 minutes from there and have had it be my home park for my whole life.
@@ziawrsps6881 number 1 as well
it’s my number 2or 3!
Arrow is kind of a progenitor of modern coaster design and philosophy.
Another great video explaining how some of the lesser examples are more important when they're first :)
I think bringing the first hyper is the most important one. It's the reason we have hypers and taller. Magnum literally changed not only the coaster Indus but the world in a way at that time. Everyone was introduced to something unlike any other which from 1989 and to this day of 2022 still stands as one of the best hyper coasters.
I would agree but without Arrow I think Togo still would have done it
@@AirtimeThrills have youever looked at a SCAD tower?
@@AirtimeThrills I don't think it would have been near the hit though, there is no way Togo would build those insane bunny hills
They also added two more four-inversion coasters in 1980, when the Turn of the Century coasters at the Great America parks were remodeled to add vertical loops. I’ll also second the request to do more of these videos for other manufacturers. I love coaster and park history, and you present it very well.
My first inversion was also Arrow’s first corkscrew. Had no idea
I've read that the early Boomerang coasters had Arrow built trains.
And well ... I've also read that Ron Toomer would bend wire coat hangers/paper clips in his design process (before CAD came into play). No wonder them Arrow transitions were rough!
Yep they did, the Bat at Canada's Wonderland is an example
That’s true, I think you can see Toomer showing an example of that on an episode of 3-2-1 Contact.
Ah I NAILED number 1! I knew it. Good call, great job!
I absolutely love Arrow and this video!
It's crazy how they went out with X2 which is still the best in the park and never was able to make anything afterwards. Imagine how much they wouldve kept innovating.
Imagine if Arrow was still making coasters today... I wonder what new innovations they would have made.
There is a chance they could have been what RMC does today
Very cool. The coaster nerd in me loves this so much.
I love the teardrop loops.
I love watching you’re videos
Great video. Even one of these accomplishments would make a career for most. Amazing what one company did for the industry.
This was a great video. Real simple and full of great history. You should put it on the list of top 10 innovations by airtime thrills
Excellent video! Great footage!!
Great job!
Honestly i think arrow dynamics doesn't get enough love yes they can be rough and janky but they shaped the industry to what it is today.
Great Video!! I feel Arrow does make some great coasters they are really underrated
Such a great list
Arrow also had the first stand up coaster, ExtremeRoller, in the USA at Worlds of Fun in 1983.
I think if arrow was still around, diamondback never would have happened. Arrow and kings island had one of the best partnerships in my opinion, breaking something pretty much every time they worked together.
Great vid.
I would LOVE to see RMC try an arrow suspended style coaster to compete with the s&s axis. Maybe even a flying-suspended coaster. I dont care if there are no inversions, imagine top gun/the bat at kings island but with flying coaster restraints, no car around you.
Schilke love airtime more than any other. Suspended coaster with airtime will sounds either great or just nightmare
BTW vekoma has flying suspended coaster patent one. Check that out, it looks cursed
@@bocahdongo7769 imagine the sketchy restraints of a pinfari volare... Plus airtime
Alright, just before the video starts, please say you put Vortex on here. That would make the coaster gods proud.
Yes vortex gets a plug near the end
Im glad its on here. It was the original mega looper, the first large scale looping coaster. It outlasted the other 4 (yes, i count Drachen fire as it originally had 6 inversions) except Viper. The piece of track I have of it is decently beat up though, but its a great piece of history!! RIP ol Vortex. 1987-2019.
Glad S&S still kept arrows legacy alive
Indeed. S&S offers legacy service for Arrow's rides, too.
I think that Disneyland itself also belongs on this list. So much of early Disney park engineering was solely Arrow's work!
I feel like I'm being fire hosed by TOO MUCH IMPORTANT information and I'm not even 2 minutes into this video! (That's what comes from being a 52 year old coaster enthusiast, even with only about 100 credits) BTW Shockwave at SFGA was the 1st metal coaster to beet wood for biggest drop. That record hadn't been beaten since Intamin opened American Eagle in the same park in 1981 seven years earlier. Also: Mach rides may make coasters higher than 200' but the only one with a drop 200' or more just opened in China within the past month; it starts with a launch and has a short ride duration. Thanks for posting this informative coaster history video!
I didnt realize the Macks didnt have a 200 ft drop. Even dc rivals doesnt have a listed drop but its only 202 ft tall
@@AirtimeThrills "DC Rivals" has a 195' drop according to Wiki (which isn't always correct about everything but usually are about roller coasters). "Hyper Coaster" in Turkey and China have 190' drops.
Dragon Fyre & Dragon Mountain nearby have gone from ancient relics to endangered gems in the wild.
Due to sentimentality I think Arrow with always hold a special second place to whatever my favorite manufacturer is at any given time (currently RMC - original, I know!)
Another honorable mention would be the Bow Tie loop on Dragon Mountain at Marineland. It's the only coaster that Arrow built with that particular inversion.
For those who don't know what the bowtie is:.
It looks like a batwing but it enters and exits the inversion in the same direction.
Agree with you.
Dragon Mountain is a beast of a coaster in general. It's over a mile long with an elevation change of 183' and 4 inversions. The fact that Marineland of all parks has the ride is rather crazy to think about.
I LOVE X2, so I would love to see it higher on the list, but the steel tubular track was by far their best creation. And alot of those innovations were done without computers, only the ingenuity of their minds !
Great list. One thing they did invent that was not good: Headbanging.
I remember Orient Express, it was my first looping coaster, so much fun. I wish it was still there =(
And don't forget the "Cutback" inversion used in Drachen Fire. \o/ \o/
Ah yes drachen fire, not Arrow's finest moment
I’m proud to call Viper at Darien Lake the first coaster I ever rode with inversions. It is only appropriate that the vertical loop and the first inversion on that coaster is called a tear drop loop because that was mentality as I was about to ride even though I was 12 at the time. Been on a bunch of coasters ever since and I’m fascinated by the history of Arrow Dynamics. X2 is a priority if I make it to California later this year.
Viper actually surprised me, I thought it would suck but it actually rode pretty well for an Arrow Looper
My first coaster was an Arrow mine train (Cedar Creek Mine Ride, Cedar Point).
I just got to ride Tennessee Tornado and it's hard to tell that it's even an Arrow, it's so smooth and has a great first drop and nice inversions. Only negative is that it's a short ride glad it's at my new home park (Dollywood is two [technically 3, TY Time zone] hours from my house)
I wish Arrow was still around.
In Rollercoaster Tycoon, you can create a chain on interlocking loops that extends as high as the support limit for the coaster. You just need each loop going in the same direction (either all left or all right) and 4 units above the next.
Please do more videos like this for other manufacturers. I wanna see em all covered. RMC will need a top 20 😂
I did Intamin already, B&M and Schwarzkopf would be kinda marginal, but rmc would be a good one
@@AirtimeThrills I’ve seen the intamin one loved that too. Maybe combine a few manufacturers that don’t have a full 10.
Didn't they also invent the modern Antique Car Ride? Arrow is mostly known for their coasters, but they also have many flat rides that they invented or significantly modernized.
Hi. Enjoyed your list. Canada's Wonderland has 2 Arrow coasters. A suspended one named Vortex which is really fast and Dragon Fyre is a double loop and double corkscrew. 🤔
Also Arrow give birth to the man him self, Alan Schilke. I think that they kick started his career and gave us a master mide
My home park has 3 Arrows, glad we have the now unique Steeplechase
This is obviously very coaster focused but I would tend to agree with most of it. I would add their creation of flat bottom boat track as well as the omni mover system for dark rides. Those were serious game changers for the theme park industry.
The 4th dimension coaster was their best innovation, without the 4D coaster arrow made we might not have eejanaika
Yes
Surprisingly, go to Frontier City, and its like a step into the 70's and 80's.
My closest park has 3 Arrow rides. A Steeplechase, Hyper & launch looper. All 3 are amazing and still going strong, even with the new Mack double launch edition added in 2018!
Blackpool Pleasure beach?
@@adamr1987 Yes!
Rest in peace 1945-2001
As I see it, Arrow were not the first to bring back the suspended coaster after decades.
In 1974, German aerospace manufacturer Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm built "Alpenflug", a transportable suspended coaster. I don't know if Arrrow were not aware of it when they started working on The Bat, since they basically made the same mistakes that were made 7 years earlier. Unbanked turns. In Alpenflug's case things were even worse than with The Bat, since Alpenflug was scrapped just after 16 days of operation at the Oktoberfest in Munich. So maybe we can credit Arrow for building the first suspended coaster that lasted longer than three weeks... ;-) Interestingly, the original plans that Werner Stengel made had the turns banked, but MBB thought to know better. Needless to say, they were wrong.
When Anton Schwarzkopf was asked about his opinion on the failed attempt that Alpenflug was (keep in mind, the company building it hat no experience whatsoever in building amusement rides), he replied that maybe next time he should attempt building a helicopter (a business that MBB were really successful with).
Do you have a rise and fall of arrow video? That would be cool. A lot of this could go in that. Demon aka turn of the century at great america was my ice breaker roller coaster last year from being away for 5 years. Arrow is wow.
The thing about arrow,they don’t have to be good.they have to be influential.
The suspended coaster (without banked track) was first built by weapons manufacturer MBB (Messerschmidt) for a German showman in 1974. It opened as Alpenflug on Munich´s Oktoberfest in 74 and closed for good a few days later. The lateral forces were much too high for the unbanked track. MBB had built two of those rides (the other was a mirrored design), but both rides were scrapped.
It seems that Arrow didn´t know about this failed attempt...there was no internet back then.
i was hoping the old double loop from geauga lake would have caught a mention
I have one question for you can you make a full review for wild eagle I know you say it’s the weakest wing Coaster but I don’t know why it would be nice if you could make a review also a Megavideo waking up every single one of your credits
Great list, I'd swap the hybrid with the hyper, but like a few others, the hyper was way more important for me ie, Maggie!
The hybrid was just an honorable mention, the hyper was more important for sure
@@AirtimeThrills It was...sorry, I was paying attention.
Six Flags Over Texas let Arrow get a start to family rides
Let's get this money
Video idea: Top 10 Coasters Whose Bark is Worse Than Their Bite (the ride experience is better than the loud sounds the coasters make, riders screaming doesn’t count)
"Wow what could number 1 be?" Sees number 1
"Ahh good call!"
arrow walked so other manufactures could run
vortex was a gift for the baft
X2 isn’t my favorite but I can admit there really is nothing else like it except in Asia
Idea: 10 coasters whose bark is worse than their bite
I wish that more suspended coasters had been built, and I think you can look to something like the Axis prototype as being the offspring of Arrow's suspended coaster model.
Can we give them credit for the attack of the clones? Haha
Idk why my favorite ride is montu at Busch Gardens Tampa
RMC realized how difficult it is to shape tubular track and keep tight tolerances on the shape so they went their own design.
Loch Ness Monster is yellow death. 2 or 3 back to back rides with my son and I'm begging to go sit down. He wants more.
It's time for loch Ness to get retired.
Nessie was smooth last time i rode it 😬
Don't mind me. I want all Arrow loopers taken out of service. i don't see Nessie going away though due to the water preservation mandate on the Rhine river. If Nessie goes the only way to build over the river again would be to use the supports that are already there.
Maybe Chance/Morgan can refurbish her like with Steel Phantom?
@@lastone032085 You clearly have not ridden Tennessee Tornado, that ride is intense and it's glass smooth