I love the mysteries of this series! It keeps getting better. I really hope they release season two weekly so we can search for clues and have time to talk about the episodes.
You can hate Maximus if you want, but in that world, it's necessary to do what it takes to survive, so be it if you have to lie. If Lucy was alone when she met up with those fiends, she would've killed. Maximus is a fool, but not that foolish.
Why would Maximus tell a stranger like Lucy the secret that could get him killed especially right after he tried to tell the truth (admittedly poorly) and almost became a Radroach juice box? Maximus wants to be noble but he is also trying to save his own skin. So lying to Lucy was the smart choice. If he hadn’t needed to traffic Lucy for vials, the Ghoul would have just killed Lucy and taken the Pip-Boy if he knew about the tracker (and taken her teeth and some ass jerky for good measure). The Ghoul is nearly pure evil with only the faintest hints of the man he once was. Max is a saint compared to the Ghoul but seems to be held to a higher standard because he doesn’t indiscriminately murder people with a charming quip like the Ghoul. It is a bit weird.
What shows and games like Fallout and The Last of Us are trying to teach us that how humans operate under their natural circumstances, when there are no cops, judges, prisons, due process, paramedics, state healthcare, military, teachers, etc. to provide the basics to create a society where the vast majority of people can be reasoned with and can be expected to follow the rule of law in most cases. It's really hard to understand for some people that in his circumstances, Maximus can't be honest to someone whom he doesn't know.
Ladies try to see things from Maxiamus point of view. He was trying to come clean with everything and Thaddeus basically told him he would tell the brotherhood. Max is a goid guy trying his best.
The explosion that Max survived wasn't from the first attack in the first episode. The attack he hid from was a second bombing. He was part of a surface side effort to rebuild. way after the first episodes attack...which faild in a second bombing. Lucy had been brought up believing that the Vault dwellers were going to be the first try after the episode one attack.
Actually when Thaddeus says that the Brotherhood that will know it was because he will tell, and let's not forget Thaddeus was who accused Maximus for foot injure of Maximus' friend to the Brotherhood. Maximus is a nice guy. :P
Actually, we don't know which one of the aspirins actually accused Maximus. When Maximus realize that Thaddeus wasn't going to go along with him, he literally tried to murder him, he's complicated for sure but he's not purely a good guy.
@@gpajeWe're tired of people who are always looking for the good guys and the bad guys in a series that makes an effort to break away from this Manichean view of life. There's Disney for that.
Point is: by the book soldier like Thadd would never join Max who lied to the BoS after took the suit without authorization. Max revealing himself was foolish and hope strategy. Also, as Thadd said: lying to the BoS is also foolish and hope strategy, cause they WILL find out. We already saw they are tracking the suits as they found exact location back in Filly when sent new Squire so quickly i.e. they already knew the location.
I love when people hate on Maximus at the bridge scene ... Than he makes them eat their words after he saves both their lives by killing the fiends, all while Lucy just stays there still with her hands up. Lucy makes dumb decisions too. Open your eyes sheesh.
also, i know it's only a relatively small point, but immediately after the engagement ends, Max returns Lucy's weapon (which in my opinion was a mistake!). this shows that he only wanted it to protect them both and once he had done that he no longer needed it. people make the assumption that Max is spoiling for a fight or something but nothing could be further from the truth.
I know they just keep their blinders on for him and refuse to see why he makes the decisions he does. I love it when he makes people eat their words after the bridge fight.
absolute facts. honestly i'm so tired of all the shit talk about Max. does he always make the best decisions? no, of course he doesn't. show me a single character in this show who does. but when Lucy screws up it's "adorable" and she's "so pure" and "Lucy's better than Max". Lucy's not better than Max she's just different to Max. this attitude does highlight some of the problems in western society right now so i guess it's useful for something.
Thaddeus is a loyal by the book soldier, the type that would never walk into open door hangar saying "restricted", Max is the type that will walk in, both types have their advantages and disadvantages, military needs both types, thus have stuff like "open door hangars", they are testing, you know "hurry up and wait". That is the reason why Thadd would never join Max, no matter how Titus died, cause Max took the suit with no permission and lied to his superiors, so Max revealing himself to Thadd was hope-strategy and foolish. As for what Thadd said: "it's the Brotherhood, they will find out", he is right, they will, lying to them, especially about stuff like this, is also hopestrategy and foolish..
@@toomanyaccounts That obviously. But the story behind it can be adapted after the fact (after Max pretended Titus) and with backing from Thadd, it can be convincing, only not enough, and Thadd knows that. For example, BoS tracks the suits, Max is oblivious to that, but it was on purpose shown how in Filly, Thadd went for coordinates of the suit immediately after air dropped. Thinking that lying to BoS leadership will work, is delusional.
You would both look so cool in the vault dwellers uniform./ costume. Also In this world they seems to be the only place with non radioactive food and water + hot water for showers. So probably the best choice to be.
The voting was rigged...Betty was always going to win. Lucy's a noob to the real world and only has her vault upbringing to guide her. On the other hand, Max is street-smart.
It's almost always the people who don't think beneath the surface who dislike Maximus the most. They just interpret his actions in the worst possible way and judge him without considering his motivations or empathising at all. A harsh reminder that most people you meet judge you based on their own assumptions, and aren't interested at all in the truth. VERY important in light of the upcoming two episodes. Example - At 11:35 Maximus was 100% right to be distrusting, and you were criticising him for his attitude. When it turned out you were totally wrong, instead of acknowledging it you just moved on, forgot about it and kept disliking him. Human nature.
No, Maximus can just be genuinely unlikable, and it has nothing to do with him having a survival mindset. He has good aspirations which drive bad decision making. He wants to be a Knight and has a lofty, idealized view of them, but soon as he is passed over to become a squire he gets mad, but he's also shown to be a slacker when he fails in his studies and can't identify an artifact, but he knows just a bit about the T60 armor because that is part of his ambitions. So he doesn't put the work in to reach his goal but is enraged and jealous when he doesn't get anointed, though he likely doesn't deserve it yet. He does become a squire anyway but only because he showed how much he idealizes the Brotherhood. However, despite this idealization, he immediately breaks his vows when given the chance, though he rationalizes this by deciding on his own that Titus is unworthy of being a Knight, which is objectively true, but this doesn't justify letting Titus die, this also first gives the viewers the impression that he really could have been the one who sabotaged Dane. And he doesn't contact the Brotherhood that his Knight fell, for one because he knows all the potential negative consequences of that, and more importantly because his ambition drives him to pursue the target on his own in the hopes that it will absolve him of responsibility for letting Titus die, and even elevate him to Knighthood. Mind you that his actions now run completely against the lofty ideals he supposedly wants to champion. And from that point his path is set, he had to lie to follow the course he choose, however abusing Thadeus was entirely out of spite and enjoying having power over someone else, he just rationalizes it in his head that Thaddeus deserves it, though thankfully he changes his view of Thaddeus after that talk about "dead" Maximus. He does become better for a bit, he gets to pretend to be the lofty Knight he imagines himself as during the fight against the Gulper. But that was just the one encounter. Immediately after, however, he brands Thaddeus to keep up the lie but also then decides to tell him the truth, which is the single best example of his bass decision making, he should've either told the truth and not branded him, or branded him and kept lying. He then completely fails to explain what happened to Titus or his own reasons, making the situation look all the worse, Thaddeus could only assume that Maximus outright killed Titus in cold blood to steal the armor. And after all this he decides to ACTUALLY kill someone in cold blood, once he assumed Thaddeus was now an obstacle to his goals. -you don't deserve that armor -and you think you do? Titus was right, Maximus doesn't deserve the armor, nor to be a Knight. None of this makes him universally incompetent or universally stupid, but that's not why he is unlikable. He is unlikable because he makes stupid and immoral decisions to get what he wants while thinking he deserves that which he clearly doesn't actually embody. Moreover he completely drops that ambition and lofty ideals for which he has made all of these bad decisions the moment he was offered a life of mindless comfort in a vault. Disliking Maximus is entirely justified if for these reasons.
@@palpat8431 I have to ask - have you already watched the rest of the series? Because the events of those episodes demonstrate multiple times that several of your assumptions about Maximus and his motivations are incorrect. And the fact you feel the need to write a giant essay explaining why you are interpreting his actions in a negative light sort of proves my point that.....people choose to interpret his actions in a negative light.
@@Scyth0r yes I watched it, however even if I hadn't, the rest of the series doesn't prove my points wrong out of hand, there is such a thing as character change or development, he could get better. However I did watch the show and offered commentary beyond this episode, I did mention how he switches his aspirations from becoming a Knight to purusing a comfortable life in a vault, ideally with Lucy. So your position is what, that you can assert whatever take you like, but once you get pushback on it with argumentation to the contrary provided you can just dismiss it out of hand, offer no refutation of your own, and claim that it proves your point more? I think that, ironically, that proves the opposite of your thesis. Namely what you display is that "It's almost always the people who don't think beneath the surface who like Maximus the most. They just interpret his actions in the best possible way and excuse them through his motivation, without considering the contradictions between his actions and motivations at all." "The fact that you feel the need to write a giant essay" - all character analysis essays and video essays are hereby made invalid with this one comment because you didn't like this particular character analysis, meanwhile if the analysis was positive and supported your own take I imagine you wouldn't have an issue with a "giant essay" in the slightest. Maximus sucks, how's that? Short and to the point.
Of all the reactions of yours I’ve seen, this has by far been one of my favorites ever! Getting to watch this show with you beautiful ladies has been an experience that I’ve enjoyed!❤❤
Yeah you need to understand this universe better... it's really funny watching reactors who know nothing about the world of the games go "how could he do that... he's a terrible person" and all the gamers are going "yep wise choice" I like the reactions anyway very funny to watch...
I love the mysteries of this series! It keeps getting better. I really hope they release season two weekly so we can search for clues and have time to talk about the episodes.
You can hate Maximus if you want, but in that world, it's necessary to do what it takes to survive, so be it if you have to lie. If Lucy was alone when she met up with those fiends, she would've killed. Maximus is a fool, but not that foolish.
Why would Maximus tell a stranger like Lucy the secret that could get him killed especially right after he tried to tell the truth (admittedly poorly) and almost became a Radroach juice box? Maximus wants to be noble but he is also trying to save his own skin. So lying to Lucy was the smart choice. If he hadn’t needed to traffic Lucy for vials, the Ghoul would have just killed Lucy and taken the Pip-Boy if he knew about the tracker (and taken her teeth and some ass jerky for good measure). The Ghoul is nearly pure evil with only the faintest hints of the man he once was. Max is a saint compared to the Ghoul but seems to be held to a higher standard because he doesn’t indiscriminately murder people with a charming quip like the Ghoul. It is a bit weird.
What shows and games like Fallout and The Last of Us are trying to teach us that how humans operate under their natural circumstances, when there are no cops, judges, prisons, due process, paramedics, state healthcare, military, teachers, etc. to provide the basics to create a society where the vast majority of people can be reasoned with and can be expected to follow the rule of law in most cases.
It's really hard to understand for some people that in his circumstances, Maximus can't be honest to someone whom he doesn't know.
Ladies try to see things from Maxiamus point of view. He was trying to come clean with everything and Thaddeus basically told him he would tell the brotherhood. Max is a goid guy trying his best.
The explosion that Max survived wasn't from the first attack in the first episode. The attack he hid from was a second bombing. He was part of a surface side effort to rebuild. way after the first episodes attack...which faild in a second bombing. Lucy had been brought up believing that the Vault dwellers were going to be the first try after the episode one attack.
Lucy and Max Buddy Cop dynamic definitely feels like two independent pro tags with completely separate dialogue option lists
Hello, sorry, how do I get the girls from "The Homies" to see my messages, I want to recommend a movie. Or is it that they don't see these messages?
Actually when Thaddeus says that the Brotherhood that will know it was because he will tell, and let's not forget Thaddeus was who accused Maximus for foot injure of Maximus' friend to the Brotherhood. Maximus is a nice guy. :P
Actually, we don't know which one of the aspirins actually accused Maximus. When Maximus realize that Thaddeus wasn't going to go along with him, he literally tried to murder him, he's complicated for sure but he's not purely a good guy.
@@gpajeWe're tired of people who are always looking for the good guys and the bad guys in a series that makes an effort to break away from this Manichean view of life.
There's Disney for that.
Point is: by the book soldier like Thadd would never join Max who lied to the BoS after took the suit without authorization. Max revealing himself was foolish and hope strategy. Also, as Thadd said: lying to the BoS is also foolish and hope strategy, cause they WILL find out. We already saw they are tracking the suits as they found exact location back in Filly when sent new Squire so quickly i.e. they already knew the location.
@@elvisibra they had assigned Filly as a search location and had check ins. of course they would send the new squire there.
@@toomanyaccounts Yes. But Thadd was given exact coordinates.
I love when people hate on Maximus at the bridge scene ... Than he makes them eat their words after he saves both their lives by killing the fiends, all while Lucy just stays there still with her hands up.
Lucy makes dumb decisions too. Open your eyes sheesh.
also, i know it's only a relatively small point, but immediately after the engagement ends, Max returns Lucy's weapon (which in my opinion was a mistake!). this shows that he only wanted it to protect them both and once he had done that he no longer needed it. people make the assumption that Max is spoiling for a fight or something but nothing could be further from the truth.
@@davidperkins6752 I didn't see that! Good catch 🤙🏾
The hate for Max is crazy...the doctor said if you want to survive, you have to adapt. That speech was for you two
Max is an idiot
I know they just keep their blinders on for him and refuse to see why he makes the decisions he does. I love it when he makes people eat their words after the bridge fight.
absolute facts. honestly i'm so tired of all the shit talk about Max. does he always make the best decisions? no, of course he doesn't. show me a single character in this show who does. but when Lucy screws up it's "adorable" and she's "so pure" and "Lucy's better than Max". Lucy's not better than Max she's just different to Max.
this attitude does highlight some of the problems in western society right now so i guess it's useful for something.
@@CuddleBuddee Max has the idiot savant perk.
Thaddeus is a loyal by the book soldier, the type that would never walk into open door hangar saying "restricted", Max is the type that will walk in, both types have their advantages and disadvantages, military needs both types, thus have stuff like "open door hangars", they are testing, you know "hurry up and wait".
That is the reason why Thadd would never join Max, no matter how Titus died, cause Max took the suit with no permission and lied to his superiors, so Max revealing himself to Thadd was hope-strategy and foolish.
As for what Thadd said: "it's the Brotherhood, they will find out", he is right, they will, lying to them, especially about stuff like this, is also hopestrategy and foolish..
Max would eventually have to come out of the suit so the brotherhood would know.
@@toomanyaccounts That obviously. But the story behind it can be adapted after the fact (after Max pretended Titus) and with backing from Thadd, it can be convincing, only not enough, and Thadd knows that. For example, BoS tracks the suits, Max is oblivious to that, but it was on purpose shown how in Filly, Thadd went for coordinates of the suit immediately after air dropped. Thinking that lying to BoS leadership will work, is delusional.
You would both look so cool in the vault dwellers uniform./ costume. Also In this world they seems to be the only place with non radioactive food and water + hot water for showers. So probably the best choice to be.
🤣The lights in the Lab indicate where you need to walk.
The voting was rigged...Betty was always going to win. Lucy's a noob to the real world and only has her vault upbringing to guide her. On the other hand, Max is street-smart.
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It's almost always the people who don't think beneath the surface who dislike Maximus the most. They just interpret his actions in the worst possible way and judge him without considering his motivations or empathising at all.
A harsh reminder that most people you meet judge you based on their own assumptions, and aren't interested at all in the truth. VERY important in light of the upcoming two episodes.
Example - At 11:35 Maximus was 100% right to be distrusting, and you were criticising him for his attitude. When it turned out you were totally wrong, instead of acknowledging it you just moved on, forgot about it and kept disliking him. Human nature.
No, Maximus can just be genuinely unlikable, and it has nothing to do with him having a survival mindset.
He has good aspirations which drive bad decision making.
He wants to be a Knight and has a lofty, idealized view of them, but soon as he is passed over to become a squire he gets mad, but he's also shown to be a slacker when he fails in his studies and can't identify an artifact, but he knows just a bit about the T60 armor because that is part of his ambitions. So he doesn't put the work in to reach his goal but is enraged and jealous when he doesn't get anointed, though he likely doesn't deserve it yet.
He does become a squire anyway but only because he showed how much he idealizes the Brotherhood. However, despite this idealization, he immediately breaks his vows when given the chance, though he rationalizes this by deciding on his own that Titus is unworthy of being a Knight, which is objectively true, but this doesn't justify letting Titus die, this also first gives the viewers the impression that he really could have been the one who sabotaged Dane.
And he doesn't contact the Brotherhood that his Knight fell, for one because he knows all the potential negative consequences of that, and more importantly because his ambition drives him to pursue the target on his own in the hopes that it will absolve him of responsibility for letting Titus die, and even elevate him to Knighthood. Mind you that his actions now run completely against the lofty ideals he supposedly wants to champion.
And from that point his path is set, he had to lie to follow the course he choose, however abusing Thadeus was entirely out of spite and enjoying having power over someone else, he just rationalizes it in his head that Thaddeus deserves it, though thankfully he changes his view of Thaddeus after that talk about "dead" Maximus.
He does become better for a bit, he gets to pretend to be the lofty Knight he imagines himself as during the fight against the Gulper. But that was just the one encounter.
Immediately after, however, he brands Thaddeus to keep up the lie but also then decides to tell him the truth, which is the single best example of his bass decision making, he should've either told the truth and not branded him, or branded him and kept lying. He then completely fails to explain what happened to Titus or his own reasons, making the situation look all the worse, Thaddeus could only assume that Maximus outright killed Titus in cold blood to steal the armor. And after all this he decides to ACTUALLY kill someone in cold blood, once he assumed Thaddeus was now an obstacle to his goals.
-you don't deserve that armor
-and you think you do?
Titus was right, Maximus doesn't deserve the armor, nor to be a Knight.
None of this makes him universally incompetent or universally stupid, but that's not why he is unlikable. He is unlikable because he makes stupid and immoral decisions to get what he wants while thinking he deserves that which he clearly doesn't actually embody. Moreover he completely drops that ambition and lofty ideals for which he has made all of these bad decisions the moment he was offered a life of mindless comfort in a vault.
Disliking Maximus is entirely justified if for these reasons.
@@palpat8431 I have to ask - have you already watched the rest of the series? Because the events of those episodes demonstrate multiple times that several of your assumptions about Maximus and his motivations are incorrect.
And the fact you feel the need to write a giant essay explaining why you are interpreting his actions in a negative light sort of proves my point that.....people choose to interpret his actions in a negative light.
@@Scyth0r yes I watched it, however even if I hadn't, the rest of the series doesn't prove my points wrong out of hand, there is such a thing as character change or development, he could get better. However I did watch the show and offered commentary beyond this episode, I did mention how he switches his aspirations from becoming a Knight to purusing a comfortable life in a vault, ideally with Lucy.
So your position is what, that you can assert whatever take you like, but once you get pushback on it with argumentation to the contrary provided you can just dismiss it out of hand, offer no refutation of your own, and claim that it proves your point more? I think that, ironically, that proves the opposite of your thesis.
Namely what you display is that "It's almost always the people who don't think beneath the surface who like Maximus the most. They just interpret his actions in the best possible way and excuse them through his motivation, without considering the contradictions between his actions and motivations at all."
"The fact that you feel the need to write a giant essay" - all character analysis essays and video essays are hereby made invalid with this one comment because you didn't like this particular character analysis, meanwhile if the analysis was positive and supported your own take I imagine you wouldn't have an issue with a "giant essay" in the slightest.
Maximus sucks, how's that? Short and to the point.
Human nature? Relax.
@@palpat8431 lol "what Peter tells you about Paul, tells you more about Peter than it does about Paul"
Of all the reactions of yours I’ve seen, this has by far been one of my favorites ever! Getting to watch this show with you beautiful ladies has been an experience that I’ve enjoyed!❤❤
13:21 Ellie you my heart, Jello cake is delicious! lol just foolin
Thaddeus had been hazing Maximus, and IMO he hid the blade in Dane's boot. Being dumb is Maximus's sin, he should not have trusted Thaddeus.
Love the comment about two 5 year olds it’s so true.
Maximus has 0 charisma, 0 intelligence and he is a poor decision maker 😅
Max has tons of charisma if he didnt he would have been killed long ago
I'm guessing 5 in CHR and 3 in INT. But he leads with 7 or 8 END
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Great video.
Yeah you need to understand this universe better... it's really funny watching reactors who know nothing about the world of the games go "how could he do that... he's a terrible person" and all the gamers are going "yep wise choice" I like the reactions anyway very funny to watch...
Hi Meshell (Michelle). I love how how your name sounds with your accent. Meshell, my belle.
Omg stop with this Fallout garbage. Get back to good movies please
or, y'know, just be patient instead. it's not just about you. hope you have a better day!🙂
There there. It's okay. You're okay.
Seriously, they're a little slow if they didn't realize that Thaddeus was going to denounce Maximus.🥲