New 2022 Energica Experia Green Tourer - First Ride Review

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  • Опубликовано: 1 дек 2024

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  • @robertpascall6509
    @robertpascall6509 2 года назад +9

    Great review, well done! Nice to see a review that starts off open minded about electric bikes and then your positive thoughts about where they sit in comparison with traditional bikes. I hope you will be able to get the bike for a longer test.

    • @AdventuresonZero
      @AdventuresonZero 2 года назад +1

      agreed. there are quite a lot of petrol centered channels that start off the review with a negative opinion, and it's saturated through the 'review'.

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад

      Thanks guys, I try to remain open minded about all the bikes I ride. I see lots of people slating various machines in the comments section of RUclips and I suspect many of them havent even sat on the bike in question, let along ridden it!

    • @AdventuresonZero
      @AdventuresonZero 2 года назад

      @@mancavemoto truth!

  • @firmbutton6485
    @firmbutton6485 2 года назад +1

    Life long Harley rider here, recently took a Pan American and a Livewire out for a test ride after a couple of more traditional Harleys. Blown away! Livewire incredible acceleration, Pan American incredible handling ! If I could have an electric adventure bike, my life is gonna change ! Experia here I come! Only fly in ointment is should I test ride a GS first?

  • @tonybrett7974
    @tonybrett7974 2 года назад +9

    Better range on this one, but the price is still the biggest problem. Also how much will it be worth if you sell it in say 5 years time, with a tired battery & the fact that the latest one will have improved leaps & bounds, probably stuff all. I bought a 4 year old Tiger 800 in 2015 for £5350, have put 15,000 miles on it & it's now worth £3500-£4000 (source sold listings on fleabay). I could spend a few hours working out how much it has cost to own, but I know its not going to be anywhere near the £20,000+ cost of the electric over the same time period.

  • @FourIntoOne
    @FourIntoOne 2 года назад +13

    I rode a Zero something or other about 2 years ago and really liked it - I don't remember it making that whining racket tho, it sounded much more spaceship rather than fast spin on my cheap washing machine - I don't think I could put up with that shriek tbh.

    • @OrlandoRick
      @OrlandoRick 2 года назад +2

      The camera microphone can't capture the actual frequencies/sound correctly. Really need to hear it in person. Sounds more like a powerful turbine. They have tweaked that sound over the years and it has gotten quite polished. It fades away over 60 mph too.

    • @Geshmaal
      @Geshmaal 2 года назад

      I had a go of an S and SR/S and both made a screamy noise, maybe not exactly like this but it was there.

  • @ianmorgan7198
    @ianmorgan7198 2 года назад +5

    Interesting review, the Experia actually looks good, it definitely has a Multistrada look about it (I own a Multistrada) , I rode an Energica Ribella in Italy some years ago and was impressed with its acceleration and smoothness however I couldn't get my head around there being no gearbox or clutch which made it feel like a large twist and go scooter , the other issue was no noise which I found particularly disconcerting as the bike wasn't giving me any feedback on what it was doing, I remain open to electric but without the engagement (no clutch and gearbox ) and no ICE noise its going to take a major reboot of the brain to convert from ICE to electric.

  • @JarodThurley
    @JarodThurley 2 года назад +2

    Wow, that bike looks great! Thank you for the informative review.

  • @mickmat860
    @mickmat860 2 года назад +2

    The best e bike I’ve seen so far.👍🏼

  • @blueyondermoto
    @blueyondermoto 2 года назад +3

    Quite an appealing bike ....except for the +£27k price. For me its the price stopping them becoming mainstream not the charging.

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      Yes, its something that permiates all electric vehicles I think. I have considered a e-mtb to get me back into cycling, but I can buy a CRF250 to go green laning on for less than a 'mid range' electric bicycle!!

    • @anxiousappliance
      @anxiousappliance Год назад

      Last I looked Harley sells a lot of bikes. BMW and Ducati do OK too.

    • @blueyondermoto
      @blueyondermoto Год назад

      @@anxiousappliance not at £27k they don't

  • @TStyx
    @TStyx 2 года назад +2

    It seems really good. Electric bikes have come on leaps and bounds in the last 10 years.

  • @pl1068
    @pl1068 2 года назад +4

    The issue I’m finding with trying to buy an electric vehicle is that after they are 3 years old you have lost 20% of that range and maybe more if they have been fast charged.

    • @ruahinesrider
      @ruahinesrider 2 года назад

      Fast charge is for emergency if you're smart.Means take longer to get somewhere but battery will stay premium for longer.260miles range is decent but touring at 110kmh all day range will probably be 220miles which is more than adequate for a day's ride.

    • @OrlandoRick
      @OrlandoRick 2 года назад +1

      Not very accurate, I'm afraid. There are owners with oggles of miles and many years and they are not experiencing such losses at all. Same applies to modern EV cars.

    • @AdventuresonZero
      @AdventuresonZero 2 года назад +2

      Fast charging isn't necessarily what damages batteries, it's leaving a battery at 100% or 0% too long (weeks). A healthy battery is one that is ridden as soon as it hits 100% (within a day or two) and is charged when/if it hits 0%. The happy range is keeping the battery b/w 30-70% when not being ridden. Even if used, you can test the draw to see what the health status of the battery is if you're buying a used one. 2 of the 3 electric motorcycles I own were used, and they're holding up just fine!

    • @OrlandoRick
      @OrlandoRick 2 года назад +1

      @@AdventuresonZero Very well said! I think Energica officially recommends 20-80% for storage; with a preference to use their Long Term Storage mode (where it stays plugged in while stored) when storing it for a longer period at 80%.

    • @AdventuresonZero
      @AdventuresonZero 2 года назад +1

      @@OrlandoRick that's the one thing I wish Livewire had: programed charging percent stops and amperage adjusting

  • @bobz1736
    @bobz1736 2 года назад +1

    For touring that constant high pitch whine would get on my nerves - not for me.
    Great review as always 👏

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      It takes some getting used to. I didn't notice it when riding as much as I did in the video. Interestingly the Zero's I've ridden have been quieter.

    • @anxiousappliance
      @anxiousappliance Год назад

      @@mancavemoto straight cut gear on the Energica - like how cars used to sound when backing up. They say it's more efficient - not sure on that.

  • @os6219
    @os6219 2 года назад +2

    Looks quite nice! Probably the future of urban commuting, at a price. But the reverse makes up for it.

  • @markiep5
    @markiep5 2 года назад +1

    Beautiful bit of riding pleasure to watch mate

  • @bukweet
    @bukweet 2 года назад +3

    With your helmet lid closed, is it really as loud as it sounds in the video?

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      It’s not no, I noticed when it came to editing that the mic seems to have picked it up more in the recording

  • @ralphsmotodiary
    @ralphsmotodiary 2 года назад +4

    Nice review, Tony, certainly an interesting Machine. What's the whine like while you're riding it? It sounds very pronounced on the video, but some mics seem to pick these things up in a disproportionate manner to how they sound in real life. I think if it did sound like that IRL it would drive me nuts. That's the only thing that immediately puts me off, other than that, the future is coming whether we like it or not.

    • @OrlandoRick
      @OrlandoRick 2 года назад +3

      As you pointed out, the camera microphone can't capture the sound correctly. You really enjoy it while riding, and it has been tweaked with every model.

    • @dragoclarke9497
      @dragoclarke9497 2 года назад +2

      I have to agree about the whine. I was looking forward to the review but after only 7 minutes in I have decided I couldn't put up with that noise for a 30 minute commute let alone a 300 miles per day tour. However the review is up to your usual high standards, fair and Informative.

    • @OrlandoRick
      @OrlandoRick 2 года назад

      @@dragoclarke9497 BTW, it complete fades out above 60, you would not hear it in a fun commute. Just when you slow down for a curve or to pass a slow vehicle.

  • @MargusMoto
    @MargusMoto 2 года назад +1

    Funny everyone is so riled up about the sound.. I actually quite love the whine of the electric eninge. Could be it brings back the memory of the electric trolley-busses we used to have (actually still have) that were spacious and I absolutely loved riding those (absolutely hate smelly and cramped diesel busses). I can't wait to be actually able to own an electric bike!

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      Agree, Its different, its not better or worse, just different in my opinion

  • @bill_4359
    @bill_4359 2 года назад +1

    Why doesn't the front wheel have a ac inverter motor to charge the batteries while riding?

  • @marcusgeorge1825
    @marcusgeorge1825 2 года назад +3

    Hi Tony, another great review. Thank you. That whine is a bit annoying however as I updated my golf cart from petrol to electric you do get used to it. I’ve also gone from a bi-turbo V8 Merc to a Tesla and although I miss the noise, I don’t miss anything else. All my motorbikes are still combustion engines however, it’s only a matter of time until I’ll at least have one electric bike, this one is now on top of my list. All thanks to your first impressions. I look forward to a long term review. 👍😎🇦🇺

  • @denisg4288
    @denisg4288 2 года назад +2

    Wow. Probably the first E bike to interest me.

  • @donhody1127
    @donhody1127 2 года назад +1

    A very enjoyable review. Actually, makes me want to try one. Thanks. Cheers.

  • @anroadking
    @anroadking 2 года назад +3

    Price puts most decent Electric bikes out of my reach unless I want less than 125 performance and a 50 mile range. At the moment those of us with lower incomes can buy something like a CB500X which does a great job at solo touring. In 10 years time the only option for a new touring bike will be far too expensive for a large percentage of the population on lower incomes. Touring on EV will be the preserve of the well off. The rest of us will be riding used ICE bikes until spares cease to be or petrol becomes hard to get or unaffordable.

  • @frankhall401
    @frankhall401 2 года назад +1

    That high pitched whine would get on my nerves very quickly.

  • @richardgiles2484
    @richardgiles2484 2 года назад +6

    Been on petrol for way to long. The problem I have with electric bikes are. Price, battery life span and cost to replace at some point and charging times and charging stations

  • @BN1960
    @BN1960 2 года назад +2

    Nice
    Chaper than I thought too - still comparable to a well specced GS or Multistrada but maybe leccy bikes are starting to make sense?

  • @rodhunt5199
    @rodhunt5199 2 года назад +1

    That noise takes me back to the milk floats of my childhood 😀

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +4

      Haha yep I remember those. Electric delivery vehicles and recyclable glass milk bottles. We were ahead of our time in the 70’s

  • @timfurby
    @timfurby 2 года назад +2

    I'm hoping for synthetic fuel that replaces petrol or maybe removable batteries for quick swapping. Until then my Suzuki Van Van 125 rocks the daily commute and impresses the ladies!

    • @bertagriese8282
      @bertagriese8282 2 года назад

      Keep hoping for synthetic fuel, won't work

  • @eithne50
    @eithne50 2 года назад +3

    Good review as usual Tony. Have previously been put off by the limited range, so this bike is really interesting. Can't help but notice all the scorched earth on the verges of your route; a powerful reminder of the need for electric bikes! Looking forward to a full review.

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад

      Cheers Mark, its certainly a step in the right direction. Yes its been pretty bad here and we are in desperate need for some rain to be honest

    • @vidiot9000
      @vidiot9000 Год назад

      lol, electric won’t save us. It uses mostly carbon sources.

  • @Brian-om2hh
    @Brian-om2hh 2 года назад +1

    James of the James & Kate EV RUclips channel has done Lands End to John O Groats on an electric bike. The video is on RUclips....

  • @stevebolton8471
    @stevebolton8471 2 года назад +5

    Sounds awful. Kudos for all the charging options but the noise, no way I could listen to that.

  • @morri03
    @morri03 2 года назад +2

    The challenge is that touring involves sustained highway speeds the very thing that ev vehicles are most challenged by especially motorcycles with nowhere to package a big heavy battery. For now still an answer to a question no one asked.

    • @anxiousappliance
      @anxiousappliance Год назад

      depends on how you tour.

    • @morri03
      @morri03 Год назад

      @@anxiousappliance it’s a touring bike.

  • @bentblade1
    @bentblade1 2 года назад +1

    Looks very much like my Tiger 1050 that has a range of 150miles. Wonder how it will perform with a pillion, panniers and top box. Looking at replacing 1050 with new Tiger 1200 which with box, panniers and extras will probably cost north of £20k. Perhaps I need a test ride.

  • @thedownwardmachine
    @thedownwardmachine 2 года назад

    They should add some more battery out in front of the shins like boxer heads, that would keep them cool and low.

  • @andymushlarky7819
    @andymushlarky7819 2 года назад +2

    Looks excellent as an option away from petrol. The motor is very annoying in the video, is it as noticeable riding?

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      It’s not no, it seems to have been picked up more on the mic than it did when I was riding it.

    • @fallinginthed33p
      @fallinginthed33p 2 года назад +1

      I like the sound, it's like a Porsche 919 Le Mans racer. Just wear earplugs if the sound gets annoying.

    • @stevebolton8471
      @stevebolton8471 2 года назад +1

      @@fallinginthed33p Always wear earplugs on a bike to avoid going deaf

  • @Banditmanuk
    @Banditmanuk 2 года назад +2

    Just watched this and Bruce's vid on this bike I'm sure Bruce has it at about £27,000 inclusive of import duty and tax?
    Would love someone to do a full European tour on one of these and do a real word report back of how the charging infrastructure affected enjoyment. Would you be able to do a group tour riding with ICE bikes??

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +2

      Yes I meant to put it as ‘from’ £21,500. I’d like to have a go at touring on one, maybe Bruce and I will have to put our heads together 🤔

    • @Banditmanuk
      @Banditmanuk 2 года назад

      @@mancavemoto Think he said he was going to try to ride one around the UK in four days (being a bit of a sceptic I said I didn't think he would do it)
      Certainly be good if you could do something together.

    • @stevebolton8471
      @stevebolton8471 2 года назад +1

      Not without delaying them to wait for you to charge up.

    • @andrewmorgan6775
      @andrewmorgan6775 2 года назад +1

      @@Banditmanuk John Chivers took an Eva Ribelle from Lands end to John'O'Groats, then on into the Shetlands. It's doable

    • @Banditmanuk
      @Banditmanuk 2 года назад +1

      @@andrewmorgan6775 Good to hear. Getting there but it needs to be as easy and convenient as using petrol to really get the touring bikers onto electric. I tour on an MT10 which is range compromised and without knowing where you can fill up / charge range anxiety can definitely take the pleasure out of longer distance remote area touring.

  • @verdonrocksphotography3510
    @verdonrocksphotography3510 2 года назад +2

    quite sexy looking bike, think its still not time for electric bikes yet, technology and battery/power bank must change, like the machine only one thing what kills my ears is the change the sound in high revs to high mostly annoying pitch, how was it for you with helmet, thanks Tony, cheers V!

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад

      This is one step nearer. Actually I noticed the noise more in the video than i did when i was riding it!

  • @erdemulubas
    @erdemulubas Год назад

    I realized that the controls on the handlebar are exactly the same with Mv Agusta 🤔

  • @BibtheBoulder
    @BibtheBoulder 2 года назад +1

    70+mph, 2-up, with luggage. I give the battery 80 miles max.

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад

      You’re probably on the button with that

  • @szaneman791
    @szaneman791 2 года назад

    Great initial review of the machine. Very good looking device indeed. The "whine" seems quite noticeable (even compared to other electric bikes you have tested?) and something you would need to get used to i would imagine. Price to pay for not having valve adjustments, oil changes, and 40,000 moving bits going in all different directions I suppose. Hope you do get to do a long term review on it with some real touring. Thank you Sir!

  • @yiannishayabusaofficial
    @yiannishayabusaofficial 2 года назад

    AWESOME VIDEO AMAZING FANTASTIC ! ! ! ! ! ! !!

  • @stevencash5783
    @stevencash5783 2 года назад +2

    I've a EV car which is great But wouldn't have a EV bike I've just purchased a new Honda NT 1100 with the quick shifter love my gears and the sound of a petrol engine

    • @bertagriese8282
      @bertagriese8282 2 года назад +3

      Yeah, you'll learn to love the 40°C plus in future in the UK, too... Maybe not so much the droughts.

    • @anxiousappliance
      @anxiousappliance Год назад

      How can anything compete with an nt1100?

  • @davehenderson3247
    @davehenderson3247 2 года назад

    Very interesting bike, looks good as well. Just needs a versatile 400-500 mile day range 🤔

  • @Hemlck
    @Hemlck 2 года назад +3

    Can’t believe they let them out for a press day making that awful noise! Absolutely horrible..oh dear!

  • @georgecastiblanco2978
    @georgecastiblanco2978 Год назад

    Tiene el mismo diseño de la Ducati Multistrada 2023. ,Cuánto tendrá de auronomia

  • @davidforsdike4343
    @davidforsdike4343 2 года назад

    Have you seen the Maeving. Uk company . Looks good for a town bike.

  • @BobberRider
    @BobberRider 2 года назад

    Cool, great first look mate. For me, the whine should stop at 40 mph (bloody hypocrite, my Bobber sounds like a mix between a motorboat, a helicopter, a Harley and a Merlin - yep I know!). Drop the price by 10 grand and I may take a punt. But I'll still be waiting to see what the other manufacturers do with a bigger budget. Just my tuppence, thanks again for your entertaining content. ;-)

    • @OrlandoRick
      @OrlandoRick 2 года назад +1

      The microphone can't capture the sound correctly. It fades out over 60 mph. You really enjoy it while riding, need to test ride one to see what it is like. Very turbine/tron sounding.

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +2

      Agreed, it’s a weird frequency and it gets picked up more on the mic than inexperienced on the ride. Mind you there is obviously a whine

  • @paulharrison8155
    @paulharrison8155 2 года назад +1

    That constant whining noise would do my head in unless it is completely masked when wearing a set of ear plugs?

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      It’s seemed to have been picked up more on the mic, I can’t say it was as loud when I was riding it

  • @officialbabi3387
    @officialbabi3387 Год назад

    May be it is !!! 🙂

  • @1990-t1j
    @1990-t1j 2 года назад +1

    Impractical. Hydrogen is the way forward, not coal-fired electricity.

  • @IanTed
    @IanTed 2 года назад +1

    A electric Multi, ‘it’s the future but maybe not in my lifetime, too expensive. Not quite the induction roar of my Multi V2S though…

    • @anxiousappliance
      @anxiousappliance Год назад

      How much is a multi? In the US the V4 is more than this bike.

    • @IanTed
      @IanTed Год назад

      @@anxiousappliance In the UK over £20,000 for a V4S without panniers, my V2S with panniers was £15500…

  • @buckymoto1784
    @buckymoto1784 2 года назад +1

    I've been a EV car owner for 7yrs.
    EV bike do not interest me in the slightest. In fact I've just bought a new moto Guzzi V85TT. I've also got a s
    Svartpilen 701.. Both bike have after market exhaust on them. And for me that's why I will NEVER own an EV bike. For me and ICE bike is about the engine sounds, exhaust notes, the vibrations from the motor the gear changing. The blipping the throttle on down shifts. My Husky is a wheelie enducing torque monster. My Guzzi is viby, it shakes from. Side too side when I rev it... I ride bikes for enjoyment. My EV cars are a Tool for getting me from A too B. They are soulless.
    2nd I did a ride last Sunday if 340 miles around the back roads of Donegal in Ireland. Not a single rapid charger to be found on the coast roads I was on. My guzzi has a tank range of 260 miles. I passed many petrol stations which I did avail of. Driving is stressful enough without the worry of running out of juice in the arse end of donegal.
    Ps that whine would get on my nerves. Its a really bad pitch

  • @iivaridark6850
    @iivaridark6850 2 года назад +1

    Reminds of going to dentist - but could be an easy fix... Still too heavy, I think.
    Might be some sort of fashion to have some kind of sign language all time when (actually many in YT) people ride and talk but I think it is not necessary. Anyhow, maybe just me who doesn't understand - it is not intended as a criticism, just a notion.

  • @nikos-giorgos
    @nikos-giorgos 2 года назад

    Why are we seeing you and not the bike?

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      Because I didn’t have a 360 camera fitted and there was nobody filming from the roadside. There’s shots of the bike in the video

    • @nikos-giorgos
      @nikos-giorgos 2 года назад

      @@mancavemoto
      You could've used some more of them.
      360s are not good anyway.

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад

      @@nikos-giorgos 360’s are great. It’s a bike review about how the bike rides. Plenty of pictures to look at on the Energica website

    • @nikos-giorgos
      @nikos-giorgos 2 года назад

      @@mancavemoto
      Yeah, thanks for the tip...

  • @andrewjohnston7382
    @andrewjohnston7382 2 года назад +1

    The sound of that electric bike would drive me up the wall. I don’t like it. Maybe fine for short trip in town.

  • @glenkelly3141
    @glenkelly3141 2 года назад +1

    Sounds like a Dentist's Drill

  • @grahams6690
    @grahams6690 2 года назад

    3 times the cost of the new bike i bought, at 68yrs I wont be ever getting one. ps good video. pss half the price of elec car. way to expensive.

  • @Ravan_Caw
    @Ravan_Caw 2 года назад

    👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @JIMWSMITH
    @JIMWSMITH 2 года назад +1

    You pay 27 k for this bike why are they so expensive? You can buy a decent electric car for that ..

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      I agree, and you should see the price of some electric bicycles! But as with most new tech, it will come down in price over time

  • @LoudValves
    @LoudValves 2 года назад

    new tech: the price will come down YOY ...

  • @tonypyatt6556
    @tonypyatt6556 2 года назад +4

    I have to say that sound is horrible

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад

      It’s different that’s for sure

  • @sunrisejak2709
    @sunrisejak2709 2 года назад

    Its odd hearing the ever increasing high pitched whine of the electric motor and not feel an ingrained urge to change gears! 😁

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад

      That does take a little time to get used to, and I find it harder to judge speed when riding too

    • @anxiousappliance
      @anxiousappliance Год назад

      It's not the motor, it is the straight cut drive gear. But seems like you might get the urge to shift at some point. LOL

  • @funguseater40
    @funguseater40 2 года назад +1

    Sounds horrible. Would definitely need ear plugs....and ugly though the seat looked ok

  • @richardbrooks4549
    @richardbrooks4549 2 года назад

    Looks a great bike. Shame about the price!

    • @PhilipKerry
      @PhilipKerry 2 года назад

      A petrol bike with equivalent performance would cost you as much if not more .

    • @richardbrooks4549
      @richardbrooks4549 2 года назад

      @@PhilipKerry which petrol bike with 105hp costs £29k? My 9k bike has better performance!

    • @PhilipKerry
      @PhilipKerry 2 года назад

      @@richardbrooks4549 Which petrol with 105hp has 266 miles range ?

    • @richardbrooks4549
      @richardbrooks4549 2 года назад

      @@PhilipKerry haha. Quoting urban range. Something no adventure bike is used for. I’ll ask again, which petrol bike is more expensive? Or did you just make that up?

    • @richardbrooks4549
      @richardbrooks4549 2 года назад

      @@PhilipKerry 1250 GSA. Nearly Half the price of the Energica. I keep answering your questions. Any chance you could give an example of your weird claim?

  • @BibtheBoulder
    @BibtheBoulder 2 года назад +1

    "Is this bike a game changer"?
    At over £20k NO.

  • @pcat1378
    @pcat1378 2 года назад

    Its £30,000........You can buy a Honda Goldwing and have change.

  • @hildertgroenenberg4033
    @hildertgroenenberg4033 2 года назад

    Millions of bikers for decades are used to have a greenlight on the dash to indicate 'neutral'. Now here it means 'good to go'. ... Seems like a stupid choice. Sorry. ... Why not just invert it?

  • @ianmcintyre7342
    @ianmcintyre7342 2 года назад +1

    Don’t think I could live with the awful whiny sound !

  • @ownyourworld
    @ownyourworld 2 года назад +2

    No good for long distance touring but good to control us all

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад +1

      Maybe watch the video before making a comment?

    • @ownyourworld
      @ownyourworld 2 года назад

      @@mancavemoto nope hate all electric vehicles it’s all a fraud

    • @mancavemoto
      @mancavemoto  2 года назад

      Then just comment you hate all electric vehicles then, rather than making a statement on something you’ve not watched?

    • @ownyourworld
      @ownyourworld 2 года назад +2

      @@mancavemoto it isn’t good for touring you have to wait 40 mins to charge fact so my first comment was right. Don’t get your knickers in a twisted.

    • @FourIntoOne
      @FourIntoOne 2 года назад +1

      @Riding with Matt: "Control us all" ? Give yer head a wobble - you have a choice you don't have to buy it, stick with your petrol bike if it pleases you...