The book “The Origins & History of Judo” is now available on Amazon worldwide in English, French, and Japanese, not just the links below. You can search for it in the Amazon of your own country. Amazon EU: amzn.eu/d/bfEkJmQ Amazon US: a.co/d/dNyMInt Amazon Asia: amzn.asia/d/aRU8ZXn French version: amzn.eu/d/8SN3DNs Thank you all.
I started karate at age 15 and still train a little at age 73. The most inspiring training I ever had was in Liverpool under the instruction of Enoeda Sensei and Kanazawa Sensei. Unforgettable, training alongside the great British karateka, Terry O'Neil. Thanks for showing this film. Tom Lund.
Gichin Funakoshi and Jigoro Kano shared a respectful relationship that significantly contributed to Karate’s transition from Okinawa to mainland Japan. Kano, the founder of Judo, admired Karate’s emphasis on discipline and character, while Funakoshi drew inspiration from Kano’s systematic teaching methods. Kano supported Funakoshi’s efforts by providing space at the Kodokan for Karate demonstrations, lending credibility to the art. Funakoshi adopted elements from Judo, such as the gi and ranking system, to modernize Karate and make it more appealing in Japan. Kano’s influence and endorsement helped Funakoshi introduce Karate to Japanese universities, transforming it from a regional practice into a national and ultimately global martial art.
@@stevenmael This is not the fault of Gichin Funakoshi. That is the responibility of people like Masatoshi Nakayama and some of his fellows. Those are to blame!
@@ralfhtg1056 Gichin Funakoshi introduced karate to mainland Japan in the 1920s, basing it on traditional Okinawan Shuri-te principles, which emphasized upright stances, close-range techniques, and a practical, self-defense-oriented approach. However, as karate transitioned to the Japanese mainland, it began to evolve in response to cultural influences and Yoshitaka’s vision. Yoshitaka Funakoshi’s Contributions: 1. Lower Stances: Yoshitaka emphasized deeper stances like zenkutsu-dachi (front stance) and kiba-dachi (horse stance), which differed from the shorter, more upright stances of Okinawan karate. These lower stances improved balance, power, and athleticism, making the techniques more dynamic and suitable for larger, open spaces like Japanese dojo. 2. Dynamic Kicking Techniques: He expanded the use of kicks, introducing higher, more dynamic kicks not commonly used in Okinawan karate. Techniques like mae geri keage (snap front kick) and yoko geri kekomi (thrust side kick) became staples of Shotokan. Some of these innovations may have been influenced by exposure to Western martial arts like Savate (a French kicking art). 3. Breathing and Timing: Yoshitaka emphasized controlled breathing and slower, deliberate execution of techniques to cultivate kime (focus) and greater energy control. This added a level of formality and discipline not as prominent in the Okinawan style. 4. Influence of Other Martial Arts: Yoshitaka incorporated principles from judo and kendo: • From judo, he adopted the concept of maximum efficiency in movements and the fluidity between offense and defense. • From kendo, he borrowed stances and the use of linear attacks, emphasizing strong, forward movement (similar to kendo’s kamae and shikake-waza strategies). 5. Longer Forms (Kata Adaptations): Yoshitaka modified some traditional Okinawan kata, emphasizing aesthetics, symmetry, and longer, more formalized sequences, which suited the preferences of Japanese martial culture at the time. 6. Cultural Transition: As karate gained recognition in Japan, it underwent a transformation from a purely self-defense art to a more structured martial discipline with elements suited for group training, physical education, and competition. Yoshitaka’s innovations aligned with this shift, making karate more appealing to Japanese students and modernizing it for the dojo environment. Summary: While Gichin Funakoshi is credited as the founder of Shotokan, Yoshitaka Funakoshi had a profound influence on shaping the style we recognize today. By integrating influences from other martial arts, introducing more dynamic and athletic techniques, and emphasizing lower stances and aesthetic kata forms, Yoshitaka transformed his father’s Okinawan Shuri-te into the modern Shotokan system.
I was in Shorin Ryu Okinawan Karate from 90-94, roughly. Lots of what I do now in MMA, Judo, JiuJitsu, and Muay Thai that actually works well is from my days in Karate.
Yes the old school styles of Japanese Karate-Do are full complete systems with throws locks wrestling chokes submissions and other self defense techniques not allowed in sports but, all the same a 360 degrees complete system.
I'm a proud karateka, my Sensei was taught by Sensei Hidetaka Nishiyama, the karateka who was shown in the boxing and karate demonstration here. He teaches the same as Nishiyama and I love seeing these kind of videos going over how karate has many aspects and moves in both striking and grappling.
The goju ryu karate school i've been training at for the past year has quite a few grappling techniques and clinch work, which has been nice! There are no MMA focused gyms in my area, so i decided to try it. i wasnt sure what to expect when i first walked in, but its been great!
I am a former karateka who went to trad Japanese Jiu Jitsu via Judo. Karate was a great martial art for power speed and stability - snd built up my physique. However 2 flaws were the "one strike certain death" philisophy isnt what you always want to just subdue someone. And all the locks and throws were never used despite many being in the kata - the instructors didnt know they were there
I started training Shotokan Karate over 20 years ago and I see those same 2 flaws, along with others, present in the modern “traditional” curriculum for many Karate dojos. However, I think most of the issues with “traditional” Karate can be overcome by adopting training methods of the old masters from Okinawa prior to Karate’s adoption by the Imperial Japanese State. While I do think it’s good to train your strikes so that they’re strong enough to stop someone with a single blow under ideal circumstances, I’m convinced the kata were designed by people who knew that “real” fighting isn’t going to work that easily. I believe there are a number of moves in many kata that can be interpreted as a sequences of close range strikes to “soften up” the opponent followed by a throw or some other takedown. I think if taught as a close range clinch fighting system with strikes, locks, being meant to put yourself in position for a successful throw/takedown, drilled, and pressure tested, then Karate can be VERY effective
Growing up I was around family members who used to do karate in 60 n 70’s but I never understood what was the deal. I was basing on my limited knowledge of it and boring katas, the random screaming and breaking wood. Till I watched 70, 80, and 90’s clips of karate tournaments 😮those were eye opening. I’m convinced there’s no modern karate practitioner who can stand toe to toe with past generations. They would get destroyed
I am a Karate student. Long time ago I learnt that there are 3 types of Karate: Budo Karate or Karate jutsu; sports Karate and recreational Karate; but also learned that all 3 are good; depending on your goals and expectations.
I got my blackbelt under Bobby Skinner, who was a direct student of Hidetaka Nishiyama (The man in the boxing video.) R.I.P to two of the greatest karateka that ever lived. Judo and akido were included when taking karate and were used when they would break down the katas. The more I cross train the more I truly appreciate the depth of Shotokan. Oss!
Karate was always complete Only when karate got modernized, people start to think that karate is striping only martial art, when actually karate ia mix of striking, grappling, the art of weapons, etc.
I'm a karatejutsu practitioner, our focus relies on the revival of traditional karate, incorporating all its grappling and striking techniques. The difference is significant; I began my journey with Shotokan karate. Now, my dojo offers intensive combat training in karatejutsu, which is highly effective, and I truly enjoy it. I hope this synthesis could spread longer among karate students and masters, I think we really need this side of the art.
My introduction to the arts turned me from someone who would fight in a second, to someone who does NOT go the route of violence. Aka, I'm a better person
Way back in the 70's Sensei Keiko Fukuda (the highest ranking woman Judoka in the world) would visit our dojo in Goleta California. Her seminars were held at UCSB. At the time I was not a high enough rank or skill to help out at her seminars so I had no first had experience with her. I could be mistaken but I think she was teaching Joshi Judo or women's Judo at the seminar. To this day I have a great deal of respect for her. Thank you for the video.
That classic karate parry is the equivalent to the oldschool boxing parry, it was left without use (at least in boxing) because once they feint and follow with a punch after it leaves you completelly open. That's why head movement was starting to get incroporated into classic boxing and it got modernized.
I'm a first dan in Shotokan and a bjj black belt. There are many grappling techniques 'hidden' in the kata. Throws and foot sweeps such as ashi barai are also commonplace. The Americanization of karate dumbed down the completeness of the art.
@@AlienPsyTing1 The main problem with the Japanese was that they wanted to widespread growth due to money and Okinawan people never saw that in fact is too hot in Okinawa and said by Sensei from there that most people that maintain those dojo open are the foreigners not the local people. They are small associations. Then the USA s GI Joe s that came back to their Country with this new one to fight and finally after that; the Karate flicks
I started in Shotokan and then began Isshinryu. For a while, I did both, but now I only practice Isshinryu, which more closely resembles the karate that Ginchin Funakoshi brought to Japan. Okinawan karate is still very focused on practical self-defense, and I also appreciate the shorter syllabus of Isshinryu (8 open-handed katas vs. 25 or so in Shotokan) and the integration of kobudo. No matter your style, I wish you all a lifetime of good training.
Well the major difference between japanese karate and okinawan karate is that the previous is mostly kickboxing, while the later is basically Ryu Kyu jujutsu a more complete fighting system.
I studied Judo as a Kid under George Kerr, (who was only an 8th Dan then, lol) and have been doing Karate for almost 2 years now. I love Karate but do also want to get back into Judo so I can back fill some of the skills that have been stripped out. I know there is more grappling and throws within Kata but need other willing partners to explore these. I love the channel and I'm itching to further my training.
This was a wonderful presentation. I started studying martial arts in the early 1960s and these are the techniques I remember our Japanese instructors demonstrating. The style of kicking and punching was indeed beautiful as well as powerful. The only problem was that in the long term they were very hard on the joints (as were the old training techniques)!
I am a karateka who spent his life studying traditional karate from the age of 7 and judo from the age of 12. I also have a second degree black belt in hapkido, and have studied boxing for 33 years. I have always focused on self-defense and practical real world use. True effective karate isn't dead, but because it is difficult, it isn't very popular these days.
When guns and other methods and tools for self-defense are available, and not only easy to obtain but also operate. People are not willing to go through the pain and suffering required to learn methods of fighting. This is something that it's reflected in general in humanity at large. Generally people rather avoid conflict than go to war, so it is not surprising that less than 1% of the world's population practices any kind of martial art. P.S. The problem is us violent people who insist on practicing methods to harm and injure fellow human beings.....hahaha! Savages!
You got that right. Old School Karate epitomized the definition of kung-fu. "A long time doing hard work!" Today kids don't have the mental strength and patience to train traditionally. They want to fight before developing good technique, but there are no shortcuts. Keep practice and train for life! Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
There are some Indonesian systems that combined Karate, Judo, and Silat almost flawlessly. Came to America around ~1950; some of the very first Karate schools to open up in the states actually. They marketed themselves more along the lines of Japanese Jiu Jitsu, which makes sense when you consider it was a fighting system developed in Japan where the 2 predominant arts ended up being Karate and Judo... Very VERY secretive schools though. No content on RUclips. All the original tapes (~70's - 80's) are likely kept behind lock and key in some old schooler's vault from the glory days. Those guys didn't like sharing... Great vid and congrats on the book!!!!! Grade A content as usual
@@Gieszkanne that may require more investigation. Karate means chinese hand. Refer to books on Hsing-I by Robert W. Smith and Allen Pittman (Robert Allen Pittman). The Okinawans traded with the Chinese for centuries maybe millennia, so to think that the Okinawans didn’t absorb anything from the Chinese seems a stretch though they probably watched them practice from a distance. Drilling and crossing are pretty obvious in karate katas. The rough history from Yue Fei is the 5 Hsing-I elements (fists) come from weapons used in a line (little side to side movement) on a battlefield. The various animals come into play after the line breaks down into a melee since they move in 8 directions
@@senecaknowsbest8380 Karate is a modern term. The old term was just Te added with the region were it developed. Like the Te from the region Shuri was called Shurite. There are some chineses influence but not from XingYi. Its from southern styles like sothern Louhan and Crane for example. XingYi is a northern style.The relation to the southern styles are much more obvious. XingYi actually is very different form Karate.
I'm really glad you featured this. I'm a geezer now and would like to continue judo as it was intended, i.e., an everyman exercise, with a strong self-defense component. Not everyone can be a shiai star, but we can all participate. Thanks for the great work.
I've been working on my karate pretty diligently, over the past few years. And recently just got my brown belt, coming from a JKD background I see so much cross over between arts. Karate can be especially beneficial for people with disabilities like myself.
Thank you Chadi for this amazing insight into the highly elegant and effective techniques of the past that required an extremely amount of discipline and consistency to achieve and execute. I wish there existed schools in my city that taught this.
Great video. Karate is for self defence character development and health not sport.. Some people try to compare it with MMA which is quite a different activity. It will always be awesome in it's original purpose.
Thank you Chadi. I appreciate your bringing us traditional old school practices and values. I have trained in traditional fashion now for five decades. Both early Shotokan and in Shaolin. My karate teachers teachers were both Nishiyama and Nakayama, so Old School. And our Shaolin goes back in an unbroken lineage for centuries. One thing I learned from this, is that all thats needed for true combat skill is contained in forms practice. Kata and Kime reign supreme. (I hear the groan from the youngsters in the UFC crowd.) The simple fact is "sparring" produces bad habits that will get you killed in the streets. Try it.
Chadi, whoever tells you in this comment section that Karate Katas and blocks are impractical are either ignorant or lying I have some videos that prove applications of Kata do work in the octagon and full contact Karate does work in freestyle fighting.
Despite judo and karate has minimal historical connection, but it certainly cool if they can add the atemi Waza back to judo. For example, they can allow certain strike when you have a grip on your opponent, but a grip in a strike is treated as an advantageous grip position, so it can only remain for 4 seconds before letting go
Chadi, you might consider doing a video on gongkwon yusul. It's sort of a Korean version of kudo/daido juku which is pretty popular. Pretty grappling heavy as well.
Self defence cannot be achieved without it being tested. Boxing, judo, BJJ, kickboxing and wrestling all have competitive aspect to them and as such test the participants. Karate needs to change its competitive format and move away from the point score stoppages.
There are jujitsu techniques in Karate Wado Ryu. Then I noticed that in the Sabaki Tournament (Enshin Karate style) the karatékas often used the throws
didn't know you had a book, but must get a copy! Congrats. These repetitive movements I think is sometimes the benefits are not fully recognised. As well as neuro-memory, over a couple of years it builds up tendon strength.
Hi Chadi....... This is very interesting so thank you for posting. You need to interview Kevin O'Hagan on your channel and discuss his combat Ju-Jitsu system, he is very knowledgeable. Thank you. Best regards, Stefano (UK).
To Renku07: It is funny you claim Karate blocks don't work while I have a video that proves they work in the octagon and the ring. Like I said, you and other comments like you are not gonna age well.
Fantastic! I’m a Judo and karate practitioner and there is a growing movement to preserve this style of training and return some practicality within karate. I try as much as possible to draw on these original techniques. Older Budo karate really had some tough pioneers. Great video as always😎
I saw this years ago, the instructor in video was Nishiyama sensei. I am not a karateka, but I think there are so many different branches now it is kinda hard to say, Nishiyama broke off from JKA and has his own ITKF style, JKA is now very sport oriented. Kanazawa sensei SKIF I heard add some circular softer movement, so even within Shotokan there are like 10 associations/branches just listed on wiki
@@Gieszkanne indeed, I know participants from each style, honestly they look very very different now, you can tell it is from same root, but like distant cousin
As I have learned the purpose of karate technique of kicking defense is to tumble your opponent and not to grapple him with you also on the ground. Just tumble him so you can efficiently attack your opponent while stretched or buttock- sitting on the ground. Your opponent has no more efficient mobility or foot work. Karate, I suppose, became already weak in its foundation because most karate schools ,maybe, offered karate lessons as a sport combat martial arts and no more for karate's ancient purpose to defend yourself in a real combat for survival. So most students now,I think, are trained in the sports method and not for the self defense methods which is really hard, if not even harsh in training. No more training in the extended knuckles and finger strikes, chop which the hand must be hardened to withstand hard impact by hitting a makiwara. Only the dedicated students practice these strikes even just from time to time. These strikes are the dangerous and natural injurious weapons of karate. Instead of learning self defense karate techniques, and then adjust to sports karate if needed' they reverse it- sports karate and then they will not even adjust to real self training and techniques.
What does boxing, judo and karate have in common? They were more effective back in the day. The only thing that makes one fighting style better than the others is consistency’s. My experience of you walk into a boxing gym with in 6 to 12 months you can handle yourself in a street fight. Judo take a bit longer year and 3 months. But karate it’s more flip of the coin because there are so many different styles it could be 1 year or 3 years. Which is a shame because I like all three of them they have their pros & cons but consistency is key so boxing is first, judo 2nd , karate 3rd. But this is my opinion.
In my opinion before Gichin Funacoshi brought Karate in Japan, Karate was complete and had takedowns and grappling. Once it was introduced in Japan a lot of elements of wrestling and grappling were removed because there was judo. Nowadays karate is not as strong as it used to be and the reason for that is Olympics. Once karate has become an olympic sport it became less and less applicable for real life scenarios of self defense and has become more focused on points, rather that being universal self defense tool applicable for various life scenarios!
Hi Chadi, Great video as always. Please note, that many people don't really consider this old school karate as much as early modern karate, and relatively modified especially following World War II (with some exceptions such as iron geta and makiwara (striking post) training). Much of the self-defense kata and other routines that you see in this footage don't only resemble judo, they actually do come from judo/jujutsu/taijutsu. Older karate has its "self-defense" built into its regular kata. As a judoka, consider how realistic some of these women's self-defense or seated self-defense drills would be in a pressure-tested context. While this era of film doesn't help, many would also consider these movements relatively jerky and forced, rather than elegant. I agree with other posters who suggested Iain Abernethy as someone to interview. Patrick McCarthy, Jesse Enkamp, and Peter Consterdine would be other good resources/interviewees around this topic.
Also don't forget to mention Michael Nguyen and Aaron Garcia the creators of karate culture channel. Specially Michael Nguyen who has made many video comparisons of karate with other styles like Muay Thai and specially Judo/jujutsu.
Japanese Dojo of Karate-DO still teach these type of Skills in Karate but they doesn’t teach for Gaijins like us the masters only teach for Japanese people these high level skills.
Throws, locks, etc., were reduced in instruction in the university teaching system Gichin Funakoshi developed (that other comment was excellent) for reasons of politics: Japan was expressly looking to develop a Japanese striking system as part of the nationalism of the growing empire. That's why you don't see whirling heel kicks in the old katas, but they're a sport karate staple: it was borrowed from French foot fencing to create a striking sport to counter boxing's popularity. That was part of the motivation of Hirohito in inviting Funakoshi to the mainland. Funakoshi also wanted to differentiate from the other martial arts already popular: judo was well established and aikido set its roots around this same time period. So, just as judo plays with its rules to differentiate from Olympic wrestling and jiu-jitsu, karate evolved to be different, for better or for worse. All sports, including combat sports, evolve according to their scoring criteria. Focusing more on a single area also benefitted streamlining teaching the large university classes. The throws that were still permitted in WKF were cut to try to make things more exciting and distinct in the attempt to get that trial run in the Tokyo Olympics -- or they just really wanted to nerf Rafael Aghayev. All these politics are part of why karate is so fractured, but Funakoshi's style, shotokan, remains the most popular in Japan and worldwide.
Esse aí tecnicamente é o karatê moderno, se não me engano no vídeo tem o nishiama. Já adequado aos moldes japoneses. Já distanciando do Karatê que Funakoshi Trouxe de Okinawa.
I love Karate soo much, Look the philosophy of Karate is the most beautiful thing I have seen in my life, But the lack of Full Contact tournaments weakened Karate today Karate is more art than martial arts.
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I practice Goju Ryu Karate, and I do think it is quite complete. At my Dojo, a lot of emphasis is given to the practice of Bunkai. The only problem I see with traditional Karate in general (and by that I mean the Okinawan styles) is the lack of sparring. We do have some forms of Kumite, but nothing even close to what they do in Kyokushin, for example.
Today's state of karate is divided between two camps. The major one is the sportive type which as a contact sport and self-defense martial art has become a total disaster. No longer effective as either a contact sport or self-defense martial art. Then there's the few who are precisely looking for its roots and early methods of application as presented here in this video.
Modern karate has been stripped down for competitive means. I know for a fact a lot of high grade practitioners that don't even know what certain techniques are meant for and could not care less. These are people that teach! Only competition techniques remain...
Olá Chadi! Seu canal bo que diz respeito ao estudo do Jujutsu é muito bom, mas fico feliz em ver que descobriu ou percebeu, o que alguns de nós do Karate-Do Shotokan Ryu aqui no Brasil, sabemos a reapeito dele. Alguns profissionais do próprio Karate sejam eles de outros sistemas de Karate ou incrivelmente do próprio Shotokan Ryu, tem propagado pensamentos equivocadoa sobre os conhecimentoa de Gichin Funakoshi Sensei, assim como sobre o Shotokan Ryu e os mestres formados por Nakayama Sensei que vieram para o ocidente e em especial, para o Brasil. Este país é o que possui a aior colônia japonesa nomundo fora do Japão. Dewde o início do século recebemos japoneses aqui e o antigo Kano Ryu Jujutsu(Judo) assim como o Tode/Toudi(arte de Okinawa que viria a se chamar Karate), vieram para cá e eramtreinados na colônia. Mas, oficialmente o Judo e Karate-Do estabelecidos e organizados um pouco depois tirando no caso do Judo, a regra Kosen no Japão, vieram formalmente para cá. Por isso aqui sobreviveu no caso do Jiu Jitsu Brasileiro o ne waza rico da regra Kosen. E no caso do Karate como eu disse, apesar de termos recebido no Brasil a maioria dos japoneses vindos de Okinawa com conhecimentos da arte que se tornaria o Karate, para cá vieram depois por volta dos anos 60 quando aqui chegou oficialmente o Shotokan Ryu, grandes faixas preta com essa formação que você expos no vídeo. Entre eles Taketo Okuda Sensei, Tafashi Takeuchi, Sadamu Uriu, Juiti Sagara etc. Okuda Sensei, estudou na NKK(JKA) ao lado de Hirokazu Kanazawa Sensei. Portanto tem sido difícil ser compreendido no Brasil dentro de um período de 12 anos na internet, falando a favor do Shotokan Ryu, alegando que ele ainda é assim completo como no vídeo, em alguns pouquíssimos Dojo pois, a maioria das escolas também aqui no Braisl, seguiu mais o rumo esportivo. Portanto é injusto ver alguns professores de Karate famosos no Brasil e mundo, desfazendo do Karate que chegou aqui, alegando que já chegou no formqto esportivo porque isso não é verdade. A realidade é que dependendo de com quem estudou, você recebia essa bagagem completa. Mas pela maioria ter levado mais o foco na competição, alguns com os anos aprenderam um Karate mais limitado. Caso haja interesse, me passe um endereço para lhe passar mais informações sobre Karate-Do no Brasil e o BJJ aqui no Rio de Janeiro onde moro e onde ele se desenvolveu. Tenho informações diferenciadas.
Chadi let me tell you from a first hand point of view ….Karate square on short punches don’t work and any western boxer simply out ranges them …their blocks are overly expansive and if there’s one thing boxing proves it’s you can’t block combination punches …the most you can do is parry and move the head with a high guard……
There are plenty of good karate channels here on the RUclips to go see what the movements you’re talking about are used for, go check them out. Good karate doesn’t use “blocks” like you said. Attacks only, all ranges
@@alwaystraining54 hi Always. Hey dude, karate blocks are yes, blocks. Stop trying to be like youtube and think you are smarter than the masters. Substituting arrogance for true knowledge doesn't mane a thing.. Hope that helps... 🤣🤣🤣🤣CHEERS.
@@alwaystraining54 hI. aLWAYS. Saw yur channel... lots of nice material. We have 'masters' here where I am too... 'cept they're not really masters... just say they are. So that's one answer. The better answer is boxing never outclasses competent karate tradition... @ least not for argument sake 9 out of 10 ten times. Boxing science is a separate and different science from karate tradition. Too different theories, bro. Karate tradition is the superior. It's also considerably harder to do than boxing... which pro-am boxing is quite a feat too. I'm karate. And boxers can't beat me. Can they beat me... sure. One has to do karate to traditional standards or they will. Am I a master... heck no. It has nothing to do with 'range' or whatever buzzword boxing you came up with. It has to do with the traditions which underlie karate. Good luck with all that....
In Karate circles there is a story. I don't know if it is true or not or if there is truth to it, how much of it. But it goes as follows. Once when Jigoro Kano visited Okinawa, he attended a Karate demonstration by Kenwa Mabuni (founder of Shito Ryu). After the demonstration ended, Jigoro Kano said, that for his elaborate knowledge Kenwa Mabuni should be given Yon Dan in Judo right away. Classic Karate has a lot in common with Jiu Jitsu and Judo. I wish modern day Karate would return to this level. Because what you see nowadays at tournaments.... nope, simply nope. But what you see in this old videos is not as oldschool as many people think it to be. Because those high kicks simply do not exist in classic Karate.
When look at old videos, one thing I realized, people are THIN and SLIM in those times, it is true all around the world 😁 I think their weight is around 50kg-55kg, they're so light and fast. Compare them to our time, we can see difference. in today videos, people look slower and heavier, isn't it? Or it is because of film speed glitch?
In Karate Dojo the Karatekas are more worried with Kata and Train for Point Tournaments, I love Kata but Kata without Bunkai doesn’t work is only a beautiful dance.
"Tode/Tote" was complete: Te Waza, Keri Waza, Uchi Waza, Nage Waza, Kantetsu Waza, Shime Waza, Ne Waza, Kobudo, and so on. But it was Kano Jigoro who essentially prompted the core Okinawa masters they had to "name" their Ryuha. At that point, Miyagi Chojun Sensei then founded Goju Ryu or "Hard-Soft School." It was politically motivated due to Anti-Chinese sentiment, fast forward to WW2 the Japanese were God awful to the Chinese (the Raping of Nanjing is rarely discussed). I feel everyone should brush up on their "Karate Jutsu" rather emphasizing "Karate Do." Of course, a healthy balance nowadays is a necessity, but again the whole purpose of MARTIAL ARTS is to defend at will when you life is in danger.
Cutting down with hands instead of using the hips is similiar to the drop down throw in aikido. I am a 1st. Da. In shotokan karate and a 3rd. Dan in aikido.
Okinawa Karate was, is, quite complete, with striking, grips, sweeps, dislocations, projections, handling of weapons, strengthening of bodybuilding with its traditional devices, the only thing I did not do was ground fighting. When he moved to Japan, he was losing the topic of dislocations and projections, for this they already had their jujitsu styles, and vice versa they were losing their striking, that's what Karate was for. The karate that is spreading throughout the world is Japanese, the problem is aggravated by sports with unrealistic point-based striking for real life. Regarding Funakosi, there were karate fighters who did not agree at all with what he was doing, among others Mobuto who did much more realistic karate and for personal defense. And the traditional training with weights (maces, vessels, bars, foot and hand locks, etc.) in Okinawan karate is Hojo undo, which did not reach Japan.
A lot of Traditional Martial Arts were watered down in America after the 70s to turn them into glorified daycare centers cus it's more profitable. Sad, now only competitive MAs like Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling, and Boxing get respect.
@@tatumergo3931there is already a couple of place for judo, but they haven't contact me back, so im in still searching. It just that compared with kudo, bjj and judo is much more popular.
Back when I was 13 (1990), i had a karate and wrestling teacher, and he was an expert in karate, Japanese jujitsu, judo, wrestling, and strength trainer. It was normal for karate people to also train jujitsu and judo to supplement karate. There's always been mixed martial arts. Before I saw the first UFC, I understood standing up and ground when getting into street fights.
This has nothing to do with the teachings of gichin funakoshi shigeru egami was the true student of gichin funakoshi shotokan is simply their own twisted version
The book “The Origins & History of Judo” is now available on Amazon worldwide in English, French, and Japanese, not just the links below. You can search for it in the Amazon of your own country.
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@@RadicalTrivia 🔥🔥🔥thank you bro 🙇🏻♂️
You're Lebanese chadi why not translate to arabic
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I started karate at age 15 and still train a little at age 73. The most inspiring training I ever had was in Liverpool under the instruction of Enoeda Sensei and Kanazawa Sensei. Unforgettable, training alongside the great British karateka, Terry O'Neil.
Thanks for showing this film. Tom Lund.
Gichin Funakoshi and Jigoro Kano shared a respectful relationship that significantly contributed to Karate’s transition from Okinawa to mainland Japan. Kano, the founder of Judo, admired Karate’s emphasis on discipline and character, while Funakoshi drew inspiration from Kano’s systematic teaching methods. Kano supported Funakoshi’s efforts by providing space at the Kodokan for Karate demonstrations, lending credibility to the art. Funakoshi adopted elements from Judo, such as the gi and ranking system, to modernize Karate and make it more appealing in Japan. Kano’s influence and endorsement helped Funakoshi introduce Karate to Japanese universities, transforming it from a regional practice into a national and ultimately global martial art.
@@samn4718 thank you for sharing
Too bad he removed most of the throws, locks and grabs.
@@stevenmael This is not the fault of Gichin Funakoshi. That is the responibility of people like Masatoshi Nakayama and some of his fellows. Those are to blame!
@@ralfhtg1056 Gichin Funakoshi introduced karate to mainland Japan in the 1920s, basing it on traditional Okinawan Shuri-te principles, which emphasized upright stances, close-range techniques, and a practical, self-defense-oriented approach. However, as karate transitioned to the Japanese mainland, it began to evolve in response to cultural influences and Yoshitaka’s vision.
Yoshitaka Funakoshi’s Contributions:
1. Lower Stances:
Yoshitaka emphasized deeper stances like zenkutsu-dachi (front stance) and kiba-dachi (horse stance), which differed from the shorter, more upright stances of Okinawan karate. These lower stances improved balance, power, and athleticism, making the techniques more dynamic and suitable for larger, open spaces like Japanese dojo.
2. Dynamic Kicking Techniques:
He expanded the use of kicks, introducing higher, more dynamic kicks not commonly used in Okinawan karate. Techniques like mae geri keage (snap front kick) and yoko geri kekomi (thrust side kick) became staples of Shotokan. Some of these innovations may have been influenced by exposure to Western martial arts like Savate (a French kicking art).
3. Breathing and Timing:
Yoshitaka emphasized controlled breathing and slower, deliberate execution of techniques to cultivate kime (focus) and greater energy control. This added a level of formality and discipline not as prominent in the Okinawan style.
4. Influence of Other Martial Arts:
Yoshitaka incorporated principles from judo and kendo:
• From judo, he adopted the concept of maximum efficiency in movements and the fluidity between offense and defense.
• From kendo, he borrowed stances and the use of linear attacks, emphasizing strong, forward movement (similar to kendo’s kamae and shikake-waza strategies).
5. Longer Forms (Kata Adaptations):
Yoshitaka modified some traditional Okinawan kata, emphasizing aesthetics, symmetry, and longer, more formalized sequences, which suited the preferences of Japanese martial culture at the time.
6. Cultural Transition:
As karate gained recognition in Japan, it underwent a transformation from a purely self-defense art to a more structured martial discipline with elements suited for group training, physical education, and competition. Yoshitaka’s innovations aligned with this shift, making karate more appealing to Japanese students and modernizing it for the dojo environment.
Summary:
While Gichin Funakoshi is credited as the founder of Shotokan, Yoshitaka Funakoshi had a profound influence on shaping the style we recognize today. By integrating influences from other martial arts, introducing more dynamic and athletic techniques, and emphasizing lower stances and aesthetic kata forms, Yoshitaka transformed his father’s Okinawan Shuri-te into the modern Shotokan system.
@@samn4718 thx but I already know this all.
I was in Shorin Ryu Okinawan Karate from 90-94, roughly.
Lots of what I do now in MMA, Judo, JiuJitsu, and Muay Thai that actually works well is from my days in Karate.
Yes the old school styles of Japanese Karate-Do are full complete systems with throws locks wrestling chokes submissions and other self defense techniques not allowed in sports but, all the same a 360 degrees complete system.
Gratulation, endlich mal einer der es gemerkt hat. (dies meine ich nicht ironisch)
I'm a proud karateka, my Sensei was taught by Sensei Hidetaka Nishiyama, the karateka who was shown in the boxing and karate demonstration here. He teaches the same as Nishiyama and I love seeing these kind of videos going over how karate has many aspects and moves in both striking and grappling.
The goju ryu karate school i've been training at for the past year has quite a few grappling techniques and clinch work, which has been nice! There are no MMA focused gyms in my area, so i decided to try it. i wasnt sure what to expect when i first walked in, but its been great!
I am a former karateka who went to trad Japanese Jiu Jitsu via Judo. Karate was a great martial art for power speed and stability - snd built up my physique. However 2 flaws were the "one strike certain death" philisophy isnt what you always want to just subdue someone. And all the locks and throws were never used despite many being in the kata - the instructors didnt know they were there
I started training Shotokan Karate over 20 years ago and I see those same 2 flaws, along with others, present in the modern “traditional” curriculum for many Karate dojos.
However, I think most of the issues with “traditional” Karate can be overcome by adopting training methods of the old masters from Okinawa prior to Karate’s adoption by the Imperial Japanese State.
While I do think it’s good to train your strikes so that they’re strong enough to stop someone with a single blow under ideal circumstances, I’m convinced the kata were designed by people who knew that “real” fighting isn’t going to work that easily.
I believe there are a number of moves in many kata that can be interpreted as a sequences of close range strikes to “soften up” the opponent followed by a throw or some other takedown.
I think if taught as a close range clinch fighting system with strikes, locks, being meant to put yourself in position for a successful throw/takedown, drilled, and pressure tested, then Karate can be VERY effective
@@alexanderren1097 100% agree with you sir
I trained Okinawan KARATE and everything you say is true 👍
this is more a issue with the instructor than with karate itself
Karate is not single strike but the competition of single point stoppages do not translate to self defence.
I'm impressed with this older Karate...
thanks for presenting this to us Chadi
Growing up I was around family members who used to do karate in 60 n 70’s but I never understood what was the deal. I was basing on my limited knowledge of it and boring katas, the random screaming and breaking wood. Till I watched 70, 80, and 90’s clips of karate tournaments 😮those were eye opening. I’m convinced there’s no modern karate practitioner who can stand toe to toe with past generations. They would get destroyed
I am a Karate student. Long time ago I learnt that there are 3 types of Karate: Budo Karate or Karate jutsu; sports Karate and recreational Karate; but also learned that all 3 are good; depending on your goals and expectations.
I got my blackbelt under Bobby Skinner, who was a direct student of Hidetaka Nishiyama (The man in the boxing video.) R.I.P to two of the greatest karateka that ever lived. Judo and akido were included when taking karate and were used when they would break down the katas. The more I cross train the more I truly appreciate the depth of Shotokan. Oss!
Nishiyama was Bruce Lee's jacked before Bruce was even born! The man trained with sumo wrestlers!
Karate was always complete
Only when karate got modernized, people start to think that karate is striping only martial art, when actually karate ia mix of striking, grappling, the art of weapons, etc.
Modernised?
It simply is not effective to do kata style forms and expect it to translate.
I'm a karatejutsu practitioner, our focus relies on the revival of traditional karate, incorporating all its grappling and striking techniques. The difference is significant; I began my journey with Shotokan karate. Now, my dojo offers intensive combat training in karatejutsu, which is highly effective, and I truly enjoy it.
I hope this synthesis could spread longer among karate students and masters, I think we really need this side of the art.
Which ryuha? I train mainly Matsubayashi-Ryu and make crosstraining in White Crane Kung Fu, Boxing.
@salvatoreplacidoplumari3840 Nice!
do you think kudo has accomplished this
@@npaprika1Kudo is great, but it focuses on attacking, while old karate had ways of controlling the attacker's hands, to strike without being hit.
"The goal is to create a better society and self-defense." A paramount statement, Chadi. Thank you 🙇🏾♂️
@@thinkordie7292 🙇🏻♂️
My introduction to the arts turned me from someone who would fight in a second, to someone who does NOT go the route of violence. Aka, I'm a better person
Way back in the 70's Sensei Keiko Fukuda (the highest ranking woman Judoka in the world) would visit our dojo in Goleta California. Her seminars were held at UCSB. At the time I was not a high enough rank or skill to help out at her seminars so I had no first had experience with her. I could be mistaken but I think she was teaching Joshi Judo or women's Judo at the seminar. To this day I have a great deal of respect for her.
Thank you for the video.
@@Titan500J she also loved ju no kata
This is a very valuable video. Also, the commentary and explanations are great.
Thank you
That classic karate parry is the equivalent to the oldschool boxing parry, it was left without use (at least in boxing) because once they feint and follow with a punch after it leaves you completelly open. That's why head movement was starting to get incroporated into classic boxing and it got modernized.
I'm a first dan in Shotokan and a bjj black belt. There are many grappling techniques 'hidden' in the kata. Throws and foot sweeps such as ashi barai are also commonplace. The Americanization of karate dumbed down the completeness of the art.
I agree and blame all that 60-70's California point sparring that somehow became the norm for what to expect from a karateka.
The Japanisation of Okinawa karate helped
Ruin karate
@@AlienPsyTing1 Correct, thank you. And people try to blame the Koreans and Americans for imitating the Japanese.
@@AlienPsyTing1 The main problem with the Japanese was that they wanted to widespread growth due to money and Okinawan people never saw that in fact is too hot in Okinawa and said by Sensei from there that most people that maintain those dojo open are the foreigners not the local people. They are small associations.
Then the USA s GI Joe s that came back to their Country with this new one to fight and finally after that; the Karate flicks
@@toddabbruzzese3974 Then in modern times the Gracie from Brasil; ruined martial arts
great clip! I've been working to bring back karate to it's complete roots 🙏
I started in Shotokan and then began Isshinryu. For a while, I did both, but now I only practice Isshinryu, which more closely resembles the karate that Ginchin Funakoshi brought to Japan. Okinawan karate is still very focused on practical self-defense, and I also appreciate the shorter syllabus of Isshinryu (8 open-handed katas vs. 25 or so in Shotokan) and the integration of kobudo. No matter your style, I wish you all a lifetime of good training.
Well the major difference between japanese karate and okinawan karate is that the previous is mostly kickboxing, while the later is basically Ryu Kyu jujutsu a more complete fighting system.
I like the way you think. All the best!
I studied Judo as a Kid under George Kerr, (who was only an 8th Dan then, lol) and have been doing Karate for almost 2 years now. I love Karate but do also want to get back into Judo so I can back fill some of the skills that have been stripped out. I know there is more grappling and throws within Kata but need other willing partners to explore these. I love the channel and I'm itching to further my training.
This was a wonderful presentation. I started studying martial arts in the early 1960s and these are the techniques I remember our Japanese instructors demonstrating. The style of kicking and punching was indeed beautiful as well as powerful. The only problem was that in the long term they were very hard on the joints (as were the old training techniques)!
@@arnoldcohen1250 thank you for sharing
Excellent footage of judo and shotokan Karate
I am a karateka who spent his life studying traditional karate from the age of 7 and judo from the age of 12. I also have a second degree black belt in hapkido, and have studied boxing for 33 years. I have always focused on self-defense and practical real world use. True effective karate isn't dead, but because it is difficult, it isn't very popular these days.
When guns and other methods and tools for self-defense are available, and not only easy to obtain but also operate. People are not willing to go through the pain and suffering required to learn methods of fighting.
This is something that it's reflected in general in humanity at large. Generally people rather avoid conflict than go to war, so it is not surprising that less than 1% of the world's population practices any kind of martial art.
P.S. The problem is us violent people who insist on practicing methods to harm and injure fellow human beings.....hahaha! Savages!
You got that right. Old School Karate epitomized the definition of kung-fu.
"A long time doing hard work!" Today kids don't have the mental strength and patience to train traditionally.
They want to fight before developing good technique, but there are no shortcuts.
Keep practice and train for life!
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
Excellent video. It’s great to see this art
Chadi speak with Iain Abernethy on the subject of Karate.
I second this. Iain would be a fantastic guest for Chadi. Very much in line with the excellent guests Chadi has.
You're quite an aficionado. Great content, somewhat rare to see such good understanding/ insight!
@@toddfrancis8428 I appreciate that, thank you
There are some Indonesian systems that combined Karate, Judo, and Silat almost flawlessly. Came to America around ~1950; some of the very first Karate schools to open up in the states actually. They marketed themselves more along the lines of Japanese Jiu Jitsu, which makes sense when you consider it was a fighting system developed in Japan where the 2 predominant arts ended up being Karate and Judo...
Very VERY secretive schools though. No content on RUclips. All the original tapes (~70's - 80's) are likely kept behind lock and key in some old schooler's vault from the glory days. Those guys didn't like sharing...
Great vid and congrats on the book!!!!! Grade A content as usual
Hsing-i roots are clearly visible in shorin (shaolin) karate. The difficult part is discovering the original purpose of the movements.
I have practised Karate for 20 years, I have been practising Hsing-i for 6 months and found that there is a similar feel to the art in many respects
Similarity doesnt mean they are related. Karate has no roots in XingYi Quan.
@@Gieszkanne that may require more investigation. Karate means chinese hand. Refer to books on Hsing-I by Robert W. Smith and Allen Pittman (Robert Allen Pittman). The Okinawans traded with the Chinese for centuries maybe millennia, so to think that the Okinawans didn’t absorb anything from the Chinese seems a stretch though they probably watched them practice from a distance. Drilling and crossing are pretty obvious in karate katas. The rough history from Yue Fei is the 5 Hsing-I elements (fists) come from weapons used in a line (little side to side movement) on a battlefield. The various animals come into play after the line breaks down into a melee since they move in 8 directions
@@senecaknowsbest8380 Karate is a modern term. The old term was just Te added with the region were it developed. Like the Te from the region Shuri was called Shurite. There are some chineses influence but not from XingYi. Its from southern styles like sothern Louhan and Crane for example. XingYi is a northern style.The relation to the southern styles are much more obvious. XingYi actually is very different form Karate.
I'm really glad you featured this. I'm a geezer now and would like to continue judo as it was intended, i.e., an everyman exercise, with a strong self-defense component. Not everyone can be a shiai star, but we can all participate. Thanks for the great work.
I've been working on my karate pretty diligently, over the past few years. And recently just got my brown belt, coming from a JKD background I see so much cross over between arts. Karate can be especially beneficial for people with disabilities like myself.
That's a masterpiece arigato from a long time practicioner
Thank you Chadi for this amazing insight into the highly elegant and effective techniques of the past that required an extremely amount of discipline and consistency to achieve and execute. I wish there existed schools in my city that taught this.
Great video. Karate is for self defence character development and health not sport.. Some people try to compare it with MMA which is quite a different activity. It will always be awesome in it's original purpose.
Thank you Chadi. I appreciate your bringing us traditional old school practices and values.
I have trained in traditional fashion now for five decades. Both early Shotokan and in Shaolin.
My karate teachers teachers were both Nishiyama and Nakayama, so Old School.
And our Shaolin goes back in an unbroken lineage for centuries.
One thing I learned from this, is that all thats needed for true combat skill is contained in forms practice.
Kata and Kime reign supreme.
(I hear the groan from the youngsters in the UFC crowd.)
The simple fact is "sparring" produces bad habits that will get you killed in the streets.
Try it.
Chadi, whoever tells you in this comment section that Karate Katas and blocks are impractical are either ignorant or lying I have some videos that prove applications of Kata do work in the octagon and full contact Karate does work in freestyle fighting.
Despite judo and karate has minimal historical connection, but it certainly cool if they can add the atemi Waza back to judo. For example, they can allow certain strike when you have a grip on your opponent, but a grip in a strike is treated as an advantageous grip position, so it can only remain for 4 seconds before letting go
Great video! Love old school karate!
I enjoyed the small amount of Karate I learned when I was younger, definately one of my favourite styles
Are you familiar with Jesse Enkamp's (The Karate Nerd) channel? Good source of information on karate.
Thank you, Chadi.
Chadi, you might consider doing a video on gongkwon yusul. It's sort of a Korean version of kudo/daido juku which is pretty popular. Pretty grappling heavy as well.
Fantastic video Chadi.
@@jonatho85 thank you
Thank u Chadi amazing video
Okazaki ( very young) , Nishiyama , Nakayama - back when they were forging and developing as early Dans - Classic footage
Karate Japan popular fighting sports
This is great Chadi.
Self defence cannot be achieved without it being tested. Boxing, judo, BJJ, kickboxing and wrestling all have competitive aspect to them and as such test the participants. Karate needs to change its competitive format and move away from the point score stoppages.
There are jujitsu techniques in Karate Wado Ryu. Then I noticed that in the Sabaki Tournament (Enshin Karate style) the karatékas often used the throws
didn't know you had a book, but must get a copy! Congrats.
These repetitive movements I think is sometimes the benefits are not fully recognised. As well as neuro-memory, over a couple of years it builds up tendon strength.
Hi Chadi.......
This is very interesting so thank you for posting.
You need to interview Kevin O'Hagan on your channel and discuss his combat Ju-Jitsu system, he is very knowledgeable.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Stefano (UK).
@@stefanobio7045 I’ll reach out
Thanks for the video
@@johnpittsii7524 🙇🏻♂️
To Renku07: It is funny you claim Karate blocks don't work while I have a video that proves they work in the octagon and the ring. Like I said, you and other comments like you are not gonna age well.
Fantastic! I’m a Judo and karate practitioner and there is a growing movement to preserve this style of training and return some practicality within karate. I try as much as possible to draw on these original techniques. Older Budo karate really had some tough pioneers. Great video as always😎
@@judorateka607 thank you
@@Chadiit’s worth checking out Mikio Yahara, Taiji Kase, for further study. Thanks for posting this.
My first martial arts!❤
I saw this years ago, the instructor in video was Nishiyama sensei. I am not a karateka, but I think there are so many different branches now it is kinda hard to say, Nishiyama broke off from JKA and has his own ITKF style, JKA is now very sport oriented. Kanazawa sensei SKIF I heard add some circular softer movement, so even within Shotokan there are like 10 associations/branches just listed on wiki
Same thing with ITF Taekwondo and WTF Taekwondo. WTF is totally sport orientated while ITF has still a part of self defence.
@@Gieszkanne indeed, I know participants from each style, honestly they look very very different now, you can tell it is from same root, but like distant cousin
As I have learned the purpose of karate technique of kicking defense is to tumble your opponent and not to grapple him with you also on the ground. Just tumble him so you can efficiently attack your opponent while stretched or buttock- sitting on the ground. Your opponent has no more efficient mobility or foot work. Karate, I suppose, became already weak in its foundation because most karate schools ,maybe, offered karate lessons as a sport combat martial arts and no more for karate's ancient purpose to defend yourself in a real combat for survival. So most students now,I think, are trained in the sports method and not for the self defense methods which is really hard, if not even harsh in training. No more training in the extended knuckles and finger strikes, chop which the hand must be hardened to withstand hard impact by hitting a makiwara. Only the dedicated students practice these strikes even just from time to time. These strikes are the dangerous and natural injurious weapons of karate. Instead of learning self defense karate techniques, and then adjust to sports karate if needed' they reverse it- sports karate and then they will not even adjust to real self training and techniques.
What does boxing, judo and karate have in common? They were more effective back in the day. The only thing that makes one fighting style better than the others is consistency’s.
My experience of you walk into a boxing gym with in 6 to 12 months you can handle yourself in a street fight. Judo take a bit longer year and 3 months. But karate it’s more flip of the coin because there are so many different styles it could be 1 year or 3 years. Which is a shame because I like all three of them they have their pros & cons but consistency is key so boxing is first, judo 2nd , karate 3rd. But this is my opinion.
Many of the older Karate Masters were also Judo ka Black belts (as was my mater from Japan). He was also an Aikido ka.
In my opinion before Gichin Funacoshi brought Karate in Japan, Karate was complete and had takedowns and grappling. Once it was introduced in Japan a lot of elements of wrestling and grappling were removed because there was judo. Nowadays karate is not as strong as it used to be and the reason for that is Olympics. Once karate has become an olympic sport it became less and less applicable for real life scenarios of self defense and has become more focused on points, rather that being universal self defense tool applicable for various life scenarios!
Hi Chadi, Great video as always. Please note, that many people don't really consider this old school karate as much as early modern karate, and relatively modified especially following World War II (with some exceptions such as iron geta and makiwara (striking post) training). Much of the self-defense kata and other routines that you see in this footage don't only resemble judo, they actually do come from judo/jujutsu/taijutsu. Older karate has its "self-defense" built into its regular kata. As a judoka, consider how realistic some of these women's self-defense or seated self-defense drills would be in a pressure-tested context.
While this era of film doesn't help, many would also consider these movements relatively jerky and forced, rather than elegant.
I agree with other posters who suggested Iain Abernethy as someone to interview. Patrick McCarthy, Jesse Enkamp, and Peter Consterdine would be other good resources/interviewees around this topic.
Thank you, I’ll reach out to them
Also don't forget to mention Michael Nguyen and Aaron Garcia the creators of karate culture channel. Specially Michael Nguyen who has made many video comparisons of karate with other styles like Muay Thai and specially Judo/jujutsu.
Nakayama, Nishiyama, Okazaki, Kanazawa, Enoeda are all in it. All of them had judo, kendo as their foundations that gave them the strong cores.
Thank you
Japanese Dojo of Karate-DO still teach these type of Skills in Karate but they doesn’t teach for Gaijins like us the masters only teach for Japanese people these high level skills.
Throws, locks, etc., were reduced in instruction in the university teaching system Gichin Funakoshi developed (that other comment was excellent) for reasons of politics: Japan was expressly looking to develop a Japanese striking system as part of the nationalism of the growing empire. That's why you don't see whirling heel kicks in the old katas, but they're a sport karate staple: it was borrowed from French foot fencing to create a striking sport to counter boxing's popularity. That was part of the motivation of Hirohito in inviting Funakoshi to the mainland. Funakoshi also wanted to differentiate from the other martial arts already popular: judo was well established and aikido set its roots around this same time period. So, just as judo plays with its rules to differentiate from Olympic wrestling and jiu-jitsu, karate evolved to be different, for better or for worse. All sports, including combat sports, evolve according to their scoring criteria. Focusing more on a single area also benefitted streamlining teaching the large university classes. The throws that were still permitted in WKF were cut to try to make things more exciting and distinct in the attempt to get that trial run in the Tokyo Olympics -- or they just really wanted to nerf Rafael Aghayev. All these politics are part of why karate is so fractured, but Funakoshi's style, shotokan, remains the most popular in Japan and worldwide.
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Esse aí tecnicamente é o karatê moderno, se não me engano no vídeo tem o nishiama. Já adequado aos moldes japoneses. Já distanciando do Karatê que Funakoshi Trouxe de Okinawa.
I love Karate soo much, Look the philosophy of Karate is the most beautiful thing I have seen in my life, But the lack of Full Contact tournaments weakened Karate today Karate is more art than martial arts.
I practice Goju Ryu Karate, and I do think it is quite complete. At my Dojo, a lot of emphasis is given to the practice of Bunkai. The only problem I see with traditional Karate in general (and by that I mean the Okinawan styles) is the lack of sparring. We do have some forms of Kumite, but nothing even close to what they do in Kyokushin, for example.
Today's state of karate is divided between two camps. The major one is the sportive type which as a contact sport and self-defense martial art has become a total disaster. No longer effective as either a contact sport or self-defense martial art.
Then there's the few who are precisely looking for its roots and early methods of application as presented here in this video.
Modern karate has been stripped down for competitive means. I know for a fact a lot of high grade practitioners that don't even know what certain techniques are meant for and could not care less. These are people that teach! Only competition techniques remain...
Where did you find these videos
Olá Chadi! Seu canal bo que diz respeito ao estudo do Jujutsu é muito bom, mas fico feliz em ver que descobriu ou percebeu, o que alguns de nós do Karate-Do Shotokan Ryu aqui no Brasil, sabemos a reapeito dele.
Alguns profissionais do próprio Karate sejam eles de outros sistemas de Karate ou incrivelmente do próprio Shotokan Ryu, tem propagado pensamentos equivocadoa sobre os conhecimentoa de Gichin Funakoshi Sensei, assim como sobre o Shotokan Ryu e os mestres formados por Nakayama Sensei que vieram para o ocidente e em especial, para o Brasil. Este país é o que possui a aior colônia japonesa nomundo fora do Japão. Dewde o início do século recebemos japoneses aqui e o antigo Kano Ryu Jujutsu(Judo) assim como o Tode/Toudi(arte de Okinawa que viria a se chamar Karate), vieram para cá e eramtreinados na colônia.
Mas, oficialmente o Judo e Karate-Do estabelecidos e organizados um pouco depois tirando no caso do Judo, a regra Kosen no Japão, vieram formalmente para cá. Por isso aqui sobreviveu no caso do Jiu Jitsu Brasileiro o ne waza rico da regra Kosen.
E no caso do Karate como eu disse, apesar de termos recebido no Brasil a maioria dos japoneses vindos de Okinawa com conhecimentos da arte que se tornaria o Karate, para cá vieram depois por volta dos anos 60 quando aqui chegou oficialmente o Shotokan Ryu, grandes faixas preta com essa formação que você expos no vídeo. Entre eles Taketo Okuda Sensei, Tafashi Takeuchi, Sadamu Uriu, Juiti Sagara etc. Okuda Sensei, estudou na NKK(JKA) ao lado de Hirokazu Kanazawa Sensei.
Portanto tem sido difícil ser compreendido no Brasil dentro de um período de 12 anos na internet, falando a favor do Shotokan Ryu, alegando que ele ainda é assim completo como no vídeo, em alguns pouquíssimos Dojo pois, a maioria das escolas também aqui no Braisl, seguiu mais o rumo esportivo.
Portanto é injusto ver alguns professores de Karate famosos no Brasil e mundo, desfazendo do Karate que chegou aqui, alegando que já chegou no formqto esportivo porque isso não é verdade. A realidade é que dependendo de com quem estudou, você recebia essa bagagem completa. Mas pela maioria ter levado mais o foco na competição, alguns com os anos aprenderam um Karate mais limitado.
Caso haja interesse, me passe um endereço para lhe passar mais informações sobre Karate-Do no Brasil e o BJJ aqui no Rio de Janeiro onde moro e onde ele se desenvolveu. Tenho informações diferenciadas.
Chadi let me tell you from a first hand point of view ….Karate square on short punches don’t work and any western boxer simply out ranges them …their blocks are overly expansive and if there’s one thing boxing proves it’s you can’t block combination punches …the most you can do is parry and move the head with a high guard……
There are plenty of good karate channels here on the RUclips to go see what the movements you’re talking about are used for, go check them out. Good karate doesn’t use “blocks” like you said. Attacks only, all ranges
I laughed at comments saying "X don't work, Y is more superior" nowadays, I can't take it seriously. 😂
@@alwaystraining54 hi Always. Hey dude, karate blocks are yes, blocks. Stop trying to be like youtube and think you are smarter than the masters. Substituting arrogance for true knowledge doesn't mane a thing.. Hope that helps... 🤣🤣🤣🤣CHEERS.
@@stanclark3992 how do you know I’m not a master myself?
@@alwaystraining54 hI. aLWAYS. Saw yur channel... lots of nice material.
We have 'masters' here where I am too... 'cept they're not really masters... just say they are. So that's one answer.
The better answer is boxing never outclasses competent karate tradition... @ least not for argument sake 9 out of 10 ten times.
Boxing science is a separate and different science from karate tradition. Too different theories, bro. Karate tradition is the superior. It's also considerably harder to do than boxing... which pro-am boxing is quite a feat too.
I'm karate. And boxers can't beat me. Can they beat me... sure. One has to do karate to traditional standards or they will. Am I a master... heck no. It has nothing to do with 'range' or whatever buzzword boxing you came up with. It has to do with the traditions which underlie karate.
Good luck with all that....
Old School karate was all about the mind and the conditioning of the body new school. Karate is about complaining and leaving early.
Was this one style of karate featured here or a compilation? If it was one style which one was it?
This is mostly Shotokan.
I agree, but i think the b&w kneeling (ie not sitting in a chair) might have been wado ryu. @@InGrindWeCrust2010
Wooooww😊 chadi is great!!!!
@@sergiobacellar5570 🙇🏻♂️
In Karate circles there is a story. I don't know if it is true or not or if there is truth to it, how much of it. But it goes as follows. Once when Jigoro Kano visited Okinawa, he attended a Karate demonstration by Kenwa Mabuni (founder of Shito Ryu). After the demonstration ended, Jigoro Kano said, that for his elaborate knowledge Kenwa Mabuni should be given Yon Dan in Judo right away. Classic Karate has a lot in common with Jiu Jitsu and Judo. I wish modern day Karate would return to this level. Because what you see nowadays at tournaments.... nope, simply nope.
But what you see in this old videos is not as oldschool as many people think it to be. Because those high kicks simply do not exist in classic Karate.
The biggest problem with Modern Karate is the lack of Full Contact tournaments, It is impossible to find Full Contact Karate tournaments in Tokyo.
How did the flowing motions from chinese martial arts get translated into these more rigid movements?
When look at old videos, one thing I realized, people are THIN and SLIM in those times, it is true all around the world 😁
I think their weight is around 50kg-55kg, they're so light and fast. Compare them to our time, we can see difference. in today videos, people look slower and heavier, isn't it? Or it is because of film speed glitch?
In Karate Dojo the Karatekas are more worried with Kata and Train for Point Tournaments, I love Kata but Kata without Bunkai doesn’t work is only a beautiful dance.
"Tode/Tote" was complete: Te Waza, Keri Waza, Uchi Waza, Nage Waza, Kantetsu Waza, Shime Waza, Ne Waza, Kobudo, and so on. But it was Kano Jigoro who essentially prompted the core Okinawa masters they had to "name" their Ryuha. At that point, Miyagi Chojun Sensei then founded Goju Ryu or "Hard-Soft School." It was politically motivated due to Anti-Chinese sentiment, fast forward to WW2 the Japanese were God awful to the Chinese (the Raping of Nanjing is rarely discussed).
I feel everyone should brush up on their "Karate Jutsu" rather emphasizing "Karate Do." Of course, a healthy balance nowadays is a necessity, but again the whole purpose of MARTIAL ARTS is to defend at will when you life is in danger.
Cutting down with hands instead of using the hips is similiar to the drop down throw in aikido. I am a 1st. Da. In shotokan karate and a 3rd. Dan in aikido.
Morio higaonna at 35 years age old was very dangerous.
Believe me.
Please read: KARATE JITSU by Gichen Funakoshi.
Some okinawan styles still practice throws and join locks. Yuishinkan Goju ryu even has ne-waza.
Okinawa Karate was, is, quite complete, with striking, grips, sweeps, dislocations, projections, handling of weapons, strengthening of bodybuilding with its traditional devices, the only thing I did not do was ground fighting. When he moved to Japan, he was losing the topic of dislocations and projections, for this they already had their jujitsu styles, and vice versa they were losing their striking, that's what Karate was for. The karate that is spreading throughout the world is Japanese, the problem is aggravated by sports with unrealistic point-based striking for real life. Regarding Funakosi, there were karate fighters who did not agree at all with what he was doing, among others Mobuto who did much more realistic karate and for personal defense. And the traditional training with weights (maces, vessels, bars, foot and hand locks, etc.) in Okinawan karate is Hojo undo, which did not reach Japan.
A lot of Traditional Martial Arts were watered down in America after the 70s to turn them into glorified daycare centers cus it's more profitable. Sad, now only competitive MAs like Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling, and Boxing get respect.
What style of karate and judo?
Shotokan karata
@johnparry8784 Thank you.
I am going to assume Kodakan judo.
you can collab with the karate nerd jesse
I'm a karateka, searching for a judo class in my area, tried MMA classes but not for me.
The throws are there in karate but never practice/drilled
Why not try Kudo?
@@Chadi Kudo is not available in my area.
Are you trying to decide between clubs/schools or just literally trying to find a place ?
@@tatumergo3931there is already a couple of place for judo, but they haven't contact me back, so im in still searching.
It just that compared with kudo, bjj and judo is much more popular.
@@tatumergo3931 I have checked that kudo is 100% not available in my area.
I have contacted some judo place but haven't received any replies yet
Back when I was 13 (1990), i had a karate and wrestling teacher, and he was an expert in karate, Japanese jujitsu, judo, wrestling, and strength trainer. It was normal for karate people to also train jujitsu and judo to supplement karate. There's always been mixed martial arts. Before I saw the first UFC, I understood standing up and ground when getting into street fights.
Atemi waza for a better kake.
Someone's going to comment "that woman couldn't defend herself against Jon Jones".
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This has nothing to do with the teachings of gichin funakoshi shigeru egami was the true student of gichin funakoshi shotokan is simply their own twisted version
If you want fight Full contact in Karate you don't find a Tournament to fight and have to change to Kickboxing that's the reality.
You don't see people move like this anymore.
I move like this in my backyard everyday kata all 24 from the Best Karate Book series