A thoughtful overview, as usual. In following this general election from the outside, I keep returning to the irony of not seeing a lot of representation of my values in those manifestos despite that Britain has the multiparty system I'd prefer to our artificial two-party duopoly that seems to only exist for itself. Not sure if I'd cast a pragmatic vote for somebody or join those friends who choose not to for valid reasons!
I get it, and whilst theoretically we do indeed have a multi-party system, it is nowhere near as meaningful as say, France. The problem is, the parties who I think best resonate with me have no hope of any meaningful power in the current FPTP system and so you are left with voting anyway and allowing a party you dislike more getting the seat or voting for a party you dislike least and giving them the sense that they are a popular party...
I looked into Baha'i years ago. I think it's beautiful but didn't feel like it was culturally appropriate for me, if that makes sense? I live in Appalachia and the practice didn't come naturally to me.
That is quite interesting that there are Quakers of all political stripes who are active in UK campaigns and who hold office in the government. (I guess I am guilty of assuming they would all be on the liberal side of the aisle, as you mentioned...)
In the Ohio Yearly Meeting of conservative/traditional Quakers, there is a subset of meetings heavily influenced by their proximity to conservative Anabaptists. This often means some form of plain dress and also the belief that we do not belong to this kingdom, the worldly kingdom, rather to God's Kingdom. Therefore we should not be overly concerned in earthly, worldly, fleshly governments and systems, rather we should minimize our contact and participation in them. They are for God to oversee and establish, not for Godly people. [But as you say in the video, this is not representative of the majority of OYM and certainly not of most Quakers in the US or the world.]
I believe there is a very small group of Conservative Quakers in the UK (Primitive Quakers they are called) who are not in fellowship with BYM but I am not sure if they are similar to what you are meaning. I believe they are more Christian focussed than they feel BYM is.
@Quake-It-Up Yes, that is exactly what I was wondering. Thanks. 😊 (So they are probably unprogrammed as "primitives"?) (Or perhaps, as Christian-identified, they could be programmed and more like Evangelical Friends..?) 🤷♂️
A thoughtful overview, as usual. In following this general election from the outside, I keep returning to the irony of not seeing a lot of representation of my values in those manifestos despite that Britain has the multiparty system I'd prefer to our artificial two-party duopoly that seems to only exist for itself. Not sure if I'd cast a pragmatic vote for somebody or join those friends who choose not to for valid reasons!
I get it, and whilst theoretically we do indeed have a multi-party system, it is nowhere near as meaningful as say, France. The problem is, the parties who I think best resonate with me have no hope of any meaningful power in the current FPTP system and so you are left with voting anyway and allowing a party you dislike more getting the seat or voting for a party you dislike least and giving them the sense that they are a popular party...
Helpful. Thanks 🙏🏻
You’re welcome!
I like the way the Baha’i faith sees politics, vote but don’t run for office because it can be divisive and can involve a lot of negative aspects.
I’ve heard a little about Baha’i from people on this channel… need to check it out!
I looked into Baha'i years ago. I think it's beautiful but didn't feel like it was culturally appropriate for me, if that makes sense? I live in Appalachia and the practice didn't come naturally to me.
Enjoyed listening, as always. ❤
Thank you :)
That is quite interesting that there are Quakers of all political stripes who are active in UK campaigns and who hold office in the government. (I guess I am guilty of assuming they would all be on the liberal side of the aisle, as you mentioned...)
I’d think the same, but I suppose there are other influences than just religion when it comes to voting, family bias for example…
In the Ohio Yearly Meeting of conservative/traditional Quakers, there is a subset of meetings heavily influenced by their proximity to conservative Anabaptists. This often means some form of plain dress and also the belief that we do not belong to this kingdom, the worldly kingdom, rather to God's Kingdom. Therefore we should not be overly concerned in earthly, worldly, fleshly governments and systems, rather we should minimize our contact and participation in them. They are for God to oversee and establish, not for Godly people. [But as you say in the video, this is not representative of the majority of OYM and certainly not of most Quakers in the US or the world.]
I wonder if there is anything like this, perhaps some small sect of Quakers in the UK..?
@@ajits64 one is in Ireland ... I'm speaking for myself
I believe there is a very small group of Conservative Quakers in the UK (Primitive Quakers they are called) who are not in fellowship with BYM but I am not sure if they are similar to what you are meaning. I believe they are more Christian focussed than they feel BYM is.
@Quake-It-Up Yes, that is exactly what I was wondering. Thanks. 😊
(So they are probably unprogrammed as "primitives"?) (Or perhaps, as Christian-identified, they could be programmed and more like Evangelical Friends..?) 🤷♂️