I used to watch the old Fight World Video Magazines that Jeff Osborne would put out on VHS. I can remember Perretti talking about how messed up his hands were and all about the new UFC gloves to protect the fighters' hands.
I was at the Pele/Miletich fight and remember hearing before the fight rumblings about Pat's back. You could tell too. I wish I'd met Perretti that night. Mo Smith was there, Sato, Ruas, Sakurai, Conan, and more...just in attendance!
@LytesOutClips yeah...as soon as he stopped paying people lol. I don't know who bankrolled those giant shows. WEF 8 had just as many big names in attendance. Chuck, Tito, all the others I listed...the Tapout guys. Oh forgot watching Babalu soccer kick Brad Kohler's head. What a wild card. Horn vs Big Nog. I used to tell Forrest that before he'd ever trained, Horn did 3 competitive rounds vs Big Nog (Forrest fought Horn like 3 years after he began training).
There was a brief period when the WEF was the best MMA promotion in the world. They had talent no other company could match. This was before the days of exclusive contracts and fighters could ply their trade wherever and there were far fewer impediments the great fights happening. Of course the show was losing money hand over fist and Levine was a crook who didn’t like to pay people but there will still some amazing fights.
Perretti hooked it up! Epic interview! Learn so much from this podcast while jaxxon just jokes around the entire time, this one is the real deal on mma history and lost information
@anthonyventi5471 the Carlson Newton one will be amazing. I would be interested on hearing his side of the matt hughes loss. I just watch him I believe extreme fighting 4 when fought I believe he was just a brown belt at the time.
Awesome interview with the Johns. Got a slight change in mind about John Peretti, i guess i got a little too quick judging his previous interview, without really knowing him. Despite being a little "sadistic" (His words lol), and a bit difficult to interview still, seems like a stand up guy, all out honest, no filter whatsoever, and most definitely a pionneer of the sport that deserves better recognition, i would love to see him debate other people haha It was also cool to that John Lewis still doing well. Looking forward to your next episode.
Here is the thing Up until recently Perretti was completely white washed from the history of the UFC He has done a few interviews recently with a couple of them being disasters - the person pretending to be a reporter had no idea who he was
In our first interview with him Listen to the opening that Joey prepared - we took all of the talking points that he wanted to address and agreed with them in it This took his foundations away so that we could get nerdy Truth be told this generally makes a guest angry… but we wanted to get beyond the surface level and deep dive - this may have been a main reason of initial agitation lol
I listen to podcasts on an Android so had to come over here to give you some flowers!! Quickly becoming one of my favourite podcasts. Mike, why didn’t you grill John on how good Rickson was?
I am not under the impression that Lewis would have had first hand knowledge of that… he is coming back on in a few months He is going to bring us through the sale of the UFC Also prior to the interview - Lewis called me and stated “I hate talking about mma… it’s a subject that I avoid; the only reason that I am doing this is for Perretti. That guy has never asked me for a single thing” 2 Perretti called/text me “You can be really aggressive with your questions (he is right), I would be careful with this one or you will lose him” If you look at the people that went out of their way to “hurt” Lewis with public statements, and the way Lewis handled it…. It’s pretty shocking Lewis is a legend whose piers were a bit jealous of; rather than go quote by quote, we addressed everything during the Carlson jr portion of the interview. That was 100% intentional in order to keep it positive (this was also a request of the two guests)
Big fan of John Peretti in Denver Chuck Gale at one fight under his belt shut up switch to opponents on several times until he was the main event fighting Patrick Smith. John Peretti was a ref even the announcer said why does John keep standing them up definitely favoring the hometown hometown champion. I have an old video I'll have to switch off of VHS my friend was self-trained from my school was beating Patrick Smith at the stand up check with take him down what was his game only to be stood up again. The elevation got to Chuck if it was a left it on the ground even for a little more time you would have had an amateur self-trained beat Patrick Smith.🎉🎉🎉
I'm pretty sure James pulver cuz he trained occasionally with us he went down with Chuck Gale to that fight. He fought on that car too and that might be how John Peretti Jen Pulver.
I remember they had hot like Penthouse or Playboy babes come out to the cage. And it was in some shady hockey rink on a First Nation Reserve on the outskirts of Montréal. Then most of them were arrested by the Canadian gestapo afterwards. Good old days 😆🤘
Legendary interview with a Legendary fighter. Those in the know knew who John Lewis was; he was truly a trailblazer in the early NHB days. Thanks, Lytes Out Podcast, for this invaluable interview.
54:11 Anyone knows what documentary Perretti's referring to here? I saw the Battlecade 2 docu (if you want to call it one) from Tommy Sowards once but that's the first time I hear that he apparently has 3 hours of footage. Google a bit but could not find any info about a new release coming up.
54:30 @John Perretti, is there is plans to release this documentary? Cheers, God why wasn't there a documentary team during EF 1 with Carlson and Sperry, Zinoviev, Vitor was there..... Wow what a legendary "NHB" time, also can someone please find the episodes of Perretti and his EF crew on the 90's talk shows? (Donahue, Sally Jesse R, Jerry Springer), I know there is a Jerry Springer episode floating around but not the entire show. Cheers ;)
@@LytesOutMMAHistory Awesome. Thanks for responding. This is great. I would like to make a large donation to you guys soon. Gene gave credit to Lou Thesz for 80% of his knowledge. Does Perretti feel what made Gene so good was mostly catch wrestling and not so much judo? Too bad Catch wrestling really gets **** on and Lou Thesz does by the martial arts community.
When people like yourself come on these boards and post…. It becomes a special place to visit Please keep giving us these little bits of information Thank You
Need to get John Donahue on and ask him about changing the way the Australian Sport Rugby League is played by introducing grappling techniques into tackles, for a time everyone was talking about chicken wings and crusher tackles
Gene gave credit to Lou Thesz for 80% of his knowledge. Does Peretti feel what made Gene so good was mostly catch wrestling and not so much judo? Catch wrestling really gets sh** on and Lou Thesz does by the martial arts community.
@@FrankBishop Perretti is cut from a very different cloth and unless you know him or have closely followed him. The average dude does not get John Perretti. He is not for the weak hearted or the weak minded, that’s for certain.
There probably won’t be a “next time.” Lewis doesn’t do interviews. He isn’t involved in MMA anymore. Peretti is the only reason this happened and it was Lewis’ condition that Peretti be involved. I’m sorry you had to listen to some fascinating stories from not one but two MMA pioneers today.
Thank you John and John, and thank you Mike and Joey Joe-Joe!
Thank you thank you thank you thank you!
I used to watch the old Fight World Video Magazines that Jeff Osborne would put out on VHS. I can remember Perretti talking about how messed up his hands were and all about the new UFC gloves to protect the fighters' hands.
Get point. The bare-knuckle style is tough to maintain a long career with.
Do you still have those VHS tapes? That Perretti interview about his broken hands was at UFC 22, Tito vs Frank shamrock ☘️
@@seandrew3889 I don't think I have them, but Jeff O was one of the first people I met at the first fights I went to in 1999. Him and Aaron Riley.
One of my favorite interviews.
Me too. One of my favorites.
I was at the Pele/Miletich fight and remember hearing before the fight rumblings about Pat's back. You could tell too. I wish I'd met Perretti that night. Mo Smith was there, Sato, Ruas, Sakurai, Conan, and more...just in attendance!
As much as we love to dump on Lavine, he knew talent and was a great match maker
@LytesOutClips yeah...as soon as he stopped paying people lol. I don't know who bankrolled those giant shows. WEF 8 had just as many big names in attendance. Chuck, Tito, all the others I listed...the Tapout guys. Oh forgot watching Babalu soccer kick Brad Kohler's head. What a wild card. Horn vs Big Nog. I used to tell Forrest that before he'd ever trained, Horn did 3 competitive rounds vs Big Nog (Forrest fought Horn like 3 years after he began training).
There was a brief period when the WEF was the best MMA promotion in the world. They had talent no other company could match. This was before the days of exclusive contracts and fighters could ply their trade wherever and there were far fewer impediments the great fights happening. Of course the show was losing money hand over fist and Levine was a crook who didn’t like to pay people but there will still some amazing fights.
@@Josue_Cristobal I would love to hear from someone close to Levine who could shed some light on what was going on.
This was another amazing interview. I had just watched his match with Carlos Jr. Amazing interview.
John was a stud. Way ahead of his time.
Perretti hooked it up! Epic interview! Learn so much from this podcast while jaxxon just jokes around the entire time, this one is the real deal on mma history and lost information
John Perretti is the MAN! I wonder who else will appear from his contacts?
Look for Igor z and Carlos Newton soon!
@@anthonyventi5471 OMG! No way!
@anthonyventi5471 the Carlson Newton one will be amazing. I would be interested on hearing his side of the matt hughes loss. I just watch him I believe extreme fighting 4 when fought I believe he was just a brown belt at the time.
@@thomasmurrell8691 yes the double KO should have been a draw
This is awesome!!! I wanna hear more about the training with Gene Lebell and Igor Z
Gene LEbell! or Igor and I would call off work to listen to it.
@@secprosinc Same here.
Oh wow this is awesome
We need more Canadians!!!
@@LytesOutMMAHistory I love this podcast.
Awesome interview with the Johns.
Got a slight change in mind about John Peretti, i guess i got a little too quick judging his previous interview, without really knowing him.
Despite being a little "sadistic" (His words lol), and a bit difficult to interview still, seems like a stand up guy, all out honest, no filter whatsoever, and most definitely a pionneer of the sport that deserves better recognition, i would love to see him debate other people haha
It was also cool to that John Lewis still doing well. Looking forward to your next episode.
Here is the thing
Up until recently Perretti was completely white washed from the history of the UFC
He has done a few interviews recently with a couple of them being disasters
- the person pretending to be a reporter had no idea who he was
In our first interview with him
Listen to the opening that Joey prepared
- we took all of the talking points that he wanted to address and agreed with them in it
This took his foundations away so that we could get nerdy
Truth be told this generally makes a guest angry… but we wanted to get beyond the surface level and deep dive
- this may have been a main reason of initial agitation
lol
Now I can sleep at night…
@@johnperretti1948 lol
@@johnperretti1948 You are hilarious.
I listen to podcasts on an Android so had to come over here to give you some flowers!! Quickly becoming one of my favourite podcasts. Mike, why didn’t you grill John on how good Rickson was?
I am not under the impression that Lewis would have had first hand knowledge of that… he is coming back on in a few months
He is going to bring us through the sale of the UFC
Also prior to the interview
- Lewis called me and stated
“I hate talking about mma… it’s a subject that I avoid; the only reason that I am doing this is for Perretti. That guy has never asked me for a single thing”
2 Perretti called/text me
“You can be really aggressive with your questions (he is right), I would be careful with this one or you will lose him”
If you look at the people that went out of their way to “hurt” Lewis with public statements, and the way Lewis handled it…. It’s pretty shocking
Lewis is a legend whose piers were a bit jealous of; rather than go quote by quote, we addressed everything during the Carlson jr portion of the interview.
That was 100% intentional in order to keep it positive (this was also a request of the two guests)
@@LytesOutMMAHistory that’s fair enough mate, better to get a good interview and show respect to his wishes!
@@jasonh6048 I couldn't agree more with this.
Great show, thanks for mentioning the book Joey
Search The origin of the species and the mixed martial arts
I love how John caught Mike about the actual book reading. lol. Is there a book on tape?
Big fan of John Peretti in Denver Chuck Gale at one fight under his belt shut up switch to opponents on several times until he was the main event fighting Patrick Smith. John Peretti was a ref even the announcer said why does John keep standing them up definitely favoring the hometown hometown champion. I have an old video I'll have to switch off of VHS my friend was self-trained from my school was beating Patrick Smith at the stand up check with take him down what was his game only to be stood up again. The elevation got to Chuck if it was a left it on the ground even for a little more time you would have had an amateur self-trained beat Patrick Smith.🎉🎉🎉
I am 1000% adding this to my notes
Brother Thank You Thank You Thank You
Fascinating - Mike - take this one to Peretti! Why did he stand them up so much!
I'm pretty sure James pulver cuz he trained occasionally with us he went down with Chuck Gale to that fight. He fought on that car too and that might be how John Peretti Jen Pulver.
Haha, what a great interview! 👍👍👍
Really well done fellas 👏
THis has got to be the best podcast out there right now.
@@secprosinc I'm loving it. Such a rich history and so much more to come.
Epic...hopefully he talks about his legendary match with CGJR at Extreme Fighting 🤼♂️👊🏻
I miss extreme fighting
I remember they had hot like Penthouse or Playboy babes come out to the cage. And it was in some shady hockey rink on a First Nation Reserve on the outskirts of Montréal. Then most of them were arrested by the Canadian gestapo afterwards. Good old days 😆🤘
@@rodzor hahah. The old days were a riot. Loved all the hooks they used to attract fans.
Ahhhhahahaha BJ called in 😂😂😂😂 love it!
I love how the Lytes Out Podcast was more important than BJ! lol. Should have merged the call.
Someone needs to make a clip of that!!
@@anthonyventi5471 I agree!
Great talk. Who will accept Peretti's challenge to a debate?
No one will…
We've got to get John in with the UFC brass!
Can't wait 🎉
I just listened to it on my phone. I'm watching it right now.
Legendary interview with a Legendary fighter. Those in the know knew who John Lewis was; he was truly a trailblazer in the early NHB days. Thanks, Lytes Out Podcast, for this invaluable interview.
This is going to be good🔥🔥🔥
I just shared it on my Facebook. More people need to hear this one.
54:11 Anyone knows what documentary Perretti's referring to here? I saw the Battlecade 2 docu (if you want to call it one) from Tommy Sowards once but that's the first time I hear that he apparently has 3 hours of footage. Google a bit but could not find any info about a new release coming up.
I have asked to see it with John
No luck on my end
54:30 @John Perretti, is there is plans to release this documentary? Cheers, God why wasn't there a documentary team during EF 1 with Carlson and Sperry, Zinoviev, Vitor was there..... Wow what a legendary "NHB" time, also can someone please find the episodes of Perretti and his EF crew on the 90's talk shows? (Donahue, Sally Jesse R, Jerry Springer), I know there is a Jerry Springer episode floating around but not the entire show. Cheers ;)
We are recording EF2 episode today
Wonder what Perretti thinks about Rorian claiming recently that Gene turned down a grappling match against him (face to face)on a set of a TV show.
Do you have a link to this???
He confirmed that it did happen
Wednesday will address it in the Zinoviev interview
@@LytesOutMMAHistory Awesome. Thanks for responding. This is great. I would like to make a large donation to you guys soon. Gene gave credit to Lou Thesz for 80% of his knowledge. Does Perretti feel what made Gene so good was mostly catch wrestling and not so much judo? Too bad Catch wrestling really gets **** on and Lou Thesz does by the martial arts community.
@@LytesOutMMAHistory ruclips.net/video/ryBM6MHX-oY/видео.html
I thought tank abbot invented the mma glove? 😂
hahahaha. On the barstool training for his fights.
No, he just bought some Harbingers and cut out the palm bar. Milton Bowen was the first to do that. RIP Melton. 😔
201:50 BJ Penn makes an appearance!
Hell yeah!
Doesn't get any better!
2 legends
YOu cant ask for a better podcast than this. What a walk down memory lane.
Puckett only did conditioning with Gotch, not catch. He's the guy in Gotch's conditioning video
When people like yourself come on these boards and post…. It becomes a special place to visit
Please keep giving us these little bits of information
Thank You
@@LytesOutMMAHistory I'm sarcasm impaired
I am serious
You legit dropped some serious knowledge
Hit me up through Instagram and I will send you a T-shirt
@@debraco7748 I got it. hahahaha
Thank you!
Welcome to the channel brother, you have been chewing through our episodes
Thank You!!!
We need more Paul Vunak stories!
Need to get John Donahue on and ask him about changing the way the Australian Sport Rugby League is played by introducing grappling techniques into tackles, for a time everyone was talking about chicken wings and crusher tackles
He was brought up a few times in our Hector Lombard “The Australia Years” episode
I agree, he would be an incredible guest
John would be an amazing sit-down. Really interesting guy,
SHO KWAN DO ? not Shudokan (修道館) ？
Gene gave credit to Lou Thesz for 80% of his knowledge. Does Peretti feel what made Gene so good was mostly catch wrestling and not so much judo? Catch wrestling really gets sh** on and Lou Thesz does by the martial arts community.
I remember :)
THis guy was a beast.
Oh yes...
I cant wait to listen to this one.
Joey should have shaved his head for this one
Thank You…. Finally someone with taste
😂😂😂😂😂😂@@LytesOutMMAHistory
HAHAHA - Joey is like Sampson. That hair is never going away.
i must comment
Thank You Thank You Thank You
Next time just get John...I can't handle this narcissistic peretti guy...everything is 45 mins ..u guys are extremely patient...jesus...me me me
Perretti scares beta males lol.
Lewis wouldn't do the interview without Perretti. He doesn't like interviews.
This "Perretti" guy is the OG, the Pioneer, respect.
@@FrankBishop Perretti is cut from a very different cloth and unless you know him or have closely followed him. The average dude does not get John Perretti. He is not for the weak hearted or the weak minded, that’s for certain.
There probably won’t be a “next time.” Lewis doesn’t do interviews. He isn’t involved in MMA anymore. Peretti is the only reason this happened and it was Lewis’ condition that Peretti be involved. I’m sorry you had to listen to some fascinating stories from not one but two MMA pioneers today.