The TRUTH Behind "Just Running Away" From a Fight
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2023
- You you really just hide from an attacker? I Break it down in the Ultimate Self Defense Championsips Episode 3!
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So perhaps the biggest takeaway of this entire series is... Don't neglect your Cardio.
Def an important piece
and you cant outrun everyone
There are times, when there is no escape for example with your baby waggon, in your store and you have to unlock the backdoor etc. but well, Cardio is always good, no?
@@PaMuShin cardio means being able to out gas your opponent. It's not just for running, it's also for standing your ground.
cardio & move like a football/rugby players😁😁
Matt's hypothetical kicks still makes me laugh
His hypothetical kicks made me rather worried, ever seen how a japanese kitchen knife went through a table top? Such a knife through his foot would make him bleed in such speed that he probably would not come near the door anymore, let alone the shock that kicks in after a few seconds.
@@PaMuShin Sure but if you pay attention to what you're doing and kick the guy while his knife hand is holding the ladder he's going to be toast. Imagine getting basically curb stomped while you're holding on to the top of a ladder. One kick could possibly break your neck, and if not that then make you fall off. You can't exactly put your arms up to protect your head since you're using them to keep yourself on the ladder. Even if the second pursuer wisened up after seeing the first guy get killed and tried to avoid the kicking and do something tricky with the knife, he's going to have a rough time trying to catch his foot with the pointy end with the speed of a whole leg coming down on him, while he has at most one arm available to use and zero mobility because he's stuck to the ladder.
@@PHIplaytestingyes a technique to dangerous for sparring
@@PHIplaytesting I have no experience fighting on ladders, so it is hard to tell for me, yet the foot of the attacker is full of vitals and sinews any hit is basically and finisher, ask the historical achilles. I would not take this risk, the other one does not need to catch, he just needs to stab, most attacks of someone with a knife after you are foremost stabs. The risk is only reasonable if the other one would have blunt small blade or you have special shoes. Ever put knife into the search of the "active self protection" channel? Tell me what you think after that.
@@PaMuShin 🤣🤣🤣 bruh imagine being on top of a ladder and someone is trying to cut/stab your foot. yknow what, stab my foot, I'm still gonna stomp your face and you're gonna fall 12 feet and be unalived. Don't be silly.
I got jumped by 3 boys in the school when i was young . I tried running away but they cornered me in to the schools fences . Then instead of running or fighting , i started searching the ground for something . Luckily found a branch and started hitting them with it. Best defense is having something in your hands mates.
I think you should be able to fight with or without a weapon, if that weapon gets taken, and you can’t fight without it, you’re in trouble
@craigyeates1854 cornered by three boys. >you should be able to fight unarmed.
@@craigyeates1854 Weapon retention. They can't take the weapon away if you can wrestle better
I think Matt should have gotten full points personally. If I had a knife I wouldn't climb up a ladder at someone ready to kick my head. I'd die.
Also it shows how thoughtless was the hole event. Somebody could have died on that day if Matt were pushing it harder and the tough guy were acting invincible untill somebody fall to their death...
@@katokianimationreminds when sparring with a new guy who can't recognize when you could when you pull punches and he blast you with all his power, thinking he's a badass "catching you."
Jeff showing the inability to recognize how vicious and violent seth getting hit in the head blinding by that guy was enough for me to know. The whole team is just a punch of goofy "self defense" tough guys
@@jonnybro7676 i felt the same watching it, you put it into words very well.
Also they seems like the guys who dont train bjj bc it is unrealistc so it is dangerous to mma spar with bc they cant tap.
The small guy on every football team knows from goofing in practice: when running from a large opponent stop, make like a table, and watch your larger opponent fly over you. While they sort themselves, run again.
Did you just suggest stopping with your back turned to a bigger guy with a knife?
@@someman7 did you suggest he was running backwards so as to face his opponent?
@@footLogic Wat? I suggested they keep running away from the bigger guy, not try to trip him up risking getting stabbed.
@@someman7 Oh. Did none of them get stabbed by running away?
Yeah I'm the small guy on the wrestling team. Very much works.
Having a guy cherrypicking by the tree was really lame exercise design.
And you raise a good point -- the time limit should run against the pursuit team, not the escapees, because ostensibly you'd be on the phone with the police.
Not just this episode but several of the exercises seemed more "games" than "scenarios."
no the idea of this scenarios is to give as match disadvantages to the player s
@@Uwhwvwgwh not smart if they are both unrealistic and so hard literally everyone got 0 points, what is the point of it then, clearly not everyone did equally well but the points didn't reflect that so its badly designed
@@Leo.23232they’re testing martial artists who have been training most of their life, obviously they’re going to be extremely strict, because they have to be
@@craigyeates1854 yeah but if every single one gets 0, despite them not all doing as well as eachother then the scoring system or the scenario is flawed
@@Leo.23232 or maybe none of them reached the standard they wanted, sure some did better, but it’s possible that none of them done as well as the judges wanted
Plenty of people with bad knees can fight. "Just run" is very dependent on the situation.
Many times we see situations with old men who beat up attackers where those attackers could have 100% outrun the older men.
Just run is best advice for guys who are particularly good at running. Assuming they don't currently have a temporary injury or something. Sprain your ankle in basketball 2 weeks ago? Probably better off fighting.
FUCK your sprained ankle GO GO GO
Self defense fight is kind of like the wilderness: the best way to survive it is by not being there.
That's a paraphrase of Mr Miyagi's advice to Daniel san in the original karate kid movie. Along with, karate yes, ok. Karate no, ok. Karate so so, sooner or later, squished like a grape.
Only problem is that there are people like me who are out to get you even from within your home and bring you to the wilderness...
@@rbr1170*my best cornholio impression "Are you threatening me"
I feel like if they haven't found you when the time limit experiences, that should be a win!
A lot of people in actually bad situations run the risk of overwaiting good opportunities to escape. People really die because they get to comfortable in hiding spots or playing the Scooby-Doo door game with people chasing them. You have to find the right amount of proactive and reactive in order to get out of bad situations. It seems like a good rule to me, although, it would almost be better if the whole point was to lose them and then get out again.
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I gotta admit, I've been in the situation where I'm both cheering for someone and quietly hoping they'll lose so I won't look like too big of an idiot for losing first. Also Zak's the best editor, no baseball cap.
That would increase your survival if you are willing to 'push your friend into the wolves' so you can have a headstart.
Door to Nowhere sounds like a massive f-ing lawsuit just begging to happen.
Yeah, no kidding. Why didn't they just lock that door? How terrifying.
Yep, running away alone is not enough. This shows you never know who has the better cardio until its too late. What people fail to consider about the advice is that you first have to create a distraction (like throwing your friend into the mix 😅) or incapacitate the attacker to an extent. Hiding is also no good in most situation where if they find you you will probably have nowhere to run. Hiding needs luck where if you find a good hiding place you'll survive but if it is in an abandoned area where they just have the time to search all day and all night, you pretty much found the perfect place for them to hide your dead body. This really is a tricky situation.
In fact, if they have better cardio, then fighting is probably just as useless. :D
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I was about to comment that. How weird. ;-)
seth, your videos are really making me want to get into martial arts. thank you for giving another hobby! also begumbed is my new favorite word.
No martial, no art here. Move along, folks.
20:17 Rokas is like: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Arguably the greatest intro ever
My gosh, this was SO interesting! Great content, man. 👍
15:46 Amazing visualization
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I love these videos. But I do have one issue with all these self defence testing type videos. Running away doesn't work... When the person chasing you is a highly trained, stone cold sober, athlete. Knife defence doesn't work.... When the attacker is a highly trained MMA fighter that has also studied videos of knife attacks. All fair enough, but realistically, most random attacks are not initiated by highly trained combat sports athletes. There literally is no one size fits all solution. As an older guy, for me now, running away is probably not the best option in most cases. I simply can't run very fast or very far anymore and if I tried and then still had to fight, I'd be gassed out. Me 30 years ago, different story, I was fast as hell back then. There are many, many variables. To many to come up with an if they do this I do that type scenario.
Yeah being more athletic than the general population gives you way more options. Being older, your best bet is to carry a force multiplier and know how to use it. A sturdy cane can save your life
Watching videos of old guys beating up muggers and thinking about how many random times people are temporarily injured has actually made me do a 360 on the value of "running". For self defense.
Most criminals who might chase you, are probably 15-35. That's 20 years.
Most humans live go at least 75-ish? So you spend from 35-75 or 40 years being a less good runner as a potential victim.
You're also way more likely to be victimized when you look "easier" to victimize. So gray hair = mild target on your head.
So from like 50-75 you're probably in some high victim potential.
Also, while injured, if you're 30 and you're limping, you're more likely a target.
If help is really close by, running might be legit, like you just turned the wrong corner and there's a crowd back the way you came etc.
But you will generally spend more of your life as a potential victim as likely a less good runner.
You have to carry a weapon, I know mike doesn't like knives but the ordinary guy gettin passed a knife, even unordinary these guys all got stabbed
I'm really glad you clarified that about the channel I had to subscribe again because I'm already subscribed to your other one
Great storyteller. Awesome video.
The "time is ticking mate" with the horror movie voice, was probably the best part about the vid. But seriously, how come the flying kicks did such low damage. Were the opponents this steadfast or were you guys just hesitant? Especially mike is a very strong kicker regarding flying kicks, if he wants to. Jeff might just have not enough training, most his techniques except his two step combos are rather ground based. But just from my expectation i would have though these two guys would wreck the attackers with a flying kick.
the guys they were up against were rugby players, the amount of force generated from a tackle is like 5 times more than a sidekick. Plus, Mike is like 139 pounds and the guy he kicked was around 230
There's a difference between a flying kick delivered to shove someone away, and a kick delivered to ram someone with concussive force. The latter can hit someone with the solid, rigid end of a heavy moving object, but apart from the fact that this can be thrown off with the wrong distance/timing like any other kick... they don't actually want to hurt the other people in this event. That's why Matt was throwing theoretical kicks rather than actually trying to knock the guy off a ladder. It's not like flying kicks are a guaranteed KO or anything, but anything that likely to injure the other people playing their role in the event, they're probably going to avoid using.
It doesn't even have to be a conscious choice. If you're "fighting" someone you don't seriously want to hurt like that, you'll often find yourself reflexively holding back even if you consciously decide to prioritize "winning."
@@mr.brightside7496 I do not think everyone of the baddies were Rugby Players, as far as i know only Alex Fry(the guy from the movies, seths hard head hits etc.) and one of the two big guys from final were Rugby players, the other giant was a wrestler. But sure mike was complaining from the beginning that the opponents were mostly heavier than the contenders.
@@maxhensley1685 What if Jeff Phillipps (host of western combatitives) took on purpose more stout and heavy guys just so the participants could hit them non lethal with full force, without holding back. In a way you maybe right, the participants could be scared of retribution of a heavy attack, just like seth was in quote "scared of the formidable opponent"
@@PaMuShin Even big, strong guys can take serious injuries from a single hit if they take it badly. The less they're trained specifically for fighting, the greater the chances of accidental injury. Being the bigger, stronger person in a fight definitely improves your odds, but if trained fighters attack bigger, stronger opponents while seriously trying to injure them, without holding back, the bigger fighters are still far from safe.
Lmfao the editing in of Rokas lines is so fucking funny man
"Unfortunately, Sensei Seth was also killed"
"*Received zero points*"
What ever happens don’t skip out on the office one with Ramsey 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I could use a good laugh
imma be honest
I forgot this channel existed so i'll subscribe now !
Traditional martial arts (as practiced in the west anyway) does not emphasize roadwork, so a lot of practitioners don't have stamina. When I trained in karate in the mid 1980s as a very young person, the sensei ran 5 miles a day which was considered to be a lot of running. Most of us did not run at all
My take from this whole competition is that when you kick, kick like a horse
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Im pretty sure you all get a pass on this one except for Rokus and Jeff All of you outsmarted the people hunting you and were able to get out of the building before being noticed and if getting to the tree isnt some arbitrary goal you guys would have gotten away.
Also Seth have you seen DanTheWolfMan's review on the Self defence competition?
Wasn't Jeff caught bc his go pro were emitting red light?
@@katokianimationyes and the time should have been for the hunters
No one armed themselves in this challenge. I would had a chair or an extinguisher or something to smash with.
Maybe in a real life scenario, but this is a competition. It has the same limitations as any martial arts training or competition. You have to make it as realistic as you can, without risking injury
good editing nice job boys
You have a really good ear and speech apparatus, that "time's ticking" impression was spot on. PolyglotSeth channel when?
Ps Nice axe! You may want to consider shooting a Fokoš episode with Russ Mitchell, it's a sorta folk HEMA stuff, really dope
Zak's the best editor, no baseball cap :) ... just watched it today
Be real, Seth. You and Icy Mike totally ditched Rokas! Just kidding, but that's a funny anecdote about how y'all got separated. Man, I miss USDC already! Psyched for season 2, but a little bummed that you're not one of the contestants. You gotta get in there and win that belt on the next go 'round!
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All your comments to the USDC (not to mention to mention the event itself) was great fun, but maybe this one was the best!😂
Watched it all ...was a brilliant show
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I actually didn’t see this episode because of the dagnabbed age restriction. Thank you Seth!
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When we taught WSD we got asked that a lot. The answer was ... complicated.
First, you have to have some assurance that you can run away fast enough to get away. Even people who are heavy and not good runners can accelerate pretty fast over short distances. For the cases we were interested in it wasn't great because men can generally, not always but generally, run faster than women all else being equal.
Second, you have to have somewhere safer to run to. Otherwise you can end up in the same fight but more tired which isn't exactly perfect.
But third, we had written a review article on that had all the published data at the time. It was pretty clear. In cases where the defender was trying to avoid a violent crime - sexual assault, armed robbery, assault, etc - running worked surprisingly well. Completed crime rate dropped from over 90% for "do nothing" to less than 20% for "Run". But so did fighting back and so did a number of other tactics. You wouldn't expect it from scenarios with guys in armor or the Octagon or other things. But that's the difference between being in a mutual combat fight and self protection. The more a criminal has to work for the reward the less attractive it is. The more and *earlier* his internal script goes off the rails the less sure he is of what to do next.
Once again, crime prevention is different than deciding to play knuckle tag with another person. Do something useful, do it immediately, and do it 100% seems to be pretty good advice. As Napoleon said "I might lose a battle, but I will never lose a second"
What the heck I just subbed to your channel a few days ago and already had to resub. Must of been all the turtle pizza
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Really enjoyed the sumo section
Just-Jitsu is invincible
on the internet
You sound salty. Lol!
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Did this years ago with similar number of runners/attackers, rather than the sprint I went for knocking down a pile of stuff so the attackers went for the door to a room, then I went out a window and leopard crawled about 500 meters to the evac point. I did need cardio instead of stealth for several other attempts though.
You should sumo with Eddie Hall
The fake cheering for Mike made me laugh😂
Sensei Seth more like Sensational Seth
Ramsey explains in his reaction on where he found that hoodie
This still gives the players too much advantage: knowing they will be attacked. How about doing something similar to Among Us and will be assigned randomly and in secret the attacker and player. Setting could be the same but with the attack happening in a given span of time (say between 0 - 45 minute initial window of attack but of course you don't have a timer with you unless you are an attacker) and you just go about your ways during that time just having a tour of the place. Still has that sense of knowing an attack would happen but with more uncertainty of when and from who.
All in all its been a great event but i think with it over, i feel it should be polished and more specific to the core ideas, martial arts infkuenced challenges, or realistic set self defense, with scoring and other things made with this in mind etc, does get me thinking and get excited at what could be done. Maybe they should have had the participants input and agree on more of the specifics?
Best outro 10/10
One of the reasons I'm armed to the teeth is b/c my health problems make me unable to "just run away".
Wow, you pretty much summed up Elden Ring’s story right there. 3:10
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Icy Mic! Hell yea!
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I do wish some of the events where against normal people. Most of us aren't going to be attacked by a whole rugby team
Most of us aren't professional fighters. You need to balance that out.
@@OptimusSledge true
@@OptimusSledge most of them werent neither. With the exception of Jeff and Ramsey non of them fought professionally. And Ramsey is retired since 2011
@@katokianimation Lol, what?
@@OptimusSledge is that comment really that unclear to you
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Technical Stand Up 14:05
Yknow this means you have to train in Parkour now right?
Parkour is awesoame
Lol no baseball cap......Great video Seth. Loving the breakdowns on this series.
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@@ZakFerguson oh and of course that S-Tier editing that comes along with it. How could anybody forget the editorial icing on the content cake??
Question. Who was filming you guys if everyone was covering their GoPro? And how is everything so stable?
When are you and Mike breaking down the zombie round 😶
Parkour guy here. Shoulder roll was good confirm
Every Sensei I've ever asked has always said if you can just walk away. Better to lose face than lose your life. If you can't walk, just hope you went to a Dojo and not a McDojo.
0:05 “Transform into Mike Tyson”
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Im gonna work on my cardio now
Ey Rokas has a sickass last name though. Leonivicius...I think that's right. Sounds brutal dude.
Ok this challenge would be intresting done by world chase tag guys ...
That has utility in fighting
This is the best Escape Room x Panic Room and the only Escape Room I'd want to try. I'll get stab for sure but this will be a great experience.
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Someone I knew who watched this episode said, "Don't get yourself in compromising positions, and have a gun on you." This also coming from a heavy-set dude who apparently thinks he's the Toby McGuire Spiderman of guns as if he'll have some on him 24/7. The ladder statement from the same guy also, "If I die, I die." The moral of the comment, projecting self-absorbed narcissism gets ya nowhere...
The whole gun thing takes out a lot of people. Not everyone can legally own a gun. Like, there's countries where guns are illegal.
@@ajshiro3957 I get that, but in the Family Feud survey of answers, it would still be number 1. The fact that every single person got 0 points in this exercise shows that if you were actually faced with this scenario, of multiple attackers coming at you with knives, without a gun, you are likely dead. The odds are so stacked against you here.
In places where you're not allowed to own a gun, it's not what would you do in this situation? It's how would you avoid this situation? ie. don't go out by yourself, don't go to places where there's not a lot of people, etc. But in THIS specific situation, without a gun, you're dead.
Quite frankly, I'd just put my trust in God. And I'd be saved.
@@ajshiro3957 Which is why i am glad to live in texas in the us. I can carry a gun almost everywhere besides the obvious government buildings and schools
Gonna start practicing flying kicks more. Obvious bis(best in slot) move for self defence.
I’ve watched a lot of Live PD, Should you just tackle someone?
This reminds me how every o-lineman I ever met swears they could play TE if they wanted to.
Yeah but like... what if you're a lifelong athlete who's been outrun only once in his entire sports career (baseball, soccer, swimming, track, tennis, racquetball, and ultimate)? Like faster than at least 99.9% of people across the entire country who have run against him? Like some guy who could run around with you in a 10'x10' room until you starve to death without getting hit? And what if he's the reigning hide-and-seek champion ahead of both Saddam AND Bin Laden? Is it okay for him to run?
Asking for a friend.
PS - Love your stuff - just being a goofball. Keep it up, brother.
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Running isn't a response, it's deescalation.
Where is the original video?
The world is smaller then you think you might get away today you'll inevitably run into them again though in the future
So I think running away is still an option, and people shouldn't be lead to believe that running away from a fight isn't possible. It IS harder than one might think, but it won't be as hard as Seth's scenario. In Seth's scenario, those dudes *knew* where people were going to end up, and the attacker's whole goal was to catch you.
In a "real life situation", an attacker's goals are a lot more nebulous. It could be they want something from you. It could be they want to hurt you. But even if they wanted to do those two things, how far they are willing to go and what they are willing to sacrifice would vary. In this safer space type of situation, the attackers knew and controlled a lot of the variables. In a life situation, the attacker doesn't know if other help might be around, if you might be carrying a knife or gun, and so on. Maybe the attacker is an opportunist, and when the opportunity's cost gets too high its just not worth it for the attacker. Not that you can count on this, but imo these are all factors that go into what eventually could happen.
very good points. most the time an assailant has a reason, something they want from you, and theres a calculation thats been made. running can give you the opportunity to change some of the variables, and subsequently the calculation. entirely situation dependent ofc.
Yeah, the old "throw your money in the other direction and run opposite of that" will probably work as well in some scenario. But yeah, running away should still be part of everyone's list but make sure to add "create a distraction, then run".
The attacker might not know where you're running, but neither are you. Your instinct is to just wildly flee in the opposite direction. Not only do you have to successfully lose the assailant if he chases you, but then you have to go back wherever you were headed without running into him again. You also have to turn your back to the assailant, which is a bad idea, and I guarantee 99% of the "just run" guys are terminally online reddit users who think they're smart but couldn't even run 100 metres without collapsing. If you think running away is a good idea, guess what? You have to practise it.
@@sigiligus exactly I don’t have a problem with them telling you to run I just hate that they act like it will solve 100% of your problems
Bruh the ad hahahahah
When you run, you just die tired. Good luck
And yet there's no rugby players in season 2 of the SDC? Just a basketball player? Come on, recognise Rugby as a martial art!
I want to see a Decathlete or some other track and field athlete to come in an an example of untrained fighter but athletic
Rugby the martial art base that shut down the infamous Dagestani wrestling
Street Sharks!
😀 I figured the nostalgia would be hitting.
I found several episodes of Street Sharks on RUclips and figured my boys MIGHT be interested. Little dudes loved it, and I got a nice hit of nostalgia, so it was a win for the whole family (minus the wife, haha). Absolutely loved the show and the toys when I was a kid!
This looks fun. In Mexico the local small van busses get robbed in a small space. Look at the camera 🤳 footage. It's normally in estado de Mexico. You ll look up "rateros" microbus estado de Mexico. The footage is worth breaking down.
If you're running away from someone because you can't beat them in a fight chances are better than average you can't outrun them either.
Well, it depends on your fisique... if you're a small guy like me (160cmx60kg) is waaay easier run from a bigger opponent than fight him (also: irl, usually you don't need to outrun them until the orizon; you just need to reach a shop, a bar or something... a place where other people can help you)
this would imply track runners, soccer players, swimmers etc. are automatically good at fighting lol. at the end of the day, yes if you cant run either, you will struggle to run away, but thats such an obvious point that its pointless.
That’s not what he’s saying.
I think my best self defense skill is I’m really good at not getting chased by 6 dudes with knives
Times ticking mike
Man I love Jesus