@@alisongrubb8159 I love her take on history but RUclips does lack on her programmes or just not long enough to watch. Any suggestions I'd gladly explore. I also like Alice Loxton she's interesting and funny aswell 🤣
As an ameteur Tudor historian, I loved this. What an exciting discovery! Thank you for sharing. It's so exciting to think that at any given moment, new discoveries are waiting to be made in plain sight. Can't wait to see what we find next in regards to this dramatic period in English history.
So exciting! I have a love hate relationship with Cromwell after reading Mantel's books, and prayer books show up all around the place, so this is very exciting
As a non British person - when I saw the thumbnail I thought it was a picture of Martin Luther 🙈😬 my apologies guys! How amazing and exciting must have been for that lady, to make a connection no one did for 400+ years! Such an interesting content, thank you ❤
I am not British either, but I as many others love watching English history dokumentaries about their royals. So much drama, better than fictional movies/TV . Honestly, I find the royals repulsive from any country back then, but it is still important historical knowledge we should know,IMO. Cheers
Great Documentary. Funny I saw that painting to the side of the fireplace in the FRICK MUSEUM NYC.Holbein's Thomas More was on the other side of the fire place.Definitely worth a visit for Tudor Heads. My favourite museum.
that is so cool. I too was wondering like, what would have been the circumstances under which Cromwell’s descendants would have chosen to preserve it? Like, where was it after he died? Where was in the 17th and 18th centuries? So fascinating!
What a fantastic discovery... The Tudor period is my favourite, as so much happened within it... Suzannah Lipscomb is one of my favourite Historians too... The way she conveys history in her programmes is just brilliant.......would love to meet her one day, as i did with David Starkey..... And Hever is an amazing place.... I live near Rochford Hall, Essex.....itself a player in the Tudor History.....
I would be interested to know about the theological content of the prayer book. Would the book of hours have contained prayers reflecting a thoroughly Catholic theology? What were Cromwell's beliefs about ecclesiology at this time?
Who ever sees this can you get Dan snow to try what Napoleon ate on a daily basis or what king Louie ate on a daily basis I feel like it would be quite interesting to see what he thinks of their diets
Cromwell as a person of faith has too long been ignored. Over the course of his career under Henry he took enormous personal risks for years to facilitate church reform and support the evangelical cause in England. Foxe got this. That prayer book was in Cromwell’s portrait because he wanted it there. God bless Ralph Sadler for preserving this for posterity.
@@lindawunderlich5436 you mean like the way Anne Boleyn helped destroy Cardinal Wolsey’s life and work? His poor health saved him from the executioner’s block. Or the way Anne helped make Queen Catherine and Princess Mary exiles in their own country? Cromwell’s intervention definitely preserved Mary’s status at court and may have prevented her premature death. Or the way “Saint” Thomas More saw to the immolation for their faith of Thomas Hitton, Thomas Bilney, Richard Bayfield, John Tewkesbury, Thomas Dusgate, and James Bainham? But for Anne’s tragic inability to bear a male heir for Henry she very likely would have outlived Cromwell. When Henry decided Anne must go, Cromwell was there to carry out the will of his sovereign just as he did for a thousand other decisions. Of course Cromwell wasn’t about to stand in the way of Henry over someone who helped destroy Wolsey and also threatened Cromwell’s own life. Even Archbishop Cranmer, Anne’s evangelical soulmate, was more than happy to go along to get along. Was he “evil” too?
I'm afraid this might make me seem somewhat the nutter, but here goes.. If we believe that the book in Holbein's piccie of TC is indeed The B Of Hours, and it looks like it could be, then seeing it opened, even on screen, and recollecting this famous painting, well it gives me the WEIRDEST feeling, like a kind of magic (not the Queen song🤣), I mean it's like a direct conduit or mysterious wormhole directly into the C16, wow, who needs mind altering substances with historians pulling stunts like THIS? One might almost say "like WOW man", or such.. As ever, Prof Liscomb's presentation is flawless. This is a truly significant discovery, someone in the comments said what a pity it is that Hilary Mantell is no longer with us to share in this. I'm pretty sure that this is indeed the book under advisement. Nice one Prof & team. Impressive. 🌟👍
Two of the most impressive women meeting at the same time on one intersection of our planets time in the stars. Queens, princesses, future Legends, the earth is a weird rock floating through space. We are but algae or a cancer upon this Earth back only a few times do you get to witness what made it good.
A rug, a pair of scissors, a purse. A curious collection of items. All are significant. My first thought was that Cromwell placed that Book of Hours on the table as he did for his portrait as a sort of souvenir in the way serial killers keep tokens of their kills? I wonder....
In Britain when they cover the reformation in history class, is it emphasized how catholics were punished for following their faith? In other history documentaries from Britain it seems glossed over how much money and property was stolen, less the lives destroyed and killed.
Well, the RCC had been ripping off the populace for centuries and claimed secular authority had no jurisdiction over church crimes. They were extremely unpopular. And Henry VIII wanted money. Come uppance for the church criminals
I noticed that when I was looking at the oldest churches in england and saw how many catholic churches and monasteries were destroyed during that period of king henry VIII. It made me sad to see that instead of repurposing those churches that they were simply torn down. It bothers me that there are periods in history where historical landmarks are destroyed because of the radical beliefs or events of that period.
Henry was a pig. A murderous, scandalous, pig. His destruction of Englands history by destroying countless Catholic Churches and monasteries was the single worst loss of English Anglo Saxon history. Centuries of priceless manuscripts and family records lost because a fat pig was killing his best people, innocent wives, and so on. His memory be dammed.
My only question is why would Catherine of Aragon’s prayer book be displayed at Hever Castle beside Anne Boelyn’s of all people? She must be turning in her grave.
that is not true - the prayer book of Richard the III was also again found and returned to him on his grave - similar story - but first - still brilliant discovery and congrats on it -🥰🥰🥰🥰😀🥰🥰🥰🥰
I enjoyed the video, but I was very disappointed with the ending. I would have expected the questions about provenance to have been answered _before_ proclaiming that this book once belonged to Cromwell.
But he keeps touching(with gloves) and seems to keep opening it, closing it, and turning pages!!! 🤯 Are those just repeated shots?? Seems too many times for me 😬 Will we be able to know for sure it was his??
I think the story goes he was in poor health and died on his journey Northwards. He had a mistress/ wife too. I think Henry VIII would have had him executed but his death avoided that. In all other ways, he was a most faithful servant to Henry. Cromwell, served Henry well until under pressure to get rid of Anne. I think Cromwell, imo,was a wily operator He was born in London but lived abroad, Belgium? For a few years under patronage The only person I believe Henry regretted executing, was Thomas Moore, who was a man of principle
If the other one became untenable I would consider it worthwhile. However I think the original garnet would have to be used and that would require further work on the cover. It's tricky because any restoration work becomes as much about the restorer as it does the artefact and that means meddling with history. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done only that it requires us to make difficult choices. I'd prefer a recreation in all its glory (expensive but viable) to a patching up of the old book. If it couldn't be done physically then possibly digitally and made available for a small fee online.
@@kevinjohnbetts I agree. Any work would have to be very carefully considered before anything is done. A recreation is the best. Only if an object is in danger should work be done on it if at all. I like the digital idea.
I think it will eventually be found in another Henry VIII collection as a gemstone of unknown purpose. Nobody really thought to look for it. Now perhaps they will. As for the repairs, they should be done with the utmost caution and skill, or not at all.
Did you not watch the video until the end. The theory is that the garnet from the clasp was later installed on the back of the book once the clasp no longer worked. The book is clearly lying flat on the table in the portrait of Cromwell so at the time he owned it that back jewel wasn’t there.
Horrible first couple of minutes glaring backlights, I had to dim the screen. Great story and Lipscomb does a great job… but the videographer/editor did a bad job.
Odd pseudonym to have that view! Maybe 2 billion people think Bible and Christian faith is relevant: Christians and Muslims for a start. Then the billion or two who persecute Christians in China, Russia, Nirth Korea, and, increasingly, India. Mark Twain, himself, said it's not the difficult to understand parts of the Bible that he found difficult but the very clear parts as being challenging
How ironic! Catherine of Aragon, Ann Boleyn, and Thomas Cromwell ruthlessly enable Henry VIII to be able to marry Anne. Boleyn and then to have her executed.
What did poor Catherine of Aragon do? She was fighting to keep her faith ( which was super important at the time) and to keep her daughter safe. It’s not as easy looking at it through the eyes of today 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
I wish they would not whisper in videos with very special artifacts. Just talk normally. I try to listen at work but I can’t get the soft spoken whispering up high enough to hear. When Dr. Litscomb speaks she’s not whispering. Of course it’s a great find but just speak normally please.
Whatever, Ms. Mantel. Cromwell was an arrogant, opportunistic d-bag like many at Henry VIII's court. Who got his comeuppance, again like many. He fed the face-eating leopard, until it turned on him. Interesting to see the book, though.
How is that the book’s fault? I don’t care for Cromwell but it’s fascinating that this book survived. I’ve seen a car Hitler owned in a museum. It brings up a lot of ugly emotions but it’s still part of history. You can’t whitewash all the ugly bits out of history. We only learn from contemplating others’ mistakes not by ignoring them.
Nice pretty woman. But never marry one like this. She will remember everything you did for the rest of your life.. 😂😂😂😂 If not she will make it up by "evidence"🎉
I LOOOOVE Suzannah Lipscomb ❤ we need more content from her, please 😁
Yes please 😊
She’s brilliant & a wonderful presenter! Anytime I see something with her involvement I watch it straight away. I’ve learned so much by watching her.
@@alisongrubb8159 I love her take on history but RUclips does lack on her programmes or just not long enough to watch. Any suggestions I'd gladly explore. I also like Alice Loxton she's interesting and funny aswell 🤣
Agreed 👍🏻
She is drop de.d beautifull❤
Not being British nor an historian, even I got chills when the book was taken out of the box. It's a magnificent discovery. Well done, Alison.
As an ameteur Tudor historian, I loved this. What an exciting discovery! Thank you for sharing. It's so exciting to think that at any given moment, new discoveries are waiting to be made in plain sight. Can't wait to see what we find next in regards to this dramatic period in English history.
Such a simple discovery it’s amazing it went unnoticed for so long!🇬🇧
So exciting! I have a love hate relationship with Cromwell after reading Mantel's books, and prayer books show up all around the place, so this is very exciting
I couldnt believe seeing this book in real life. So lucky those that get to touch it!
Love Susannah. Very empathic presenter, but always very factual. 😊
WELCOME BACK, DR. SUSANNA LIPSCOMB ! I DO LOVE YOUR HISTORICAL DOCUMENTARIES.
As a non British person - when I saw the thumbnail I thought it was a picture of Martin Luther 🙈😬 my apologies guys! How amazing and exciting must have been for that lady, to make a connection no one did for 400+ years! Such an interesting content, thank you ❤
I am not British either, but I as many others love watching English history dokumentaries about their royals. So much drama, better than fictional movies/TV .
Honestly, I find the royals repulsive from any country back then, but it is still important historical knowledge we should know,IMO.
Cheers
Fascinating find ! Well done Alison Palmer.....
Amazing - what an incredible story. Would love to see more of this!
It really makes you wonder how much stuff is just sitting out there, waiting for someone to connect the dots. How cool!
Fascinating discovery. Thank you for sharing!
literally just saw this book earlier today in the castle. amazing !
Oh, lucky you. Just to look at such priceless treasures is wonderful. 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Great Documentary. Funny I saw that painting to the side of the fireplace in the FRICK MUSEUM NYC.Holbein's Thomas More was on the other side of the fire place.Definitely worth a visit for Tudor Heads. My favourite museum.
Love Suzanne Lipscomb. As lover of Tudor history. This is a great piece. Please post more content like this and from Suzanne Lipscomb.
I don’t understand how it hasn’t been noticed before. The portrait is pretty famous.
How fascinating
Who doesn't love this brilliant historian? As for Cromwell, it is always interesting to a study a man who, like Eichmann, always obeyed orders.
Hey Suzannah. Love your work 👍
that is so cool. I too was wondering like, what would have been the circumstances under which Cromwell’s descendants would have chosen to preserve it? Like, where was it after he died? Where was in the 17th and 18th centuries? So fascinating!
Super exciting!!! Haven’t been to Hever, but it’s on my list 🎉 📕
Just wonderful, thank you. I think I’d look at it and just - drool. Wow, the opportunity. 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
What a fantastic discovery...
The Tudor period is my favourite, as so much happened within it...
Suzannah Lipscomb is one of my favourite Historians too...
The way she conveys history in her programmes is just brilliant.......would love to meet her one day, as i did with David Starkey.....
And Hever is an amazing place....
I live near Rochford Hall, Essex.....itself a player in the Tudor History.....
I love Alison’s explanation. I think it was the placement of the jewels and the clasps. In other words, it looks just as it did in the painting.
I do love your documentaries....thank you for sharing 8:52
Glad you like them!
This is very interesting and very well presented.Thanks
I would be interested to know about the theological content of the prayer book. Would the book of hours have contained prayers reflecting a thoroughly Catholic theology? What were Cromwell's beliefs about ecclesiology at this time?
Good question 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Oh... more please, how interesting!! 👍🏽💯 📚 📖 😊
Who ever sees this can you get Dan snow to try what Napoleon ate on a daily basis or what king Louie ate on a daily basis I feel like it would be quite interesting to see what he thinks of their diets
Suzannah ❤️ I never skip a video whenever I see her in the thumbnail!
I visited Hever Castle today and saw both books.😊
Cromwell as a person of faith has too long been ignored. Over the course of his career under Henry he took enormous personal risks for years to facilitate church reform and support the evangelical cause in England. Foxe got this. That prayer book was in Cromwell’s portrait because he wanted it there. God bless Ralph Sadler for preserving this for posterity.
He was an evil person who spread lies about people that got them killed. I hope he is burning in hell.
@@lindawunderlich5436 you mean like the way Anne Boleyn helped destroy Cardinal Wolsey’s life and work? His poor health saved him from the executioner’s block. Or the way Anne helped make Queen Catherine and Princess Mary exiles in their own country? Cromwell’s intervention definitely preserved Mary’s status at court and may have prevented her premature death. Or the way “Saint” Thomas More saw to the immolation for their faith of Thomas Hitton, Thomas Bilney, Richard Bayfield, John Tewkesbury, Thomas Dusgate, and James Bainham?
But for Anne’s tragic inability to bear a male heir for Henry she very likely would have outlived Cromwell. When Henry decided Anne must go, Cromwell was there to carry out the will of his sovereign just as he did for a thousand other decisions. Of course Cromwell wasn’t about to stand in the way of Henry over someone who helped destroy Wolsey and also threatened Cromwell’s own life. Even Archbishop Cranmer, Anne’s evangelical soulmate, was more than happy to go along to get along. Was he “evil” too?
@@ChristopherMarshburn yes. All the game of thrones players. I stand by my words and Anne I did not reference. Karma took all.
I'm afraid this might make me seem somewhat the nutter, but here goes.. If we believe that the book in Holbein's piccie of TC is indeed The B Of Hours, and it looks like it could be, then seeing it opened, even on screen, and recollecting this famous painting, well it gives me the WEIRDEST feeling, like a kind of magic (not the Queen song🤣), I mean it's like a direct conduit or mysterious wormhole directly into the C16, wow, who needs mind altering substances with historians pulling stunts like THIS? One might almost say "like WOW man", or such..
As ever, Prof Liscomb's presentation is flawless. This is a truly significant discovery, someone in the comments said what a pity it is that Hilary Mantell is no longer with us to share in this. I'm pretty sure that this is indeed the book under advisement.
Nice one Prof & team. Impressive. 🌟👍
I live in Cambridge. This prayer book was confirmed earlier this year. However I’m never going to complain if we get to see Suzannah again. 😍
Thank you
I absolutely love Susannah’s presentations! It’s fantastically narrated
Well done Alison Palmer!!
Two of the most impressive women meeting at the same time on one intersection of our planets time in the stars. Queens, princesses, future Legends, the earth is a weird rock floating through space. We are but algae or a cancer upon this Earth back only a few times do you get to witness what made it good.
A rug, a pair of scissors, a purse. A curious collection of items. All are significant. My first thought was that Cromwell placed that Book of Hours on the table as he did for his portrait as a sort of souvenir in the way serial killers keep tokens of their kills? I wonder....
I saw the book on Sunday at Hever Castle. Amazing how in good condition it is in still
The background music is very distracting.
Fascinating!
The fly leaf has writing on it. Are we not going to get a chance to see what it sais?
Exemplary work for sure. My anxiety levels peaked each time the book was opened.
Amazing stuff.
Ms Lipscomb! Such a complete gem.
In Britain when they cover the reformation in history class, is it emphasized how catholics were punished for following their faith? In other history documentaries from Britain it seems glossed over how much money and property was stolen, less the lives destroyed and killed.
Yes. Learnt both sides
Well, the RCC had been ripping off the populace for centuries and claimed secular authority had no jurisdiction over church crimes. They were extremely unpopular. And Henry VIII wanted money. Come uppance for the church criminals
I noticed that when I was looking at the oldest churches in england and saw how many catholic churches and monasteries were destroyed during that period of king henry VIII. It made me sad to see that instead of repurposing those churches that they were simply torn down. It bothers me that there are periods in history where historical landmarks are destroyed because of the radical beliefs or events of that period.
Henry was a pig. A murderous, scandalous, pig. His destruction of Englands history by destroying countless Catholic Churches and monasteries was the single worst loss of English Anglo Saxon history. Centuries of priceless manuscripts and family records lost because a fat pig was killing his best people, innocent wives, and so on. His memory be dammed.
this is amazing!!!!!
She's gorgeous 🥰
Just WOW!!
Well...congratulations to Allison ""Holmes""🔹🍎🔹
My only question is why would Catherine of Aragon’s prayer book be displayed at Hever Castle beside Anne Boelyn’s of all people? She must be turning in her grave.
Very exciting 😊
Was the book with him at Execution?
I wanted to know what the inscriptions said.
And there is so much more buried in Archives and libraries. Many turning to dust as not allowed to be viewed or recorded.
I have books that are 20 years old that are in nowhere near as good condition lol
So cool!!!
Can anyone out there tell me what or who the coat of arms in the front of the book belongs to.
Excellent.
that is not true - the prayer book of Richard the III was also again found and returned to him on his grave - similar story - but first - still brilliant discovery and congrats on it -🥰🥰🥰🥰😀🥰🥰🥰🥰
I enjoyed the video, but I was very disappointed with the ending. I would have expected the questions about provenance to have been answered _before_ proclaiming that this book once belonged to Cromwell.
But he keeps touching(with gloves) and seems to keep opening it, closing it, and turning pages!!! 🤯 Are those just repeated shots?? Seems too many times for me 😬 Will we be able to know for sure it was his??
I thought the finding of T C book of hours was fantastic and is on show for people to look at now and in years to come.
Did cardinal Wolsey not refuse to except Henry's marriage to Anne Boylene,not secure it.
He wss executed for his beliefs
Am i wrong?
I think the story goes he was in poor health and died on his journey Northwards.
He had a mistress/ wife too.
I think Henry VIII would have had him executed but his death avoided that.
In all other ways, he was a most faithful servant to Henry.
Cromwell, served Henry well until under pressure to get rid of Anne.
I think Cromwell, imo,was a wily operator
He was born in London but lived abroad, Belgium? For a few years under patronage
The only person I believe Henry regretted executing, was Thomas Moore, who was a man of principle
Is a book of hours a bible, or a book of prayers?
Such a shame that hillary mantell didn't get to see this discovery... she'd have been thrilled I bet
It should always be exposed with the other two prayer books of KoA and AB !!!!!
Hi! Su....❤❤😊😊😊
Blimey!!!
Sad that Hilary Mantel isn’t alive to see this
Hopefully they can replace the missing book latch
If the other one became untenable I would consider it worthwhile. However I think the original garnet would have to be used and that would require further work on the cover. It's tricky because any restoration work becomes as much about the restorer as it does the artefact and that means meddling with history. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done only that it requires us to make difficult choices. I'd prefer a recreation in all its glory (expensive but viable) to a patching up of the old book. If it couldn't be done physically then possibly digitally and made available for a small fee online.
@@kevinjohnbetts I agree. Any work would have to be very carefully considered before anything is done. A recreation is the best. Only if an object is in danger should work be done on it if at all. I like the digital idea.
I think it will eventually be found in another Henry VIII collection as a gemstone of unknown purpose. Nobody really thought to look for it. Now perhaps they will. As for the repairs, they should be done with the utmost caution and skill, or not at all.
Did you not watch the video until the end. The theory is that the garnet from the clasp was later installed on the back of the book once the clasp no longer worked. The book is clearly lying flat on the table in the portrait of Cromwell so at the time he owned it that back jewel wasn’t there.
Horrible first couple of minutes glaring backlights, I had to dim the screen. Great story and Lipscomb does a great job… but the videographer/editor did a bad job.
Odd pseudonym to have that view! Maybe 2 billion people think Bible and Christian faith is relevant: Christians and Muslims for a start. Then the billion or two who persecute Christians in China, Russia, Nirth Korea, and, increasingly, India.
Mark Twain, himself, said it's not the difficult to understand parts of the Bible that he found difficult but the very clear parts as being challenging
Oliver Cromwell was the greatest Viking Diasporate.
How ironic! Catherine of Aragon, Ann Boleyn, and Thomas Cromwell ruthlessly enable Henry VIII to be able to marry Anne. Boleyn and then to have her executed.
You misplace the source of the ruthlessness.
😂 oh dear...No...
What did poor Catherine of Aragon do? She was fighting to keep her faith ( which was super important at the time) and to keep her daughter safe. It’s not as easy looking at it through the eyes of today 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
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No it's not the book in the picture. The book is missing a clip, nice try though.
I wish they would not whisper in videos with very special artifacts. Just talk normally. I try to listen at work but I can’t get the soft spoken whispering up high enough to hear. When Dr. Litscomb speaks she’s not whispering. Of course it’s a great find but just speak normally please.
They were in a library when looking at the book?
It would have been wonderful to see more of the book rather than just folks googling over it. Great subject poor presentation.
First
Whatever, Ms. Mantel. Cromwell was an arrogant, opportunistic d-bag like many at Henry VIII's court. Who got his comeuppance, again like many. He fed the face-eating leopard, until it turned on him. Interesting to see the book, though.
Fawning over this "prayer" book is pathetic. Its apparent original owner ended so many lives, for all the wrong reasons, that it should be burnt.
How is that the book’s fault? I don’t care for Cromwell but it’s fascinating that this book survived. I’ve seen a car Hitler owned in a museum. It brings up a lot of ugly emotions but it’s still part of history. You can’t whitewash all the ugly bits out of history. We only learn from contemplating others’ mistakes not by ignoring them.
That might be the most brainless thing I've ever read 🤦
Reading prayer books for 25/8 but still did unlawful things to judge other people. Psycho.
Is it me or does the curator look like a descendant of Thomas Cromwell?
WOW! How excit....ZZZ...ZZZ...ZZZ!
Nice pretty woman. But never marry one like this. She will remember everything you did for the rest of your life.. 😂😂😂😂 If not she will make it up by "evidence"🎉
The Tudor family originated on the Isle of Anglesey.