WTF Happened to Watchmen?
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2022
- In this episode of WTF Happened to this Movie, we look at Zack Snyder’s divisive big-screen adaptation of Alan Moore’s Watchmen. Hollywood tried for years to turn this into a film, with directors such as Paul Greengrass, Terry Gilliam and more attached. In the end, Snyder, who was coming off of another ambitious graphic novel adaptation, Frank Miller’s 300, was the one who made it work. Boasting a unique cast of character actors and a period 1980’s setting, Snyder made a mostly faithful adaptation that was attacked by some critics, hated by others, and divided fans. In this episode, we dig into the film's origins and reception.
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The task of adapting Watchmen into film was gargantuan. The fact that Zach Snyder put out anything at all let alone an almost 3 hour long R rated comic book movie with 0 big names attached is nothing short of a hard earned miracle. Snyder and this movie has its faults but he obviously knew the material very well and it was made with a lot of admiration.
Zack knew the Watchmen material and he respect the original source material very well but unfortunately this is the only comic book material that he respected
Zack just did as he always does, use the comic book as a storyboard
Alan Moore still hates the movie. I think it's okay, not great great, and I miss that squid.
@@misaeljoelvera6631 : this is going to sound dumb. But I don’t like it because it’s not an adaptation of the comic, but more a direct remake of it. It’s not a movie, its a live action comic. Not playing to the strengths of either. I can’t put my finger on the problem, but it’s one occurrence, where for me, it’s too much like the book.. which sounds nonsense when written like that.
The longer 215 minute ultimate cut version is better than the 3 hour version. Even with all the material, i feel like it needed more work and some parts he didn't fully understand the material.
"Rorschach's journal: October 12th, 1985..."
The moment I fell in love with this movie.
I rented the film and that fight scene in the beginning was awesome at that point went out and bought it .
The director's cut of this movie is the only one I'll watch. I watched it in the theater as well. Alan Moore might not think his work would be 'appreciated' by filmmakers, but Zach Snyder put an amazing take on his characters I still consider relevant today - great video!
The directors cut is superior & makes more sense.
Same. Director’s cut is much better
I agree, but I also think the ultimate cut is the best cut
This movie would have been a huge success had it been released between 2013-2019.
It's a great movie.
Absolutely
The only thing is it was popular to be anti Zack Snyder during that time, so he probably wouldn't have directed it and it wouldn't have come out the way it did
It’s a great superhero movie. But it has two fatal flaws: the actress playing Silk Spectre 2 is terrible and the inclusion of Dr. Manhattan’s nudity makes it campy.
The number of years of life don't matter it would still suck even if it came out in 2022
You must like math your throwing out numbers lol
Few intros are as memorable as this movie's was. Great movie, very re-watchable. Thanks for this video JoBlo!
Ive said for years that this comic book movie is the closest a theatrically released film has been to its source material. Its not beat for beat, but close enough, with the director's cut dvd being even closer
You can tell Snyder's passion and effort were there, it's unfair he was criticized so much this past decade
honestly I think it refocuses the material and gives it the opposite message of the graphic novel. It portrays violence in a way that is diametrically opposed to the themes in the novel.
@@g.sferrazza10-13 that's what people don't undestand they just want blood and slow-mo scenes
Sin City
@@guidosman9218 agreed. I'm a Snyder fan but his glorification of violence is antithetical to the themes of Watchmen in tht way
I remember seeing the introductory credits set to the Bob Dylan song at a studio presentation showcasing the coming year’s roster of releases and being blown away by the scope and impact. The movie is an artistic and casting watermark, in my opinion. Jackie Earle Hayley, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Patrick Wilson and Matthew Goode were especially impactful for me.
My favorite Zack Snyder movie. The visuals, style, characters are so cool and layered. As an adaptation, it worked for me.
His style is definitely the perfect choice for this type of material. I just wish it didn't catapult him into doing the DCEU, because that's exactly what it *doesn't* need, aside from Batman.
@@hellomark1 I really like his take on Superman. His version of Justice League is one of the best DCEU movies. I'd take it over a Shazam, Aquaman, WW84, Suicide Squad, any day. I like Man of Steel, B.v.S. didn't work out, but his J.L. is excellent. So he made up for its shortcomings in my opinion.
Love this movie, and the fact it didn't have big stars attached to it further helped this film. I'm not a big Snyder fan, but he knocked it out of the park with this film, and despite the changed ending and other varying differences, this is as close to the source material that you can get. And lets not forget the amazing scene telling the origin story of Dr.Manhattan, it's one of the most emotional and gripping parts of the film, plus the score by Phillip Glass gives it that extra punch.
Right. This really was a good movie, I enjoyed it. I liked it better than other superhero movies that were hits… such as Iron Man. I didn’t like Iron Man. It’s a shame that Watchmen was a flop, but that had to do with the fact that it was ahead of it’s time
The film got some stuff right, but I feel it missed the overall point and tone of the book by a wide margin
Watchmen was brilliant. Great story, great acting, I loved the Dark tone of this movie I pray Mr. Snyder makes more of these movies.
This is the first hardcore R-Rated movie I've ever seen. I couldn't even finish watching the first time
It forever changed my life and the way I used to see the world
I even made short films because of this movie
Right, it’s unusual for a superhero movie to be R rated. The first one that was rated R (that I know of) was The Punisher
i cant even get $6 for it
Loved Watchmen from day one! I still remember waiting each month for the new issue to be put on the shelves at my local comic book shop!
As I never read the Comic or Graphic Novel Series, I fell in love with this film, attending the local Theater on opening night (Drive-In, for my preferred enjoyment).
A month later(or later) I picked up WATCHMEN on DVD, and have watched this film at least 20+ times with wonderment!
I'm trying to imagine what a Terry Gilliam 'Watchman' movie would look like.
OMG Arnie as doctor Manhattan!!! We've dodged a bullet there!! 😅 The casting is perfect in this movie, sorry for the casual viewer but as a fan of the book I find this faithful adaptation amazing (the ultimate edition that is)
He's already played Manhattan only his character was called Mr Freeze
@@billhobbs7077 😂😂
And Simon Pegg as Rorschach! And Tim Burton directing! Jeez, sounds like we missed quite a few bullets if this video is to be believed lol
It graphic novel ended with a octopus attacking New York... this movie did not... faithful adaptation? You never red the graphic novel lol
Sorry squid...
I don't care what anyone says, Watchmen is amazing. I try not to watch it too often because I want it to stay special like the first time I saw it. I was blown away back when it came out. Rorschach is the most badass character. "I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!"
an amazing film, especially visually. 100% remember the watchmen trailer being attached to the dark knight in theaters (like many other people, i saw that movie a whole bunch of times). without any previous knowledge of the source material i was instantly hooked. it just looked so good, and the smashing pumpkins song they paired the trailer with (the beginning is the end is the beginning) fit like a glove. fun fact is that song was originally the final track on the 1997 batman + robin soundtrack, but in my eyes it forever belongs to watchmen. thanks for this, joblo. appreciate the work you do.
Jackie Earle Haley is such an amazing actor. Perfect Rorschach. I really enjoyed this film. So underrated
I really liked that movie once I understood it.
I saw it in theatres and then was like "wtf was that, especially the hallelujah song during the love-making scene", but I circled back it years later and now appreciate it for what it is. A great adaptation of an excellent comic novel.
that totally contradicts what the novel is trying to say
its a trash adaptation that entirely misrepresents the source material...
@@guidosman9218 oops, really?
@@William-Morey-Baker for real? I'll have to check the comics again then. 🤷♀️
Great video JoBlo!!! I own a graphic novel of Watchman (2nd printing if I recall correctly). I often feel like it gained popularity in graphic novel forms back in the late 80's. I also own the Watchman on DVD and I re-watch it every year or so. I'm too lazy to dig it out to confirm if it's the Directors Cut or not (I think it is). That "Complete Cut" with the added Black Freighter animated story in it...that definitely would be a gem in my DVD collection. Much like so many John Carpenter movies, I'm glad that Watchman is still gaining viewers and realising it was way better than the Marketing people made it out to be "back in the day". Thanks again JoBlo for giving this movie some love!!!
I was 15 when the original Watchmen comic came out. It changed the way I think about authority figures, rules and even people in general. I know 15 is at time when things like that happen. But it shaped and influenced me in a way many other things were not. The movie, not so much. But I think it was a moment in time that you just could not capture on film so many years later.
One of the best- if not the best- comic adaption ever. And a great movie.
Excellent review. Thank you. Time for me to watch again my "Watchmen: The Ultimate Cut" blu-ray :-)
What happened to this movie? It came out 8 years too early. If Watchmen would've came out now or within the past 5 years, it would've been a major hit at the box office.
Like Tron, that movie was way ahead of it’s time too
The Ultimate Edition of the Watchmen is the best version to see. Nightowl 2 and Rorschach for my favorite characters in the movie.
I think the director's cut is better because i didn't understand the point of existence of the animation stuff
I remember watching the 300 documentaries... when at the very end Frank Miller turned around and asked Snyder "so how're you gonna do Watchmen?" I almost fell over in my chair. Snyder's response "very carefully" got me excited beyond belief. The movie is quite an achievement, especially considering its budget, and surely way ahead of its time.
Alan Moore was always against film adaptations of his comics, saying he made his stories unfilmable to show the potential of the comics medium
Did he say anything about the movie?
@@pleasejustdoit1746 not exactly about the movie but one of the movie's screenwriters David Hayter stated that Alan Moore considered his script to be the closest to the source material that anyone have gotten but he would keep distancing himself of the movie due to his issue with adaptations and most likely due to the horrible experience he had with DC when he was making the original graphic novel with Dave Gibbons.
@@pleasejustdoit1746 He's against the adaptations so much that he doesn't want his name associated with them and even refuses the money he would recieve, which all goes to the artist. This is why the movie only credits Dave Gibbons for the book.
At first, Moore didn't care about the film adaptations either way and just took the money without a second thought, but after the movie From Hell was made, he felt the movie industry was bastardizing his books and vowed never to have anything to do with them again.
I respect the man for his principles and I can definitely say I wouldn't do the same. I'd take the money no doubt! Lol!
@@ArcherSuh4721 Isn't "For the Man Who Has Everything" from Justice League Unlimited the only adaptation of an Alan Moore story for which Alan Moore permitted for his name to be used?
@@sorin-3510 Yes, it was a rare case of getting Moore's approval. Though after The Killing Joke movie, I doubt he'll ever give it again! Lol!
The casting was perfect.
Absolutely loved this movie when it first came out. It always amazes me when I hear about good movies doing poorly in the box-office. Just goes to show most people wouldn't know good art if it hit them in the face.
This film was an achievement for Snyder just for the fact he even got it off the ground. I enjoyed and appreciated what I saw from the casting to the design to the tone to the performances. The intro sequence was brilliant as it helped give the film and story, in general, a sense of historical grounding, which also helped give it weight.
If they just waited another 15 years, this would have made an incredible series for one of the streaming platforms.
I'm so happy with the actors that ended up in the rolls. That movie is amazing, and a work of art. Just like the comics.
Taken on its own, _Watchmen: The Ultimate Cut_ is a masterpiece. Just like Keanu Reeves' _Contantine_ it is a flawed adaptation of its source material, and yes, Synder should have had the balls and kept the squid in. The whole point was that it was a supervillain plan... and it worked. Coming right after Reagan told Gorbachev that "if we were attacked by aliens, we'd come together" in 1985, the squid plan absolutely makes sense in that timeline
Too many are too hung up on that Outer Limits thing, but that is not at all what Moore was referencing in the book. As with almost everything he's ever done, he takes his references from the political and social things that happened at the time he was writing it, and then extrapolates it to its satirical and outlandish logical conclusion
*Search for 'Watchmen Trailer The Smashing Pumpkins' and thank me later*
I saw this trailer in the cinema over a decade ago and still remember it gave me goosebumps
Love the movie! Well cast, acted, filmed, directed etc.
Love these videos!
I remember being a teenager when this was released. I read the graphic novel like two years prior, then the movie was released. I actually snuck that thick graphic novel in my mom’s purse so I can follow along (so lame lol). And even as a teenager I was impressed at how closely the film reflected the graphic novel. Will always be my top ten favorites.
Now, calming my mom down in the theatre, everytime they showed Dr. Manhattan’s manly parts is another story 😂. I just remember her shocked eyes followed by the “Raven wth do you have us watching”. My 9 yr old little brother was there too lmaoooo. She even left to see if there were another showing of a cartoon for them to leave and watch, but it was too late. We were at like a 10/11 o’clock showing 😂. Good times 🥲
I love The directors cut this is a very underrated film …in my opinion and it needs to be talked about more……..I can’t wait for the 4K
it don't need to be in the mainstream conversation. we don't need no juvenile stans to pollute a quiet slice of people cognoscenti .
Who liked that outstanding fight scene at the beginning of the film .
I think its beautiful one of the best comic book movies ever made
I'd still like to see *_Watchmen_* adapted as a twelve-hour miniseries. That would be its ideal form of adaptation.
funny that HBO totally screwed up that goal by doing a woke adaptation that everyone thought sucked
@@nuckygulliver9607
Clearly not everyone. Show was better received than the average comic book tv show
Nice job!
one of my favorite movies of all time. the title sequence alone is better than most entire movies.
this is easily one of my favorite comic book movies. love how faithful he was to the comic and yes I agree with his decision to remove the giant squid, felt that was the right move for a movie adaptation. wonderful movie that has aged very well
Director's cut is phenomenal and the best I believe is possible given the scope and breadth of the source material.
One of my favorite films of the last 20 years, it was released at the wrong time, hence it lack of success in the box office; nevertheless, it’s an amazing underrated film… love the graphic novel, also.
Haha
Great film . It was done really well and shows how talented Zack Snyder is as a director.
I remember seeing the trailer. Not knowing anything about the graphic novel. Going to seeing the movie and loving it.
Chico, it was veeeery niche at the time.to this day in real life i know only one person other than myself that's a fan. the tv adaptation was equally stellar. and it put Juneteenth on the national Map .
14:55 no, he said his true cut is Director's one , without Black Freighter
Tom Cruise as Ozymandias would have been crazy cool
Great video. I haven’t watched Watchmen in many years…probably should revisit it :)
Also: In the audio of the video itself, I heard many T’s and P’s being overly loud…you better check that pop-filter…
Such an amazing film that only seems to get better with time.
I admit I was thrilled just to see someone come close and do an amazing job in the process. It made me think I like to see his take on Camelot 3000.
One of my favorites. I’m buying the ultimate edition right now!
If it wasn't for this film there wouldn't be The Boys and Invincible tv shows
When Watchmen came out on DVD, I found a couple other supplemental DVDs at Big Lots: The Complete Motion Comic and Tales of the Black Freighter. Animated stuff, of course, and damn good.
This is one of my all time favourite films
Absolutely loved this story, loved the movie, disappointed in the change to the ending, but I still think its a must watch.
Not only a must watch, but a good re-watchable one too... However, I do think the ending, where "evil" prevails, fits the movie's theme.
@@julcaos yeah I hear ya. I'm just a bigger fan of uniting against aliens
the movie ending improves upon the comic's ending. Space Vampires by Colon Wilson which 100% Alan Moore would've read because Colin Wilson, a fellow Englishman wrote a lot about the occult and wrote sci fi that Moore would like. My point is that Moore stole the ending so it loses the defense for me. Making the story involve a major character in the book's fate made a tighter story. It changed the story for the better because it was simpler and stronger. I always thought people would take samples of the alien and discover it was fake.
i simply loved the movie... no preconceptions.. no overblown expectations...
and really enjoyed it/ watch it on Blu ray regularly... maybe its NOT a "Gold Standard" for adaptations from Comics ???
dont care.. i kick back, and just let it play.. and love it.
9:47 "Big fan of the source material since he was a child."
LOL come on, Jackie Earle Haley was 26-27 years old when Watchmen came out. 😂
I really like this movie. I know the ending was changed but I love smoking, Drinking and watching the extended cut.
I watched it when i was 10. It's one of my unforgettable guilty pleasures of my lifetime
I’m surprised you guys haven’t re-recorded the thank-you message. The sound quality is so bad for it, and I would think it would only take a second to re-record.
I didn't care for The Watchmen when I first saw it but after seeing it a few times I grew an appreciation for it. Now years later after seeing the film close to one hundred times The Watchmen is one of favorite films.
I watched The Watchmen on a 14-hour flight and it really helped kill the time and consider my place in the universe at 40,000 feet above the ocean. That intro drew me straight in, and even though it was HEAVILY edited for Etihad's standards, it totally worked. Edit: I got the Bluray later and wowzaa there's some mature scenes that were not included in the Muslim-approved In Flight Entertainment version which was SO chaste by comparison. The blue guy had underpants.
I strongly recommend the HBO show. It beautifully expands on the IP and is one of the greatest miniseries I've ever seen period.
The movie is perfect. I'm glad it went the way it did.
9:20 lmao those bonnets were hot back in the day.
Literally and figuratively 😂😂
Great video 👏👏👏👏😂
I watched it over and over, love the movie, love the parallel reality and sarcasm, cinematography and music choices!
Loved Watchmen on release. Still love revisiting. The dark tone was great and would love to see more like it.
I think watchmen is one of my favourite film ever love it !
The ending with explosion instead of squid was in Hayter's scrip btw
Absolutely loved Watchmen. Definitely a must own DVD.
I thought Snyder did a great job adapting this story to film considering how complex the story is and also the length of time he was constrained too. Like Dune, I think this story would have been better split into parts or as a miniseries.
After 'The Dark Knight', the ultimate cut of 'The Watchmen' is probably the best superhero movie ever. Unfortunately it is still underrated.
still enjoy watching this like it was my first time, same love i have for Man of Steel
i bought the collectors edition when i was still collecting blurays.. circa 2009
I dunno, I fucking loved this movie from the first time I watched it. I had no idea about the graphic novel until my brother informed me the movie was based off the novel. Being a big fan of The Bad News Bears, I was excited to see “Kelly Leak” play Rorschach. 🤷🏽♂️
This movie is now a classic. One of the most epic superhero movie ever.
I am glad a lot of people enjoy this adaption. Personally, as someone who watched it when they were 15, again every few years, and have read the book multiple times, I can't stand this adaption.
It is such a surface level understanding of watchman. Ignore the squid, focus on the fact that the heroes look cool. Ignore that they are superhuman, even though a big point in watchman is that no one has superpowers other than Dr. Manhatten. The slow motion, the dark colors that really ruin the orignals great coloring evocative of the Era. The fact that Adrian has no ambiguity. He is completely evil from the beginning, Snyder frames him like a devil from an overly dramatic opera.
I do admire the movie technically, and the fact that Snyder adapted something meant to be impossible to adapt. But I really wish there was more nuance.
@Erik Kemeey that's cool. I hope you enjoy the movie. I don't, but I know a lot of people who do.
It still has one of the best movie intros ever too
3:57 wow that was such a short video, usuall---- oh..
I love Watchmen. I like the movies adaption of Dr Manhattan's power being the antithesis for peace instead of the space octopus, I always thought that was lame.
the plot of the movie doesnt make any sense without the space octopus!!
@@andremaurizzio9130 what? Instead of a super abstract villain from space for the governments to band together against they made it into dr Manhattan. It makes total sense.
Love that movie, I've had the graphic novel for decades
LOVE this movie.
Zack Snyder is so underrated and doesn’t get the praise he deserves for filming Watchmen. It’s not perfect, of course it’s not, but it’s a great film and an achievement none the less.
Normally I would’ve chewed you out, because I’m so sick of hearing “underrated.” People overuse it and throw it around too much. Not to mention they falsely use it. But you’re right, this actually was an underrated movie
WTF Happened to Watchmen?
It was underrated and overlooked.
The Ultimate Cut is the only way to watch this masterpiece.
The watchmen is a master piece. Using the intro to give us some history and some character building was genius! The no name actors didn't bother me because the story was more compelling than the actors. I still consider the Watchmen to be the best super hero movie to date. A somewhat original script, very little super heroesque feats of strength and the most detestable character to remind us what truth is.
Sure the Marvel films are great but for the most part they follow the comics.
I absolutely loved the movie adaptation. It really respected the characters.
I first read the graphic novel of Watchmen a couple of weeks before the movie came out. Boy, was that a slog of a read! I barely could get through it in time for the movie. Went with a couple of my friends to see it opening weekend. Loved it. I like Zack Snyder as a director. I watch the Director's Cut every so often still. Jackie is too good in that movie! I even love the Watchmen show. I just like this sort of anti-hero world overall.
Zack's Watchmen is to the comic what Lynch's Dune was to the book.
So bad ?
So what you're saying is that Snyder should direct (without studio interference) a silent hill or resident evil movie
I would love to see Scott Derrickson do Silent Hill.
I think Tom Cruise as Ozymandias could have been awesome
But that would’ve been too expensive, Tom Cruise is one of the biggest stars ever
Michael Fassnender would've good as Ozymandias.
*Time's 100 greatest English language novels from 1923-2005. Not all-time. Still a mammoth accomplishment.
Zack was really wanted Tom cruise as Adrian . I THINK it should've got a wider appeal to it if he was in the movie.....
Anyways Watchmen is my fav comic book movie of all time
I even owened the Ultimate-Cut Steel book🔥
I had very mixed feelings about the theatrical cut but I liked the Ultimate Cut so much more!
Really good videos but please get a pop filter on your microphone...
Snyder's Watchmen is the closest comic book to movie adaptation I've ever seen. It's nigh on flawless. Painfully underrated, insanely so.
Have read watchmen or like hack snyder just looked at the pictures?
Both, I did enjoy both mediums. It was spot on.
I knew nothing about the comics going into the movie, but I could tell from the advertising that it really wasn't going to be an action spectacular, since they kept only showing the same couple action scenes in every preview. As such, I knew to expect something that was much more of a think-piece.