I take my own personal Red Goddess to see a Green Goddess!
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Hello all you fine and wonderful people of the interwebs,
Today, we take my Dennis RS130 out for a run - to go meet a much older fire appliance, and just have a look at the two side by side.
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A video featuring:
Lawrie - Presenter, overjoyed to take the RS out again,
Ash - Camera, enjoying a trip out in Jupiter,
Matt - Cameraman, still not believing Jupiter is running.
A video edited by Lawrie.
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I like how you've got "Mid Suffolk Light Railway" written on the sign board where the name of the fire brigade would normally be. It's a nice touch.
I think the term Green Goddess was coined during the fireman's strike in the late '70s or very early '80s, when military equipment and equipment retained for civil defence use in the time of war, such as the Green Goddesses, crewed by military personnel were the only fire equipment the public would see for some time. My father was part of the military crew on one of these while he was posted as an instructor at a local naval establishment in the final period of his service...
A lot of AFS GGs went back after their service with the painted bell now brightly polished as, in the services and particularly the Navy, if something is brass then it must be polished and it WILL be polished, a common punishment detail for people who had committed minor infractions of regulations..
At my father's base, they had an answer for the inconvenience of accessing the driver and vehicle commander's seats. They had pedestals of scaffold either side of the appliances so that the front seat crew could go in through the side windows, as they wouldn't be wearing breathing apparatus, and the crew would access the cabin via the side doors...
Another quirk of the AFS beasts was that a lot of them were fitted with Geiger counters on the dashboards. These were pretty sensitive instruments, especially fairly early versions, and being fitted in a harsh-riding, vibratory and rarely used vehicle was less than ideal for keeping them in pristine condition, with the results that, when the strike came round and the equipment was needed, the meters were rather temperamental. My father recalled an occasion when they were called out. As the Goddesses were not fitted with any emergency lighting or siren system that would have been current at the time then they would be accompanied by police vehicles, if any were available for that duty, or military police vehicles as they often were fitted with emergency equipment. My father was riding in the Naval Provost escort vehicle when he suddenly noticed the Goddess behind him throw out the anchors, come to a relative screeching halt for one of them and the crew complete an emergency exit definitely not in Naval order. It transpired that, with the jiggling as the vehicle had gone along the road, the Geiger counter had turned itself on and gone completely nuts, which had rather unnerved the crew. The driver of the Provost Landie went and had a look in the cab and came back telling everyone "don't worry about that, them things are complete shite..." Which was perfectly true, it was just that the information that those meters were totally useless hadn't been passed on along with the vehicles. When you're in the military and a Geiger counter starts going mad then you are rather taught to react to it as situations are rather less than ideal, particularly if you're a submariner, hence the reaction from the crew. My father did discover, however, that the meters would happily pick up the radiation coming off the luminous writing on the dashboard gauges, necessary as, like all military vehicles, they had to be capable of operating under conditions that allowed no light to be emitted upwards to prevent them becoming a target for an airborne enemy. Older vehicles, and, indeed, clocks and watches, had their gauge faces painted with a paint with a radioactive element (Radium if I remember rightly) to achieve the luminosity in the dark. A lot of the people who had the job of painting the faces would die of unpleasant cancers as they would often lick their brushes to get them to the fine point needed for this work, and so ingested sufficient amounts of the Radium to cause them radioactive illnesses. ..
My father's main recollections of the Goddesses was that they were slow, incredibly noisy though they made a great noise in his words, not all that nice to drive and incredibly easy to fall off or out of. The Navy had more cases of broken arms/legs/ankles etc in service during that year than they had had for a long time prior, and a very large amount of them were caused by people falling off or out of a Green Goddess. But they did their jobs well and probably saved a fair few lives during that time...
I love this comment more than I can relate in words: It's incredible information! I can definitely relate to the comment about the Geiger counter too: I'm not military but I come from a family of service members. my father was stationed on a USAF airbase in Germany that was expected to be hit with a rather unpleasant warhead (basically either chemical, biological, or Nuclear) within thirty minutes of the war going hot, then overrun within two hours. his job was to launch every fighter the wing had, then destroy as much of the bases' equipment and infrastructure as they could before getting overrun. They did scramble drills where they had to launch every plane the wing had within so many minutes (I think 15?) in full chemical/bio/radiological gear. Naturally they all had a healthy aversion to Geiger counters.
@@sawyerawr5783 The Cold War was a pretty stressful time to be in the services as, for a lot of that period, a lot of people were pretty certain it was going to become a hot war at any point with almost no warning, and it almost did a few times. I can't imagine what your father's feelings were about his role, knowing that he almost certainly wouldn't get out. But the people all did their jobs to the best of their ability and according to their training despite what their personal feelings and concerns were. It's impossible not to admire their utter bravery...
That´s right and confirmed on BFBS !
I was a small kid when they was used because of the strike and a house burned down just down the road from me. one live was lost they was so slow to arrive. rip to the woman that died I did not know her
I'd love to see a car throttle style "living with a fire engine" video see what it would be like as a daily 🤣
Yessss
What would McDonald's employees be more annoyed with?;
A) Reversing a LHD Mustang through the drive through
B) A fire engine breaking down mid drive through
:)
Some how the Londons burning style music at the start is pretty cool and suits Jupiter as a fire engine. I do remember when the Green Goddess's being used in the early 00's fireman's strike as they were always shown on the news.
It’s nice to see Jupiter without something in front of her...like a tow truck! Well done 👍🚒
"that's the world we live in today" yep. One morning half my street woke up to open car doors and many things got nicked. Including a bucket and a sponge. Who nicks a bloody bucket.
I've had a bucket stolen too, really confused me
Someone who wants to carry a bunch of other things they've nicked, perhaps?
A green goddess drive & review would be great.
An in cab tour and drive of Jupiter would be equally great!
Love the Green Goddess, I have 1 on my model railway layout❤
Damn that intro was Awesome.
Yes would definitely like to see more of the green goddess!
The name green goddes , in 1976 when I was 13 yrs old we had a water shortage , so the only way we could have water was by water bowsers placed on the local streets that got refilled by these Bedford S types . So the fraze was the green goddes has turned up to fill the water bowsers so we had water for our daily needs. That is when I first heard the term green goddes.
Love to see the green goddess again with Jupiter!
Jupiter is so cool! Can't help but smile when I see it! Awesome stuff Lawrie!
When I first started driving for the LFB it was a Dennis and when we got the Saxon volvo it was a great big jump in to the future great bit of kit the Dennis but as a 24 year old not the best to drive back then or the Renault Dodge few near miss due to size
'When it breaks down.' No If, just When.
great video as always Lawrie, in the future would be interesting to Jupiter meet up with a Volvo FL6 based appliance. since I belive these volvo's where the common replacement for Dennis appliances. so it's more like a video highlighting the evolution of UK fire appliances.
Good see Jupiter out and about. Having worked in loco maintenance can understand you having that bit of doubt. Always remember being asked "Is it good to go?". "Ah yeeeah it's good".
It really is!
Bet she enjoyed meeting up with an old friend going over their time of helping save lives
It was great to get her out!
lol reminds me of Buying a 1978 Ford. D180 Ex scaffold lorry. Had to put the pump Governor down to the minimum it smoked like a a Russian Nuclear powers ship. lol With the rubber gearbox. Trying to find gears was a strange funny experience. The power steering was vague. The Brakes truly were EITHER ON OR OFF. .just big toe it. You’d be hitting the widescreen but I loved driving it. Used to go out of my way to drive it. . Never broke down. But everything fell off. The mirrors the steps. The Windscreen wipers. Etc
That sounds quite the experience
Man you almost have to board that thing like a locomotive
I have a particular fondness for those old 1950s military Bedfords. My school bus in Singapore was a similar model that came equipped with its own well armed Malay MP‼️
Looking forward to more on the Green Goddess.
I noticed the thing with the sliding shutters is, at least here in Germany, is the shutters can be ordered lockable, still the fire departments seem to prefer the not locking versions. Maybe it is so you can't arrive at a fire and some guy locked the shutters and you loose valuable time looking for the key...
That does make sense
Indeed, I would enjoy seeing the Green Goddess on the channel, especially being driven. Did you see how many views HubNut's Green Goddess video got? It was hugely popular.
The stylistic differences are pretty apparent as well, the Goddess has almost railway coach-style rounded windows and a lot more curved panelwork, while the Dennis is more utilitarian in outline.
Did Jupiter make it back alright?
This may be my favourite video due to Jupiter and the green goddess
Might be interesting to compare Jupiter to a modern fire engine to see what has changed in the next 30 years.
Two completely different machines simply as they were built as you say for different purposes. The Bedford "Self propelled pump" or now known as Green Goddess, was designed to pump water long distances using 6 inch pipework in the case of Nuclear War. Having pumped water through the 6 inch outlet on the side of the Goddess using flexi pipe, its not the most fun thing to dry off and put away.
The RL was a very basic machine, simply as it was easy to maintain if the country had been bombed, and rugged to get over rubble. There were 4x2 versions of the Bedford RL fire engine made too for the AFS. "The Green Machine" book about the AFS is well worth a read if you are into it (but pricey and rare) for the history. When the AFS disbanded, they went into store and only came out for Firefighter strikes in 1977 and the ones in the 90s/2000s prior to being sold off. That said Suffolk Fire Service borrowed two in the mid 90s for use at field and heath fires due to their ground clearance.
Jupiter on the other hand is a "type B" fire engine which is designed for all domestic fire service needs, the same spec that is used today. New to Norfolk Fire Service, its design meant speed and agility as well as quick response when arriving on scene - neither of which a Goddess can provide :) It has high pressure hosereels, where the Goddess is a mianly low pressure high volume pump.
The term "Red Goddess" was coined in the last countrywide firefighter strike as the Green Goddesses had been sold off and spare normal fire engines were used by the military to provide fire cover.
Remember following Jupiter back from IFF Haverhill to Bentwaters in the car and then getting a drive (pre repaint) along the taxiway, definitely different with the manual box compared to an auto Dennis RS I was used to. The Goddess you have to have a knack with the gearbox and the revs to drive it smoothly!
The big Green fire machine
its really interesting seeing the two design requirements side by side: I mean Jupiter is basically a civil machine, but something for the AFS is more or less going to have to work in the worst of the worst. It's meant to be rugged and able to operate in, well, what could rather comfortably be termed "hell."
Take for example the off-road nature and the ground clearance: I mean in wartime, it's basically a given that your infrastructure is going to be shot apart. arriving offroad might be the only way you get anywhere. and couple that with the need for accessing uncontaminated water supplies (though granted, since by about the mid 50s nobody was stupid enough to use ground bursts, that's easier than youd think...I could ramble here but let me keep it short and simply say that fallout is really only a major concern when you have direct impact explosions) and It's easy to see why the off-road requirement was in place.
Interestingly you still see that out in the Western US a lot, since a lot of areas don't have paved roads. the forest service especially loves offroad vehicles.
EDIT: you can kind of see that with the lockers too. I'd imagine the AFS would have some kind of radiation safety kit, and frankly, they'd just have more stuff anyway, given their required operating environment. you'd need all those separate lockers for everything. Trust me, I've seen USAF radiation safety gear from the same era....it's a lot, and its a mess.
Sounds sweet as a nut to me. But then I'm only 5' into the video 🥴
Dunno whether Green Goddess name comes from, but I think they came to public attention during a long fireman's strike back in the 80's (which as I remember a large majority of the British public was sympathetic towards). This is probably why everyone of a certain generation recognises them.
Would I be right in saying Jupiter had the dreaded DENNIS door disease. The RS and SS were notorious for door rot. Even their successor the Sabre had problems. We called the Sabre the armchair, superb ride and went like a rocket.
I was in the AFS at Uni and you are correct the prime function of the Bedford's was to act as a water relay both for drinking and fire fighting. Our local County Borough had the civilian version Bedford's, so when one of theirs was off the run they "borrowed" ours. The first aid water tank in the Goddess was set quite high and didn't have baffles consequently taking a corner faster than 5-10 mph they would roll over. Birkenhead Borough managed to roll our short wheelbase 4 X4 and our long wheelbase 2 X 4 at least twice.
During one long hot summer appliances from many local authorities on Merseyside were providing mutual aid to Birkenhead to fight extensive grass and woodland fires. After a couple of days of continuous pumping the appliances were breaking down everywhere. The Home Office sent 9 brand new Goddesses from Blackpool airport to assist. They had almost 300 parked up in hangars with less than 100 miles each on the clock.
When the AFS was disbanded most of the Goddesses were flogged off, fully equipped, for......£800 each. I was at at an event at the NEC and they were selling like hot cakes many going to Eastern Europe, Africa and South America. Some municipal brigades were buying them to use as reserve appliances or converting them into specials.
Yellow Goddesses, until more recent times the Republic of Ireland bought mainly second hand UK appliances typically 12-15 years old. They then did on average another 10 years of service. They eventually ended up being painted YELLOW and being passed to their Civil Defence organisation.
I used to work on a green goddess then progressed onto a yellow one then we got a red dodge then a red volvo, I was a volunteer AFS man with Waterford County civil defence AFS from 2000 to 2007
Of course we want to see the green goddess, the sooner the better.
😂got terrified when I saw the notification but was like ah now I get it anyway good video keep up the great work
I'm with matt on this one .....I cant believe its moving under it's own power
The Green goddess would be a interesting one to see 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
We'll make that happen!
I'd love to buy a rough one of them, swap in an n/a 5.9 cummins and use it as an overland rig :D
That would be interesting!
ah yes. The jupiter theme. very cool.
thanks!
Just for the records national service men, fulll time& retained fire men & A,F, S ,did convoy training at Morton in Marsh for Nuke war in the 1950 & early 1960 ,Did mine 1963 ,they were called Green Goddess even in those days ,Malton had one
Oh really?
838 miles!😮
I know this sounds like a silly question, but what's the law in the UK for driving something on the road which still looks recognisable as a modern-ish emergency service vehicle? Is there something you have to remove/disable regarding the blue lights and/or the siren? Must there be a sign somewhere on it saying, "this is not actually an emergency service vehicle" or similar?
She doesn't say anywhere that she is a fire vehicle. The blues and twos have a kill switch installed so they can't be used on the roads.
Yep still thinking of "postman pat" every time i see this vehicle out and about
have you not heard of fireman sam?
@@QALibrary that fire truck going down single lane or narrow roads just looks like a seane out of postman pat.
And no i didnt see fireman sam when watching my kids tv programs with them
It good to see that jupiter is going great and when we saw Green Goddess with jupiter have you think of getting green Goddess to go with jupiter
Really cool video please get the green Goddess in a video.
Watch this space!
@@lmm maybe a drag race with Jupiter haha
That would be interesting. I think Jupes would win
And she sounds amazing! What's the engine?
Perkins V8
PS didn’t the DENNIS have the SEDDON ATKINSON 6 diesel .”like the bin lorry’s.
I'm afraid I don't know
nice drone shots
Glad you liked it
*NICE*
Quick call bbc news jupiter didnt break down SHES ALIVEEEEE
I'm still shocked
@@lmm well luckaly the sparkplugs are still shocking aswell XD
Shame the owner didnt unlock the doors so could see. Hopefull youl be at afew hows next year
4:37 what’s that sound her engines making? Or is it something else?
That was just full throttle for a moment
I knew it was a fire engine by it’s build but I’m more accustomed to the American engines.
More goddess red or green they are all cool
Wonder if any naughty person ever played with the DENNIS logo on the front and maybe changed the D into a sort of P?
There is one still in Service in Uttoxeter
Love the video but i am slightly suspicious that we didn't get to see you successfully arrive back home
Green goddess is old school as basically a regular truck converted to a fire engine unlike Jupiter which specially built for a fire engine
Not just a regular truck, but a 4x4 army truck!
SteamboatWilley Bedford RL chassis
as i said on the teaser .. sorry Lawrie green goddess is far cooler , But nice to see Jupiter going for a trip & returning under her own power with no issues
Brilliant to see Jupiter out and about. You should contact my friend who owns Old Gloster the turntable ladder. To see if you could arrange a visit to it's shed. Here is Gloster's Facebook page facebook.com/LeylandTLM/
Hi Lawrie hopefully you read this Im part of the Norfolk Fire Museum and wondered if it may be possible to sort out meeting up with Your Dennis and our Dennis (A250 NNG) at some point in the future
Would love to. Would be really interested in filming with some of your appliances too.
also if I'm correct The Dennis should have a 13.5M ladder which will slide and lock into place above the Rear Pump Locker and if you need any equipment we may be able to help
@@DBonnick11 yes, it's always had the wrong ladder.
Drop me an email at Lawrie@lawriesmechanicalmarvels.com and let's have a chat!
Is jupiter a 7,5t truck or heavier?
Does the green goddess have portal axles?
Can you do a vidio on geb you international 275 great vis as always keep it up👍👍
Am I the only one who saw that and thought, 'Green Goddess: RHDR'?
You should use London burning theme
Is the older girl a Dennis too?
That's a Bedford Green Goddess
I hear green goddess and think Iron Maiden 🤘
Here's an idea if it keeps braking down why don't u take it to a mechanic and get it sorted properly instead of half assing it
Because if its broken, it doesn't move.
Rather hard to get it somewhere when it's immobile.
@@lmm while it is working drive it to a mechanic then get it sorted or push it of the white cliffs of Dover for all I care
i drove a gg at 30mph,,, it was very scary,,,,
They are rather. Jupes is considerably more pleasant
whats the intro tune?
It's called Jupiter Rises
@@lmm cool. grest video though
Hay lawrie have y’all ever gone down to your local fire station and asked them if they won’t to help you with Jupiter
Suffolk new used Dennis RS's. I have asked 😂
Lawrie's Mechanical Marvels 😁👍
Drivers doors are over rated I like the bus doors one
:)
See you leave the towing eyes on is this because you’re sure it will fail
not quite in time for the wedding tho, ngl
Hi
Hello!
You've seen that green fire engine before?
I have indeed
@@lmm When was that?
@@nicholaspeberdy8537 oh years ago now
@@lmm Golly. Well I have toy fire trucks of 8 different colours.