The remarkable turnaround of form in the last few years between the two dominant Godolphin trainers, Saeed Bin Suroor and Charlie Appleby is bewildering. The sequence of this, as I understand it, emanates from the time Mohammad al Zarooni, who was one of the two Godolphin trainers in the UK, was disqualified from racing when it was discovered horses from his yard were on illegal drugs. His job was then given to Appleby (Zarooni’s assistant). In 2014, John Ferguson, a bloodstock agent and adviser, was given the job of Racing Manager for the Godolphin establishment, ostensibly giving him control for the allocation of incoming thoroughbreds, i.e. which stable gets what he has decreed. Within a short period of time, fortunes started to take an upward turn for the Appleby set up, in very noticeable contrast to the downward spiral Bin Suroor’s stable seemed to experience. For those in the know, this came as no surprise, especially after Bin Suroor publicly complained about the unfair distribution of new horses (especially 2-year-olds) for each of the stables. Appleby was receiving what amounted to the cream of the crop, while Bin Suroor was getting what amounted to the “chaff”. Bin Suroor, who had up until then, enjoyed a great deal of success - he had been champion trainer on four previous occasions - quite rightly felt he was being upstaged and deprived of a fair crack of the whip by the new management headed by Ferguson - whose son, incidentally, was Appleby’s Assistant Trainer. He complained to his employer as well as the press, which as a result caused a great deal of embarrassment to Ferguson. Not very much later, Ferguson resigned from his job claiming his position was untenable. However, the allegation of unfair distribution was seemingly justified. It certainly begs the question: How does a trainer, with absolutely no record, achieve so much in so little time - amongst all the successes he has enjoyed are several Group 1s, a Derby and a Melbourne Cup? While Bin Suroor’s achievements within the same time period, could best be described as mediocre. Given this scenario, I think it would be a fair to assume the allegation of selective distribution was very much what occurred.... or was it just co-incidence that Appleby happened to acquire all the best thoroughbreds, while Bin Suroor got what was left?! Anyone care to comment on the above?
Freeman 106: Maybe? There's got to be more to it than that, I know they got rid of one of their chief advisers who was stupid enough to try and boycott the Galileo stock, as for Appleby having no training experience he's been a assistant to David Loader who was as well as Al Zarooni.
@@nightowl7459 Thanks for the comment. Regards your counter to my claim that Appleby had no experience as a "fully qualified" trainer, I have no argument that he did have some experience with his time with Loder. But my point was... that he was, to put it bluntly, a virtual nobody. And it's from that humble beginning, he was appointed (or to put more accurately, "fell into") a plum job, and from there, lo and behold, he's achieved even more than Bin Suroor, Al Zarooni, David Loder or any other Godolphin trainer amazingly. And now that never-ending run he's enjoying has pretty much established him as their number one trainer, probably explains why he's now more or less continuing to get the cream of the crop. It's fair enough, but I do have an element of suspicion about how it all started and what sort of measures were employed to get there.
@@cfreeman106 I can clearly see your point but many trainers seem to come from nowhere, they all start out as assistants then become trainers, and being a assistant for Al Zarooni also means that he wasn't a complete outsider, I think that they needed a trainers at Moulton fast and he was obviously in the right place at the right time, regardless of him seemingly getting the choice breds he's certainly bringing Godolphin plenty of success, which was more than Zarooni achieved as he was mainly better with horse than had been purchased from other trainers if I'm correct? They don't seem to buy that many horses from other stables these days I've noticed.
@@nightowl7459 Thanks again. I agree with your comment except for what you say about a trainer achieving such remarkable success.... but within such a short space of time? I realise that a lot of trainers were assistant trainers previously (as was Appleby), but I don't think any one of them achieved such a remarkable record in such a short time as did Appleby... and certainly not at the cost of another trainer's loss at what should have been a FAIR share to which he should have been entitled. Anyway, it's now in the past, so good luck to him.
@@cfreeman106 True but the training game isn't fair, look at the success Aidan O'Brien has at the cost of some trainers, Appleby is hardly going to say no thank you if he's offered good horses, it not his fault if there is a alleged biased towards him, I'm sure there's must be more to it if that is actually happening? He only really got sent the better horse when he trained Masar to win the Derby for them, a feat Al Zarooni had been trying for some time with little success, good luck to you too, all the best. 👍
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The remarkable turnaround of form in the last few years between the two dominant Godolphin trainers, Saeed Bin Suroor and Charlie Appleby is bewildering.
The sequence of this, as I understand it, emanates from the time Mohammad al Zarooni, who was one of the two Godolphin trainers in the UK, was disqualified from racing when it was discovered horses from his yard were on illegal drugs.
His job was then given to Appleby (Zarooni’s assistant).
In 2014, John Ferguson, a bloodstock agent and adviser, was given the job of Racing Manager for the Godolphin establishment, ostensibly giving him control for the allocation of incoming thoroughbreds, i.e. which stable gets what he has decreed.
Within a short period of time, fortunes started to take an upward turn for the Appleby set up, in very noticeable contrast to the downward spiral Bin Suroor’s stable seemed to experience.
For those in the know, this came as no surprise, especially after Bin Suroor publicly complained about the unfair distribution of new horses (especially 2-year-olds) for each of the stables. Appleby was receiving what amounted to the cream of the crop, while Bin Suroor was getting what amounted to the “chaff”.
Bin Suroor, who had up until then, enjoyed a great deal of success - he had been champion trainer on four previous occasions - quite rightly felt he was being upstaged and deprived of a fair crack of the whip by the new management headed by Ferguson - whose son, incidentally, was Appleby’s Assistant Trainer.
He complained to his employer as well as the press, which as a result caused a great deal of embarrassment to Ferguson. Not very much later, Ferguson resigned from his job claiming his position was untenable.
However, the allegation of unfair distribution was seemingly justified. It certainly begs the question: How does a trainer, with absolutely no record, achieve so much in so little time - amongst all the successes he has enjoyed are several Group 1s, a Derby and a Melbourne Cup? While Bin Suroor’s achievements within the same time period, could best be described as mediocre.
Given this scenario, I think it would be a fair to assume the allegation of selective distribution was very much what occurred.... or was it just co-incidence that Appleby happened to acquire all the best thoroughbreds, while Bin Suroor got what was left?!
Anyone care to comment on the above?
Freeman 106: Maybe? There's got to be more to it than that, I know they got rid of one of their chief advisers who was stupid enough to try and boycott the Galileo stock, as for Appleby having no training experience he's been a assistant to David Loader who was as well as Al Zarooni.
@@nightowl7459 Thanks for the comment. Regards your counter to my claim that Appleby had no experience as a "fully qualified" trainer, I have no argument that he did have some experience with his time with Loder. But my point was... that he was, to put it bluntly, a virtual nobody. And it's from that humble beginning, he was appointed (or to put more accurately, "fell into") a plum job, and from there, lo and behold, he's achieved even more than Bin Suroor, Al Zarooni, David Loder or any other Godolphin trainer amazingly. And now that never-ending run he's enjoying has pretty much established him as their number one trainer, probably explains why he's now more or less continuing to get the cream of the crop. It's fair enough, but I do have an element of suspicion about how it all started and what sort of measures were employed to get there.
@@cfreeman106 I can clearly see your point but many trainers seem to come from nowhere, they all start out as assistants then become trainers, and being a assistant for Al Zarooni also means that he wasn't a complete outsider, I think that they needed a trainers at Moulton fast and he was obviously in the right place at the right time, regardless of him seemingly getting the choice breds he's certainly bringing Godolphin plenty of success, which was more than Zarooni achieved as he was mainly better with horse than had been purchased from other trainers if I'm correct? They don't seem to buy that many horses from other stables these days I've noticed.
@@nightowl7459 Thanks again. I agree with your comment except for what you say about a trainer achieving such remarkable success.... but within such a short space of time? I realise that a lot of trainers were assistant trainers previously (as was Appleby), but I don't think any one of them achieved such a remarkable record in such a short time as did Appleby... and certainly not at the cost of another trainer's loss at what should have been a FAIR share to which he should have been entitled. Anyway, it's now in the past, so good luck to him.
@@cfreeman106 True but the training game isn't fair, look at the success Aidan O'Brien has at the cost of some trainers, Appleby is hardly going to say no thank you if he's offered good horses, it not his fault if there is a alleged biased towards him, I'm sure there's must be more to it if that is actually happening? He only really got sent the better horse when he trained Masar to win the Derby for them, a feat Al Zarooni had been trying for some time with little success, good luck to you too, all the best. 👍
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