I immediately hit pause after lead in, loaded up on snacks,pillows and flipped out the recliner for the finest in Friday entertainment. Not disappointed! Excellent story again.
lol that's how i feel too haha I wait eagerly for the next video, get my snacks, coffee and tune in ! Woohoo This is the only channel im subscribed too that i actually watched all the videos too and can't wait for the next !
While they were building the Explorer, the Sunday paper ran an eight-page color pullout section explaining the whole operation, from the formation of manganese nodules to the huge vacuum cleaner that would suck them off the bottom. Sounded like a good idea to me.
I love this channel. I dont love the tragedies, per se, nor the sadness the families have to endure after losing loved ones so suddenly, but the events are told so thoroughly and comprehensively, the graphics and pics used as references are so easy to understand, it's just, well, perfect. I love this channel, man. Plain as that.
@@micturatedupon We once had an open world wide web and a lot was exposed over it. Most is still available on the wayback machine to this day. This is a very good, well made video. We have to remember that now as well as back then there are those who hide the truth and replace with bs. Very close video to what really happened.
Raised in Southern Ontario, on the shore of Lake Huron. I find your videos educating and entertaining while remaining sensitive and respectful to tragedy/loss. Thank you!
It's entirely possible the information that the claw broke and the loss of most of the sub is untrue. Why would the United States admit to that since the dang mission was super secret.....to this day.
I was familiar with this story, but you filled in several details of the Russian surveillance and of the technical issues with the "claw" that I was not aware of. Nice work, liking your channel a lot!
You missed an excellent detail man!!! This affair is the origin of the ‘glomar response’ - “we can neither confirm nor deny XYZ”, given by the CIA to the La times when they came asking questions
This was a funny episode. when CIA deems projects as "failed" it usually ends up with dead assets or insane assets. don your new shoes - tie loose ends and walk off with success hence: The wreck probably is not anywhere near that area now.
@@waterlinestories Same. It was commented in several sources about "Project Azorian" that the story of the broken-off section might be a double cover-up.
I think they smelled a rat but had no clue what kind of rat it is. Would be fun if they actually hooked on manganese mining too and the second visit was more of an industrial espionage. They measured the damn ship😀
Boy this brings back memories, I was the junior R/O On the Bel Hudson, GYVC, Captain Gerry Kading, The. Casualty was our catering officer, Led Burke. We thought he was having a heart attack..First ship, great days.
The Glomar Explorer was anchored in Suisun Bay below the 580 Martinez-Benicia bridge for many years before refitted for deep sea mining operations before being scrapped. It was a “sight to see” for anyone who knows the history of the ship.
It is a bit odd to me that you would choose a Typhoon (the biggest submarine ever made) to represent a Golf-II (which has 7% of the displacement of a Typhoon), as it is such a distinctive design.
Nice! In the early 2000s I was in a band that played "punk surf sci-fi spy rock" lol called The Unidentified and one of our songs was about this incident (song was called The Glomar Express for some reason)
There was a companion program to the Glomar Explorer. It has never been disclosed. It is possible that this activity recovered what was lost in the claw lift.
The majority of the Golf sub broke off and sunk. Yet, if you survey that part of the northern Pacific, you wont find any remaining sections of that Soviet ballistic missile submarine.... And neither the Soviets, nor anyone else, save the US, had the technology to retrieve it. The CIA has a history of portraying themselves as unlucky and perhaps even bumbling incthese endeavors. Yet, they won the Cold War. And noone , outside of the agency, and certain contractors, knows whether that Soviet missile sub really broke or not. If it didn't, yet the Soviets, as well as the press, and American society thinks it did, that would almost be as good as noone knowing we were even there....
Still one of the most fascinating stories I ever heard. And one I couldn’t believe when I first read about it! And I had no idea the Soviets were that close and still decided not to intervene 😳! Thx
"We tried to steal your secrets...but we failed." **cough** "Yes...hm...definitely failed. Your secrets are absolutely still secret. No need to change anything." **cough cough**
THE wildest story of the Cold War by a long shot... and there are dozens of unbelievable stories! When I heard this story for the first time, I double checked for quite a while before accepting it as truth. Just bonkers!
TBH, I remember glomar explorer and could not work out how that claw and the big well in the deck would be used to help harvest mineral nodules off the sea bed. What did I know about it? I had read an article in my big brother's Look and Learn magazine😄😄😄😄
Regarding triangulation: Your explanation and diagrams (Eg: 3:10) is not how triangulation works. The reception stations do not take bearings on each other and draw lines between the reception stations. Two or more reception stations take bearings on the source of a signal (acoustic, radio frequency, light, whatever...) and draw a line from themselves on that bearing. Where the bearing lines from the reception stations meet is the location of the signal source. Depending on the geometry of the situation three or more reception stations may be required.
So the Soviet Union did not have a diver who cpuld operate a camera? The sound signature of the Glomar operation must have been as unique as The Nutracker Suite.
The transcript states that in July/Aug 1974 British merchant ship "Bell Hudson" arrives on the scene. That seems very suspicious as the Soviets arrive not long after. I've searched the internet but can find no reference to a vessel names Bell Hudson? Is that the correct name?
I am doubled-over by all the chumps believing (The C-I- freakin’ A) story that we failed to grab the sub! 🤣🤣🤣 Stop! You believed who??!! Oh that’s rich! Stop! My sides hurt!
The fact that they 'lost' everything worth saving is a bit of a joke to me. Sure, sure, it 'can' happen... please, as much as we are all fools, stop this thing
Anyone else think that it would been a bit of a waste I mean it was raised nearly a decade later how much intel could be gained from the portion they raised and what if any tech or intelligence did they gather ? If it was like a couple of years later and you salvaged some key components and back engineered it and implemented some new advancements on US subs it would ultimately pay off but this was way off
It's not stealing in the conventional sense. It was the time of real James Bond stuff. This was the Cold War, the USSR spied of everything they possibly could. They had people raised in imitation USA camps, watching baseball games and speaking with the regional US accent of wherever they were to be placed. We couldn't equal that level of espionage, but we did pull off the Glomar Explorer caper. The espionage on both ends served a purpose to some extent; it damped down the hardest fears that the other side was about to do X, any day now. But we didn't know until after the Cold War that the USSR did have occupation plans for Western Europe; they even had new road signs in Russian for the cities they expected to take over. As it happened, Bond won and SMERSH lost.
It's hilarious to me that America built a giant claw game and stole a submarine.
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@@SerenDipInT oooooooooh!
We have fun over here.
Tax money claw game.
I immediately hit pause after lead in, loaded up on snacks,pillows and flipped out the recliner for the finest in Friday entertainment. Not disappointed! Excellent story again.
Duuuuude!! I paused too! I love this story and any retelling!😂
just a quickie hey? I have the same fridays
🤣 thanks. Have a good weekend
lol that's how i feel too haha I wait eagerly for the next video, get my snacks, coffee and tune in ! Woohoo This is the only channel im subscribed too that i actually watched all the videos too and can't wait for the next !
It's just a 25-minute video. I like the videos too, but you did all that's for a 25-minute story. It's kind of weird.
While they were building the Explorer, the Sunday paper ran an eight-page color pullout section explaining the whole operation, from the formation of manganese nodules to the huge vacuum cleaner that would suck them off the bottom. Sounded like a good idea to me.
"where did my nuclear armed missiles go" me with my suspiciously nuclear missile shaped belly:
I love this channel. I dont love the tragedies, per se, nor the sadness the families have to endure after losing loved ones so suddenly, but the events are told so thoroughly and comprehensively, the graphics and pics used as references are so easy to understand, it's just, well, perfect. I love this channel, man. Plain as that.
Thanks, I really appreciate that 😀
This is proper James Bond stuff
All the best to everyone
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James bond is a fake story about a British government spy and murderer
This is the American CIA
Not the same.
I’m glad that you covered how the operation dealt with the submariners who died at the scene. Thank you and the rest of it was fantastic as well.
This is the type of channel that deserves millions of views and subs. Not all the nonsense circus clown stuff
😀👍🏻 thanks
Well in the case of this video, they got half of a sub 🙃
@@micturatedupon We once had an open world wide web and a lot was exposed over it. Most is still available on the wayback machine to this day. This is a very good, well made video. We have to remember that now as well as back then there are those who hide the truth and replace with bs. Very close video to what really happened.
*_When Howard Hughes helped Heist a Soviet sub..._*
*_...part of one at least!_*
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The most Important Part!! 😉
Raised in Southern Ontario, on the shore of Lake Huron. I find your videos educating and entertaining while remaining sensitive and respectful to tragedy/loss. Thank you!
As soon as saw the title I thought Project Azorian on here? It’s a Christmas miracle.
Haha, almost like my first thought!
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Thats funny, I too store all of my top secret junk in a compartment named "Jennifer" 😮
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Does Jennifer divorce you if she reads this comment? 😂
Always a great day when Waterline Stories drops a new video!
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This needs to be a movie
It is, "Project Azorian"
@ that looks more like a documentary then a movie per say.
@@gordybishop2375 no it doesn't
@@methamphetamememcmeth3422 have link to movie?
The book project azurian is really good I recommend it
It's snowing in Kashmir. I'm gonna get cozy, load up the fire pot, get some tea and watch this.
The absolute best channel on you tube thankyou very much Happy New Year.
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The Glomar Explorer sat in the Reserve Fleet in Susuin Bay San Francisco for decades until eventually bought and turned into an oil drill ship.
It's entirely possible the information that the claw broke and the loss of most of the sub is untrue. Why would the United States admit to that since the dang mission was super secret.....to this day.
So true
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Absolutely. The idea that the cia would tell us the truth about this mission is ridiculous
The best most detailed telling of this cold war event. Bravo.
Caught a fresh upload and im stoked. Thanks for the content!
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Thanks great video ! The operation was like something out of James Bond !
Great! THIS is my Christmas present 😊 Thank you WS ❤
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I was familiar with this story, but you filled in several details of the Russian surveillance and of the technical issues with the "claw" that I was not aware of. Nice work, liking your channel a lot!
You missed an excellent detail man!!! This affair is the origin of the ‘glomar response’ - “we can neither confirm nor deny XYZ”, given by the CIA to the La times when they came asking questions
This was a funny episode.
when CIA deems projects as "failed" it usually ends up with dead assets or insane assets.
don your new shoes - tie loose ends and walk off with success
hence: The wreck probably is not anywhere near that area now.
Yep I’m sure there’s more to it than the official story
@@waterlinestories Same. It was commented in several sources about "Project Azorian" that the story of the broken-off section might be a double cover-up.
Never a dull episode on Waterlines channel.
Thanks 👍🏻 hope all is well with you. Happy holidays.
@waterlinestories and to you and yours. 🎄
Incredible, I wonder if the Soviets really knew what was going on. Great video, happy new year.
They didn't know.
I think they smelled a rat but had no clue what kind of rat it is.
Would be fun if they actually hooked on manganese mining too and the second visit was more of an industrial espionage. They measured the damn ship😀
The book “Blind Man’s Bluff” (Sontag) covers this in detail as well.
Yeah, it's a great read about Cold War USN submarine espionage and some crazy close calls.
Had a huge nostalgia flashback upon hearing the Spruce Goose. Thanks, Yogi. lol
And glad to know they did hold service for the men they recovered.
As a kid I read an illustrated book on "The World of Tomorrow" - it explicitly shows this manganese mining boondoggle "mission" !
(over your right shoulder, above the lamp) After a year with this channel why do I still try to wipe that #$@& wire clip off my screen every week 😂😂
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Boy this brings back memories, I was the junior R/O On the Bel Hudson, GYVC, Captain Gerry Kading, The. Casualty was our catering officer, Led Burke. We thought he was having a heart attack..First ship, great days.
My absolute favourite CIA shenanigan. Just the scale of it, AND Howard Hughes? Come on! 😂
It must have been totally nerve wracking with those Soviet ships so close.
Interesting we getting into military vessels now, keep it up!
Wow, what a fantastic story to tell. Thanks, Paul & Happy New Year 🍾🎉
Thanks Beverly. Jerky new year to you too
“Yoink” - The CIA
The Glomar Explorer was anchored in Suisun Bay below the 580 Martinez-Benicia bridge for many years before refitted for deep sea mining operations before being scrapped.
It was a “sight to see” for anyone who knows the history of the ship.
this one took a long time, but it finally came!
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It is a bit odd to me that you would choose a Typhoon (the biggest submarine ever made) to represent a Golf-II (which has 7% of the displacement of a Typhoon), as it is such a distinctive design.
I agree, very inaccurate
Esecially because in the early parts of the video it shows a Los Angeles class @07:44
Nice alliteration
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Nice! In the early 2000s I was in a band that played "punk surf sci-fi spy rock" lol called The Unidentified and one of our songs was about this incident (song was called The Glomar Express for some reason)
There was a companion program to the Glomar Explorer. It has never been disclosed. It is possible that this activity recovered what was lost in the claw lift.
There is a lot of obfuscation including the theory that the "loss" is entirely fabricated
As usual a really interesting informative video many thanks have a happy new year.
Thanks. Happy new year to you too. 👍🏻
Fascinating video, never heard of this case. Very clearly presented.
Enjoyed telling this story years ago to my crew when we were working next to her after being refitted for actual drilling off the Gulf Coast.
The majority of the Golf sub broke off and sunk. Yet, if you survey that part of the northern Pacific, you wont find any remaining sections of that Soviet ballistic missile submarine.... And neither the Soviets, nor anyone else, save the US, had the technology to retrieve it. The CIA has a history of portraying themselves as unlucky and perhaps even bumbling incthese endeavors. Yet, they won the Cold War. And noone , outside of the agency, and certain contractors, knows whether that Soviet missile sub really broke or not. If it didn't, yet the Soviets, as well as the press, and American society thinks it did, that would almost be as good as noone knowing we were even there....
Good point
This
Unfortunately the Soviets penetrated American CIA and would know if this is true.
This is like Oceans 11 but in the actual ocean
This story seriously needs to be made into a movie.
Happy New Year mate.🍻
Hopefully more success for the channel in '25 than '24.🤞🏻
😀 thanks 🍻
They most definitely recovered the entire thing
This episode would make a great movie!! Nail biting!!😀
Good review. Just subscribed. Thanks
I love your videos !
Thanks, I really appreciate that 👍🏻🤣
I really enjoy your videos. I hope you get paid per views because I listen to them all night and thats 8 hours of view time every day. Cheers!
🤣 thanks 🍻
Awesome episode! One of your best😊
Glad you enjoyed it
Still one of the most fascinating stories I ever heard. And one I couldn’t believe when I first read about it! And I had no idea the Soviets were that close and still decided not to intervene 😳! Thx
"We tried to steal your secrets...but we failed."
**cough**
"Yes...hm...definitely failed. Your secrets are absolutely still secret. No need to change anything."
**cough cough**
Phenomenal job on analysis
Great Video👍👍 Ich wünsche Dir einen guten Rutsch und ein frohes Neues Jahr👍 🎊
This is an incredible story.
THE wildest story of the Cold War by a long shot... and there are dozens of unbelievable stories!
When I heard this story for the first time, I double checked for quite a while before accepting it as truth.
Just bonkers!
Love your videos. Can you do one on the SS Pendleton?
Thanks, I’ll check it out
TBH, I remember glomar explorer and could not work out how that claw and the big well in the deck would be used to help harvest mineral nodules off the sea bed. What did I know about it? I had read an article in my big brother's Look and Learn magazine😄😄😄😄
Bravo, great video.
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Looked up her history. Shows she made it until 2015, when she was scrapped. Although she had been heavily modified before that.
Thank you 🎉
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6:00 to 7:00 and then Congress people invested in ship builder stocks
Regarding triangulation: Your explanation and diagrams (Eg: 3:10) is not how triangulation works. The reception stations do not take bearings on each other and draw lines between the reception stations. Two or more reception stations take bearings on the source of a signal (acoustic, radio frequency, light, whatever...) and draw a line from themselves on that bearing. Where the bearing lines from the reception stations meet is the location of the signal source. Depending on the geometry of the situation three or more reception stations may be required.
This assumes that bearing information is available; you might be drawing arcs because all you have is distance, no?
Thanks for telling this incredible story! How'd u keep it under 30 mins?
By leaving out tons of good information
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@@cruisinguy6024 no kidding. I wouldn't say no to a part 2.
Wake up, babe. New Waterline just dropped and it includes a submarine!
🤣 Hope you enjoyed
You cannot make this up. I read about project Azorian some years back and this narration is way better.
So the Soviet Union did not have a diver who cpuld operate a camera? The sound signature of the Glomar operation must have been as unique as The Nutracker Suite.
Great video I had to click on it I just recently read the book" all hands down"
It's a great 10-hour read on k-129
4:30 Handcuff briefcase?
Its a Gru move
Thought it was project JENNIFER. !!!
The transcript states that in July/Aug 1974 British merchant ship "Bell Hudson" arrives on the scene.
That seems very suspicious as the Soviets arrive not long after.
I've searched the internet but can find no reference to a vessel names Bell Hudson? Is that the correct name?
I am doubled-over by all the chumps believing (The C-I- freakin’ A) story that we failed to grab the sub! 🤣🤣🤣 Stop! You believed who??!! Oh that’s rich! Stop! My sides hurt!
that's a Virginia class: an American sub
Looks expensive...
86..70...72..3...Howard ewss...LAMAASSOFF😂
Why after secret was blown Didn't they go to the Atlantic and lift and recover the Scorpion then we would have a better idea what sunk it.
Abyss is a fantastic movie. U should do a video About it
The model is a typhoon !
See Red Star Rogue by Richmond and Sewell.
God I hate reporters and “news”
God doesn't exist.
Yes! 👏
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The fact that they 'lost' everything worth saving is a bit of a joke to me. Sure, sure, it 'can' happen... please, as much as we are all fools, stop this thing
Well maybe they did get it and just said that to throw the Russians off
I’m sure the Soviets later went to the spot to check out what was left or not. They are evidently not talking either.
BC IM 79.
Way to go L.A. Times. Another disappointment brought to us by mainstream journalism.
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WHEN ITS GOT YA.
ITS GOT YA.
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Anyone else think that it would been a bit of a waste I mean it was raised nearly a decade later how much intel could be gained from the portion they raised and what if any tech or intelligence did they gather ? If it was like a couple of years later and you salvaged some key components and back engineered it and implemented some new advancements on US subs it would ultimately pay off but this was way off
Imagine how much bitching, moaning and complaining america would have done if it had been the Russians stealing a sunken american submarine.
It's not stealing in the conventional sense. It was the time of real James Bond stuff.
This was the Cold War, the USSR spied of everything they possibly could. They had people raised in imitation USA camps, watching baseball games and speaking with the regional US accent of wherever they were to be placed. We couldn't equal that level of espionage, but we did pull off the Glomar Explorer caper.
The espionage on both ends served a purpose to some extent; it damped down the hardest fears that the other side was about to do X, any day now. But we didn't know until after the Cold War that the USSR did have occupation plans for Western Europe; they even had new road signs in Russian for the cities they expected to take over.
As it happened, Bond won and SMERSH lost.
There probably was plenty of that but it was in Russian so… we wouldn’t know 😅