I was drawn into software engineering 5 years ago after finding out I could turn crazy ideas into real applications using open source resources most of the time. Today, it bores the **** out of me to just sit in front of a computer all day long without talking to other people and only inputing code into a database of a project I don't care enough. I'd like to contribute with team processes, product and project management more often but all the management cares is how fast I can deliver a Jira task and start working on a new one. Switching companies and trying to find the right one is always a possibility but what I've seen from the market recently is no different from what I've been doing and I'd still have to go through all the Leetcode grind anyway. I've been considering starting a non tech related business doing something I enjoy (and I enjoy lots os other things other than coding btw) but your video inspired me to explore other paths within the tech industry. Thanks for that!
Yikes... Okay, here's the thing... coding is a huge part of creating a product... but it has NOTHING to do with making a product SUCCESSFUL. To make a successful product AT MINIMUM you need good marketing. This means having capital to afford advertising (both creation and distribution of the ads). I was once equally naïve to this, and I though "If I build it, they will come" but that 100% isn't how the world works even remotely. How the world works is: a person like bill gates buys the rights to use your operating system for almost nothing, or they just outright steal it. Smart people that are creatives that have the ability to make ANYTHING, are not the ones that actually make money. What will happen is FAR BEFORE you are profitable (1-2 years on average, if you're lucky) if you actually have something good, someone else who is an established name that has a marketing budget is going to rip you off, and there isn't going to be anything at all you can do about it. Remember Minecraft and how that sold for billions? Guess who STOLE IT OUTRIGHT - idea, textures, and all... Ever hear of "infiniminer"? No, because they quit after people kept stealing the source code and making their own clones of the game. When notch first made a video on youtube about 'cave game' (as it was first called) he said in the description that it was an infiniminer clone... and history is LITTERED with such cases... it is not the exception, but the rule. Here's a video on the subject that puts it better than I can: ruclips.net/video/Fyb7vj4LGXk/видео.html So what do you do? Well, be uncreative and be a business man... get investors, hire talent, and THEN steal existing ideas and compete with competitors for their customers... that's how the world works, and it's a terrible truth. To say to anyone that has a job: Just give up and make your own thing... you're setting them up for failure if they can't financially afford to do that... and if you can afford to do that financially---- you didn't need the job you're working to begin with... just the act of owning property pays way more than what you could make selling your hourly rate... in short: yikes...
Valid points. Thanks for the additional context. But let's not get disheartened before we've left the starting gate just because someone said it's going to be hard. I haven't yet found success, but I get inspiration from people who have. There are many examples. I'll follow their direction and document my findings on this channel.
Been recently following your video - really took lot of things from this video. very useful. When I started out, I cant build a software of my own, run on internet with server, don't have much tooling available. Working in a company makes lot of sense. Now we can do all of tat ourselves. But I haven't built any product, why? I got into the comfort of monthly payment. It certainly rewires my brain. I don't have to quit. But at least I can build products and fail .fail again and build again. iterate and grow!! It Enlighted me! Thanks Tom! Wishing you good luck with your product.
This is a quite irresponsible thing to advice. I have 12 years of experience, and in that time I've founded 4 startups and worked for international companies, and it's painful to me see people over and over again ignoring the 90% of business that fail, and thinking they can do better. I mean it's not 100% impossible, but always prepare for the worst possible outcome. If you pay attention to actual business people, they are ALLERGIC to risk. Any money they spend they are 99% sure they are gonna multiply it. On the other side we entrepreneurs are expected to assume a 90% chance of losing everything we own, without barely any resource or contingency. It's ok if you want to throw your life away, but it's important to be aware you are doing it. Because if you don't, you are gonna be in big trouble.
think a persons first business should be a service business in which they try to get clients on a monthly retainer. This way the costs are low and they can avoid getting into debt to start a business. I think its a bad idea for person to try and create a new product then try to sell if they dont have deep pockets.
Tom, this is exactly the same that I am going right now! The main reason (the same!) no say in that products we made. Some people just don't want to keep up the times. I think you future will be a lot better very soon.
I've been employed for about 13 years as a software engineer too and I think I've had enough of it too. I like coding, just don't like coding for someone else in projects I don't always care about.
the ideal is to be a developer in order to develop, not be a developer in order to receive a paycheck... That being said, those dev jobs are not a bad way to go. Not everyone can be a CEO
I enjoy coding at a day job but would prefer 100% freedom for my schedule. I have been freelancing, and now building products with small teams on the side. When I can make enough from what I am building, I want to spend all my time on projects I influence heavily and where I benefit from profits.
liked the video :) Looking forward to updates :) Also do you have any tips on how to find your dev idea ? Im thinking doing few small ones till finding success with one & expanding it
The REAL Reason I Quit Coding Jobs Forever = Indie hacking. Great job! Would love to get there too, but I'm currently still in my early stages, trying to get my first job.
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I was drawn into software engineering 5 years ago after finding out I could turn crazy ideas into real applications using open source resources most of the time.
Today, it bores the **** out of me to just sit in front of a computer all day long without talking to other people and only inputing code into a database of a project I don't care enough. I'd like to contribute with team processes, product and project management more often but all the management cares is how fast I can deliver a Jira task and start working on a new one.
Switching companies and trying to find the right one is always a possibility but what I've seen from the market recently is no different from what I've been doing and I'd still have to go through all the Leetcode grind anyway.
I've been considering starting a non tech related business doing something I enjoy (and I enjoy lots os other things other than coding btw) but your video inspired me to explore other paths within the tech industry. Thanks for that!
That's great to hear. Good luck.
Yikes...
Okay, here's the thing... coding is a huge part of creating a product... but it has NOTHING to do with making a product SUCCESSFUL.
To make a successful product AT MINIMUM you need good marketing. This means having capital to afford advertising (both creation and distribution of the ads).
I was once equally naïve to this, and I though "If I build it, they will come" but that 100% isn't how the world works even remotely.
How the world works is: a person like bill gates buys the rights to use your operating system for almost nothing, or they just outright steal it. Smart people that are creatives that have the ability to make ANYTHING, are not the ones that actually make money. What will happen is FAR BEFORE you are profitable (1-2 years on average, if you're lucky) if you actually have something good, someone else who is an established name that has a marketing budget is going to rip you off, and there isn't going to be anything at all you can do about it. Remember Minecraft and how that sold for billions? Guess who STOLE IT OUTRIGHT - idea, textures, and all... Ever hear of "infiniminer"? No, because they quit after people kept stealing the source code and making their own clones of the game. When notch first made a video on youtube about 'cave game' (as it was first called) he said in the description that it was an infiniminer clone... and history is LITTERED with such cases... it is not the exception, but the rule.
Here's a video on the subject that puts it better than I can: ruclips.net/video/Fyb7vj4LGXk/видео.html
So what do you do? Well, be uncreative and be a business man... get investors, hire talent, and THEN steal existing ideas and compete with competitors for their customers... that's how the world works, and it's a terrible truth.
To say to anyone that has a job: Just give up and make your own thing... you're setting them up for failure if they can't financially afford to do that... and if you can afford to do that financially---- you didn't need the job you're working to begin with... just the act of owning property pays way more than what you could make selling your hourly rate...
in short: yikes...
Valid points. Thanks for the additional context. But let's not get disheartened before we've left the starting gate just because someone said it's going to be hard.
I haven't yet found success, but I get inspiration from people who have. There are many examples. I'll follow their direction and document my findings on this channel.
Been recently following your video - really took lot of things from this video. very useful. When I started out, I cant build a software of my own, run on internet with server, don't have much tooling available. Working in a company makes lot of sense. Now we can do all of tat ourselves. But I haven't built any product, why? I got into the comfort of monthly payment. It certainly rewires my brain. I don't have to quit. But at least I can build products and fail .fail again and build again. iterate and grow!! It Enlighted me! Thanks Tom! Wishing you good luck with your product.
Awesome. Glad it helped!
This is a quite irresponsible thing to advice. I have 12 years of experience, and in that time I've founded 4 startups and worked for international companies, and it's painful to me see people over and over again ignoring the 90% of business that fail, and thinking they can do better. I mean it's not 100% impossible, but always prepare for the worst possible outcome. If you pay attention to actual business people, they are ALLERGIC to risk. Any money they spend they are 99% sure they are gonna multiply it. On the other side we entrepreneurs are expected to assume a 90% chance of losing everything we own, without barely any resource or contingency. It's ok if you want to throw your life away, but it's important to be aware you are doing it. Because if you don't, you are gonna be in big trouble.
Business people allergic to risk? First time i ever heard that.
think a persons first business should be a service business in which they try to get clients on a monthly retainer. This way the costs are low and they can avoid getting into debt to start a business. I think its a bad idea for person to try and create a new product then try to sell if they dont have deep pockets.
Tom, this is exactly the same that I am going right now! The main reason (the same!) no say in that products we made. Some people just don't want to keep up the times. I think you future will be a lot better very soon.
That's awesome! Glad it made sense to you and good luck.
I've been employed for about 13 years as a software engineer too and I think I've had enough of it too. I like coding, just don't like coding for someone else in projects I don't always care about.
Exactly. Developers have many of the skills needed to build their own projects they really DO care about.
the ideal is to be a developer in order to develop, not be a developer in order to receive a paycheck... That being said, those dev jobs are not a bad way to go. Not everyone can be a CEO
I enjoy coding at a day job but would prefer 100% freedom for my schedule. I have been freelancing, and now building products with small teams on the side. When I can make enough from what I am building, I want to spend all my time on projects I influence heavily and where I benefit from profits.
Yeah, coding in a job can still be pretty rewarding. Good to hear you have an exit strategy.
I would not quit my job.
Why not do both?
liked the video :) Looking forward to updates :)
Also do you have any tips on how to find your dev idea ?
Im thinking doing few small ones till finding success with one & expanding it
Quote from Noah Kagan I just heard: "the crucial first step toward entrepreneurship is to study your own unhapiness and to think of solutions".
The REAL Reason I Quit Coding Jobs Forever = Indie hacking.
Great job! Would love to get there too, but I'm currently still in my early stages, trying to get my first job.
That's the phrase I was looking for! Good luck.
Can you please share your setup details please
Thanks
Setup details of what?
Your laptop and mic specifically
Thanks
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