Yeah same thing here my 19 just crossed 60 K and the transmission is shot looked into that turns out there’s a class action lawsuit for the transmission as well fuck me if you can’t trust a Silverado anymore it’s all over
What I hate is their service,,,,,,I listed my cars but I also own a bought new 2022 Toyota Corolla SE as my daily to protect my baby’s by putting miles on them,,,but Toyotas service is so much better,,,I don’t get nervous and upset when I have to take it in for service 😂 with chevy I get a stomach ache and my palms get sweaty cause I know I’m gonna lose it!
Yes had my first and last GM 13’ Tahoe great vehicle 160k. Can’t can’t buy another. GM seems to be really going down hill won’t take the chance on another one . Toyota gets my next purchase
I love GM, that’s all my father and I have ever owned in terms of trucks. But in my opinion they have too many MBA-types running the company, they just flat out do not focus on bringing the best possible product to market.
gm saw Ford didnt fail in 2008 and thought hmm i too could vetray my customer's trust in brand name in ordee to make short term profits and award bonuses to execs...
This class action suit should be opened up to EVERY GM product with this junk AFM installed. All one has to do is surf the internet for information regarding the MASSIVE engine failures in GM vehicle with the AFM system! There are SO many people who have had to come out of pocket to either rebuild their engines or replace them due to this junk system! I think GM should have to reimburse every one and offer to perform the AFM delete mod to this motor in ANY vehicle that has it!!
@@ChopsMahone your exactly right it's actually your local EPA fault and gm not wanting to discontinue the tried and true pushrod v8 trust me if the EPA wasn't around we'd have 5.3 v8s rolling around with no AFM
GM needs to make it right, but thanks for being smart and pointing out how class actions work. Attorneys will make millions and including GM's Defense attorneys, real plaintiffs will get peanuts. It's sickening
So why make the video? You are the same folks that will go out and promote a Hyundai, KIA, or Genesis product despite their class action lawsuit. A bunch of clowns 🤡
Remember gm’s fuel tank class action settlements ? They gave you a $1000 voucher towards the purchase of a new vehicle 😂 Gm’s an American embarrassment.
It is just insane to me that gm is still having this issue! I bought a 2007 suburban in January of 2020 with 120k miles. In June of 2020 an AFM lifter collapsed so I tore down the engine and rebuilt it myself (keeping the afm system because I didn't want to replace the cam and get a tune). I removed both heads and replaced all 16 lifters. The head gaskets were not matching so I assume that the truck had already had this issue before my ownership. In September 0f 2020, almost exactly 5000 miles later and 3 days after an oil change, another damn lifter collapsed! I bought a 2020 Toyota tundra out of frustration because those things are supposed to be bulletproof. My plan was to fix my suburban and sell it. I removed the engine, fully cleaned the internals and externals, upgraded the oil pump, and replaced all the bearings, rings, and seals you can think of. I put a BTR cam in it and LS7 style lifters to fully delete the afm system. I ended up keeping it because I think it's pretty cool to drive something I built and it has been reliable for the last 15k miles. So my question to GM is: why can I, a 22 year old who learned everything he knows on RUclips, build a more reliable 5.3 than one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world?
@@braedenboss5636 because it's subjected to past the smog tests for the year that vehicle was manufactured. Newer vehicles have way stricter emissions standards
@@brianb1588 I’d heard this too that GM and Ford co developed the 8 speed. Lifelong Chevy man, but honestly was hoping this would have been good news when I heard it. I guess not 🙄
Yep may as well call all GMs defect don’t forget about their vacuum booster pumps that create hard pedal aka no brakes. Got told by the dealership burning a quart of oil every 800 miles is normal guess we will be going to an abnormal Toyota.
Dynamic fuel management didn't start full production until late 2020. Also, it doesn't matter if you disable the AFM/DFM systemS the parts are still moving and can till fail. I have replaced lifters and pushrods on 2021 5.3L with the system disabled from the factory(RPO YK9) due to lack of microprocessor. Just finished a lifter job today on a 2021 Silverado RST. We disassembled a new and old lifter and the new lifters have different locks and a heavier spring. Not sure about the USA but here in Canada we have a bulletin out right now to replace ALL lifters on BOTH banks if even just one lifter fails.
I was told by a GM tech that a disabler that you plug into the OBD 2 port (I use one on my V6 Blazer) does help (he has seen them help first hand) the lifters last longer, but you are right they can still eventually fail at some point since they’re still in the engine.
Great Video!!! Love the channel!!! I too have a 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4, 2017 ZL1 and a 2009 ZR1. Over the weekend the GMC Sierra started to tick and sputter (no power). Limped into the dealership and awaiting a repair. It's been a couple of days and they still don't know what is wrong with the engine. I suspect it's a lifter issue as you noted. Love this channel and appreciate this video. TBD. Cheers y'all!
I have never trusted cylinder deactivation. It was always a problem waiting to happen. When I ordered my 2022, I specifically chose not to have the auto start stop option (yes it is a Ford). My dream truck was always a GMC HD in my youth. I don’t take joy in these problems at all. Hope GM pulls their head out, for the sake of consumers everywhere.
I agree, first time I heard of this, I was thinking "this is a terrible idea that will make trouble in the engine". My non-Chevy is a Mercedes with Auto Start/Stop and ironically, it never does it. I don't know why, it has a battery as big as a small engine under the hood that is brand new. It just never does it. Fine with me. Thanks.
Personally my thoughts are I bought a V8. If I wanted my v8 to be a 4 cylinder I would have bought a 4 cylinder. Granted I’m antiquated in my thinking and still haven’t been convinced that a 1966 Chevy Belair is any worse than a 2022 Chevy Silverado. I see almost no benefits to these new vehicles given they have issues around the same mileage as an old carbureted v8. In fact my 94 Silverado had 400,000 miles before I rebuilt it knowing it didn’t actually need the rebuild but I was there and fixing another issue so why not
@@cuencaview8303 actually I did see that crash test however I’m im talking about not being convinced that a newer vehicle is any better than an old one I’m not exactly looking at the safety factor. I’m well aware in my 66 Belair I’ve got what is basically a spear pointed right at my chest along with a very solid dash with basically no padding. I’m talking from the perspective of longterm cost and drivability. In another 50 years today’s modern car likely won’t be on the road because there is a whole lot to go wrong.
The issue is that people who need a truck are likely the smaller group compared to people who WANT a truck. Keep in mind this kind of focus on fuel efficiency over reliability arose from the post 9/11 world where gasoline first bounced around 4$/gal. So auto makers were designing trucks for COMMUTERS who are too fat to fit comfortably in a sedan (cuz this is america) rather than tradesman and workers who know reliability and repairability are more important than finding how much metal you can turn into plaatic to shave a few pounds off etc. And commuters care about gas prices. It's seriously so annoying btw just get an ebike to cut back on fuel dependency then you can drive your truck when needed.
They make a displacement on demand delete that gets rid of the issue with that, and a afm bypass and gets rid of all these issues cost is about 900-1000
@@oculophilia8724 Fuel efficiency has been in the cross hairs long before 911,Americans have been buying Honda and Toyota since the 70’s because of there fuel efficiency
My 2008 Silverado had a valve stick briefly so I deleted the afm with a super chips tuner and haven't had any issues since. It's been about 2 and a half years now and I'm at 260,000 miles. Makes life so much easier. 🤘
Heard that brother. My 08 has 245,000 on it. This truck is a shame in some ways and incredible in others. For as old as my truck is , it drives surprisingly good and so much of it has just been as stout as it can be. I still get compliments on it and some people less car savvy think it's a new truck. Some of the things done though just defy logic. So many cheap decisions made. It's frustrating to see a truck built so perfect yet so crappy.
Just be aware, you didn't delete anything with a tune. You just turned off the AFM function. The lifter is still in your engine. A delete is possible but requires all new parts and runs around $800.
@@andrewsbbq haha, of course. Using the word "delete" is just a phrase that is used. As long as the truck stays running in V8 mode, I'll be fine. If I ever have to tear into my engine to fix something, then I'll consider replacing parts for an actual delete. Thank you though.
@@armandohernandez1412 I dunno, even on the major GM truck forums one is known as a "delete" and the other as "deactivated" or "disabled". Symantics maybe for some, but is a key difference. In any case, just pointing out the tune didn't delete anything in case you were thinking otherwise. All good 👍. I have it disabled on my truck as well with tune, from 35,000km and currently at 210,000. Zero issues with this truck. I'm in the same boat as you, if I need to open up the engine I'll get the Texa Speed delete kit and maybe cam.
I must have gotten lucky, my company bought a 2009 chevy 1500 with 14,000 miles on it back in 2011 and of course had afm. The truck made it to 247,000 miles and the #4 afm intake lifter failed. We have sinced changed all lifters on passenger side, and i bought the truck off of them. Now hearing noise from driver side lifters on start up, sometimes. Truck as of today now has 255,000. Must have been luck with the original lifters. 247,000 miles was a really good run. Currently getting all the parts ready to replace all 8 lifters of driver side, before they fail and cause more damage.
I got a 04 5.3 hands down absolutely no issue with it. 250 thousand miles on it still pulls my boat strong every year in a side-by-side. It's just like all these newer vehicles of trash.
Im surprised this lawsuit only goes as far back as 2014 when in reality AFM goes back much further. I had lifted failure on my 2008 that cost a boat load of money to fix and ultimately the repair only lasted a year as the mechanic shop only replaced the one bad lifter. As it turned with some research I found that there were also two recalls, one to upsize the screen on the oil pressure sending unit and one for Lifter Oil Manifold Assembly itself. I decided to do the repair myself this time, and I mean repair the whole thing since the mechanic shop sucked so bad. But really it comes down the the AFM being such a garbage system that should have been discontinued years ago. After I fixed my 6.0 and I found the module to plug into the OBD2 port to bypass and never use that pile of crap system again. I only wish I could reimbursed for the 1000s of dollars I put into my 08 silverado
do you have any more info on the recalls? my 2012 silverado just starting the fluttering today at 1000-1500 RPM is my valvetrain shot or can i switch to this other drive mode to save my engine from blowing up? please help me im very stressed out any more info on this drive mode would be much appreciated
Well heck, the Lawsuit should also include GM trucks from 2008 onward! Not to mention the faulty Transmissions & AC systems, which also has to be addressed.
Loved the video! GM really needs to get it together. I have a 2021 that has had 2 lifter failures and 2stuck injectors within the 1 year of my owning the truck. The worst part about it is I have always been about 1000 miles from home when it decides to take a crap on me.
@@alexandersoliman9841 I cut my AFM On my 2008 avalanche it ran like a top! That is a failed design I now own a 19 tundra TRD Pro! I want a another z71 Tahoe but damn they still got AFM/DFM??
This issue goes back a lot further than 2014!. In 2010 I bought a 08 sierra 4wd 4dr loaded w 21k on it, by the time it had 150k I spent $8,000 on AFM lifters 3 times and a rearend, I sold it with 2 collapsed lifters in 2014 never to buy a gm truck again till they fixed that issue.
I own a 2015 Silverado. Several years around this time are notorius for numerous repeat transmission problems. GM should be responsible for fixing these problems, NOT the consumer
I am 69 yrs old. I have owned nothing but General Motors cars and trucks since I got my drivers license in 1969. I have owned Pontiac's in the late 1060's. Then Oldsmobile Cutlass from 1977 until 1986, then Chevy Monte Carlo's until 1988. Then GMC Jimmy and GMC pick ups buying my last GMC pick up in 2017. I was trading every couple of years and never put more than 35 to 45,000 miles on them. I decided to just keep the 2017 since I was retired by that time still it had less than 60,000 on it and I dodged ever having the problems with the AFM/DFM. although I had purchased the plug in over ride device for $100.00 and it worked. I know the owner of my GMC dealer very well and had always bought my trucks through his dealership. I went by his home for coffee one Saturday in late 2020 and told him I was ready to get a new Sierra Denali. He point blank told me that with all the issues with engines and now transmissions he could not recommend buying one. Instead he sent me to a Toyota dealer where he knew the owner, he recommended a Tundra Limited. It came standard with a 5.7 V-8 and a 6 speed automatic transmission. No cylinder deactivation or the hated "Auto Stop" that cuts the motor off when stopped. A drive train with 8 years of service and no repeated issues. He found me the color I wanted with leather. I couldn't believe I was taking the plunge but I did. it's a new 2021 and Toyota's last year for their V-8. I'm so glad I listened to my friend, I love it, it drives great and the ride for a full size pick up is very good. I was getting around 17 miles to a gallon and 18 to 19 hwy in my 2017 GMC and the Toyota is about a a mile per gallon less on both. The Toyota doesn't have the styling and the interior isn't quite as nice of the Sierra or Silverado but at this age I'm not willing to fight the battles. I believe the 2022 Tundra's have the cylinder deactivation and auto stop. No more that I drive I believe this Tundra will out last me. I have always stuck keeping my vehicles serviced on time.
Love my 08 Silverado, has AFM as well. You have to know why our cars and trucks have this in the first place and then you'll understand the big picture. The government has regulations on minimum mpg standards and this is one of the manufacturers answers to achieving them. Too many government regulations is where this all stems from.
Have you heard what Biden wants for the new fuel regulations to be now. I’m not 100% sure but it’s around 45 mpg in the future. He’s trying to get everything to go electric. But our electric grid can’t hold up if everyone plugs in now. Jmo
@@kimchappell9559 and these stupid mofos are tearing down all of the Coal power plants like idiots, it’s a flat out conspiracy to me… how else are we being powered lol… they are banking on windmills and solar panels I guess…. We are being destroyed from inside out💯
The government didn’t tell GM to not support warranty claims and not to fix the problems. Nor did the government tell GM to place a poorly thought out DOD system with reliability issues on millions of vehicles. GM is trying to bury the problem just as they did with the 6 spd auto problem. Don’t blame the government. Your continued support of GM by buying defective by design trucks makes it your fault too.
I can relate to this madness, lifters have failed multiple times eventually wiping the cam and toasting the motor. My only saving grace was having an extended warranty which eventually replaced my motor after spending 7 months at the dealer.Repairs have totaled to almost 20k, i was a die hard Chevy and GM guy. I’m getting rid of this headache 😕.
Coming from a huge GM fan….GM needs to get their crap together and FIX THIS ISSUE! Not to mention the 8 speed transmission shutter that my 2017 Yukon Denali had. I did buy it used so I had no warranty. Luckily I have a good friend who is a GM mechanic and he flushed the system and put in the new revised fluid. But my last 2010 Sierra had the lifter issue around 90k miles and I deleted all that crap and had the ECU reprogrammed.
Friend of mine owns a shop and he is constantly doing AFM deletes on customer vehicles. He keeps the kits on the shelf along with LS7 lifters and options of different camshafts depending on whatever the customer wants.
I just did the afm delete in mine. Mine is a 2013 Silverado though, 195,000 miles. I disabled it in the the computer a couple years but figured I’d change out all the hardware to give me a reason to do all the gaskets anyway given the miles I had.
Has he ever had issues with the coolant surging and causing a click in the thermostat after doing a cam and delete with tune? Having a random click that is not related to rpm and not consistent. Can find my post on Silverado Sierra forum
I have had several lifters go out on 2 occasions but after the second time ( which was 3-4 months after the first time ) I did a Texas Speed full DOD delete and swapped out cam ,lifters, push rods and TC and gears. no more issues
Our '21 Silverado with the DFM L84 5.3 had the lifters fail at 585 miles. This happened almost exactly a year ago prior to the updated TSB guidance so they only replaced the damaged lifters on cylinders #6 and #8. I really hope this class action results in a recall with upgraded parts for current owners. I only drive the truck in L7 (8-speed transmission) to disable DFM and I still can get 20 MPG cruising on the highway without DFM in 7th gear. If I had known this was going to happen, though, I never would have bought the truck and really regret not going for the 6.6 gas 3/4 ton instead.
@@Ryan_Tinney No, I was only using D for normal driving when the failure happened. The check engine light flashed intermittently on four occasions when a lifter would stick. Post-repair I exclusively drive in L7 for normal driving and I've always reflexively shut off auto start/stop from day one.
GM is sending many of the new ones to the dealers and fixed before they sell them. My understanding is that it's not only the lifters getting replaced but the camshaft as well
Hope ya truck gets fixed. Hopefully mines doesn’t break, I have a 2020 LT 5.3 with 24k and it runs rock solid. This DFM/AFM stuff needs to stay out of cars and trucks. Trucks always get bad gas mileage anyways so there’s no point in improving it…
My 2021 Trailboss had the lifter go and bent the pushrod at 6400 miles. Big let down but the way the dealership handled was even worse. Had it in the shop for over a month and wouldn’t give me a loaner because they apparently had none available.
SUCH AS SAME HERE TODAY #EXPRIENCING SUCH AGGRAVATION NOW WITH A 2021 CADILLAC ESCALADE ESV W/ only 8000mi on it, bought brand new last June 2021😡😤😤🤷🏾♂️
Yep. 2016 Yukon Denali 74,000 miles just experienced failed AFM valve lifter. Mainly all highway miles, we don’t drive in harsh conditions, make all service intervals, and we don’t tow and still had one fail. Several thousand dollars to get it fixed. Ridiculous that GM has failed to acknowledge this issue and leaving owners stuck with astronomical bills to have a drivable vehicle again.
$5000 for ONE lifter on my 2016 gmc sierra 1500 6.2. An absolute rip off. GM should face up to the sheer number of customers that are having to deal with this s*** all the time loss and huge dent on your wallet. Not fair. Hoping for a recall
Just found your channel and been watching the videos. Great info on all. Thank you. I have a 2021 Silverado LT Z71 4WD. I dropped a lifter at 7000 miles and it sat in the dealership for 9 weeks waiting for parts. Then at 18000 Dropped another lifter and sat at different dealership for 2 weeks waiting for parts. Now my truck has about 33000 miles and running low oil pressure on the guage. Start the truck up after sitting awhile and oil pressure is good. Drive about 10-15 miles oil pressure drops. When I say drops it is on the first line above 0. Warning lights come on and drive it to dealership (hoping motor would blow up to get a new motor) leave it running for them to look at it. They put the computer on it and says sending unit out of spec. I look at the service writer and said "Really thats what you see. Would have never thought that." So now what. No parts available and no loaner available. Drive it until we get the part in. Been driving the truck now for about a month and half. Got a call sending unit came in we will replace this Friday. Love my truck but do not love the issues with this one. I have had many a chevy truck and even tried another brand once and that will not happen again. Years of Chevy Trucks I have had: 1985/1997/1999/2000/2007/2013/2015/2017/2021
When I bought my 2018 5.3 Silverado in August of 2018 I thought the AFM is the coolest thing ever, best of both worlds! I drove the truck in D for its first 15k miles As I watched more videos and read more forum discussions I made the decision to drive the truck exclusively in L5. My 30 mile commute is all So Cal stop and go surface streets. Hopefully this decision will prolong the life of my trucks lifters. 31.5k miles and counting.
@@absolutegreenllc8565 I got a Diablo Sport Tuner. There is an option for turning off AFM. The main reason I got it was to raise the crappy idle to 600 RPM. Smooth at that RPM for me
My 2013 had a lifter collapse at like 140k luckily it was under warranty still so they got to replace it all and then it had an oil consumption problem
My 09 Silverado failed at 85,000 miles. GM covered it. At 150,000 miles zero oil pressure 24 miles from home. I floored it at the high speed # of (as u know well) 100 mph. Don’t know how it made it,but it got me home. The engine was shot to hell. Got a 2020 trail boss 6.2 slammed a (don’t buy this) supercharger. At 7,000 miles, blew a rear main seal and I so hot because When I’m done the 6.2 will have 8fiddy hp. GM’s fault😂😂😂😂
14 Silverado 5.3 140,000 miles. Runs perfect. I had a new dodge with issues before this and they wouldn’t help for shit. GM has been very good to me at least.
I also have a 5.3L but with 159k miles I have two lifter ticks one on each side of engine one I’ve had for 40k miles Haven’t had to repair them thank god they’re just a little noisy in a drive thru Any issues yet with your ‘14 yet? I know it’s been 4 months now
Great video. As a mechanic I see this way to often. Poor design or stupid idea to disable cylinders . Gm knew about this problem a long time ago. Hopefully they will now do something about it
GM which is my favorite brand did the active fuel management back in the 1980s and had the same problem, GM got rid of the motors and went back to regular engines. I have no ideas as to why the tech came back. My dad who is a huge Cadillac fan wouldn’t buy a newer Cadillac when this tech was on their cars. He always said to never buy the car with that motor.
They had to bring it back because of the epa putting regulations on trucks to get higher gas mileage by 2030. I can’t remember if it was 30 or 40mpg average that manufactures have to achieve but now they’re having to neuter trucks to appease these regulations.
Oh man the Northstar haha. My grandfather had one of those Caddys too and as a kid all I remember was it was constantly in a shop. He never bought a Cadillac again after that
Thanks you for this valuable info. Sadly we have all known about this issue for a long time. I bought a default module as well. It plugs into my OBD port. So, I can take it on and off depending on servicing. Hopefully GM will now be FORCED to step up. All makes have their issues. In the end it’s not the issue as much as it is about how the companies handle these issues. So far GM is an epic fail. So, now we wait for the courts to decide. From a business standpoint, I get it. From a consumer and loyal customer, sorry, I don’t get it. GM knows about the problem and has known but still says, denied.
we can thank the US government for forcing auto makers into the 'fuel saving" engine builds. Got a Silverado after fighting with Ford on the F150 cam phaser/sparkplug issues. I now have the PO304 code and engine tick with only 67K miles and no rough driving or heavy towing. Waiting on dealer appt. to see just how bad mine is and if the warranty will kick in. Pretty sure it is lifter/pushrod since moving spark plug/wire and COP did not stop the 304 code. Where can you get the AFM disable device? Saving a few pennies on gas is nothing compared to engine failure.
@@electriceye3942 They don't have to use crappy parts or half ass the solution to the fuel mileage requirements. Hybrid technology is well matured at this point, GM..Ford..or even Toyota could just put an actual hybrid powerplant in a full size configuration that would easily meet the requirements( as opposed to the joke "mild hybrid"). They can't say it wouldn't sell either...look at the demand for the F150 lightning. The car companies are just using the mileage requirements as a scapegoat for putting out subpar products.
We can thank corrupt and ignorant Democrats for destroying this country. There are also transmission problems in Millions of these vehicles. Mine was brand new (6.2L fully loaded, for which I paid $64K cash and thought it was a good deal), and the engine was dying, lifter ticking was insanely loud, belts squealing, misfiring, etc. etc.
This problem is what pushed me into the 3.0 Duramax back June when traded in my 5.3. I really wanted to get a 6.2 trailboss. I only personally know 1 individual that has experienced this so far, and that happened about a month after I got my truck. I think I made the right choice.
@@thiagoarmenta8934 i got one as well for my 21’ denali and got it since may and i have no issues either. The fuel efficiency is amazing and you can’t complain about the 100k mile warranty
I am a firm believer in frequent oil changes to help REDUCE the chance of failure. Small holes in lifters can clog and prevent oil flow. Yes some will fail no matter what. I change my oil every 3k miles and use AMSOIL engine flush every third change. I also turned that system off through a tuner. Now have 45k miles. No issues yet
My son has an '09 Silverado with the 5.3. We have installed the AFM delete tuner and we change the oil every 3K miles as well. He currently has 119K miles on the truck and, knock on wood, it still runs strong with no knocks.
Local police department bought a new 2021 Tahoe, ran 1500 miles, failed lifter. It didnt even make it to the first oil change. Replaced only the failed side under warranty, not both sides.
Hey man thanks for the heads up. My wife and I went yesterday to look at a 2017 black Silverado Black widow addition. As we were driving it we felt the slightest vibration at a stop. We asked them to check this out and when we got home I watched this video. Today we received a call from the dealership that this vibration was this very issue. This will be a NO BUY for us. This ment a lot because we have never owned a Chevy, always Fords but this truck looked like yours, just damn mean... We loved it but thanks again man, you saved us some major headaches.
I recommend not to buy a black widow truck they have a laundry list of issues from the cheap lift kits they use. Buy a stock truck and have a off-road shop work with you on a good lift kit.
I was always a Ford guy myself...until I bought my brand new F150 with the 5.0L in 2014. I knew there was an issue within the first 25k of owning the truck, I asked Ford on 10 separate occasions to look into the issue for me...they never did properly. Long story short, after 120k, and past my warranty, I was told I would need to replace the engine...the issue was EXACTLY what I told them I thought it was years earlier. Absolutely horrible experience with Ford, left a BAD taste in my mouth. I will never, EVER, buy another Ford ever again. *$&! Ford.
@@jerrybuck9236 i feel ya brother. I have been lucky with my Ford. The story behind my truck is in 1997 my wife and I went to buy a Torinado Red 97 F 150 4x4 extended cab off road package. Once we got there a white F 150 Lariet 4x4 drove off the truck and we bought it instead and my father bought the red one. In 2016 my father passed and we still ended up with the original truck. In 2016 the truck had 61,000 miles and everything was still original down to the 4.6 V8. Now it has 87,000 miles, still all original with new tires. The truck is flawless and runs like a top. We are blessed to have a vehicle this good because it ain't the norm by no way. Every make, model from all three are more than likely nowhere near dependable as mine and that's a shame. You basically have to buy a $100k truck and put another $20 k in after market parts to have a dependable vehicle. It's like the Jeep Wrangler. They aren't bought great, the are built great after bought. It should really be criminal.
Just watched this video and have been following you for a month or so and pleased your 5.3 is doing well. I'm 4k miles into my 2022 LTD and pray I'll be blessed Not to have these failures. I'm 60yo and a Chevy 4Ever man, and by Gods grace never had an issue with them. Keep up the great channel young man. God Bless Texas 🤙
Hey man do yourself a favor an just buy a Range there $240 new I bought one on Facebook marketplace for $80 it disables AFM and DFM look it up everyone uses them it keeps it in V8 the whole time and is AMAZING will save you Thousands and the worry!
@@fleafarts3576 ... I hope its a quick fix and covered. Can I ask what your mileage is and do you have the 5.3 w/8spd transmission.? Thanks and good luck to ya.
They need to extend this to the 2007+. I have a 2008 and the same thing happened. I tore into the engine, and discovered that whoever had the truck prior to me had the same exact problem. So I tore it apart took out the stock lifters, put in LS1 lifters and a new camshaft, and had the computer sent and wiped. It has been running like a champ ever since! As much as I love the 5.3 l and Chevy trucks, it ticks me off that they're not willing to do something about it!
GM said it was normal. lol If GM had fixed the problem back then, they wouldn't be getting sued now!! Makes you wonder about those fk'n engineers that get paid big money and put out shit like this!! I have a 2007.5 and my son has a 2007. His is a way better truck!!!
@@billmonroe8826 simple solution... Don't program the CPU with afm and put in the LS1 lifters from the factory. Great engine... Cheap ass Chevy executives!
@@mintac3672 I have it so it stays v8 and never goes to 4 it still has the same lifters. So, you just changed lifters and camshaft? My whole issue is the gm should have recalled them all. Nobody should have to pay this much for a truck and then end up with a junk setup!
@@billmonroe8826 lifters, cam and sent the computer to Texas for the v4 mode to be wiped. While I was in there changed the timing chain, oil bump...etc so I wouldn't have to do it another 100,000 down the road.
I’ve got a 2013 Suburban that failed a lifter. I did a total AFM delete and still have problems with loud ticking. This lawsuit should go all the way back to 2007.
I’m a GM Dealership Heavy line technician…. The lowest amount of miles I’ve seen lifter failure on is a 2021 Escalade and it had 800 miles… the bulletin for the lifter failure stated replace all 16 lifters if it was under “8000 mile break in period “ and if had more than 8000 then it’s only one bank…
I have a 2019 5.3 and it has 46k miles and runs like a champion , I put the AFM/DFM disable from range technology at 43k miles and still running good 🤞
I owned a 2014 Camaro 2SS 6.2L with a manual 6 speed transmission, which like you stated did come without he AFM system. Never had a problem and it was a beast. So I decided in 2/2021 to buy a 2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 Trail Boss LT. I LOVE this truck but right at 24,000 miles, welcome the lifter issue. When I spoke with the service manager at Powers Swain dealership in Fayetteville NC , he did tell me that they would replace all the lifters since they had the truck in the shop already. I also had to take it back at about 12,000 miles for a transmission leak. The shop told me that the leak was due to "loose" transmission pan bolts on one of the corners of the pan. "They fixed it." At my last oil service I asked the mechanic to let me look under the truck while it was on the lift. Needless to say the transmission fluid leak was still there, and it did not look like it was from the pan, it looked like one of the rear seals on the transmission was leaking and dripping which during driving, the fluid could be blown all over. I am two weeks and a payment without my truck and the hold up seems to be a back order on head gaskets. And I wait.
As much as I love GM they’ve been getting away with valve train issues since the LS7. These new 5.3 and 6.2’s are giving a lot of customers grief. Seen a few Trail Bosses with paper plates have suspension failure as well. Corporate America for ya.
@@adamharris2674 shut up, ram is going through more transmissions than a fat guy... and ford with all those electrical issues... toyota is fine but nothing special... and nissan is just plain outdated. Overall, nobody's safe with any vehicle
I feel somewhat protected against these failures since disabling the DFM with the PulsarLT, and also stopping all that crud from re-entering the engine thanks to the catch can....and of course I would not have done any of this had I not stumbled upon your channel. Great content, keep it up, my 2019 Silverado 1500 LT thanks you as do I, especially since it now only has 9mos of factory warranty left on it.
I HAVE THE JLT 3.0, AND I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THIS MOD IS ILLEGAL, WHY THIS IS, I HAVE NO IDEA. MY CATCH CAN CATCHES 3.0 OUNCES EVERY 6000 PLUS MILES. SO I GUESS EVERY FEW YEARS ONCE I HAVE TO START GETTING IT SMOGGED I WILL HAVE TO REMOVE IT.
@Jim jibroni I just re read my previous comment. Yes I will be re-installing the JLT as soon as the smog check is completed. I'm hoping JLT will get the CARB approved for California, this unit is a no brainer and the catch can proves it. 2.5 ounces every 6000 miles. I will be installing the PULSAR LT next month. It will be nice to have a full time V-8 and not a V-2 or even a 1 cylinder engine at times.
Don't be so confident, disabling will not stop the internals from coming apart. It just won't go into that mode but you till have a ticking time bomb under the hood.
I live in the Middle East and my daily driver is a 2013 Tahoe which is with me since new. Its lifters have failed twice in a span of 158000 miles out of which one replacement was under warranty the second one I paid for. The problem is there is too much truck to just let go just because of a lifter failure and I have decided to keep the truck until the next lifter failure happens. Much cheaper to get it fixed than get a new truck in these uncertain times that we live in, in my opinion.
I have a 06 monte Carlo SS with the 5.3 dod and so far no issues at 78k. I do change the oil every 3k and use 6 oz of marvel mystery oil. The answer to the Buick V8 question is, Buick Lucerne fwd. Some came with North Star V8 and other years came with gm 5.3 V8 with displacement on demand dod. Mahalo for the video and aloha from AZ..🤙
Remember the 90s chevy slogan “like a rock” thats the golden age of chevy, gm truck reliability . I remember my neighbor has 1996 v8 chevy truck- has 500k miles - and still runs to this day with same engine .
The thing I don't understand about big companies and this isn't just limited to automakers but large companies in general; is that they know of these issues pretty quickly after they are discovered. Whether that is through the owners of the vehicles or through their own internal testing. Instead of admitting mea culpa, they would rather sweep it under the rug and kick the can down the road until the wind pushes it back and hits them in the face via a class action lawsuit. I'll never understand this mindset, ever.
Same here but it’s about money. They were probably hoping the failure rates would be low and took a gamble. Rather then pay for all engines with the defect design. If they lose this lawsuit they will probably take another gamble and just extend warranty based on time or mileage instead of recalling the engines and/or transmission, a lot of car companies do this. How much off these trucks are already totaled? $$$ Saved. They should think about the long term if they don’t want to go bankrupt again.
Generally speaking, say a car company has a defective part on every car that will break within a few years. The corporate question is, will it cost more to replace the parts under a recall, or will the inevitable lawsuit cost more? Most of the time if the fault is drivetrain or electronic related, the company will gamble with lawyers. If it is a safety concern - i.e. seat belt/air bag/ brakes they will recall the parts, cause the lawsuits would definately be costlier than the recall. Its pretty shitty, but thats how most companies(at least large ones) operate, purely financial...
Because they figure it's lest costly to fix the issue, when it happens under warranty and then the consumer will pay for it after the warranty expires. So, in essence, they are saving money by NOT replacing them all in a recall at one time.
You also have to understand they are required to equip the AFM to meet CAFE and emissions standards. Otherwise they would be required, and likely will in the near future, smaller displacement engines with turbos or superchargers. I do t know about current standards but I believe at one time the only v8 engines that could not have AFM and VVT were commercial. But that may have changed.
Interesting video! I have a 2019 5.3 silverado. This happened to me in July. Had the truck in for a torque converter warranty issue. Got the truck back 24 hrs later drove 8 miles and home had major top end noise called dealership and they recommended roadside assistance and brought it back to dealer. Failed lifter number 5 cyl. Dealer replaced only number 5 notified truck not running right on number 5. Diagnosed cam issue and replaced under warranty. Waited 7 weeks for head gasket (global shortage) Fortunately GM Canada provided me with a silverado rental covered by them at a cost of $4250 for rental. Got truck back and now left with no confidence! I hope there will be a class action here in Canada as well. This is the 4th new truck since 2014 Not sure what to buy next. My warranty was up at Christmas. This is BS a lot of money for something unreliable .
Literally dealing with this issues right now on my 2015 Z71 6.2L, lifter #7 blew while my transmission was being replaced during the test drive from transmission shop. Really makes me wonder if my transmission was even an issue, might wait to see what happens with this before replacing (not gonna drive it) Hope a recall happens soon.
The 8 speed GM truck trannys are very problematic too. We at my dealership had 9 of them we were waiting on the warranty department to get GM to pay off
I own 2015 Silverado 5.3. Had the lifter failure at 248,390 miles. That's right, I got 248,390 miles before lifter failed. I took the engine out myself and deleted the AFM system. Replaced all of the lifters with LS7 lifters, and ordered a HP Tuners unit and shut off the AFM at the computer. I reinstalled the engine and it runs like a dream. Best mileage so far has been 24.6 mpg. I regularly get 20-22 mpg. It has the six speed tranny. Yes, I love my truck, but I do not love the AFM system. It nearly destroyed GM when they developed it back in 1981. BTW I think they need to junk the AFM system along with MARY BARRA. BTW #2 If you get the HP Tuners unit, you can retune the transmission lockup that causes the torque converter failure. You see, GM has the torque converter going into lockup AT 11 MPH!!! You can disable that function for the first, second and third gears and not stress your tranny. While you are at it you should remove the thermostat for the transmission fluid. That thermostat opens up at 194 degrees (to save about 1/10 mpg of gas!) but it destroys the tranny. Just take it out altogether and enjoy your truck!
Man, you are a life saver. I'll do all that you recommended. Well get some mechanic to do, Not sure if it's a DIY thing. The thermostat I can do it. Thank you!
what kind of symptoms did you experience before it failed? my 2012 silverado just starting the fluttering today at 1000-1500 RPM is my valvetrain shot ?
Why are they only saying "from 2014 and up"? When from 2010-2013 automatic Camaros have the L99 which also has AFM and cylinder deactivation, surely they are a problem too??
Is there a way for others to get in on this class action lawsuit ? My 2014 Sierra did this and it cost me around $2400.00 out of my pocket on top of the monthly payments.
I just got through paying 4 grand for the lifter failure in my 2018 GMC Denali. I am a life long GM fan, but this has me looking at other brands moving forward. Also, my 2014 GMC SLT also had the same failure, fortunately the factory warranty covered that one.
I had hired a lemon law lawyer about 3 months ago and my hearing is in the month of April. Trying to get a full buy back or a cash pay-out that I'm hoping will be the cost of a new engine if and when the engine needs to be replaced. This really pisses me off because they new of the problem years ago and like you said did nothing. Maybe if enough people sue them and win, they might think twice about not correcting a problem with an engine design flaw once it is brought to there attention.
@@aFra109 2019 5.3 l ecotec engine and my lifters I think the number two lifter went out at 5,200 miles and then my radio went out my battery went out so the lawyer got a hold of said that I have a case so we'll see what happens
@@HowtowithPaulHenderson here is what I wrote above reply to this video. Copied and pasted but you can see my situation. I wonder if I should try the same thing as you - - - “I’m in a similar boat to the one you referenced in the lawsuit. 2021 5.3 LT Trail Manager. 7250 miles was my first lifter issue. They replaced just the lifter that was damaged and gave it back to me. 9350 another failure and they replaced the bank of lifters on the other side. So, I still have 3 more potential lifter failures heading my way. The dealer stated they were not authorized to replace all the lifters when I mentioned the TSB on my first go-around with this crap. Here are the other issues with my new truck : new drive shaft is on back order since the summer. It makes a loud ping/ting sound under load or shifting load from forward to reverse. They said it’s a drive shaft. I am also now having Electrical issues ever since the first lifter problem. My 4WD fails even if I’m not in 4WD or want to be. Just a light that pops on along with rear park assist off light. Check engine light has happened with these codes and the dealer can’t replicate or find any loose wiring to fix. The codes stored and active are starter A and starter B failure. Communication failure from the ECU, loss of communication to the radio. CAN bus problems and low voltage. I have not changed any of the incandescent lights to LED either. I hate my truck. I have asked the dealership service manager to call me tomorrow and see about them buying the POS back from me. I have yet to trip 10k miles on it because it’s in the shop all the time. And I only got a rental/loaner once from them. What a nightmare. A $60,000 nightmare. Thanks for sharing. Love the content of this channel, keep up the awesome stuff, man.”
Damn I like the Silverado and was thinking of buying until I watched this video. Most salesmen now days will lie and say this has been repaired just to get the sale. With the price of trucks these days I will not waste my money and buy a Chevy. Thanks for the video
Thanks for posting this. First I've heard about it. I've got a 2015 Silverado with the 5.3L. Ticking noise from the engine since the first day. Luckily, no disasters yet, but I've only got 17k miles on it at this point. Repeated complaints to the dealer were always explained away as 'that's normal" or "it'll go away after break-in", but basically just saying "fuck off". As a side note, I was getting 14/15 mph city, until they did a transfer case software update about a year after I bought the truck. Since then, it's been 7 - 8 mph city. More complaints, more bullshit excuses.
My rods and lifters went in my 2020 trailboss. Traded it in as soon as I got it back for a 2021 ranger. Best decision I ever made. I’ll never buy another GM product
Lol yeah after 36,000 miles it will start burning oil a quart every 800 miles dealership said that’s normal also when it leaves you on the side of the road they will tell you that’s normal also 😂
@@anthonymakley1530 wow glad I got rid of mine. I used to have a 2011 focus with 190k miles and it didn’t burn a drop of oil. It pisses me off more that dealerships try to tell you it’s normal.
I have a 2016 5.3 Most of the time I have a knock up top. Sometimes it does not knock. I am going to take it to the GM house this week to see what they say. Btw 97k miles
I have noticed an odd issue with v4 mode, it causes transmission shudder in the 6L80 at low rpm low load cruising speeds 45-60mph, idk how or why the two could be related but it does, I wonder if it's the root cause in why the 6L80s fail so often. I had a 6l80 fail at 103k miles on a 18 2wd with a 5.3 and the new gm reman is pullin the same bologna.
This needs to extend to all models. Depending on severity it can cost thousands to repair. I did a quick repair on my 2010 in the driveway. Just one side, cost $600 and took 8 hours to do
In 2016 my 08 Tahoe LT with the 5.3 had #1 lifter failure (AFM). Had it repaired using the Allstate warranty I paid for when I bought the truck. What a nightmare pain that was to work through. One year later IT DID IT AGAIN!! Allstate coverage is total crap and shady. At this point I had a GM certified rebuild put it, and I paid the difference of cost. Since 2017 it has been fine with no more lifter issues, but I want my money back GM!! You owe me. There is a bulletin out that has existed for a very long time that describes how to make engine upgrades that prevent this from occurring. My GM rebuild came with these upgrades.
Owned 2000 Silverado, no major problems. Got a 2011 Silverado, nothing but problems, till lifter took motor out. Then 2014 Silverado, nothing but problems, oil pump and new trans 120k. Now, tundra, haven't been to shop in 2 years. I miss the guys at the shop, seems I saw them weekly if not monthly.
Sad part is when you delete this system with aftermarket parts and have the vehicle tuned by someone that knows what they are doing the vehicle will get better fuel mileage running on all 8 cylinders all the time
Did you make a profit on trading it in? I know some trucks are being traded in for more than payed for because of chip shortage and new vehicles being hard to come by
I think I'm going to be getting mine deleted on my '08 Silverado this summer hopefully. I've got it turned off for now with my Bullydog GT. But I think I'm going to finally pull the trigger on it and get better internals as well, forged, better cam, lifters, etc. Ps. Thanks for the great video and info as always! Your awesome. Love the videos, keep it up!
@Jim jibroni still a lot cheaper than buying a new one with all the issues I've heard. And I've been planning awhile to do this. Also depends on all that you want to do besides just deleting it too. Making what you got even stronger/ better.
I would delete it ASAP!! I bought my 08 5.3 crew cab brand new in March 08 and my lifters start going bad at 100k or so my friend replace all of them and re did my heads just in case and deleted that stupid fuel management shyt… I can’t believe these new ones are having even more problems. GM needs to get their shyt together not acceptable at all smh 🤦🏻♂️
It's a miserable system. In November I took a road trip with a Pulsar LT installed. I got 21 mpg on I-95. Out of curiosity I removed the Pulsar and did the same road trip (FLA to NC) I got 17.7 on this trip. DFM is a waste!
GM should give us 10 year 100k mile warranties, like many other manufacturers already do. I had a pump in my torque converter go our with just 1200 miles left on my 60k powertrain warranty. Total cost for repair, including a rental while it was in shop for 3 weeks, would have been over $4k!
Yup my hummer h3 converter overdrive went out at 70,000 mi. I changed fluid it at 50,000 and put it amsoil . Well dealer claimed torque converter was bad batch from a supplier. Dangs ; it’s a cutthroat business - All em got their problems; but why can’t they just refine them instead of redesign. EPA pressure crap.
They can reduce the warranty to 3 years, 30k miles, as they know most of the sheep will continue to buy them. They don't care, they just want your money and loyalty.
Lifelong/3rd generation GM loyalist.. just traded in my ‘17 Silverado with 59k miles for a ‘21 because my ‘17 had several issues already.. if I start having issues with my new one, I will never buy another GM product again. So far so good with the new one hope she keeps it up
Aloha and mahalo for this video bro, glad I saw this because I’m in the process of buying a Chevy Silverado 1500 6.2 trailboss and had no idea about this, till now. So again, mahalo!
California drives a lot of this shit. It makes sense for the manufacturers to build to the strictest measures. Same reason we have a 3rd cat under the truck. It's practically worthless but it has to comply to California standards
Thanks for doing this video on this CA Lawsuit. Keep us informed. Just curious, do you use a full synthetic engine oil in your Silverado truck and how often to do you change your oil? Did the CA Lawsuit mention anything about engine oil type that may have impacted failures? Also, I had the same smile on my face as you did, back in 1977 when i removed my BBQ grills (same as your truck) from my 1977 Trans Am and put Glass Pac exhausts on to give it an awesome sound.
No the oil doesn’t matter. My 2020 trailboss, oil changed at 2k miles, then just before 6k. Rods and lifters went at 8k. They’re making junk engines. I traded it in for a 2021 ranger as soon as I got it back. I’ll never give GM another penny. When you spend $60k on a truck you expect it to last longer than 6 months
For the 07-18 trucks if you aren’t consistent with oil changes even by a little bit that’s how these lifter issues start. Always change the oil every 5k with a full synthetic. Every time someone goes over or starts to neglect their truck is when they start complaining about the issues. For some reason these trucks just can’t handle long oil change intervals well. 2019+ trucks are a totally different story. They’re awful, that’s just terrible workmanship and quality.
@@UntamedOutdoorsmen I’m not saying you’re wrong, but they also just built them wrong. Mine blew up at 8k miles and I had already done 2 oil changes with Mobil 1 full synthetic. Sure some people neglect them, but GM also made them like junk.
@@lesterparker1594 yeah I agree with you I had an 09 sierra did very tedious maintenance and never ran into a singular issue regarding lifters. Doing the same thing on my 2014, afm disabled, less miles and has lifter clatter and noise just like the rest of them. 14-18 aren’t bad trucks but they’re definitely worse then 07-13. 2019+ have reached a new level of awful and bad quality. Nothing you can do to prevent the issues you had.
I've worked on almost a thousand of these vehicles since 2002 with all of them having the exact same problem..... I have continuously steered my customers clear of any GM products since 2002....
what kind of symptoms did you experience before it failed? my 2012 silverado just starting the fluttering today at 1000-1500 RPM is my valvetrain shot ?
My 2021 Trail Boss (5.3) just went in the shop today with the lifter issue. Will be stopping by tomorrow for and update. I will be pushing for both banks top be replaced. We will see how that goes. Thanks for the great video.
The other problem is, if its still a problem with new engines then GM clearly doesn't know how to fix the problem either. They should sue the feds and EPA for all the restrictions they put on manufacturers for miniscule mpg gains.
We have a 2017 GMC YUKON XL SLT and just had this exact problem and surprise surprise the dealership only replaced one side. After reading about this and watching all the videos I’m counting the miles until we have to replace the other side.
This is why I specifically ordered a 4.8 despite the sales guy pushing hard for the 5.3. The frame of my truck will rust away before anything happens to the motor. Simple is always best.
Das some nice rides Hawaiian!! been having lot of problems with my 2019 Silverado also and hear a lot of people in da isles jumping on some lawsuit. Hope they wins can fix mah truck asap! Ok Hawaiian take care Aloha.
I'm going to be looking at this closely, I bought a 2018 with 27k on it. At 35k the lifters failed and my truck died as I rolled it into a dealership down the street from me. Never to start again, they replaced the motor and I can tell this one is having the same noises and low oil pressure it suffered from when the previous motor went out and I'm only at 22k.
My 2015 GMC Sierra 1500 with the 5.3 L engine went haywire one morning while driving to work. I drove it directly to the dealer that my extended warranty was with. They gave me a rental vehicle while mine wad being repaired. Been running fine ever since.
My 2013 Silverado 1500LT gave me a lot of issues with the oil system. Spent over $6000.00 later. Just so the technician to tell me I need a new engine. That was $8000.00 for that. And since my warranty was expired GM Would not give me a break on price. Even though the engine was proven defective from manufacturing. By their own technicians.
Have a 11 Suburban with 256k. Vehicle has been in the family since brand new. 130k trans failure and replaced. 150k low oil pressure / afm failure engine replaced. Since I got my hands on it (180k) I've been doing the following; Mobil 1 full synthetic every 5k miles or 6 months. I also run a range disable device. So far, no issues. But if it goes down I'll be doing a full rebuild
My friend has this problem on his 2019 GMC Sierra with 140K miles. His 2008 GMC Sierra before this truck went 300K. My other friend's 2006 Avalanche has 350K and still going. My 2006 Ridgeline has 170K miles and going strong (also doesn't have all the nanny's thank god). Regarding the new generation of cars and trucks--Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Hay thanks. That was a very detailed video. I have a 14 and a 17 silverado. The 14 alway had a little tapping noise, but regular oil changes it keeps on going. The 17 so far so good. Already been researching delete kits out there. But for now ill just keep regular Maintenance and cross my fingers. Thanks great video.
As a chevy fan boy, let me say, no one hates GM more than those of us that drive them 😅
You’re not a Chevy fan boy, you’re a ford fanboy typing some stupid ass comment.
Agreed. I wish GM would allow Chevy to leave the corporation and let Chevy sell itself on the stock market
Yeah same thing here my 19 just crossed 60 K and the transmission is shot looked into that turns out there’s a class action lawsuit for the transmission as well fuck me if you can’t trust a Silverado anymore it’s all over
What I hate is their service,,,,,,I listed my cars but I also own a bought new 2022 Toyota Corolla SE as my daily to protect my baby’s by putting miles on them,,,but Toyotas service is so much better,,,I don’t get nervous and upset when I have to take it in for service 😂 with chevy I get a stomach ache and my palms get sweaty cause I know I’m gonna lose it!
Yes had my first and last GM 13’ Tahoe great vehicle 160k. Can’t can’t buy another. GM seems to be really going down hill won’t take the chance on another one . Toyota gets my next purchase
I love GM, that’s all my father and I have ever owned in terms of trucks. But in my opinion they have too many MBA-types running the company, they just flat out do not focus on bringing the best possible product to market.
Same here GM all my life and now I just see quality going down. It’s a shame
I wish they would undercoat their vehicles with something other than wax.
It's because the new CEO sucks.
@Cameron Cannon
That has been the case for decades
What I dont understand is why people keep buying
gm saw Ford didnt fail in 2008 and thought hmm i too could vetray my customer's trust in brand name in ordee to make short term profits and award bonuses to execs...
This class action suit should be opened up to EVERY GM product with this junk AFM installed. All one has to do is surf the internet for information regarding the MASSIVE engine failures in GM vehicle with the AFM system! There are SO many people who have had to come out of pocket to either rebuild their engines or replace them due to this junk system! I think GM should have to reimburse every one and offer to perform the AFM delete mod to this motor in ANY vehicle that has it!!
I totally agree. Why not include the ‘07.5-‘14 years??
It’s an “emissions device”. They won’t offer to delete it
@@ChopsMahone your exactly right it's actually your local EPA fault and gm not wanting to discontinue the tried and true pushrod v8 trust me if the EPA wasn't around we'd have 5.3 v8s rolling around with no AFM
Catastrophic failure in 09. Result crate eng.
14’ silverado, 140k miles. Just spent $10k to replace my motor.
GM needs to make it right, but thanks for being smart and pointing out how class actions work. Attorneys will make millions and including GM's Defense attorneys, real plaintiffs will get peanuts. It's sickening
So why make the video? You are the same folks that will go out and promote a Hyundai, KIA, or Genesis product despite their class action lawsuit. A bunch of clowns 🤡
How it always works. The system isn't designed for us. It's designed against us.
Money grubbers
Remember gm’s fuel tank class action settlements ? They gave you a $1000 voucher towards the purchase of a new vehicle 😂 Gm’s an American embarrassment.
It is just insane to me that gm is still having this issue! I bought a 2007 suburban in January of 2020 with 120k miles. In June of 2020 an AFM lifter collapsed so I tore down the engine and rebuilt it myself (keeping the afm system because I didn't want to replace the cam and get a tune). I removed both heads and replaced all 16 lifters. The head gaskets were not matching so I assume that the truck had already had this issue before my ownership. In September 0f 2020, almost exactly 5000 miles later and 3 days after an oil change, another damn lifter collapsed! I bought a 2020 Toyota tundra out of frustration because those things are supposed to be bulletproof. My plan was to fix my suburban and sell it. I removed the engine, fully cleaned the internals and externals, upgraded the oil pump, and replaced all the bearings, rings, and seals you can think of. I put a BTR cam in it and LS7 style lifters to fully delete the afm system. I ended up keeping it because I think it's pretty cool to drive something I built and it has been reliable for the last 15k miles. So my question to GM is: why can I, a 22 year old who learned everything he knows on RUclips, build a more reliable 5.3 than one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world?
Because you don't have to answer to the EPA....
@@oddball0045 not exactly the same thing but I live in California and my suburban just passed smog 2 weeks ago.
@@braedenboss5636 because it's subjected to past the smog tests for the year that vehicle was manufactured. Newer vehicles have way stricter emissions standards
Because you actually have a brain 🧠
WORD!
Might as well sue them for the Transmissions and the faulty A/C as well! They know about that as well. Ohhhhh the pain of being a Chevy man!
Yes sir, 2016 Silverado, Trans went at about 112k, AC went at around 80k
@@dannydukes5 Lots of transmission and A/C failures at 15,000 to 20,000.
The 8 speed transmission is designed by ford, ford has the same problem with the same transmission
@@brianb1588 I’d heard this too that GM and Ford co developed the 8 speed. Lifelong Chevy man, but honestly was hoping this would have been good news when I heard it. I guess not 🙄
Yep may as well call all GMs defect don’t forget about their vacuum booster pumps that create hard pedal aka no brakes. Got told by the dealership burning a quart of oil every 800 miles is normal guess we will be going to an abnormal Toyota.
I am glad I kept my 03 all these years, instead of buying a new one. Still going strong.
Dynamic fuel management didn't start full production until late 2020. Also, it doesn't matter if you disable the AFM/DFM systemS the parts are still moving and can till fail.
I have replaced lifters and pushrods on 2021 5.3L with the system disabled from the factory(RPO YK9) due to lack of microprocessor.
Just finished a lifter job today on a 2021 Silverado RST. We disassembled a new and old lifter and the new lifters have different locks and a heavier spring.
Not sure about the USA but here in Canada we have a bulletin out right now to replace ALL lifters on BOTH banks if even just one lifter fails.
Is the issue resolved on 2022 and newer models?
I was told by a GM tech that a disabler that you plug into the OBD 2 port (I use one on my V6 Blazer) does help (he has seen them help first hand) the lifters last longer, but you are right they can still eventually fail at some point since they’re still in the engine.
Great Video!!! Love the channel!!! I too have a 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4, 2017 ZL1 and a 2009 ZR1. Over the weekend the GMC Sierra started to tick and sputter (no power). Limped into the dealership and awaiting a repair. It's been a couple of days and they still don't know what is wrong with the engine. I suspect it's a lifter issue as you noted. Love this channel and appreciate this video. TBD. Cheers y'all!
I have never trusted cylinder deactivation. It was always a problem waiting to happen. When I ordered my 2022, I specifically chose not to have the auto start stop option (yes it is a Ford). My dream truck was always a GMC HD in my youth. I don’t take joy in these problems at all. Hope GM pulls their head out, for the sake of consumers everywhere.
I agree, first time I heard of this, I was thinking "this is a terrible idea that will make trouble in the engine". My non-Chevy is a Mercedes with Auto Start/Stop and ironically, it never does it. I don't know why, it has a battery as big as a small engine under the hood that is brand new. It just never does it. Fine with me. Thanks.
The DFM issue has nothing to do with cylinder deactivation though. It's the lifters.
Gms are junk if you want avoid truck get a Ford
Oops I mean get a Ford have had them no engine problems
All gm dummie engineers have to do is have the computer shut off the injectors on certain cylinders
Personally my thoughts are I bought a V8. If I wanted my v8 to be a 4 cylinder I would have bought a 4 cylinder. Granted I’m antiquated in my thinking and still haven’t been convinced that a 1966 Chevy Belair is any worse than a 2022 Chevy Silverado. I see almost no benefits to these new vehicles given they have issues around the same mileage as an old carbureted v8. In fact my 94 Silverado had 400,000 miles before I rebuilt it knowing it didn’t actually need the rebuild but I was there and fixing another issue so why not
If you saw a crash test of an Impala vs an accord sized car ... The dummy in the Impala was so destroyed.
@@cuencaview8303 actually I did see that crash test however I’m im talking about not being convinced that a newer vehicle is any better than an old one I’m not exactly looking at the safety factor. I’m well aware in my 66 Belair I’ve got what is basically a spear pointed right at my chest along with a very solid dash with basically no padding. I’m talking from the perspective of longterm cost and drivability. In another 50 years today’s modern car likely won’t be on the road because there is a whole lot to go wrong.
The issue is that people who need a truck are likely the smaller group compared to people who WANT a truck.
Keep in mind this kind of focus on fuel efficiency over reliability arose from the post 9/11 world where gasoline first bounced around 4$/gal.
So auto makers were designing trucks for COMMUTERS who are too fat to fit comfortably in a sedan (cuz this is america) rather than tradesman and workers who know reliability and repairability are more important than finding how much metal you can turn into plaatic to shave a few pounds off etc.
And commuters care about gas prices. It's seriously so annoying btw just get an ebike to cut back on fuel dependency then you can drive your truck when needed.
They make a displacement on demand delete that gets rid of the issue with that, and a afm bypass and gets rid of all these issues cost is about 900-1000
@@oculophilia8724 Fuel efficiency has been in the cross hairs long before 911,Americans have been buying Honda and Toyota since the 70’s because of there fuel efficiency
My 2008 Silverado had a valve stick briefly so I deleted the afm with a super chips tuner and haven't had any issues since. It's been about 2 and a half years now and I'm at 260,000 miles. Makes life so much easier. 🤘
Heard that brother. My 08 has 245,000 on it. This truck is a shame in some ways and incredible in others. For as old as my truck is , it drives surprisingly good and so much of it has just been as stout as it can be. I still get compliments on it and some people less car savvy think it's a new truck. Some of the things done though just defy logic. So many cheap decisions made. It's frustrating to see a truck built so perfect yet so crappy.
Just be aware, you didn't delete anything with a tune. You just turned off the AFM function. The lifter is still in your engine. A delete is possible but requires all new parts and runs around $800.
@@andrewsbbq haha, of course. Using the word "delete" is just a phrase that is used. As long as the truck stays running in V8 mode, I'll be fine. If I ever have to tear into my engine to fix something, then I'll consider replacing parts for an actual delete. Thank you though.
@@armandohernandez1412 I dunno, even on the major GM truck forums one is known as a "delete" and the other as "deactivated" or "disabled". Symantics maybe for some, but is a key difference.
In any case, just pointing out the tune didn't delete anything in case you were thinking otherwise. All good 👍.
I have it disabled on my truck as well with tune, from 35,000km and currently at 210,000. Zero issues with this truck.
I'm in the same boat as you, if I need to open up the engine I'll get the Texa Speed delete kit and maybe cam.
I must have gotten lucky, my company bought a 2009 chevy 1500 with 14,000 miles on it back in 2011 and of course had afm. The truck made it to 247,000 miles and the #4 afm intake lifter failed. We have sinced changed all lifters on passenger side, and i bought the truck off of them. Now hearing noise from driver side lifters on start up, sometimes. Truck as of today now has 255,000. Must have been luck with the original lifters. 247,000 miles was a really good run. Currently getting all the parts ready to replace all 8 lifters of driver side, before they fail and cause more damage.
Cool shout out to Chase in LMFSCREW. He has some good truck content. His Trail Boss is a nice one too
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He's a cool dude. I have chatted with him a few times
I got a 04 5.3 hands down absolutely no issue with it. 250 thousand miles on it still pulls my boat strong every year in a side-by-side. It's just like all these newer vehicles of trash.
Im surprised this lawsuit only goes as far back as 2014 when in reality AFM goes back much further. I had lifted failure on my 2008 that cost a boat load of money to fix and ultimately the repair only lasted a year as the mechanic shop only replaced the one bad lifter. As it turned with some research I found that there were also two recalls, one to upsize the screen on the oil pressure sending unit and one for Lifter Oil Manifold Assembly itself. I decided to do the repair myself this time, and I mean repair the whole thing since the mechanic shop sucked so bad. But really it comes down the the AFM being such a garbage system that should have been discontinued years ago. After I fixed my 6.0 and I found the module to plug into the OBD2 port to bypass and never use that pile of crap system again. I only wish I could reimbursed for the 1000s of dollars I put into my 08 silverado
That's because Gm won that class action years ago.
do you have any more info on the recalls? my 2012 silverado just starting the fluttering today at 1000-1500 RPM is my valvetrain shot or can i switch to this other drive mode to save my engine from blowing up? please help me im very stressed out any more info on this drive mode would be much appreciated
@Noname23489 any updates??
Well heck, the Lawsuit should also include GM trucks from 2008 onward! Not to mention the faulty Transmissions & AC systems, which also has to be addressed.
The condensers with the shitty welds 🤦♂
Loved the video! GM really needs to get it together. I have a 2021 that has had 2 lifter failures and 2stuck injectors within the 1 year of my owning the truck. The worst part about it is I have always been about 1000 miles from home when it decides to take a crap on me.
That is crazy those crazy lifters collapsing
@@lamontgarrison3296 it’s is. It’s most of all a huge inconvenience. You buy a new truck for it to run properly!
@@alexandersoliman9841 I cut my AFM On my 2008 avalanche it ran like a top! That is a failed design I now own a 19 tundra TRD Pro! I want a another z71 Tahoe but damn they still got AFM/DFM??
@@lamontgarrison3296 yes they do. I want to do the delete or add the control box that lets me cancel it out but I’m scared it will void my warranty
@@alexandersoliman9841 I used a Range in my OBDII port ! Knocked it or get someone like Black Best tuning to program out !
This issue goes back a lot further than 2014!. In 2010 I bought a 08 sierra 4wd 4dr loaded w 21k on it, by the time it had 150k I spent $8,000 on AFM lifters 3 times and a rearend, I sold it with 2 collapsed lifters in 2014 never to buy a gm truck again till they fixed that issue.
I agree. Just spent 3000.00 on my 2009 Tahoe LTZ. I had a lifter failure. While the mechanic had it in he deleted the AFM.
CADILLAC HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM IN THE 80"S AND DID THE SAME THEY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS
I own a 2015 Silverado. Several years around this time are notorius for numerous repeat transmission problems. GM should be responsible for fixing these problems, NOT the consumer
I am 69 yrs old. I have owned nothing but General Motors cars and trucks since I got my drivers license in 1969. I have owned Pontiac's in the late 1060's. Then Oldsmobile Cutlass from 1977 until 1986, then Chevy Monte Carlo's until 1988. Then GMC Jimmy and GMC pick ups buying my last GMC pick up in 2017. I was trading every couple of years and never put more than 35 to 45,000 miles on them. I decided to just keep the 2017 since I was retired by that time still it had less than 60,000 on it and I dodged ever having the problems with the AFM/DFM. although I had purchased the plug in over ride device for $100.00 and it worked. I know the owner of my GMC dealer very well and had always bought my trucks through his dealership. I went by his home for coffee one Saturday in late 2020 and told him I was ready to get a new Sierra Denali. He point blank told me that with all the issues with engines and now transmissions he could not recommend buying one. Instead he sent me to a Toyota dealer where he knew the owner, he recommended a Tundra Limited. It came standard with a 5.7 V-8 and a 6 speed automatic transmission. No cylinder deactivation or the hated "Auto Stop" that cuts the motor off when stopped. A drive train with 8 years of service and no repeated issues. He found me the color I wanted with leather. I couldn't believe I was taking the plunge but I did. it's a new 2021 and Toyota's last year for their V-8. I'm so glad I listened to my friend, I love it, it drives great and the ride for a full size pick up is very good. I was getting around 17 miles to a gallon and 18 to 19 hwy in my 2017 GMC and the Toyota is about a a mile per gallon less on both. The Toyota doesn't have the styling and the interior isn't quite as nice of the Sierra or Silverado but at this age I'm not willing to fight the battles. I believe the 2022 Tundra's have the cylinder deactivation and auto stop. No more that I drive I believe this Tundra will out last me. I have always stuck keeping my vehicles serviced on time.
Love my 08 Silverado, has AFM as well. You have to know why our cars and trucks have this in the first place and then you'll understand the big picture. The government has regulations on minimum mpg standards and this is one of the manufacturers answers to achieving them. Too many government regulations is where this all stems from.
Have you heard what Biden wants for the new fuel regulations to be now. I’m not 100% sure but it’s around 45 mpg in the future. He’s trying to get everything to go electric. But our electric grid can’t hold up if everyone plugs in now. Jmo
@@kimchappell9559 and these stupid mofos are tearing down all of the Coal power plants like idiots, it’s a flat out conspiracy to me… how else are we being powered lol… they are banking on windmills and solar panels I guess…. We are being destroyed from inside out💯
I don’t get why people don’t understand this.
Yup you are correct
The government didn’t tell GM to not support warranty claims and not to fix the problems. Nor did the government tell GM to place a poorly thought out DOD system with reliability issues on millions of vehicles. GM is trying to bury the problem just as they did with the 6 spd auto problem. Don’t blame the government. Your continued support of GM by buying defective by design trucks makes it your fault too.
I can relate to this madness, lifters have failed multiple times eventually wiping the cam and toasting the motor. My only saving grace was having an extended warranty which eventually replaced my motor after spending 7 months at the dealer.Repairs have totaled to almost 20k, i was a die hard Chevy and GM guy. I’m getting rid of this headache 😕.
That blows I’m praying my 2021 has no issues
We need to boycott for two years and force them to do better. They build beautiful vehicles with faulty parts and technology.
Quitter
This is why I left.
Dealing with it now
Coming from a huge GM fan….GM needs to get their crap together and FIX THIS ISSUE! Not to mention the 8 speed transmission shutter that my 2017 Yukon Denali had. I did buy it used so I had no warranty. Luckily I have a good friend who is a GM mechanic and he flushed the system and put in the new revised fluid. But my last 2010 Sierra had the lifter issue around 90k miles and I deleted all that crap and had the ECU reprogrammed.
Friend of mine owns a shop and he is constantly doing AFM deletes on customer vehicles. He keeps the kits on the shelf along with LS7 lifters and options of different camshafts depending on whatever the customer wants.
We’re is this shop located because I want to delet before problem starts
I just did the afm delete in mine. Mine is a 2013 Silverado though, 195,000 miles. I disabled it in the the computer a couple years but figured I’d change out all the hardware to give me a reason to do all the gaskets anyway given the miles I had.
Has he ever had issues with the coolant surging and causing a click in the thermostat after doing a cam and delete with tune? Having a random click that is not related to rpm and not consistent. Can find my post on Silverado Sierra forum
I have had several lifters go out on 2 occasions but after the second time ( which was 3-4 months after the first time ) I did a Texas Speed full DOD delete and swapped out cam ,lifters, push rods and TC and gears. no more issues
What was the cost
Our '21 Silverado with the DFM L84 5.3 had the lifters fail at 585 miles. This happened almost exactly a year ago prior to the updated TSB guidance so they only replaced the damaged lifters on cylinders #6 and #8. I really hope this class action results in a recall with upgraded parts for current owners. I only drive the truck in L7 (8-speed transmission) to disable DFM and I still can get 20 MPG cruising on the highway without DFM in 7th gear. If I had known this was going to happen, though, I never would have bought the truck and really regret not going for the 6.6 gas 3/4 ton instead.
Did you drive in L7 before the lifters failed?
@@Ryan_Tinney No, I was only using D for normal driving when the failure happened. The check engine light flashed intermittently on four occasions when a lifter would stick. Post-repair I exclusively drive in L7 for normal driving and I've always reflexively shut off auto start/stop from day one.
GM is sending many of the new ones to the dealers and fixed before they sell them. My understanding is that it's not only the lifters getting replaced but the camshaft as well
Hope ya truck gets fixed. Hopefully mines doesn’t break, I have a 2020 LT 5.3 with 24k and it runs rock solid. This DFM/AFM stuff needs to stay out of cars and trucks. Trucks always get bad gas mileage anyways so there’s no point in improving it…
Jesus that’s horrible
Sadly that issue is why I sold my Silverado it was my first truck and I loved it. Couldn’t trust it anymore, but I’m very happy with my new Tundra :)
That's what I did
@@joshuathomas6275 do it! So worth it no regrets
That tundra is trash 🥱
@@MannyDelReal I said new tundra not THE new Tundra, I gots a 2020 bruh
Naturally aspirated motors in the Tundra all the way up to '21, after which twin turbo v-6's we're inserted.
My 2021 Trailboss had the lifter go and bent the pushrod at 6400 miles. Big let down but the way the dealership handled was even worse. Had it in the shop for over a month and wouldn’t give me a loaner because they apparently had none available.
My 2021 rst lifters collapsed and bent the rod at 12,000 miles
2020 trail boss LT 2500 miles. Was given run around! They put light scratches on my fenders and scratched my headlight!
SUCH AS SAME HERE TODAY #EXPRIENCING SUCH AGGRAVATION NOW WITH A 2021 CADILLAC ESCALADE ESV W/ only 8000mi on it, bought brand new last June 2021😡😤😤🤷🏾♂️
Yep. 2016 Yukon Denali 74,000 miles just experienced failed AFM valve lifter. Mainly all highway miles, we don’t drive in harsh conditions, make all service intervals, and we don’t tow and still had one fail. Several thousand dollars to get it fixed. Ridiculous that GM has failed to acknowledge this issue and leaving owners stuck with astronomical bills to have a drivable vehicle again.
$5000 for ONE lifter on my 2016 gmc sierra 1500 6.2. An absolute rip off. GM should face up to the sheer number of customers that are having to deal with this s*** all the time loss and huge dent on your wallet. Not fair. Hoping for a recall
Just found your channel and been watching the videos. Great info on all. Thank you. I have a 2021 Silverado LT Z71 4WD. I dropped a lifter at 7000 miles and it sat in the dealership for 9 weeks waiting for parts. Then at 18000 Dropped another lifter and sat at different dealership for 2 weeks waiting for parts. Now my truck has about 33000 miles and running low oil pressure on the guage. Start the truck up after sitting awhile and oil pressure is good. Drive about 10-15 miles oil pressure drops. When I say drops it is on the first line above 0. Warning lights come on and drive it to dealership (hoping motor would blow up to get a new motor) leave it running for them to look at it. They put the computer on it and says sending unit out of spec. I look at the service writer and said "Really thats what you see. Would have never thought that." So now what. No parts available and no loaner available. Drive it until we get the part in. Been driving the truck now for about a month and half. Got a call sending unit came in we will replace this Friday. Love my truck but do not love the issues with this one. I have had many a chevy truck and even tried another brand once and that will not happen again. Years of Chevy Trucks I have had: 1985/1997/1999/2000/2007/2013/2015/2017/2021
When I bought my 2018 5.3 Silverado in August of 2018 I thought the AFM is the coolest thing ever, best of both worlds! I drove the truck in D for its first 15k miles As I watched more videos and read more forum discussions I made the decision to drive the truck exclusively in L5. My 30 mile commute is all So Cal stop and go surface streets. Hopefully this decision will prolong the life of my trucks lifters. 31.5k miles and counting.
I turned mine off from the day I got it. Let’s see. 2018 5.3
Run castrol edge oil, Have 300k on my 5.3 and doesnt even burn oil and engine has never been apart
@@bcar1ify how did you turn it off I have a 2017 with 70,000 miles on it
@@absolutegreenllc8565 I got a Diablo Sport Tuner. There is an option for turning off AFM. The main reason I got it was to raise the crappy idle to 600 RPM. Smooth at that RPM for me
@@bcar1ify didn’t know how bad AFM was 😜
They need to do this from 07-13 as well
Hell yeah, my ‘09 silverado with a 5.3 failed at 90,000mi and chevy refused to cover it because it was 10 years after build date on it… smh.
There was one for oil consumption and Gm won. Also won the suit for 07-13 dash cracking.
My 2013 had a lifter collapse at like 140k luckily it was under warranty still so they got to replace it all and then it had an oil consumption problem
My 09 Silverado failed at 85,000 miles. GM covered it. At 150,000 miles zero oil pressure 24 miles from home. I floored it at the high speed # of (as u know well) 100 mph. Don’t know how it made it,but it got me home. The engine was shot to hell. Got a 2020 trail boss 6.2 slammed a (don’t buy this) supercharger. At 7,000 miles, blew a rear main seal and I so hot because When I’m done the 6.2 will have 8fiddy hp. GM’s fault😂😂😂😂
14 Silverado 5.3 140,000 miles. Runs perfect. I had a new dodge with issues before this and they wouldn’t help for shit. GM has been very good to me at least.
I also have a 5.3L but with 159k miles I have two lifter ticks one on each side of engine one I’ve had for 40k miles
Haven’t had to repair them thank god they’re just a little noisy in a drive thru
Any issues yet with your ‘14 yet? I know it’s been 4 months now
Great video. As a mechanic I see this way to often. Poor design or stupid idea to disable cylinders . Gm knew about this problem a long time ago. Hopefully they will now do something about it
When Cadillac advertised the 4-6-8 L-62 engine on TV, I remember watching and said to myself, not going to work.
It lasted one year.
GM which is my favorite brand did the active fuel management back in the 1980s and had the same problem, GM got rid of the motors and went back to regular engines. I have no ideas as to why the tech came back. My dad who is a huge Cadillac fan wouldn’t buy a newer Cadillac when this tech was on their cars. He always said to never buy the car with that motor.
They had to bring it back because of the epa putting regulations on trucks to get higher gas mileage by 2030. I can’t remember if it was 30 or 40mpg average that manufactures have to achieve but now they’re having to neuter trucks to appease these regulations.
Oh man the Northstar haha. My grandfather had one of those Caddys too and as a kid all I remember was it was constantly in a shop. He never bought a Cadillac again after that
@@themadmonarchist Trump offered to do away with the restrictions but the car manufacturers told him no.
👍🏁 please keep updating us on this problem love the videos
Thanks you for this valuable info. Sadly we have all known about this issue for a long time. I bought a default module as well. It plugs into my OBD port. So, I can take it on and off depending on servicing. Hopefully GM will now be FORCED to step up. All makes have their issues. In the end it’s not the issue as much as it is about how the companies handle these issues. So far GM is an epic fail. So, now we wait for the courts to decide. From a business standpoint, I get it. From a consumer and loyal customer, sorry, I don’t get it. GM knows about the problem and has known but still says, denied.
I did the same with my 2019 Silverado LD. I have 52K miles with no issues, probably thanks to the OBD module that deactivates the 4 cylinder mode.
@@bigtenbrutus it might deactivate it. But the mechanical portion of the lifter can and will still fail. Only fix is to delete it all togather.
we can thank the US government for forcing auto makers into the 'fuel saving" engine builds. Got a Silverado after fighting with Ford on the F150 cam phaser/sparkplug issues. I now have the PO304 code and engine tick with only 67K miles and no rough driving or heavy towing. Waiting on dealer appt. to see just how bad mine is and if the warranty will kick in. Pretty sure it is lifter/pushrod since moving spark plug/wire and COP did not stop the 304 code. Where can you get the AFM disable device? Saving a few pennies on gas is nothing compared to engine failure.
exactly right. CAFE standards force this crap on the manufacturers so they have to get creative to meet the mandate.
Range makes one that plugs in, to your OBII, 200 bucks
@@electriceye3942 They don't have to use crappy parts or half ass the solution to the fuel mileage requirements. Hybrid technology is well matured at this point, GM..Ford..or even Toyota could just put an actual hybrid powerplant in a full size configuration that would easily meet the requirements( as opposed to the joke "mild hybrid"). They can't say it wouldn't sell either...look at the demand for the F150 lightning. The car companies are just using the mileage requirements as a scapegoat for putting out subpar products.
The f150 still better them this garbage lifter collapse engine
We can thank corrupt and ignorant Democrats for destroying this country. There are also transmission problems in Millions of these vehicles. Mine was brand new (6.2L fully loaded, for which I paid $64K cash and thought it was a good deal), and the engine was dying, lifter ticking was insanely loud, belts squealing, misfiring, etc. etc.
This was the biggest reason I decided to go with the 4.8 when I bought my 2010 GMC.
This problem is what pushed me into the 3.0 Duramax back June when traded in my 5.3. I really wanted to get a 6.2 trailboss. I only personally know 1 individual that has experienced this so far, and that happened about a month after I got my truck. I think I made the right choice.
Lol those are far worse than the V8’s
@@khyoon14 how so? Give details to backup your claim otherwise you’re spittin nonsense
Got a 3.0 and I just put 24 thousand miles, been running good no problems even in this single digit weather.
@@thiagoarmenta8934 i got one as well for my 21’ denali and got it since may and i have no issues either. The fuel efficiency is amazing and you can’t complain about the 100k mile warranty
@@briansantos2206 whats your fuel bill compared to before? Does it offset the gas VS diesel cost to quantify going that route?
I am a firm believer in frequent oil changes to help REDUCE the chance of failure. Small holes in lifters can clog and prevent oil flow. Yes some will fail no matter what. I change my oil every 3k miles and use AMSOIL engine flush every third change. I also turned that system off through a tuner. Now have 45k miles. No issues yet
My son has an '09 Silverado with the 5.3. We have installed the AFM delete tuner and we change the oil every 3K miles as well. He currently has 119K miles on the truck and, knock on wood, it still runs strong with no knocks.
Change mine at every 3 k. Didnt help at all
Local police department bought a new 2021 Tahoe, ran 1500 miles, failed lifter. It didnt even make it to the first oil change. Replaced only the failed side under warranty, not both sides.
Have a 2013 with a 5.3 turned that shit off at 19k currently have 111k and Running great
Synthetic is key. It's so cheap nowadays there's no excuse to use conventional dino oil.
Hey man thanks for the heads up. My wife and I went yesterday to look at a 2017 black Silverado Black widow addition. As we were driving it we felt the slightest vibration at a stop. We asked them to check this out and when we got home I watched this video. Today we received a call from the dealership that this vibration was this very issue.
This will be a NO BUY for us. This ment a lot because we have never owned a Chevy, always Fords but this truck looked like yours, just damn mean... We loved it but thanks again man, you saved us some major headaches.
I recommend not to buy a black widow truck they have a laundry list of issues from the cheap lift kits they use. Buy a stock truck and have a off-road shop work with you on a good lift kit.
@@nick183ful Thanks for the tip.
I was always a Ford guy myself...until I bought my brand new F150 with the 5.0L in 2014. I knew there was an issue within the first 25k of owning the truck, I asked Ford on 10 separate occasions to look into the issue for me...they never did properly. Long story short, after 120k, and past my warranty, I was told I would need to replace the engine...the issue was EXACTLY what I told them I thought it was years earlier. Absolutely horrible experience with Ford, left a BAD taste in my mouth. I will never, EVER, buy another Ford ever again. *$&! Ford.
@@jerrybuck9236 i feel ya brother. I have been lucky with my Ford. The story behind my truck is in 1997 my wife and I went to buy a Torinado Red 97 F 150 4x4 extended cab off road package. Once we got there a white F 150 Lariet 4x4 drove off the truck and we bought it instead and my father bought the red one. In 2016 my father passed and we still ended up with the original truck.
In 2016 the truck had 61,000 miles and everything was still original down to the 4.6 V8. Now it has 87,000 miles, still all original with new tires. The truck is flawless and runs like a top.
We are blessed to have a vehicle this good because it ain't the norm by no way. Every make, model from all three are more than likely nowhere near dependable as mine and that's a shame.
You basically have to buy a $100k truck and put another $20 k in after market parts to have a dependable vehicle. It's like the Jeep Wrangler. They aren't bought great, the are built great after bought. It should really be criminal.
@@martinberry1960 100% agree. Glad to hear your dad's red truck has served your family well for so many years.
Just watched this video and have been following you for a month or so and pleased your 5.3 is doing well. I'm 4k miles into my 2022 LTD and pray I'll be blessed Not to have these failures. I'm 60yo and a Chevy 4Ever man, and by Gods grace never had an issue with them. Keep up the great channel young man. God Bless Texas 🤙
Hey man do yourself a favor an just buy a Range there $240 new I bought one on Facebook marketplace for $80 it disables AFM and DFM look it up everyone uses them it keeps it in V8 the whole time and is AMAZING will save you Thousands and the worry!
@@AlphaXVIgames "RANGE"... Ok I'll see what I find. 🤙
2022 RST here. Good luck on the truck!
I deactivated mine on my 2021 Sierra AT4 the first week I I got it and it’s in the shop as I type this for this very issue. I’m pissed. 🤬
@@fleafarts3576 ... I hope its a quick fix and covered. Can I ask what your mileage is and do you have the 5.3 w/8spd transmission.? Thanks and good luck to ya.
I'm glad this popped up. I needed a new truck, been defending buying a 2013 4.8 instead of anything after and this is exactly why I did that!
They need to extend this to the 2007+. I have a 2008 and the same thing happened. I tore into the engine, and discovered that whoever had the truck prior to me had the same exact problem. So I tore it apart took out the stock lifters, put in LS1 lifters and a new camshaft, and had the computer sent and wiped. It has been running like a champ ever since! As much as I love the 5.3 l and Chevy trucks, it ticks me off that they're not willing to do something about it!
GM said it was normal. lol If GM had fixed the problem back then, they wouldn't be getting sued now!! Makes you wonder about those fk'n engineers that get paid big money and put out shit like this!! I have a 2007.5 and my son has a 2007. His is a way better truck!!!
@@billmonroe8826 simple solution... Don't program the CPU with afm and put in the LS1 lifters from the factory. Great engine... Cheap ass Chevy executives!
@@mintac3672 I have it so it stays v8 and never goes to 4 it still has the same lifters. So, you just changed lifters and camshaft? My whole issue is the gm should have recalled them all. Nobody should have to pay this much for a truck and then end up with a junk setup!
@@billmonroe8826 lifters, cam and sent the computer to Texas for the v4 mode to be wiped. While I was in there changed the timing chain, oil bump...etc so I wouldn't have to do it another 100,000 down the road.
I’ve got a 2013 Suburban that failed a lifter. I did a total AFM delete and still have problems with loud ticking. This lawsuit should go all the way back to 2007.
I’m a GM Dealership Heavy line technician…. The lowest amount of miles I’ve seen lifter failure on is a 2021 Escalade and it had 800 miles… the bulletin for the lifter failure stated replace all 16 lifters if it was under “8000 mile break in period “ and if had more than 8000 then it’s only one bank…
How often do you see a vehicle roll in the shop for lifter issues?
Say in a 1 month period approx how many vehicles?
@@Motagraphy it’s about at least one a day sometimes more… and then they’ll sit because lifters and stuff will be on National back order.
Cheap bastards !!!
I have a 2019 5.3 and it has 46k miles and runs like a champion , I put the AFM/DFM disable from range technology at 43k miles and still running good 🤞
I also done that mines been awsome
How you find the truck on fuel now with the range?
Is this pretty different from having a truck that was manufactured without DFM?
@@newfie8181 I have a truck that was manufactured without DFM and I average about 20-22mpg. 5.3L crewcab slt standard box, stock everything for now.
@@newfie8181 terrible but who cares its a truck
Honesty and integrity always gets in the way of profitability...
I owned a 2014 Camaro 2SS 6.2L with a manual 6 speed transmission, which like you stated did come without he AFM system. Never had a problem and it was a beast. So I decided in 2/2021 to buy a 2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 Trail Boss LT. I LOVE this truck but right at 24,000 miles, welcome the lifter issue. When I spoke with the service manager at Powers Swain dealership in Fayetteville NC , he did tell me that they would replace all the lifters since they had the truck in the shop already. I also had to take it back at about 12,000 miles for a transmission leak. The shop told me that the leak was due to "loose" transmission pan bolts on one of the corners of the pan. "They fixed it." At my last oil service I asked the mechanic to let me look under the truck while it was on the lift. Needless to say the transmission fluid leak was still there, and it did not look like it was from the pan, it looked like one of the rear seals on the transmission was leaking and dripping which during driving, the fluid could be blown all over. I am two weeks and a payment without my truck and the hold up seems to be a back order on head gaskets. And I wait.
As much as I love GM they’ve been getting away with valve train issues since the LS7. These new 5.3 and 6.2’s are giving a lot of customers grief. Seen a few Trail Bosses with paper plates have suspension failure as well. Corporate America for ya.
Naw just need to buy you a better vehicle. Move on from Gov. Motors..
@@adamharris2674 shut up, ram is going through more transmissions than a fat guy... and ford with all those electrical issues... toyota is fine but nothing special... and nissan is just plain outdated. Overall, nobody's safe with any vehicle
I feel somewhat protected against these failures since disabling the DFM with the PulsarLT, and also stopping all that crud from re-entering the engine thanks to the catch can....and of course I would not have done any of this had I not stumbled upon your channel. Great content, keep it up, my 2019 Silverado 1500 LT thanks you as do I, especially since it now only has 9mos of factory warranty left on it.
I HAVE THE JLT 3.0, AND I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THIS MOD IS ILLEGAL, WHY THIS IS, I HAVE NO IDEA.
MY CATCH CAN CATCHES 3.0 OUNCES EVERY 6000 PLUS MILES. SO I GUESS EVERY FEW YEARS ONCE I HAVE TO START GETTING IT SMOGGED I WILL HAVE TO REMOVE IT.
@Jim jibroni I just re read my previous comment. Yes I will be re-installing the JLT as soon as the smog check is completed. I'm hoping JLT will get the CARB approved for California, this unit is a no brainer and the catch can proves it. 2.5 ounces every 6000 miles. I will be installing the PULSAR LT next month. It will be nice to have a full time V-8 and not a V-2 or even a 1 cylinder engine at times.
Don't be so confident, disabling will not stop the internals from coming apart. It just won't go into that mode but you till have a ticking time bomb under the hood.
I live in the Middle East and my daily driver is a 2013 Tahoe which is with me since new. Its lifters have failed twice in a span of 158000 miles out of which one replacement was under warranty the second one I paid for. The problem is there is too much truck to just let go just because of a lifter failure and I have decided to keep the truck until the next lifter failure happens. Much cheaper to get it fixed than get a new truck in these uncertain times that we live in, in my opinion.
I have a 06 monte Carlo SS with the 5.3 dod and so far no issues at 78k. I do change the oil every 3k and use 6 oz of marvel mystery oil. The answer to the Buick V8 question is, Buick Lucerne fwd. Some came with North Star V8 and other years came with gm 5.3 V8 with displacement on demand dod. Mahalo for the video and aloha from AZ..🤙
Remember the 90s chevy slogan “like a rock” thats the golden age of chevy, gm truck reliability . I remember my neighbor has 1996 v8 chevy truck- has 500k miles - and still runs to this day with same engine .
The thing I don't understand about big companies and this isn't just limited to automakers but large companies in general; is that they know of these issues pretty quickly after they are discovered. Whether that is through the owners of the vehicles or through their own internal testing. Instead of admitting mea culpa, they would rather sweep it under the rug and kick the can down the road until the wind pushes it back and hits them in the face via a class action lawsuit. I'll never understand this mindset, ever.
Same here but it’s about money. They were probably hoping the failure rates would be low and took a gamble. Rather then pay for all engines with the defect design. If they lose this lawsuit they will probably take another gamble and just extend warranty based on time or mileage instead of recalling the engines and/or transmission, a lot of car companies do this.
How much off these trucks are already totaled? $$$ Saved.
They should think about the long term if they don’t want to go bankrupt again.
Generally speaking, say a car company has a defective part on every car that will break within a few years. The corporate question is, will it cost more to replace the parts under a recall, or will the inevitable lawsuit cost more?
Most of the time if the fault is drivetrain or electronic related, the company will gamble with lawyers. If it is a safety concern - i.e. seat belt/air bag/ brakes they will recall the parts, cause the lawsuits would definately be costlier than the recall.
Its pretty shitty, but thats how most companies(at least large ones) operate, purely financial...
Because they figure it's lest costly to fix the issue, when it happens under warranty and then the consumer will pay for it after the warranty expires. So, in essence, they are saving money by NOT replacing them all in a recall at one time.
You also have to understand they are required to equip the AFM to meet CAFE and emissions standards. Otherwise they would be required, and likely will in the near future, smaller displacement engines with turbos or superchargers.
I do t know about current standards but I believe at one time the only v8 engines that could not have AFM and VVT were commercial. But that may have changed.
Interesting video! I have a 2019 5.3 silverado. This happened to me in July. Had the truck in for a torque converter warranty issue. Got the truck back 24 hrs later drove 8 miles and home had major top end noise called dealership and they recommended roadside assistance and brought it back to dealer. Failed lifter number 5 cyl. Dealer replaced only number 5 notified truck not running right on number 5. Diagnosed cam issue and replaced under warranty. Waited 7 weeks for head gasket (global shortage) Fortunately GM Canada provided me with a silverado rental covered by them at a cost of $4250 for rental. Got truck back and now left with no confidence! I hope there will be a class action here in Canada as well. This is the 4th new truck since 2014 Not sure what to buy next. My warranty was up at Christmas. This is BS a lot of money for something unreliable .
Literally dealing with this issues right now on my 2015 Z71 6.2L, lifter #7 blew while my transmission was being replaced during the test drive from transmission shop. Really makes me wonder if my transmission was even an issue, might wait to see what happens with this before replacing (not gonna drive it) Hope a recall happens soon.
The 8 speed GM truck trannys are very problematic too. We at my dealership had 9 of them we were waiting on the warranty department to get GM to pay off
I own 2015 Silverado 5.3. Had the lifter failure at 248,390 miles. That's right, I got 248,390 miles before lifter failed. I took the engine out myself and deleted the AFM system. Replaced all of the lifters with LS7 lifters, and ordered a HP Tuners unit and shut off the AFM at the computer. I reinstalled the engine and it runs like a dream. Best mileage so far has been 24.6 mpg. I regularly get 20-22 mpg. It has the six speed tranny. Yes, I love my truck, but I do not love the AFM system. It nearly destroyed GM when they developed it back in 1981. BTW I think they need to junk the AFM system along with MARY BARRA. BTW #2 If you get the HP Tuners unit, you can retune the transmission lockup that causes the torque converter failure. You see, GM has the torque converter going into lockup AT 11 MPH!!! You can disable that function for the first, second and third gears and not stress your tranny. While you are at it you should remove the thermostat for the transmission fluid. That thermostat opens up at 194 degrees (to save about 1/10 mpg of gas!) but it destroys the tranny. Just take it out altogether and enjoy your truck!
Man, you are a life saver. I'll do all that you recommended. Well get some mechanic to do, Not sure if it's a DIY thing. The thermostat I can do it. Thank you!
what kind of symptoms did you experience before it failed? my 2012 silverado just starting the fluttering today at 1000-1500 RPM is my valvetrain shot ?
Why are they only saying "from 2014 and up"? When from 2010-2013 automatic Camaros have the L99 which also has AFM and cylinder deactivation, surely they are a problem too??
Is there a way for others to get in on this class action lawsuit ? My 2014 Sierra did this and it cost me around $2400.00 out of my pocket on top of the monthly payments.
I want in in this too i got 2015 6.2 high country
I just got through paying 4 grand for the lifter failure in my 2018 GMC Denali. I am a life long GM fan, but this has me looking at other brands moving forward. Also, my 2014 GMC SLT also had the same failure, fortunately the factory warranty covered that one.
Damn
I have a 2014 Silverado 159k miles two lifter ticks but hasn’t taken out my camshaft or anything so I guess I’m lucky no loss in power either
Don't go Ram think Toyota
@@jackwillie2729 - Who would even think of going Ram?
I had hired a lemon law lawyer about 3 months ago and my hearing is in the month of April. Trying to get a full buy back or a cash pay-out that I'm hoping will be the cost of a new engine if and when the engine needs to be replaced.
This really pisses me off because they new of the problem years ago and like you said did nothing. Maybe if enough people sue them and win, they might think twice about not correcting a problem with an engine design flaw once it is brought to there attention.
What year do you have, Paul?
@@aFra109 2019 5.3 l ecotec engine and my lifters I think the number two lifter went out at 5,200 miles and then my radio went out my battery went out so the lawyer got a hold of said that I have a case so we'll see what happens
@@HowtowithPaulHenderson here is what I wrote above reply to this video. Copied and pasted but you can see my situation. I wonder if I should try the same thing as you - - - “I’m in a similar boat to the one you referenced in the lawsuit. 2021 5.3 LT Trail Manager. 7250 miles was my first lifter issue. They replaced just the lifter that was damaged and gave it back to me. 9350 another failure and they replaced the bank of lifters on the other side. So, I still have 3 more potential lifter failures heading my way. The dealer stated they were not authorized to replace all the lifters when I mentioned the TSB on my first go-around with this crap. Here are the other issues with my new truck : new drive shaft is on back order since the summer. It makes a loud ping/ting sound under load or shifting load from forward to reverse. They said it’s a drive shaft. I am also now having Electrical issues ever since the first lifter problem. My 4WD fails even if I’m not in 4WD or want to be. Just a light that pops on along with rear park assist off light. Check engine light has happened with these codes and the dealer can’t replicate or find any loose wiring to fix. The codes stored and active are starter A and starter B failure. Communication failure from the ECU, loss of communication to the radio. CAN bus problems and low voltage. I have not changed any of the incandescent lights to LED either. I hate my truck. I have asked the dealership service manager to call me tomorrow and see about them buying the POS back from me. I have yet to trip 10k miles on it because it’s in the shop all the time. And I only got a rental/loaner once from them. What a nightmare. A $60,000 nightmare. Thanks for sharing. Love the content of this channel, keep up the awesome stuff, man.”
@@HowtowithPaulHenderson thanks man!
I have a Ford F-250 with a 6.2 liter engine and still going strong at 375000 miles amazing truck one of my best investments.
Damn I like the Silverado and was thinking of buying until I watched this video. Most salesmen now days will lie and say this has been repaired just to get the sale. With the price of trucks these days I will not waste my money and buy a Chevy. Thanks for the video
Thanks for posting this. First I've heard about it. I've got a 2015 Silverado with the 5.3L. Ticking noise from the engine since the first day. Luckily, no disasters yet, but I've only got 17k miles on it at this point. Repeated complaints to the dealer were always explained away as 'that's normal" or "it'll go away after break-in", but basically just saying "fuck off". As a side note, I was getting 14/15 mph city, until they did a transfer case software update about a year after I bought the truck. Since then, it's been 7 - 8 mph city. More complaints, more bullshit excuses.
My rods and lifters went in my 2020 trailboss. Traded it in as soon as I got it back for a 2021 ranger. Best decision I ever made. I’ll never buy another GM product
If the ticking is up top it may be the injectors. The high pressure fuel rails will do that - very common in vettes.
Lol yeah after 36,000 miles it will start burning oil a quart every 800 miles dealership said that’s normal also when it leaves you on the side of the road they will tell you that’s normal also 😂
@@anthonymakley1530 wow glad I got rid of mine. I used to have a 2011 focus with 190k miles and it didn’t burn a drop of oil. It pisses me off more that dealerships try to tell you it’s normal.
I have a 2016 5.3
Most of the time I have a knock up top. Sometimes it does not knock. I am going to take it to the GM house this week to see what they say. Btw 97k miles
I have noticed an odd issue with v4 mode, it causes transmission shudder in the 6L80 at low rpm low load cruising speeds 45-60mph, idk how or why the two could be related but it does, I wonder if it's the root cause in why the 6L80s fail so often. I had a 6l80 fail at 103k miles on a 18 2wd with a 5.3 and the new gm reman is pullin the same bologna.
This needs to extend to all models. Depending on severity it can cost thousands to repair. I did a quick repair on my 2010 in the driveway. Just one side, cost $600 and took 8 hours to do
my 2011 i paid 14K for it collapse 6 months after ownership
In 2016 my 08 Tahoe LT with the 5.3 had #1 lifter failure (AFM). Had it repaired using the Allstate warranty I paid for when I bought the truck. What a nightmare pain that was to work through. One year later IT DID IT AGAIN!! Allstate coverage is total crap and shady. At this point I had a GM certified rebuild put it, and I paid the difference of cost. Since 2017 it has been fine with no more lifter issues, but I want my money back GM!! You owe me.
There is a bulletin out that has existed for a very long time that describes how to make engine upgrades that prevent this from occurring. My GM rebuild came with these upgrades.
Owned 2000 Silverado, no major problems. Got a 2011 Silverado, nothing but problems, till lifter took motor out. Then 2014 Silverado, nothing but problems, oil pump and new trans 120k. Now, tundra, haven't been to shop in 2 years. I miss the guys at the shop, seems I saw them weekly if not monthly.
What a shame been a year since this post and still nothing
Sad part is when you delete this system with aftermarket parts and have the vehicle tuned by someone that knows what they are doing the vehicle will get better fuel mileage running on all 8 cylinders all the time
Yup but it will void your warranty
Thank God I got rid of my Trail Boss a few days ago, it was 2019 and I feel for the poor soul that gets if from CarMax. It was about dead.
Did you make a profit on trading it in?
I know some trucks are being traded in for more than payed for because of chip shortage and new vehicles being hard to come by
@@gregb9264 made $600. Someone is going to be very unhappy.
@@pike54545454 I take it the lifters were ticking?
Thanks, ALSO Transmission issues with the 8 speed. They don't want to honor those either.
I was hoping to find info on excessive oil consumption on my 2021 z71 5.3 with 12k miles, 1.5 quarts between oil changes
I think I'm going to be getting mine deleted on my '08 Silverado this summer hopefully. I've got it turned off for now with my Bullydog GT. But I think I'm going to finally pull the trigger on it and get better internals as well, forged, better cam, lifters, etc.
Ps. Thanks for the great video and info as always! Your awesome. Love the videos, keep it up!
@Jim jibroni still a lot cheaper than buying a new one with all the issues I've heard. And I've been planning awhile to do this. Also depends on all that you want to do besides just deleting it too. Making what you got even stronger/ better.
I would delete it ASAP!! I bought my 08 5.3 crew cab brand new in March 08 and my lifters start going bad at 100k or so my friend replace all of them and re did my heads just in case and deleted that stupid fuel management shyt… I can’t believe these new ones are having even more problems. GM needs to get their shyt together not acceptable at all smh 🤦🏻♂️
It's a miserable system. In November I took a road trip with a Pulsar LT installed. I got 21 mpg on I-95. Out of curiosity I removed the Pulsar and did the same road trip (FLA to NC) I got 17.7 on this trip. DFM is a waste!
That’s good to know I might get one
GM should give us 10 year 100k mile warranties, like many other manufacturers already do. I had a pump in my torque converter go our with just 1200 miles left on my 60k powertrain warranty. Total cost for repair, including a rental while it was in shop for 3 weeks, would have been over $4k!
Yup my hummer h3 converter overdrive went out at 70,000 mi. I changed fluid it at 50,000 and put it amsoil . Well dealer claimed torque converter was bad batch from a supplier.
Dangs ; it’s a cutthroat business -
All em got their problems; but why can’t they just refine them instead of redesign. EPA pressure crap.
GM stooped that warranty after the whole Terrain/Equinox debacle.
They can reduce the warranty to 3 years, 30k miles, as they know most of the sheep will continue to buy them. They don't care, they just want your money and loyalty.
What other manufacturers? You mean Kia and Hyundai ?
Lifelong/3rd generation GM loyalist.. just traded in my ‘17 Silverado with 59k miles for a ‘21 because my ‘17 had several issues already.. if I start having issues with my new one, I will never buy another GM product again. So far so good with the new one hope she keeps it up
Aloha and mahalo for this video bro, glad I saw this because I’m in the process of buying a Chevy Silverado 1500 6.2 trailboss and had no idea about this, till now. So again, mahalo!
Wow all the complexity of AFM to gain 1mpg seems dumb but then again the government sets the fuel efficiency standards lol
California drives a lot of this shit. It makes sense for the manufacturers to build to the strictest measures. Same reason we have a 3rd cat under the truck. It's practically worthless but it has to comply to California standards
Thanks for doing this video on this CA Lawsuit. Keep us informed. Just curious, do you use a full synthetic engine oil in your Silverado truck and how often to do you change your oil? Did the CA Lawsuit mention anything about engine oil type that may have impacted failures? Also, I had the same smile on my face as you did, back in 1977 when i removed my BBQ grills (same as your truck) from my 1977 Trans Am and put Glass Pac exhausts on to give it an awesome sound.
No the oil doesn’t matter. My 2020 trailboss, oil changed at 2k miles, then just before 6k. Rods and lifters went at 8k. They’re making junk engines. I traded it in for a 2021 ranger as soon as I got it back. I’ll never give GM another penny. When you spend $60k on a truck you expect it to last longer than 6 months
For the 07-18 trucks if you aren’t consistent with oil changes even by a little bit that’s how these lifter issues start. Always change the oil every 5k with a full synthetic. Every time someone goes over or starts to neglect their truck is when they start complaining about the issues. For some reason these trucks just can’t handle long oil change intervals well. 2019+ trucks are a totally different story. They’re awful, that’s just terrible workmanship and quality.
@@UntamedOutdoorsmen I’m not saying you’re wrong, but they also just built them wrong. Mine blew up at 8k miles and I had already done 2 oil changes with Mobil 1 full synthetic. Sure some people neglect them, but GM also made them like junk.
@@lesterparker1594 yeah I agree with you I had an 09 sierra did very tedious maintenance and never ran into a singular issue regarding lifters. Doing the same thing on my 2014, afm disabled, less miles and has lifter clatter and noise just like the rest of them. 14-18 aren’t bad trucks but they’re definitely worse then 07-13. 2019+ have reached a new level of awful and bad quality. Nothing you can do to prevent the issues you had.
Chevrolet knew about this since 07 with the AFMs
I've worked on almost a thousand of these vehicles since 2002 with all of them having the exact same problem..... I have continuously steered my customers clear of any GM products since 2002....
what kind of symptoms did you experience before it failed? my 2012 silverado just starting the fluttering today at 1000-1500 RPM is my valvetrain shot ?
My 2021 Silverado 4 cylinder turbo, performance is insane. Great engine. 320 horsepower, 9,300 towing capacity . Has already 19 k miles . No issues
My 2021 Trail Boss (5.3) just went in the shop today with the lifter issue. Will be stopping by tomorrow for and update. I will be pushing for both banks top be replaced. We will see how that goes. Thanks for the great video.
The other problem is, if its still a problem with new engines then GM clearly doesn't know how to fix the problem either. They should sue the feds and EPA for all the restrictions they put on manufacturers for miniscule mpg gains.
Sucks that the 2010's aren't part of it :(
We have a 2017 GMC YUKON XL SLT and just had this exact problem and surprise surprise the dealership only replaced one side. After reading about this and watching all the videos I’m counting the miles until we have to replace the other side.
This is why I specifically ordered a 4.8 despite the sales guy pushing hard for the 5.3. The frame of my truck will rust away before anything happens to the motor.
Simple is always best.
Extra power on that 4.8 is a just nitrous bottle away...
Sooooo, the AFM/DFM aren't on the 4.8's?
@@willg.5168 nope. All eight, all the time.
Dude your garage is nicer than some peoples houses. Love it.
Das some nice rides Hawaiian!! been having lot of problems with my 2019 Silverado also and hear a lot of people in da isles jumping on some lawsuit. Hope they wins can fix mah truck asap! Ok Hawaiian take care Aloha.
Good ol Chivy, it’s all about the dealer experience, where you’ll no doubt spend a lot of time.
I'm going to be looking at this closely, I bought a 2018 with 27k on it. At 35k the lifters failed and my truck died as I rolled it into a dealership down the street from me. Never to start again, they replaced the motor and I can tell this one is having the same noises and low oil pressure it suffered from when the previous motor went out and I'm only at 22k.
My 2015 GMC Sierra 1500 with the 5.3 L engine went haywire one morning while driving to work. I drove it directly to the dealer that my extended warranty was with. They gave me a rental vehicle while mine wad being repaired. Been running fine ever since.
Gm should be Ashamed of themselves 😡 Great Research Bro U the Man 💯💯💯
My 2013 Silverado 1500LT gave me a lot of issues with the oil system.
Spent over $6000.00 later.
Just so the technician to tell me I need a new engine.
That was $8000.00 for that.
And since my warranty was expired GM
Would not give me a break on price.
Even though the engine was proven defective from manufacturing.
By their own technicians.
Have a 11 Suburban with 256k. Vehicle has been in the family since brand new. 130k trans failure and replaced. 150k low oil pressure / afm failure engine replaced. Since I got my hands on it (180k) I've been doing the following; Mobil 1 full synthetic every 5k miles or 6 months. I also run a range disable device. So far, no issues. But if it goes down I'll be doing a full rebuild
My friend has this problem on his 2019 GMC Sierra with 140K miles. His 2008 GMC Sierra before this truck went 300K. My other friend's 2006 Avalanche has 350K and still going. My 2006 Ridgeline has 170K miles and going strong (also doesn't have all the nanny's thank god). Regarding the new generation of cars and trucks--Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Hay thanks. That was a very detailed video. I have a 14 and a 17 silverado. The 14 alway had a little tapping noise, but regular oil changes it keeps on going. The 17 so far so good. Already been researching delete kits out there. But for now ill just keep regular Maintenance and cross my fingers. Thanks great video.
Learned about AFM shortly AFTER I bought my 15 sierra. Luckily the warranty I purchased with it will cover it.