Agreed. This was the chance for Wonderland to have their coaster that would make them a destination park. Instead they stick to playing to the Wonderland average guest
@@jasonbyl8695 We don't even know the layout or stats yet or even the confirmed manufacturer and you're already jumping to conclusions?! Seriously for all we know this could very well be the world class destination coaster. Remember never judge a coaster until after you ride it.
@@jasonbyl8695It has the record setting dive coaster, the 3rd most coasters in the world, and 2 S-Tier hyper coasters, with levitation having the 6th highest drop in the world after being built 12 years ago. It’s a destination park.
@@jasonbyl8695 Wonderland already IS a destination park. 2nd most coasters in the world once this one is complete, the first B&M Giga coaster, with STILL the 6th highest coaster drop in the world, and a Dive coaster that holds all of the Dive coaster records.
What big, major attraction had Zamperla designed and built from the ground up? I think they’ve only renovated existing large coasters (two Intamins so far?). Hoping it is Mack, Intamin or Vekoma. Don’t really want to be a Zamperla test site.
I think CW will be CF’s test park again. They will build a shorter, less amazing layout of multi launch coaster on Wonderland, and build a better and more complete layout on their other park - say Kings Island. Like Leviathan to Fury 325. I just can see it.
It will always be that way. While Wonderland has high attendance, average guest spending is low. Til families outweigh teens this is how it's going to be.
You are spot on. They don't need the biggest here because they have the dumbest patrons paying the most money. Why put in the best when it's already the top money making park. $52 for an xl pizza just to start. Lmao. Never fly south of the border
@@michaelhughes7472 it's not high. Most Wonderland guests have season passes and the dining plan. Compare that to the major US Cedar Fair parks and Wonderland is middle of the pack. Hate to say it but if Wonderland wants higher guest spending they need more families to visit the park more often. It's a known fact families tend to spend more at parks then teens and young adults
What are you comparing all the different footer designs to? Unless I've missed a crucial video somewhere there hasn't been any spotted on site at Canada's Wonderland.
@@hogle25a lot of coasters have issue especially when prototypes are involved. modern Zamperla still need to prove themselves. Give them some time before we criticize again.
TT2 was such a success when I was there opening weekend and there were very few downtime. Meanwhile SteVe and Maverick were down every 25 minutes. Whatever ride we are getting, it won't be as intense on the coaster due to not going 120mph... I'll be happy with 75-80mph and going a hyper's height level to join the other top coasters in the park. It'd be hilarious if TimeWarp was specifically taken out for this ride as a nice gesture from Zamperla. Now I'm going to look at what other ride models they have that we might get in the future.
The thing that worries me about Zamperla is the execution. Yes, TT2 is phenomenal and better than the original. The trains were super comfortable and the launch was very good. But they technically only added a new launch a vertical spike to the coaster. How will they do with a full ground-up coaster layout? It seems like wonderland is taking a massive gamble if they go with Zamperla. And no offense to wonderland, but their coaster collection is not good enough to take such a risk yet.
Retracked Wilde Beast would actually be an amazing ride and I can easily see it happening. It has the same layout as Grizzly at Kings Dominion and that ride is great now that the roughness is removed
How do you think this coaster will be propelled out of the top of the mountain? If you’re saying it is Zamperla then won’t the only possibility be a zamperla vertical launch?
Why? The concept layout they've posted for the lightning coaster looks great, and it looks like it could do everything a coaster from Intamin or Vekoma could do.
@@namevoneFor sure. Gotta stay positive till we know the model and specs are. Family coasters can sstill have great airtime moments and that goes a long way IMO.
@@namevone, because there are manufacturers out there with proven experience creating hit attractions. Zamperla has the Thunderbolt. Can’t think of any other custom attraction they’ve designed and built from scratch.
@@namevoneNever said that. Just wish they would do so in a different market and bring us something even better after all they learned from whoever ends up being their beta testers. Let us get a Fury 325 or Helix version instead of the prototype.
I'm sorry but Cedar Fair hasn't worked with Intimin for a while, Idk why Zamperla wasn't considered the front-runner. They were chosen over Intimin to work on TTD and they did the Wild Mouse as CP. I personally never thought that Intimin was even considered for this project.
Assuming that the exit out of the top of the mountain is the highest point on the ride and that this is a normal multi launch coaster, the maximum speed of this coaster will be at least 110km/h.
If Zamperla has crew from Intamin and had to model a long vertical section on Top Thrill, they could easily program how a vertical (or near vertical) launch could work. Besides, Wonderland has already integrated two other coasters into Wonder Mountain and Intamin already put another launch coaster in a mountain at a sister park of Wonderland before (RIP)
@@chez_calabrese whatever they’re called doesn’t matter. At the end of the day I have ample proof each manufacturer has a distinct design for their threaded rod cages and “anchor bolts”
From the company that brought you the reimagined coaster that broke in a week comes their first ever large coaster to Canada's Wonderland. Introducing Downtime, CWs new ride for 2025!
TT2 and its wheel issue (rumour) will be the sacrificial lamb for our coaster to open without issues. They will have the polyurethane compound corrected.
Exactly. Everyone wants to cry about zamperla, but one thing they were trying to accomplish was to have a consistent ride with top thrill 2 in all temperatures. My understanding to is the urethane was the issue. Notice the wheels on TT2 have very thin urethane.. could the cold winter have caused the issue.. Whatever the issue is, they found it and you can bet it won't be an issue for wonderlands new coaster.
Most offer a discount the more attractions you purchase from a manufacturer. With Cedar Point getting the their new wild mouse and TT2 it adds up. You’re correct, Zamperla has several engineers from previously Intamin on their team. After experiencing TT2 and Dragster I can honestly say TT2 is better. A longer ride, the backwards spike is awesome etc. It’s a more well rounded attraction now.
After marathoning Voltron earlier this week, I'm sad it's not likely to be a Mack. (Voltron lives up to the hype, which was a pleasant surprise for me) Whatever it ends up being, I'm glad Wonderland is getting a new coaster and hope it'll be reliable and lots of fun.
I could see Vekoma and also Zamperla because according to the pictures they use very similar footers just the height (like how tall) the footers rise up hopefully this makes sense
Honestly as long as the 2025 coaster incorporates a Zero G-Stall somewhere in the layout im all board with it because that's something we haven't seen at the park yet
I swear who chose to name a coaster voltron? You're probably too young to remember this but back in the early 80s, 84 to be exact there was a Japanese anime cartoon series of that same name. In which five lion themed vehicles combined to form a massive robot piloted by five individuals....one piloting each individual lion.
It will definitely be Zamperla. Cedar Fair is in a bromance with Zamperla. They are desperate to showcase their newer generation stuff to the world. So Im sure they gave Cedar Fair a major discount compared to what Intamin or any other major manufacturer would charge. It is common place for most major park chains to sign multi ride contracts with manufacturers to get a better deal on each ride. With them just finishing TT2, it just makes perfect sense that they would then move on to this project. It will be interesting to see what they can do. My only concern is you generally get what you pay for.
@@user25 for real, like it’s sickening because who says their first choice manufacturer is zamperla like this isn’t a small park we shouldn’t be getting a zamperla🤦♂️
You do realize this isn't the same Zamperla as back then. Zamperla has spent a lot of time and money and resources in upping their coaster division in recent years. They even have multiple ex Intamin employees on their team. Vekoma did the same thing back in the mid 2010s and look where they are now. Top Thrill 2 (despite experiencing an extended closure which is common for prototype coasters of that scale) has gotten rave reviews from people who have ridden it.
@@bigblueamusementproductions their latest concept coaster are still trash, watch a pov and count the number of turns vs the number of elements that aren’t turns you may surprise yourself
CW has always been the test dummy in Cedar Fair for new ride models and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Zamperla come to CW. That being said hopefully they’ll be able to deliver, and hearing the massive overhaul they’ve had in the company, from engineers to designers and people coming over from Intamin, I think this ride will still be top tier.
My issue isn't that it might be Zamperla. My issue is that Cedar Fair (Six Flags?) is doing what Paramount Parks always did in going with the cheapest thing possible.
TT2 was definitely not cheap as well as it's pretty common knowledge that it's a better overall ride than its predecessor. I was much more worried it was going to be Premiere tbh.
Funny enough, CF is basically being run by Paramount execs. Richard Zimmerman (CEO) was GM of Kings Dominion under Paramount and Tim Fisher (COO) was GM of Kings Island under Paramount.
Oh its gotta be Zamperla. CW has the highest seasonal attendance in NA, its always been Cedar Fair's Proving Grounds for that reason. Think Guardian being the first (and now only) Triotech Dark Ride. Leviathan being B&M's first Giga. It makes sense then that they'll use this to see what Zamperla can do from the ground-up. Likely way cheaper than Intamin and if they can produce something that is close to the level of Velocicoaster my expectation is that we'll be seeing alot more Zamplera in the future. I'm game for it. TT2 looks sick. Lightning trains look sick. Multi-Launch layouts look sick. Lets get it.
Honestly, I don't mind! Top thrill 2 I'd waaaaay better than the original and the trains feel just like intamins new trains. If it's not intamin, zamperla absolutely is the 2nd best option. Still super excited for the new coaster :)
The percentages guessed on this channel have changed and swung often, why is everyone taking it as a sure thing? It might turn out to be Zamperla but a couple of weeks ago it sounded like Intamin was close to a sure thing. Regardless of the manufacturer it will likely still be one of CW's best coasters. Having said that, I don't get the love for Zamperla regarding TT2. They didn't change the layout at all apart from the spike. What wonderland really needs especially considering the supposed path of this upcoming coaster is a great layout, something Zamperla hasn't been known for. Can that change? Sure, and having the new lightning model is encouraging but it's far from a sure thing compared to some other manufacturers.
No one knows, the intros feel like a waste of time where viewership is lost because they're wasting the most important part of the video where you want to hold a viewer's attention with cheesy animations that add little if anything at all to the video
Top Thrill 2 is closed at the moment, i think Cedar Fair has to much faith in Zamperla as the new 2025 coaster could be a mechanical nightmare for the park.
I don't think this will be that much of a mechanical nightmare for the park, because right now, top thrill 2 is closed because that is a test coaster, they are closing it to perfect the ride system so the park doesn't have future complications. In my opinion, i think zamperla will do a great job with this coaster.
Eh. Was hoping for an Intamin but it’s not too big of a deal especially when being reminded that most of Zamperla’s team came from Intamin. I had the tiniest feeling it would come to this though and that’s why I didn’t get my hopes up. Regardless, I still think this coaster will be good.
Lastly, just because you have another company's defectors, this certainly does not make you the best in the business. In addition, you needed to crest the 100mph mark to impress anyone in Canada and I just don't see that happening with this ride anymore and that's very sad. Should have stuck with the winged coaster if you were going to make a mockery of this CW! So let me get this straight ... a winged coaster in 2030 and an over 400 or over 100 mph in 2035. They must be using the Wal-Mart model thinking all Canadians are suckers.
Zamperla? That must be why three of the cars are missing from Time Warp, they're the basis of Project 2025. Heck, they'll probably connect them to put the warp in Time Warp, saves on station building costs.
@@Yimi.Garcia You've never been to Wonderland lol. 2nd most coasters in the world once this one is complete. Wonderland has the highest attendance for a reason, it's an S-Tier park, way better than Cedar Point.
@@dukezap1no it’s not😂 I’m a Canadian, I live very close to canadas wonderland and I’m a season pass holder, but I know when admit that cedar point is far superior
Every video has shown percentages and I’ve stated as much as it can be Intamin it can also be Zamperla. I encourage you to go back and listen and watch.
@@michaelhughes7472 happens with a prototypes anything for a company. Many ride in the past have closed due to other reason and now they are great. Look at steel vengeance original break run. RMC built their first break runs and was a flop took months to fix. You could say that thier engineering was a flaw but they fixed it and have not had problem since. People still said the loved steel vengeance at the time even with its flaws
It's shaping up to be a good ride regardless but it's the optics for me. I think if Cedar Fair were to put in an Intamin it would show that CW is on par with, and taken as seriously as, the other flagship parks - Carrowinds, Kings Island, Cedar Point etc. This would give Wonderland at least that one "I have to go there and ride it coaster" which other parks in the chain have. As it's probably going to be Zamperla, I feel the optics once again sent to Wonderland patrons is that the minimum is enough. This is a prototype park where, eventually, the best version of the ride will exist elsewhere. Wonderland hasn't an absolute, number one ride and with the investment that is being made in the park it's crazy that they aren't going with a tried and tested manufacturer (of that kind of coaster) that will no doubtably deliver a banger of a rollercoaster. Canada's Wonderland used to be my home park but now I live overseas. I, however, always visit when I go home. For the longest time I thought rides like The Bat and Flight Deck were great - moving away and finally going to other parks around the world made me realize, sadly, what we don't have. I'm not the biggest enthusiast, but I really enjoy rollercoasters and these are only my thoughts.
9:39 TT2 was a retrofit of a coaster built over 2 decades ago, so TT2 being better than TTD really isn’t anything to shout at. (Thats not even to mention the fact that the second best part of TT2 exists because of a difference of heartline, which will not be the case of any custom coaster, and also CW isnt getting a huge spike like TT2 has, so once you eliminate those two factors TT2 has nothing going for it except poorly built trains) It doesn’t change the fact that zamperla has and still makes some of the least creative, most boring layouts ever, and this isnt something that has changed. The Zamperla concept you show on screen many times throughout the video is proof of that. That concept ride has more turns than non-turns. I don’t mean to sound rude but i would be very suprised if zamperla does anything excellent with this coaster, and doesnt make another mediocre ride. To think we could have had a B&M, a Vekoma, a Mack, or an Intamin and yet CF chooses this… unfortunate and disappointing is all i have to say about this coaster
As I kept saying: it makes no sense after CF blatantly gave away Intamins baby Top Thrill Dragster to Zamperla that there is currently a good relationship between CF and Inamin. I for one am happy with Zamperla. Much better than Premier IMO
I really don’t see wonderland going with Zamperla over B&M. Wonderland knows they need reliability and capacity which they didn’t know at all from Zamperla. Intamin would make sense when you look at a ride like velocicoaster. If they’re gonna spend a lot on a coaster I really don’t see it being a prototype launch from an unreliable company
Again, I keep watching this video with more and more disappointment! Why?? ... Their coasters are JUNK. Top Thrill 2 is their best, and all it is, is an Intanmin redesign. Cedar Fair dropped the ball on this when they went away from a winged coaster! So unless this is 400ft, which I highly doubt, this is a HUGE disappointment for CW...!
Remember when CP went with Intamin instead of Morgan for Millenium Force? I think CF/CW knows what they're doing here. For the record, 12 rides on TT2. VIVA ZAMPERLA!
@@Danrarbc I didn't say they weren't good. I implied that CP was wise to choose intamin at the time. What followed for CP and Intamin is essentially what made intamin's name what it is today. A morgan giga would have definitely been a downgrade from Millenium Force's ride experience and we'd likely have never seen maverick as a morgan would have occupied some of that area. That assumes CP would have worked with intamin in 2002, 03, 07 even if they went with morgan for their giga.
I love how so many people 💩 on Zamperla and act like all the other coaster manufacturers didn't have the best starts in their early days too. I want to see what Zamperla wants to bring to the table. Their flat rides are unparalleled in the industry, and they have proven they can innovate and evolve with the best of them. Some "thoosies" need to chill and stop being such blow hards. Ffs people, give them a chance instead of being so pseudo intellectual and elitest.
@@SwaggehGaming the ones that most parks buy, yes, the ones that carnivals buy, no, those rides are thrilling and intense. IDU why six flags keeps buying the giant discoveries when they could get the bigger Power Surge models. Hello!
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Zamperla should take time warp away from Wonderland in exchange for our 2025 coaster.
"just give zamperla time warp"
Xtreme skyflyer was removed, time warp is kinda cool imo
Well, no longer excited, once again we are screwed over, top speed of 90km/h is absolutely terrible
Agreed. This was the chance for Wonderland to have their coaster that would make them a destination park. Instead they stick to playing to the Wonderland average guest
@@jasonbyl8695 We don't even know the layout or stats yet or even the confirmed manufacturer and you're already jumping to conclusions?! Seriously for all we know this could very well be the world class destination coaster. Remember never judge a coaster until after you ride it.
@@bigblueamusementproductions I understand what you are saying. While it could be that coaster, I have my doubts due to Wonderlands track record
@@jasonbyl8695It has the record setting dive coaster, the 3rd most coasters in the world, and 2 S-Tier hyper coasters, with levitation having the 6th highest drop in the world after being built 12 years ago. It’s a destination park.
@@jasonbyl8695 Wonderland already IS a destination park. 2nd most coasters in the world once this one is complete, the first B&M Giga coaster, with STILL the 6th highest coaster drop in the world, and a Dive coaster that holds all of the Dive coaster records.
I really hope it's not zamperla
What big, major attraction had Zamperla designed and built from the ground up? I think they’ve only renovated existing large coasters (two Intamins so far?).
Hoping it is Mack, Intamin or Vekoma. Don’t really want to be a Zamperla test site.
One thing I can guarantee is it’s not a Mack at all
Dang, I was just getting excited for a verticle launch coaster
I think CW will be CF’s test park again. They will build a shorter, less amazing layout of multi launch coaster on Wonderland, and build a better and more complete layout on their other park - say Kings Island. Like Leviathan to Fury 325. I just can see it.
It will always be that way. While Wonderland has high attendance, average guest spending is low. Til families outweigh teens this is how it's going to be.
@@jasonbyl8695 not to mention CW has no other competing parks nearby whereas in the states, parks tend to be closer in distance.
You are spot on. They don't need the biggest here because they have the dumbest patrons paying the most money. Why put in the best when it's already the top money making park. $52 for an xl pizza just to start. Lmao. Never fly south of the border
And not sure who wrote what, but average guest spending is actually high at CW, Not low. Bad stats.
@@michaelhughes7472 it's not high. Most Wonderland guests have season passes and the dining plan. Compare that to the major US Cedar Fair parks and Wonderland is middle of the pack.
Hate to say it but if Wonderland wants higher guest spending they need more families to visit the park more often. It's a known fact families tend to spend more at parks then teens and young adults
I hope the title is click bait I want intamin
Cedar fair is not I REPEAT NOT working with intamin ever again.
I want them tooo😭😭
I'd prefer Gerstlauer over intamin.
@@michaezell4607they can only hold onto grudges for so long. they will eventually
all these new intamins been having issues tho
What are you comparing all the different footer designs to?
Unless I've missed a crucial video somewhere there hasn't been any spotted on site at Canada's Wonderland.
Everyone will see them shortly
Damn, Italy's rides are as unreliable as their cars so I pray it's Intamin... PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASE!!!
Also, why would Zierer not work?
As someone who works at the park and operates a Zamperla i really hope its not because ALL of the Zamperla rides at the park are faulting ALL THE TIME
That’s old Zamperla, new Zamperla has some major engineers on their team that can do anything Intamin can
@@AmusementInsidersTT2 on line 1...
Yeah "new" like the guys who made top thrill 2....
@@hogle25a lot of coasters have issue especially when prototypes are involved. modern Zamperla still need to prove themselves. Give them some time before we criticize again.
Don't build something and charge millions if it doesn't work
Hopefully they make it as intense as possible instead of cutting it down to please the GP like Tundra Twister.
TT2 was such a success when I was there opening weekend and there were very few downtime. Meanwhile SteVe and Maverick were down every 25 minutes. Whatever ride we are getting, it won't be as intense on the coaster due to not going 120mph... I'll be happy with 75-80mph and going a hyper's height level to join the other top coasters in the park.
It'd be hilarious if TimeWarp was specifically taken out for this ride as a nice gesture from Zamperla. Now I'm going to look at what other ride models they have that we might get in the future.
Velocicoaster is super intense with a max speed of 70mph. Layput is the critical element
So if true Zamperla will be responsible for the best and worst rides in the park
if it was vekoma, they would've had the same problem
It's a little early to give Zamperla credit for having the best ride in the park....
Look at the train wreck going on with TT2.
@@TR_145top thrill 2 is a good ride idk what ur talking about, but the reliability is well… something
I dont think this is a good thing. Zamperla still sucks
@@TR_145 still better than a multi-million dollar lawsuit after years of mechanical problems with TTD. TTD was a financial nightmare
Do you believe this coaster will still feature inversions?
The thing that worries me about Zamperla is the execution. Yes, TT2 is phenomenal and better than the original. The trains were super comfortable and the launch was very good. But they technically only added a new launch a vertical spike to the coaster. How will they do with a full ground-up coaster layout? It seems like wonderland is taking a massive gamble if they go with Zamperla. And no offense to wonderland, but their coaster collection is not good enough to take such a risk yet.
As long as it’s not a B&M it’s a step in the right direction. Now RMC Minebuster and re track Wilde Beast and I’ll be a happy camper.
I would gladly take that - Zamperla launch but with the other funds going to RMC Minebuster/fix up Wilde Beast. Yes sir!
Retracked Wilde Beast would actually be an amazing ride and I can easily see it happening. It has the same layout as Grizzly at Kings Dominion and that ride is great now that the roughness is removed
I would also love to see RMC Minebuster but I don’t think Cedar Faur works with RMC anymore
How do you think this coaster will be propelled out of the top of the mountain? If you’re saying it is Zamperla then won’t the only possibility be a zamperla vertical launch?
No way if it’s actually Zamperla imma cry
Why? The concept layout they've posted for the lightning coaster looks great, and it looks like it could do everything a coaster from Intamin or Vekoma could do.
@@namevoneFor sure. Gotta stay positive till we know the model and specs are. Family coasters can sstill have great airtime moments and that goes a long way IMO.
@@namevone, because there are manufacturers out there with proven experience creating hit attractions. Zamperla has the Thunderbolt. Can’t think of any other custom attraction they’ve designed and built from scratch.
@@highoctaneadventure so you have no interest in a company trying something new?
@@namevoneNever said that. Just wish they would do so in a different market and bring us something even better after all they learned from whoever ends up being their beta testers. Let us get a Fury 325 or Helix version instead of the prototype.
With the fact that TT2 shut down after 8 days I REALLY hope it’s not Zamperla….
tt2 was a prototype in every aspect lmao, this will be an improved design
I'm sorry but Cedar Fair hasn't worked with Intimin for a while, Idk why Zamperla wasn't considered the front-runner. They were chosen over Intimin to work on TTD and they did the Wild Mouse as CP. I personally never thought that Intimin was even considered for this project.
Assuming that the exit out of the top of the mountain is the highest point on the ride and that this is a normal multi launch coaster, the maximum speed of this coaster will be at least 110km/h.
Big deal
If Zamperla has crew from Intamin and had to model a long vertical section on Top Thrill, they could easily program how a vertical (or near vertical) launch could work. Besides, Wonderland has already integrated two other coasters into Wonder Mountain and Intamin already put another launch coaster in a mountain at a sister park of Wonderland before (RIP)
Did you ever think you would spend so much time thinking about threaded rod?
Lmfaooooooo we joke about this in discord. I know so much about coaster threaded rod now. Down to spacers and cages lol 😂
@AmusementInsiders lmao after this, one of the manufacturers will probably hire you
Meanwhile they are actually anchor bolts but who cares 🤓
@@chez_calabrese whatever they’re called doesn’t matter. At the end of the day I have ample proof each manufacturer has a distinct design for their threaded rod cages and “anchor bolts”
@@AmusementInsiders you’re killing it!
From the company that brought you the reimagined coaster that broke in a week comes their first ever large coaster to Canada's Wonderland. Introducing Downtime, CWs new ride for 2025!
Haha
TT2 and its wheel issue (rumour) will be the sacrificial lamb for our coaster to open without issues. They will have the polyurethane compound corrected.
Exactly. Everyone wants to cry about zamperla, but one thing they were trying to accomplish was to have a consistent ride with top thrill 2 in all temperatures. My understanding to is the urethane was the issue. Notice the wheels on TT2 have very thin urethane.. could the cold winter have caused the issue.. Whatever the issue is, they found it and you can bet it won't be an issue for wonderlands new coaster.
Oh man. Maybe the vortex replacement is a zamperal too 😅😅 I was really hoping forba new-age vekoma
Most offer a discount the more attractions you purchase from a manufacturer. With Cedar Point getting the their new wild mouse and TT2 it adds up.
You’re correct, Zamperla has several engineers from previously Intamin on their team.
After experiencing TT2 and Dragster I can honestly say TT2 is better. A longer ride, the backwards spike is awesome etc. It’s a more well rounded attraction now.
I 100% would've preferred Premier. Their sample layout of a lightning coaster doesn't impress me. It won't be elite.
After marathoning Voltron earlier this week, I'm sad it's not likely to be a Mack. (Voltron lives up to the hype, which was a pleasant surprise for me) Whatever it ends up being, I'm glad Wonderland is getting a new coaster and hope it'll be reliable and lots of fun.
If its not vekoma Intamin or B&M I’m going to cry
there will be many tears in your lifetime if you are going to cry about this
@@fantasy8833 haha 🤣
Looks great. Doesn't matter to me now. I know the new coaster will be epic and totally insane.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I could see Vekoma and also Zamperla because according to the pictures they use very similar footers just the height (like how tall) the footers rise up hopefully this makes sense
Honestly as long as the 2025 coaster incorporates a Zero G-Stall somewhere in the layout im all board with it because that's something we haven't seen at the park yet
Why was Gerstlauer ruled out?
Not a match at all threaded rod and footing wise
Okay
Let’s go Zamperla!
What about the wing coaster?
I swear who chose to name a coaster voltron?
You're probably too young to remember this but back in the early 80s, 84 to be exact there was a Japanese anime cartoon series of that same name. In which five lion themed vehicles combined to form a massive robot piloted by five individuals....one piloting each individual lion.
It will definitely be Zamperla. Cedar Fair is in a bromance with Zamperla. They are desperate to showcase their newer generation stuff to the world. So Im sure they gave Cedar Fair a major discount compared to what Intamin or any other major manufacturer would charge. It is common place for most major park chains to sign multi ride contracts with manufacturers to get a better deal on each ride. With them just finishing TT2, it just makes perfect sense that they would then move on to this project. It will be interesting to see what they can do. My only concern is you generally get what you pay for.
I still think it's Intamin, as Wonderland's CF testing grounds. In a perfect world, it would either be Intamin or Vekoma.
I guess we didn’t learn our lesson from time warp😂
My exact thought, zamperla is responsible for the least creative layouts. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me
@@user25 for real, like it’s sickening because who says their first choice manufacturer is zamperla like this isn’t a small park we shouldn’t be getting a zamperla🤦♂️
@@johnathanbrands2616this is exactly how I felt when I first heard Zamperla was rumoured
You do realize this isn't the same Zamperla as back then. Zamperla has spent a lot of time and money and resources in upping their coaster division in recent years. They even have multiple ex Intamin employees on their team. Vekoma did the same thing back in the mid 2010s and look where they are now. Top Thrill 2 (despite experiencing an extended closure which is common for prototype coasters of that scale) has gotten rave reviews from people who have ridden it.
@@bigblueamusementproductions their latest concept coaster are still trash, watch a pov and count the number of turns vs the number of elements that aren’t turns you may surprise yourself
So why do you think zamperla said they didn’t have a thrill coaster planned for 2025?
Probably under strict orders to not leak anything or speak on anything after accidentally leaking top thrill 2
@@AmusementInsidersso I guess it’s time to look for shipments from Italy
CW has always been the test dummy in Cedar Fair for new ride models and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Zamperla come to CW. That being said hopefully they’ll be able to deliver, and hearing the massive overhaul they’ve had in the company, from engineers to designers and people coming over from Intamin, I think this ride will still be top tier.
My issue isn't that it might be Zamperla. My issue is that Cedar Fair (Six Flags?) is doing what Paramount Parks always did in going with the cheapest thing possible.
TT2 was definitely not cheap as well as it's pretty common knowledge that it's a better overall ride than its predecessor. I was much more worried it was going to be Premiere tbh.
Zamperla reportedly had the lowest price out of all the bidders for TT2
Funny enough, CF is basically being run by Paramount execs. Richard Zimmerman (CEO) was GM of Kings Dominion under Paramount and Tim Fisher (COO) was GM of Kings Island under Paramount.
Canada's Wonderland Should get a Launch Coaster Just like Kingda Ka and Top Thrill 2. :)
That would be terrible for how much people come to wonderland and they don’t have no space for it
What if this a zamperla version of the coaster at universal that could be cool if it turns out to be like that
In Brendon i trust.
no vertical launch?
Why do you think they didnt talk about it in the podcast??
Maybe this was so last minute they did not want to say anything untill they had the coaster drawn up and secured the contract.
Zamperla or Intamin, either sounds good to me!
Why don't you show the footage of the threaded rod at CW?
I have to my patreons
When will you to us?
@@AmusementInsiders oh ok
Here’s hoping Zamperla can pull this off… maybe they could do some work on TimeWarp while they are here.
Anyway I am here for the 2027 B&M 🥺
sbf visa strata launch cant wait
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
okay bro youll live
@@krcf3912have you ridden Time Warp? He actually might not
@@krcf3912 so true cutie
Oh its gotta be Zamperla.
CW has the highest seasonal attendance in NA, its always been Cedar Fair's Proving Grounds for that reason. Think Guardian being the first (and now only) Triotech Dark Ride. Leviathan being B&M's first Giga. It makes sense then that they'll use this to see what Zamperla can do from the ground-up. Likely way cheaper than Intamin and if they can produce something that is close to the level of Velocicoaster my expectation is that we'll be seeing alot more Zamplera in the future.
I'm game for it. TT2 looks sick. Lightning trains look sick. Multi-Launch layouts look sick. Lets get it.
Looking forward to the Lightning trains. Hope they fix the defect(s) soon for TT2.
oh please nooo.... why not venom or intamin
Honestly, I don't mind! Top thrill 2 I'd waaaaay better than the original and the trains feel just like intamins new trains. If it's not intamin, zamperla absolutely is the 2nd best option. Still super excited for the new coaster :)
This assessment seems right given Intamin's reliability issues. Pity, in my opinion, because they make the best rides.
I said it before a Zamperla family launch coaster there I said it again
The percentages guessed on this channel have changed and swung often, why is everyone taking it as a sure thing? It might turn out to be Zamperla but a couple of weeks ago it sounded like Intamin was close to a sure thing. Regardless of the manufacturer it will likely still be one of CW's best coasters.
Having said that, I don't get the love for Zamperla regarding TT2. They didn't change the layout at all apart from the spike. What wonderland really needs especially considering the supposed path of this upcoming coaster is a great layout, something Zamperla hasn't been known for. Can that change? Sure, and having the new lightning model is encouraging but it's far from a sure thing compared to some other manufacturers.
yeah the predictions change a bunch
I describe the changes every time and have CONSISTENTLY told my audience the three manufacturers we were observing as possibilities.
I'm still really excited idc
I haven't paid attention to all your earlier videos but have you not ruled out gerstlauer?
Why is there a steam train in your intro?
No one knows, the intros feel like a waste of time where viewership is lost because they're wasting the most important part of the video where you want to hold a viewer's attention with cheesy animations that add little if anything at all to the video
sunday was insane.
1+ hours to get out of the parking lot...
oof
Top Thrill 2 is closed at the moment, i think Cedar Fair has to much faith in Zamperla as the new 2025 coaster could be a mechanical nightmare for the park.
I don't think this will be that much of a mechanical nightmare for the park, because right now, top thrill 2 is closed because that is a test coaster, they are closing it to perfect the ride system so the park doesn't have future complications. In my opinion, i think zamperla will do a great job with this coaster.
Eh. Was hoping for an Intamin but it’s not too big of a deal especially when being reminded that most of Zamperla’s team came from Intamin. I had the tiniest feeling it would come to this though and that’s why I didn’t get my hopes up. Regardless, I still think this coaster will be good.
This is not a bad thing for me, both will still be amazing! Also I hope this doesn’t come off as rude but is the podcast not happening anymore?
The podcast is off till fall
Imagine if it is B&M 😂😂😂
I would cry and call the park : B&M land
I am sure they are sweating if they went with zamperla. lol. Look at tt 2 disaster at cedar point.
Finally wonderland is adding a new roller coaster
I wanted Intamin💙💙
I'm very glad I'm moving away from this area, but they could'nt even get Top Thrill 2 right. What a joke! This company is trash... imho
Nobody should be surprised since Cedar Fair stopped working with Intamin and didn’t even use them to modify Dragster.
i want to watch this so bad rn but i have to do my homework... bruh. i have a entire story due tmr and i havent even started. im dum
Dumb*
Lastly, just because you have another company's defectors, this certainly does not make you the best in the business. In addition, you needed to crest the 100mph mark to impress anyone in Canada and I just don't see that happening with this ride anymore and that's very sad. Should have stuck with the winged coaster if you were going to make a mockery of this CW!
So let me get this straight ... a winged coaster in 2030 and an over 400 or over 100 mph in 2035. They must be using the Wal-Mart model thinking all Canadians are suckers.
Zamperla? That must be why three of the cars are missing from Time Warp, they're the basis of Project 2025. Heck, they'll probably connect them to put the warp in Time Warp, saves on station building costs.
Did they not learn from Timewarp
Did you not learnt that they don't make those kinds of rides anymore
@@frenchtoast4491 how dumb do you think I am
If it isn’t intamin and it actually is zamperla I’ll never go to the park ever again
Well good! One less person in line for me!
Okay Canada wonderland will be fine without you 😂
@@bigblueamusementproductionslmao have fun with mid tier rides🤣 I’ll be at the cedar point with the best rides in the world
@@Yimi.Garcia You've never been to Wonderland lol. 2nd most coasters in the world once this one is complete. Wonderland has the highest attendance for a reason, it's an S-Tier park, way better than Cedar Point.
@@dukezap1no it’s not😂 I’m a Canadian, I live very close to canadas wonderland and I’m a season pass holder, but I know when admit that cedar point is far superior
The threaded rod indicates zamperla! As written! Lisan al gaib!
Ok you have been saying it’s intimate for weeks
Now Zamperla?
Every video has shown percentages and I’ve stated as much as it can be Intamin it can also be Zamperla. I encourage you to go back and listen and watch.
i mean ive heard nothing but positive things about tt2 so zamperla would be great either way
Hard to say anything about tt2 since it's broken already.
@@rdabadie thing happen when it is prototype trains and thier first large scale coaster ever
What? It's broken with no return date
@@michaelhughes7472 i meant the ride experience, obviously new rides go down it happened with steve it happened with millie it happened with magnum
@@michaelhughes7472 happens with a prototypes anything for a company. Many ride in the past have closed due to other reason and now they are great. Look at steel vengeance original break run. RMC built their first break runs and was a flop took months to fix. You could say that thier engineering was a flaw but they fixed it and have not had problem since. People still said the loved steel vengeance at the time even with its flaws
Top Thrill 2 is closed for an unknown duration while Zamperla addresses a mechanical issue with the coaster's trains
It's shaping up to be a good ride regardless but it's the optics for me. I think if Cedar Fair were to put in an Intamin it would show that CW is on par with, and taken as seriously as, the other flagship parks - Carrowinds, Kings Island, Cedar Point etc. This would give Wonderland at least that one "I have to go there and ride it coaster" which other parks in the chain have. As it's probably going to be Zamperla, I feel the optics once again sent to Wonderland patrons is that the minimum is enough. This is a prototype park where, eventually, the best version of the ride will exist elsewhere. Wonderland hasn't an absolute, number one ride and with the investment that is being made in the park it's crazy that they aren't going with a tried and tested manufacturer (of that kind of coaster) that will no doubtably deliver a banger of a rollercoaster. Canada's Wonderland used to be my home park but now I live overseas. I, however, always visit when I go home. For the longest time I thought rides like The Bat and Flight Deck were great - moving away and finally going to other parks around the world made me realize, sadly, what we don't have. I'm not the biggest enthusiast, but I really enjoy rollercoasters and these are only my thoughts.
9:39 TT2 was a retrofit of a coaster built over 2 decades ago, so TT2 being better than TTD really isn’t anything to shout at. (Thats not even to mention the fact that the second best part of TT2 exists because of a difference of heartline, which will not be the case of any custom coaster, and also CW isnt getting a huge spike like TT2 has, so once you eliminate those two factors TT2 has nothing going for it except poorly built trains) It doesn’t change the fact that zamperla has and still makes some of the least creative, most boring layouts ever, and this isnt something that has changed. The Zamperla concept you show on screen many times throughout the video is proof of that. That concept ride has more turns than non-turns. I don’t mean to sound rude but i would be very suprised if zamperla does anything excellent with this coaster, and doesnt make another mediocre ride. To think we could have had a B&M, a Vekoma, a Mack, or an Intamin and yet CF chooses this… unfortunate and disappointing is all i have to say about this coaster
Please for the love of god not zamperla trash….. that’s the most boring news of all time…. That would ruin wonderland
Honestly just glad it’s not Premier, I would much rather see the potential in a new gen Zamperla launch coaster
Hopefully TT2 is up and running by the time CW's 2025 ride is opened.... then again. 😮
My sources were such garbage. lol.
Looks like another boring and generic Leviathan type coaster ?
As I kept saying: it makes no sense after CF blatantly gave away Intamins baby Top Thrill Dragster to Zamperla that there is currently a good relationship between CF and Inamin. I for one am happy with Zamperla. Much better than Premier IMO
Coaster fans are the biggest cry babies
So it's a Zamperla Lightning Launch? I'll bite...
I was sad at first but but zamperla is okay.
I really don’t see wonderland going with Zamperla over B&M. Wonderland knows they need reliability and capacity which they didn’t know at all from Zamperla. Intamin would make sense when you look at a ride like velocicoaster. If they’re gonna spend a lot on a coaster I really don’t see it being a prototype launch from an unreliable company
Again, I keep watching this video with more and more disappointment! Why?? ... Their coasters are JUNK. Top Thrill 2 is their best, and all it is, is an Intanmin redesign. Cedar Fair dropped the ball on this when they went away from a winged coaster! So unless this is 400ft, which I highly doubt, this is a HUGE disappointment for CW...!
Everyone's upset it's zamperla but at least it's not B&M all their coasters feel the same
I would much prefer a B&M over a Zamperla
Remember when CP went with Intamin instead of Morgan for Millenium Force?
I think CF/CW knows what they're doing here. For the record, 12 rides on TT2.
VIVA ZAMPERLA!
The Morgan hypers are good though. With their MCBRs toned down.
@@Danrarbc I didn't say they weren't good. I implied that CP was wise to choose intamin at the time. What followed for CP and Intamin is essentially what made intamin's name what it is today. A morgan giga would have definitely been a downgrade from Millenium Force's ride experience and we'd likely have never seen maverick as a morgan would have occupied some of that area. That assumes CP would have worked with intamin in 2002, 03, 07 even if they went with morgan for their giga.
@@TrueLies23 you definitely have not ridden Steel Dragon 2000. It's better than MF by a mile lol.
@@SwaggehGamingyou definitely missed my point. Go back and read it again. No one is sitting here hoping Canada's Wonderland is building a morgan.
@@TrueLies23Definitely a great choice. Intamin had all the Superman coasters as proof of concept. They could have also gone with Arrow again.
I love how so many people 💩 on Zamperla and act like all the other coaster manufacturers didn't have the best starts in their early days too.
I want to see what Zamperla wants to bring to the table. Their flat rides are unparalleled in the industry, and they have proven they can innovate and evolve with the best of them. Some "thoosies" need to chill and stop being such blow hards. Ffs people, give them a chance instead of being so pseudo intellectual and elitest.
I want to see what zamperla brings to the table too, just not at canadas wonderland until we know it’s good
@@JD-rox control your self entitlement
Most Zamperla flats are really boring. They look cool, but when you ride them they are very tame.
@@SwaggehGaming the ones that most parks buy, yes, the ones that carnivals buy, no, those rides are thrilling and intense. IDU why six flags keeps buying the giant discoveries when they could get the bigger Power Surge models. Hello!
@@FAFO4wisdom you just tryna pick a fight with everyone in the comments today?
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