You guys are total heroes for testing this on camera and proving that the main precaution most people take (if they even bother at all) does literally nothing!!! Let's hope real world practice starts to reflect your findings!!!!
Another piece of advice : NEVER trust just putting the tow-strap's end loop over the ball on the hitch of your truck. It may shear off and beome a deadly missle. I know of at least one incident of this happenig. The ball went through the back window of the other vehicle and struck the driver in the head causing severe head injuries.
Yip, I know of a situation where a passenger took a 2" hitch ball to the eye socket. Went to town to the hospital with the ball in his head and only ended up losing an eye. Talk about lucky.
What is needed is a series of loops stitched on the strap so a cable can be clipped to it and clipped to another part of the vehicles. This is be very effective
@@Drottninggatan2017 Handbrake? Are you sure? That dozer only had steering brakes which are foot operated. And there's no way to "set" them without pushing and holding on them with your foot. This applies whether it's a manual gearbox or powershift. Most of the time your use the blade as a parking brake but this dozer didn't have a blade on it. But I agree, the dozer wasn't stuck, not in the most general meaning of stuck, like in the mud. Depending on how long it had sat there, the rails may have been frozen, which can be worse than being stuck.
now that is propper testing ... ... good on you guys .. must have cost a couple of bucks ... but .. it served no bs stories ... this was the real deal ...
What’s also interesting about these tests is that line dampeners don’t work. If a 10lb bag of sand won’t stop a broken line, there’s no way those ARB blankets are going to do anything.
That's because they only used one damper, which is wrong. You need a damper on each end, so when the strap fails, the end that fails already has the weight on it. Putting it in the middle lets whichever end fails to build all the momentum and inertia that drags the damper with it.
Grills are plastic, lol, doesn't take much destroy them. Awesome video, though. I see all kinds of advice, not much real world testing. Nice to see some for a change. Personally, the only thing that scares me is tow point failure, or a metal cable failure. As far as the strap breaking in the middle, straps are weakest where they are sown, but when you stretch it over a span between two points, where do you think the highest stress force is? Just something to think about. That comment reminded me of some tests that were done at where I work on our electric recovery winches. (I can't say the brand, so nobody ask). Anyway, some guys were doing test pulls to the stall rating and they kept breaking cables. Our guys contacted the maker and the maker said it was because that model did not have cable support groves on the drum. the funny thing is the cables tended to break in the middle. I wasn't directly involved, or I probably would've told them not to even bother with their tests, but, it wasn't my department. I let them do their thing.
How about using the dampener bag 4-6 feet from the attached end of the rope like all the 4wd people do? You're trying to reinvent the wheel. Your dampener is in the wrong spot.
With the last one, the bag was on the ground and tethered. I think if the bag was closer to the line of force of the strap it would not have been flug into the air.Now if you did testing with the bags nearer the ends i wonder if this would have yeilded a different result. The strap may not gain to much inertia before being captured.Even going crazy and using 3 bags. Either end and in the middle.
People on a neighboring farm in the early 70’s got a tractor stuck and they tried to pull it out backwards using a stretching type rope. The rope broke and struck the guy in the stuck tractor instantly killing him. My dad didn’t trust using those stretchy ropes for pulling anything out and we always used chains.
Wow, some great lessons here. For starters: Get more capacity than you think you need, like at least 5x vehicle weight. never use a shackle to connect 2 straps mid- line. And NEVER stand in line with your recovery pull.
That’s why minimal crash cages on equipment is essential. Coming from a world where people kept their families fed by dragging timber out of forests behind skidders there is more than one tragic story where these components were overlooked and allowed to take to many hits just to fail and allow a high tension cable into the back of the driver’s head.
This was awesome as information for me to keep from something happening if a winch cable or strap fails. Unpredictable every time and I can't believe it was throwing that 10lb bag of sand around like it was. I will be so much more careful from now on!
Put a elektronic waight beten them, so you can see how mutch kg you puul with, use a waghit for a cran truck, they put on the Hug when they lift it, so they can see how mutch a pallet waight.
Great vid love the slow mo.. Unbelievable how that 10lb bag flew like it weighed nothing. Would've never guessed that'd happen and makes me realize my rubber floor Matt I hang in middle of my ARB snatch strap is gona do not a damn thing if it fails. Good to know someone out there is working on this issue! Are u guys private or work for the manufacturers testing these things? Only asking cause u trashed a couple hundred bucks worth of recovery gear! Lol... Anyway great vid very informative and also badass tractor u got there man very cool...
+2wheelobsessed Well, a mat is using a completely different technique to slow the strap/line down. The sand bags attempt to use mass to absorb the recoil, mats/blankets use air resistance.
+Ditch Hitch Will for sure check your stuff out. I take my recovery gear very seriously but if I'm honest safety is usually not much of a concern. Stupid I know, but vids like this show dumb asses like me what actually happens when these things let lose... Will look at your gear and try an invest in some safety items. Thanks again.
Off road we just toss 2 towels over the line. tons of straps break I have NEVER seen this fail us. Always stops it. A sand bag is stupid as shit. You want air drag without weight. as for Extra straps and what not That will be a nightmare with all the mud. so screw that. Anyways that's my look at it.
I have never broken "any" of my straps, but I would still rather be hit by a strap, than a wire rope, chain or a clevis on the end of a strap that failed. I would never use a chain to pull out something "stuck", I would use a chain to tow or pull, not stuck or buried. If you use the rubber band effect of a strap it does some of the work for you!
I'm not sure why you wouldn't think something capable of pulling 8000lb woudln't chuck a 5lb bag of sand. Maybe try a mix of dynamic and static ropes/straps. Have a static section go from both ends independantly and have them overlap in the middle. This way they will catch regardless of where the break is. Obviously the static sections will need to be log enough to cover the stretch of the dynamic sections. I hope that make sense. send me royalties :)
The presenter, Ditch Hitch features it's product "using nylon recovery straps instead of hooks and chains" to prevent injury. Unless one is a professional [and I am not] chains are not a good idea, neither is using a tow ball. Loads must be carefully assessed in the employment of recovery gear.
If two cars or trucks snapped that strap, I wonder if those bags, or whatever damper, would be more effective than the tractors because of less potential energy??
I recently seen a mesh tarp made of wide straps.. asked the driver at the stop lite where did you get your straps for straps net? He yelled out the window as the light turned green "canyon rigging.com" and he rolled out onto the highway. We have a stretch net to hold down construction items in the pickup & trailers. It does hold down but not stable. I do not see this on you videos. Do you make these if yes, what is the cost?
How many pounds of potential explosive energy is packed into a topical scuba tank if all its energy is released at once?! Something like 1,000,000 pounds of explosive energy, braking a strap has some of the same concepts, good video presentation, make some more!!
How about two straps same rating but one 20 feet other 30 feet. Sew together in the middle 2/3 end to end and see if the stitching can slow the breaking and launch of the broken strap. If both same rating the longer one more than enough to capture and control the shorter broken one.
How about a primary strap with a tube of rope material with extra material in the middle. Attach the ends to the loops. Would be like strap or rope in a firehose as secondary strap and for control of the broken strap.
Good video. My suggestion is never allow the strap to brake. How? First, use stronger enough strap. Second, never use straps with hit or small cuts. Tow with intelligence. 5 m fo momentum is a clocked weapon.
Javier Fauxnom A lot of people think tow straps are for getting people unstuck. They're actually just for moderate towing. Recovery straps don't have metal hooks or anything on them.
Some great info there, but you're working with some giant hitches - what if you're working with a normal size vehicle hitch and the HITCH is the part that breaks... your strap method will not do anything and the hitch becomes a deadly missile... which, tragically, happened on 2/24 in Minnesota... (search "Man dies trying to tow car from ditch in rural Rice County"). I think whatever solution you work on has to include damper bags on both ends and somewhere in the middle as well? Thanks for the great info.
Thanks for your great comments and we can tell you are keenly aware of the dangers of vehicle recovery. It was a tragedy that man was killed just trying to get a car unstuck. What this video shows is the testing that has been done on the Snap Trap products we designed and patented. The Snap Trap is part of the Ditch Hitch System (www.ditchhitch.com) which is an engineered solution used for pulling out stuck vehicles . The Ditch Hitch Units are inserted into existing frame-mounted receivers such as those found on ½ ton or 1 ton trucks, etc.. - one on the stuck vehicle and one on the rescue vehicle. The 2 Ditch Hitch Units are attached with the Fuse Link vehicle recovery strap. The Fuse Link Recovery Strap is 25’ x 2” wide and is rated for 16,000 - 19,000 lbs. From our testing, we know that a receiver in a vehicle will dislodge at approximately 25,000 lbs. The Ditch Hitch unit has a breaking strength of 78,000 lbs.The Fuse Link strap is guaranteed to be the weakest link in the system hence the name “Fuse Link”. When using the Ditch Hitch System, if the strap breaks, no one dies. As you've seen, we also have the Snap Trap (as shown in the testing video) which is attached over the Fuse Link strap and captures the stored kinetic energy of the recovery strap if it snaps. If the Fuse Link strap connecting each Ditch Hitch were to ever break during a recovery operation, the Snap Trap will absorb the energy being released from the strap and stop it from coming into contact with a vehicle or personnel involved in the recovery. With over 22,000 units sold and widely used without incident within the harsh Canadian oil and gas fields, we have been included in the Energy Safety Canada Guideline here www.energysafetycanada.com/resources/detail/10/vehicle-recovery-guideline and also won the Global Media Award for best new product at SEMA 2018. Hope this answers your questions and concerns and thanks for watching our video!
What’s the problem he’s trying to solve? If the strap breaks, big deal, it’s not a chain, it doesn’t have the weight behind it to do damage. Stop over thinking it, adding sandbags is gonna increase the damage.
Unless you have NO OTHER CHOICE never, ever, ever use straps or ropes for pulling or yanking someone out when stuck. A proper winch and proper recovery knowledge will keep you and your equipment safe. Don't be fooled by those with "home made" knowledge. The old "I tried it this way and I think it works best" teacher will get you hurt, or worse.
Energy stored in the strap at failure is the same, only difference is the speed of the vehicles moving away which is negligible given the energy numbers we are talking.
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You guys are total heroes for testing this on camera and proving that the main precaution most people take (if they even bother at all) does literally nothing!!! Let's hope real world practice starts to reflect your findings!!!!
Ole boys reaction time in the cab on test 9 was pretty impressive!
Another piece of advice : NEVER trust just putting the tow-strap's end loop over the ball on the hitch of your truck. It may shear off and beome a deadly missle.
I know of at least one incident of this happenig. The ball went through the back window of the other vehicle and struck the driver in the head causing severe head injuries.
Yip, I know of a situation where a passenger took a 2" hitch ball to the eye socket. Went to town to the hospital with the ball in his head and only ended up losing an eye. Talk about lucky.
great video, its awesome you guys took the time to test so many straps to failure
What is needed is a series of loops stitched on the strap so a cable can be clipped to it and clipped to another part of the vehicles. This is be very effective
that's for the great demonstration video! Really shows how much energy. I think you need a bigger strap to pull out a stuck dozer ;) maybe a 12"
+fastst1
The dozer wasn't stuck, they just had not released the handbrake.
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Aww dagnabbit, hate when that happens. :)
@@Drottninggatan2017 Handbrake? Are you sure? That dozer only had steering brakes which are foot operated. And there's no way to "set" them without pushing and holding on them with your foot. This applies whether it's a manual gearbox or powershift. Most of the time your use the blade as a parking brake but this dozer didn't have a blade on it. But I agree, the dozer wasn't stuck, not in the most general meaning of stuck, like in the mud. Depending on how long it had sat there, the rails may have been frozen, which can be worse than being stuck.
Good demo. Most people aren't aware of the danger.
now that is propper testing ...
... good on you guys .. must have cost a couple of bucks ... but .. it served no bs stories ... this was the real deal ...
What’s also interesting about these tests is that line dampeners don’t work. If a 10lb bag of sand won’t stop a broken line, there’s no way those ARB blankets are going to do anything.
That's because they only used one damper, which is wrong. You need a damper on each end, so when the strap fails, the end that fails already has the weight on it. Putting it in the middle lets whichever end fails to build all the momentum and inertia that drags the damper with it.
@@AltitudeOutlaw this guy gets it. Recovery safety is always about both sides and the weakest point.
Grills are plastic, lol, doesn't take much destroy them.
Awesome video, though. I see all kinds of advice, not much real world testing. Nice to see some for a change.
Personally, the only thing that scares me is tow point failure, or a metal cable failure.
As far as the strap breaking in the middle, straps are weakest where they are sown, but when you stretch it over a span between two points, where do you think the highest stress force is? Just something to think about.
That comment reminded me of some tests that were done at where I work on our electric recovery winches. (I can't say the brand, so nobody ask). Anyway, some guys were doing test pulls to the stall rating and they kept breaking cables. Our guys contacted the maker and the maker said it was because that model did not have cable support groves on the drum. the funny thing is the cables tended to break in the middle. I wasn't directly involved, or I probably would've told them not to even bother with their tests, but, it wasn't my department. I let them do their thing.
How about using the dampener bag 4-6 feet from the attached end of the rope like all the 4wd people do? You're trying to reinvent the wheel. Your dampener is in the wrong spot.
With the last one, the bag was on the ground and tethered. I think if the bag was closer to the line of force of the strap it would not have been flug into the air.Now if you did testing with the bags nearer the ends i wonder if this would have yeilded a different result. The strap may not gain to much inertia before being captured.Even going crazy and using 3 bags. Either end and in the middle.
People on a neighboring farm in the early 70’s got a tractor stuck and they tried to pull it out backwards using a stretching type rope. The rope broke and struck the guy in the stuck tractor instantly killing him. My dad didn’t trust using those stretchy ropes for pulling anything out and we always used chains.
Wow, some great lessons here. For starters:
Get more capacity than you think you need, like at least 5x vehicle weight. never use a shackle to connect 2 straps mid- line. And NEVER stand in line with your recovery pull.
That’s why minimal crash cages on equipment is essential. Coming from a world where people kept their families fed by dragging timber out of forests behind skidders there is more than one tragic story where these components were overlooked and allowed to take to many hits just to fail and allow a high tension cable into the back of the driver’s head.
This was awesome as information for me to keep from something happening if a winch cable or strap fails. Unpredictable every time and I can't believe it was throwing that 10lb bag of sand around like it was. I will be so much more careful from now on!
Put a elektronic waight beten them, so you can see how mutch kg you puul with, use a waghit for a cran truck, they put on the Hug when they lift it, so they can see how mutch a pallet waight.
Nice tests there, guys 😎
Great vid love the slow mo.. Unbelievable how that 10lb bag flew like it weighed nothing. Would've never guessed that'd happen and makes me realize my rubber floor Matt I hang in middle of my ARB snatch strap is gona do not a damn thing if it fails. Good to know someone out there is working on this issue! Are u guys private or work for the manufacturers testing these things? Only asking cause u trashed a couple hundred bucks worth of recovery gear! Lol... Anyway great vid very informative and also badass tractor u got there man very cool...
+2wheelobsessed Well, a mat is using a completely different technique to slow the strap/line down. The sand bags attempt to use mass to absorb the recoil, mats/blankets use air resistance.
+Ditch Hitch Will for sure check your stuff out. I take my recovery gear very seriously but if I'm honest safety is usually not much of a concern. Stupid I know, but vids like this show dumb asses like me what actually happens when these things let lose... Will look at your gear and try an invest in some safety items. Thanks again.
Very, cool. Glad you are working on making recovery a little less dangerous. Maybe something more elastic to absorb the shock?
More elastic will snap even harder.
Not off its made right out won't, bit a bubba rope and be done with it.
Off road we just toss 2 towels over the line. tons of straps break I have NEVER seen this fail us. Always stops it. A sand bag is stupid as shit. You want air drag without weight. as for Extra straps and what not That will be a nightmare with all the mud. so screw that. Anyways that's my look at it.
I have never broken "any" of my straps, but I would still rather be hit by a strap, than a wire rope, chain or a clevis on the end of a strap that failed. I would never use a chain to pull out something "stuck", I would use a chain to tow or pull, not stuck or buried. If you use the rubber band effect of a strap it does some of the work for you!
Kinetic rope is the way to go, used on tug boats for a reason.
Tugs use poly lines and specter line for tying up. For towing bridels it's always steel or chain.
I'm not sure why you wouldn't think something capable of pulling 8000lb woudln't chuck a 5lb bag of sand.
Maybe try a mix of dynamic and static ropes/straps. Have a static section go from both ends independantly and have them overlap in the middle.
This way they will catch regardless of where the break is. Obviously the static sections will need to be log enough to cover the stretch of the dynamic sections.
I hope that make sense. send me royalties :)
The presenter, Ditch Hitch features it's product "using nylon recovery straps instead of hooks and chains" to prevent injury. Unless one is a professional [and I am not] chains are not a good idea, neither is using a tow ball. Loads must be carefully assessed in the employment of recovery gear.
If two cars or trucks snapped that strap, I wonder if those bags, or whatever damper, would be more effective than the tractors because of less potential energy??
Try a full moving blanket over the center.
I recently seen a mesh tarp made of wide straps.. asked the driver at the stop lite where did you get your straps for straps net? He yelled out the window as the light turned green "canyon rigging.com" and he rolled out onto the highway. We have a stretch net to hold down construction items in the pickup & trailers. It does hold down but not stable. I do not see this on you videos. Do you make these if yes, what is the cost?
How many pounds of potential explosive energy is packed into a topical scuba tank if all its energy is released at once?! Something like 1,000,000 pounds of explosive energy, braking a strap has some of the same concepts, good video presentation, make some more!!
How about two straps same rating but one 20 feet other 30 feet. Sew together in the middle 2/3 end to end and see if the stitching can slow the breaking and launch of the broken strap. If both same rating the longer one more than enough to capture and control the shorter broken one.
How about a primary strap with a tube of rope material with extra material in the middle. Attach the ends to the loops. Would be like strap or rope in a firehose as secondary strap and for control of the broken strap.
The "firehose" could also protect the strap from damage and uv damage
Good video. My suggestion is never allow the strap to brake. How?
First, use stronger enough strap.
Second, never use straps with hit or small cuts.
Tow with intelligence. 5 m fo momentum is a clocked weapon.
I had a tow strap hook go through a grill and puncture a radiator on a '77 GM pickup truck.
Javier Fauxnom A lot of people think tow straps are for getting people unstuck. They're actually just for moderate towing. Recovery straps don't have metal hooks or anything on them.
Well, now I know
Some great info there, but you're working with some giant hitches - what if you're working with a normal size vehicle hitch and the HITCH is the part that breaks... your strap method will not do anything and the hitch becomes a deadly missile... which, tragically, happened on 2/24 in Minnesota... (search "Man dies trying to tow car from ditch in rural Rice County"). I think whatever solution you work on has to include damper bags on both ends and somewhere in the middle as well? Thanks for the great info.
Thanks for your great comments and we can tell you are keenly aware of the dangers of vehicle recovery. It was a tragedy that man was killed just trying to get a car unstuck. What this video shows is the testing that has been done on the Snap Trap products we designed and patented. The Snap Trap is part of the Ditch Hitch System (www.ditchhitch.com) which is an engineered solution used for pulling out stuck vehicles
. The Ditch Hitch Units are inserted into existing frame-mounted receivers such as those found on ½ ton or 1 ton trucks, etc.. - one on the stuck vehicle and one on the rescue vehicle. The 2 Ditch Hitch Units are attached with the Fuse Link vehicle recovery strap. The Fuse Link Recovery Strap is 25’ x 2” wide and is rated for 16,000 - 19,000 lbs. From our testing, we know that a receiver in a vehicle will dislodge at approximately 25,000 lbs. The Ditch Hitch unit has a breaking strength of 78,000 lbs.The Fuse Link strap is guaranteed to be the weakest link in the system hence the name “Fuse Link”. When using the Ditch Hitch System, if the strap breaks, no one dies. As you've seen, we also have the Snap Trap (as shown in the testing video) which is attached over the Fuse Link strap and captures the stored kinetic energy of the recovery strap if it snaps. If the Fuse Link strap connecting each Ditch Hitch were to ever break during a recovery operation, the Snap Trap will absorb the energy being released from the strap and stop it from coming into contact with a vehicle or personnel involved in the recovery. With over 22,000 units sold and widely used without incident within the harsh Canadian oil and gas fields, we have been included in the Energy Safety Canada Guideline here www.energysafetycanada.com/resources/detail/10/vehicle-recovery-guideline and also won the Global Media Award for best new product at SEMA 2018. Hope this answers your questions and concerns and thanks for watching our video!
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What’s the problem he’s trying to solve? If the strap breaks, big deal, it’s not a chain, it doesn’t have the weight behind it to do damage. Stop over thinking it, adding sandbags is gonna increase the damage.
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Unless you have NO OTHER CHOICE never, ever, ever use straps or ropes for pulling or yanking someone out when stuck. A proper winch and proper recovery knowledge will keep you and your equipment safe. Don't be fooled by those with "home made" knowledge. The old "I tried it this way and I think it works best" teacher will get you hurt, or worse.
On test 9 tractor driver needs new underwear
Kill the obnoxious music!!!
This test was not acetic at all the fist 6 you sped up fast the last couple you went 2 MPH
Energy stored in the strap at failure is the same, only difference is the speed of the vehicles moving away which is negligible given the energy numbers we are talking.
The stupid music got me outta here. Fast.