Analyzing the High-Tech Colonial Marine APC from Aliens

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  • Spacedock delves into the many technical details of the Colonial Marines M577 APC. #aliens
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  • @Spacedock
    @Spacedock  Год назад +44

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    • @aking-plums6985
      @aking-plums6985 Год назад +3

      Two questions:
      1. Do the Colonial Marines come as standard with the M577 or are they an optional extra?
      2. How many cup holders does it have?

    • @ArmonMitchell
      @ArmonMitchell Год назад

      Man of Steele Kryptonian ships please

  • @robwalsh9843
    @robwalsh9843 Год назад +794

    One of my few disappointments with this movie is that we never got to see the M577 shredding Xenomorphs with its armaments.

    • @SteelRaven11
      @SteelRaven11 Год назад +86

      Same with the drop ship, we only see those toys go to work in the games and comics that followed. In movie, the narrow corridor would make using the heavy weapons difficult without hitting the marines fleeing the swarming xenomorphs. Behind the scene, it was probable also a question of pacing as they ended up cutting allot of stuff we only see in the extended cut like the automated sentry guns.

    • @aurongrande6141
      @aurongrande6141 Год назад +46

      That was rectified in Dark Descent, where it had plenty of times to shred the enemy.

    • @arcturionblade1077
      @arcturionblade1077 Год назад +22

      Yeah, that mounted turret plasma beam cannon was begging to be fired but we never saw it happen in the actual Aliens film. I'd imagine it looking and sounding like the future energy weapons in the Terminator movies.

    • @jennysittinger7888
      @jennysittinger7888 Год назад +28

      Sadly, it fit the theme. A buncha badass Marines armed, equipped, and trained to kill almost any foe run into a threat against whom much of their equipment and weapons are useless.

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us Год назад +17

      @@jennysittinger7888 I think at the same time, JC probably *wanted* a scene where these weapons went to work... but someone pointed at the budget and then probably went "It'll at least look cool on screen..."

  • @StormsparkPegasus
    @StormsparkPegasus Год назад +293

    The main funny thing about this vehicle is how much bigger the interior set is vs the vehicle actually used on set. The actual vehicle used on set is a modified airplane tug, and it's only something like 4 feet tall. There is no way the interior set can possibly fit inside. Of course, Cameron had to use what was pratical, and the practical effects are why this movie sitll holds up after almost 40 years.

    • @TheNightrider88
      @TheNightrider88 Год назад +21

      Interior is so big that there is simply no place for engine and drivetrain. Even worse - there is no place for ammo in that turret.

    • @arcturionblade1077
      @arcturionblade1077 Год назад +11

      Hammer Space, to borrow the vernacular from the Spiderverse movies.

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 Год назад +18

      Size-mismatches like that are almost a tradition in Hollywood, going at least as far back as the Star Trek TOS shuttlecraft.

    • @StormsparkPegasus
      @StormsparkPegasus Год назад +17

      @@stevenscott2136 There is a reason for it though. If he made a set that would realistically fit inside the vehicle, it would be pretty much impossible to film, and the set would be incredibly cramped and hard on the actors. I think the main reason the set is so big is room for the camera crew.

    • @AlanGChenery
      @AlanGChenery Год назад +15

      ​@@TheNightrider88the engines are in the wheels and turret is an energy weapon with everything it needs to fire 2000 times inside the turret.

  • @Potrimpo
    @Potrimpo Год назад +86

    This movie is 37 years old, yet it doesn't feel dated despite -- for example -- using CRT TV monitors rather than LCD displays.

    • @justalurker3489
      @justalurker3489 Год назад +9

      I mean it works because that's still how a lot of stuff in the military or even public services work. They rarely get the shiniest newest thing, they have old, used, and scuffedtech that's been around the block. Little things like Vasquez having an older sidearm that was being phased out and the dark and grimy electronics sell the world feeling lived in instead of the pristine white sci-fi of old.

    • @ReleaseTheCanines
      @ReleaseTheCanines Год назад +12

      For me, the CRT's are what make the retro-futurism beautiful, and keeps the gritty trilogy of Alien-Alien3 consistent in their world building of dot-matrix displays, VHS recording, big clacky buttons and beepy lights. Ridley's prequels should have shown the established 22nd century Alien universe's design the same respect the Star Wars sequels and TV shows have demonstrated in that franchise (for all their narrative faults, their *technological* world-building has been very consistent with a 1970's future); whereby it's still CRT's and wire-frame readouts. Let their universes be self-contained away from the real world, we don't need internet, streaming and 4K HD in these 70s future franchises, the film-makers should let them exist in their own retro-futuristic visions, that's part of their beauty and purity. Alien Isolation proved just how terrifyingly gorgeous and artful that commitment to design is within Alien's universe and wouldn't have been the same if it had tried to be Prometheus's technology.

    • @erinfinn2273
      @erinfinn2273 Год назад +7

      An explanation/excuse for that: Vacuum tube displays are more resistant to radiation/electromagnetic effects, and won't freeze if exposed to hard vacuum. Then again, you can also just chalk it up to "Cassette Futurism"

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 Год назад +4

      It's plausible that the USCM demanded their stuff be extra-rugged, and that ended up being crude-looking tech. After all, they have all the problems of soldiers AND astronauts to deal with -- corrosive atmospheres, EMP weapons, acid blood...

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us Год назад +6

      @@stevenscott2136 I love the line in ADD: "It's frontier spec, You couldn't break it if you tried." "Don't give us a challenge."

  • @EksaStelmere
    @EksaStelmere Год назад +161

    I gotta say, I REALLY love how fixated on weight reduction the design was. The true engineer's experience.

    • @frankharr9466
      @frankharr9466 Год назад +1

      Not that I'm an engineer, but I get that.

    • @dazofthemoo1531
      @dazofthemoo1531 Год назад +2

      Terrible design. Zero ground clearance, and zero suspension travel. Absolutely useless on anything bar race track conditions.

    • @EksaStelmere
      @EksaStelmere Год назад +2

      ​@@dazofthemoo1531 Probably would be better with treads in that sense, but I doubt the marines are solely fighting in rugged terrain. I'd even dare to say MOST space marine combat is urban warfare with roads. Really depends on some clarification on the specs vs depiction ratio.

    • @1tokeover
      @1tokeover 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@dazofthemoo1531yeah we know, but if you read about the creation of this vehicle for the movie they had to reduce the weight by a lot.

    • @tomasburian6550
      @tomasburian6550 2 месяца назад

      The only thing I'd change if I could would be to make the vehicle longer, seems awfully shorter than it ideally should be.

  • @Vastin
    @Vastin Год назад +326

    Gotta give James Cameron mad props for his world design. His sci-fi worlds always seem very well thought out in terms of their technology and societies, and the military vehicles from Aliens reflect this quite well. They're all built around specific tech and military doctrines - and then of course they're badly outmatched by being thrown into a situation and environment where those doctrines simply don't apply. :D

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy Год назад +14

      Just like real life right now. 😳 And I'm not just talking about the Russians. Before the 2022 invasion, the West was even considering retiring the tank because they thought they were obsolete. This war has revealed how much Western doctrine has been missing significant parts of ground doctrine, particularly artillery systems.
      For example, the United States lacks any mass-deployed theatre-level accurate artillery systems. They also lack short to medium ranged anti-air armored systems like the Gepard (the HMMWV Avenger is at best a stopgap since it fires Stingers). Most crucially, they're discovering to their horror that they're flashy GPS-guided systems are being jammed by the Russians.
      That's not to say the Russians haven't been making mistakes, though, and there's way too many to list that basically proves my point that James Cameron was spot on to have this sort of planned doctrine in this movie that ends up backfiring when facing something they hadn't planned for.

    • @DarthBiomech
      @DarthBiomech Год назад +17

      IIRC colonial marines were explicitly modeled after the Vietnam war marines, from the soldiers attitude to the vehicle and armor designs inspiration.

    • @scottishscott3504
      @scottishscott3504 Год назад +5

      Just driving this thing around from one end of a city to another would be a nightmare with its low ground clearance. In combat, this would be a death trap one mine or IED, and everyone is fried. The turret on the top would probably break when you needed it most because of its impractical reason for going to the side.

    • @Zack_Wester
      @Zack_Wester Год назад +4

      @@scottishscott3504 it apparently can raise/lower its gear sadly it been what it was (in real life) its never shown doing that.
      3:20 this is the part where he talks about it... that said im not sure if thats in the original master book made for the first movie or if they added it later (as a have always been there we just never mention it in the book because we did not think of it until some expert pointed it out).

    • @MrSwccguy
      @MrSwccguy Год назад

      Incorrect that doctrine applies

  • @drunkill
    @drunkill Год назад +34

    The airplane tug the APC was built around is a Hunslett ATT77, in the newest Aliens game Aliens: Dark Descent the hotshot pilot character is named Hunslet, nice easter egg

  • @koiyujo1543
    @koiyujo1543 Год назад +206

    yes the classic sci-fi APC that actually makes sense! yet it has so much fire power it could be consider an IFV or AFV

    • @deneshkandiah2194
      @deneshkandiah2194 Год назад +28

      Its not bad. It looks a combination of the boxer ifv and the new heavy ifv that russian and china has. the biggest issues are that its too low to the ground, and the location of the main gun is suboptimal.

    • @haydnp7144
      @haydnp7144 Год назад +5

      You could possibly put it in a new class of vehicle altogether like a C.I.F.V (Combat Infantry Fighting Vehicle) due to its troop capacity, command and control elements and fire support.

    • @koiyujo1543
      @koiyujo1543 Год назад +2

      @@deneshkandiah2194 actually it would make sense it would be easier to get in and out of the vehicle instead of a ramp

    • @koiyujo1543
      @koiyujo1543 Год назад +1

      @@haydnp7144 Putting the work combat wouldn't make much of a difference I mean isn't an IFV already a combat vehicle yet if you look at Poland's IFV their a wheeled vehicle that has good troop capacity

    • @koiyujo1543
      @koiyujo1543 Год назад +2

      @@deneshkandiah2194 plus Mr. Obvious if you haven't heard in the vid they said that this vehicle had a size and weight limit which is why it's so low to the ground so it could fit into the drop ship

  • @SteelRaven11
    @SteelRaven11 Год назад +59

    I love the designs from Aliens, just so well thought out and the Colonial Marine Technical Manual did such a great adding so much depth. You can see the influences (ether similar idea or improving on that idea) in so many other franchises, it really did set the bar for the works that followed.

    • @KMCA779
      @KMCA779 Год назад

      honestly, I had no idea we had so much information on it.

  • @DarkTraveler09
    @DarkTraveler09 Год назад +56

    Honestly, the M577 APC is amongst my top favorite scifi vehicles. Mostly for what was covered in this video, light, fast, durable, and armed to the teeth for a vehicle of its size.

    • @vladimirmihnev9702
      @vladimirmihnev9702 Год назад +2

      By the looks of it, off-road mobility should be horrible. It should at least have one more axel, or even better tracks.

    • @tsorevitch2409
      @tsorevitch2409 Год назад +2

      ​@@vladimirmihnev9702original designs from JK sketches were way better in this regards, but due to significantl budget constant film crew have to make it out of the stuff they can get for cheap, and it was used airplane tow truck. And no wonder airplane tow truck have no requirements on off-road performance.
      Aliens would looks significantly different of JK would film it now with CGI and basically unlimited budget that he can get due to his film record

    • @vladimirmihnev9702
      @vladimirmihnev9702 Год назад

      @@tsorevitch2409 I know, I was ignoring IRL stuff. And speaking as if in the Alien universe. I love the movie, but it's not perfect, nothing is. Thanks for explaining. Greetings from Bulgaria!

    • @kylereese4822
      @kylereese4822 Год назад

      The APC would with some changes for different tasks it would be perfect for a zombie apocalypse...
      Mine would be made from 40 tonne truck parts, 5+mm plate steel with a scaffold type inner frame with 5+mm inner shell, possibly 8 wheels, 8 wheel steering 8 wheel drive, lifting crane for shifting cars ect, electric and diesel drive, Diesel engine(s) not in suspected places

    • @cgi2002
      @cgi2002 Год назад

      ​@@vladimirmihnev9702you'd think so, as it looks to have really poor ground clearance, but that's because its movie setup has it (for practical reasons) with the wheels set at minimal clearance. It's actual clearance is over 50cm (similar to a modern wheeled military transport) and the wheels themselves are spiked (when needed).
      This guide only takes from the technical specs in the manual, but it's spec's in various books and other media show it to be far more capable in various regards (for example this has 3 turret types, assorted media I am aware of has that in excess of 5 including a pair of autocannons and a missile launcher).

  • @be-noble3393
    @be-noble3393 Год назад +50

    A classic sci-fi APC.

  • @kingssman2
    @kingssman2 Год назад +45

    As a Star Citizen player, I can't help but notice how much that game's URSA Rover took inspiration from the M577 APC.

    • @FearlessSon
      @FearlessSon Год назад +14

      So, so much of the aesthetics of military sci-fi were codified by this film.

    • @KMCA779
      @KMCA779 Год назад +11

      Star Cit has been called out a few times for using designs that are a little too close to other IP's. It doesn't surprise me in the least.
      Theft or not, they got good tastes in starship design... now if only they could finish the game that's been in production longer than some of its players have been alive.

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy Год назад +5

      ​@@KMCA779The Eve player in me immediately noticed the Drake Vulture looking suspiciously similar to the ORE Venture. Heck, all but two of the letters are the same!

    • @scoutguard3015
      @scoutguard3015 Год назад +2

      I wish i could play star citizen

  • @mitwhitgaming7722
    @mitwhitgaming7722 Год назад +43

    We need more APCs in Sci-fi!

  • @RoballTV
    @RoballTV Год назад +7

    Ripleys 'get away from her' line gives me chills every time. She's such a boss.

  • @JustTooDamnHonest
    @JustTooDamnHonest Год назад +22

    A classic from a masterpiece of a sci-fi film in Aliens.

  • @Vastin
    @Vastin Год назад +32

    I know Spacedock mostly sticks to movies and TV shows, but someday it'd be great to see a breakdown on the Bolo series, if we're leaning into amusingly over-the-top sci fi tanks.

    • @earlware4322
      @earlware4322 Год назад +3

      I only read a couple of the BOLO books, but loved 💙 the Hammer's Spammers series. Always thought their weapon systems and atomic hover-tanks sounded realistic for a future society.
      Would absolutely LOVE to see either make it to the big screen (or streaming services for that matter).

  • @mattwilson8298
    @mattwilson8298 Год назад +6

    The amount of military sci-fi technobabble in the video is just breathtaking

    • @tomasburian6550
      @tomasburian6550 2 месяца назад

      Right? I was thinking if he was already making it up on the go after the first half of the video.

  • @DaytonaRoadster
    @DaytonaRoadster Год назад +6

    the M41A pulse rifles from this movie are one of the most iconic firearms ever made...95% due to the sound of the rifle itself :)

  • @AlRoderick
    @AlRoderick Год назад +39

    I think the clearest parallel to it today is the Stryker. It's an urban vehicle designed to patrol in urbanized areas on roads, which is sensible given that the Colonial Marines are primarily active in space colonies, which are mostly cities. That's why it can pull the turret down to clear low obstacles. It doesn't need off-road performance, if you need to cross the wilderness you dropped in the wrong place.

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us Год назад +12

      Why drive through the woods to get to the city on the other side when you call down the wise-ass to fly you there?

    • @legbreaker2762
      @legbreaker2762 Год назад +2

      @@Tank50usbecause when you're flying, you're skeet.

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us Год назад +1

      @@legbreaker2762 ok? Have you seen the amount of weapons a Cheyenne carries? You better hope your first shot is a KO, because of you miss, there won't be anything left to identify you.

    • @scottishscott3504
      @scottishscott3504 Год назад +2

      This is a tacticool design, not a practical design.

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us Год назад +1

      @@scottishscott3504 it's a bit more practical than you might think. Imagine having a craft that can take off or land anywhere you need it too, and deploy an AFV directly into battle the moment it's WOW light is on. They do say that the suspension can raise or lower, something that current AFVs can do.

  • @RavenWolffe77
    @RavenWolffe77 Год назад +10

    8:30 The M577-A had HELLBORES as a main weapon???
    Wowzers!

    • @earnestbrown6524
      @earnestbrown6524 Год назад +5

      Somewhere a Bolo is so proud.

    • @RavenWolffe77
      @RavenWolffe77 Год назад +3

      @@earnestbrown6524 M577-A is a baby Bolo :P

    • @arthurchadwell9267
      @arthurchadwell9267 11 месяцев назад +2

      "... they even stood up to full Hellebore fire..."
      "The Last Command "

  • @warmonger2500
    @warmonger2500 Год назад +10

    There is seriously something cool about the way James Cameron sees things. When he puts military vehicles, and equipment, onto the screen you can see the thought and the artists eye for cool behind it. Despite being completely made-up sci-fi they feel realistic and usable. A lot of thought goes into them and that makes them cool even when it's the bad guys using them.

  • @johnsteiner3417
    @johnsteiner3417 Год назад +42

    This was the first sci-fi movie that took a hard-nosed look at future militaries, both technology and operation.

    • @cpt_bill366
      @cpt_bill366 Год назад +11

      Having just been through Vietnam and still in the depths of the Cold War this was a time when many people were taking a hard-nosed look at future military forces, in both technology and operation. The desperate struggle of fighting an enemy that simply won't fight on your terms is well reflected in Aliens.

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 Год назад +12

      Cameron himself said the Colonial Marines were heavily based on what Vietnam veterans had told him about the whole experience.

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy Год назад +5

      To be honest, James Cameron was pretty much spot-on with what is showing to be needed in the modern-day. Heck, he pretty much predicted the LAV II-III in terms of high-speed, wheeled, heavily-armed IFV's, and subsequently the modern technology that we are now seeing in the most latest of vehicles, such as 360-degree camera views, and remotely control turrets
      To be frank, with some modifications to the concept with modern realities, and adding some wheels, the concept actually has some merit in the modern day. The low profile is actually a huge benefit since the high silhouette can get you in deep trouble, and the ground clearance issues can be solved with an air ride suspension.

    • @johnsteiner3417
      @johnsteiner3417 Год назад +2

      @@TheEDFLegacy Just so long as you manage your tire maintenance...
      Unlike some other militaries I could mention.
      *stares at Ivan*
      😁

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy Год назад

      @@johnsteiner3417 _"IVAN! FOR THE LAST TIME, _*_PUT AWAY THE VODKA!"_*

  • @zooniethelazoon
    @zooniethelazoon Год назад +15

    And when it wasn't doing this, it towed Boeing 747's from airport aprons!

  • @czernovog
    @czernovog Год назад +14

    I've got to say, I'm really enjoying these forays into Sci fi tech outside of spacecraft. Keep it up!

  • @Ides_0f_March
    @Ides_0f_March Год назад +8

    fighting bugs with armor support but only on perfectly flat surfaces (colonial marines)
    or
    fighting bugs without any armor support (starship troopers)

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Год назад +1

      Full NBC-sealed power armor suits is "without armor support"?

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 Год назад +3

      He probably means the movie. Ever read John Steakley's "Armor"? If you liked Starship Troopers (the book), you'll like "Armor".

  • @alexeyvlasenko6622
    @alexeyvlasenko6622 Год назад +4

    The coolest thing about it is that it's bigger on the inside. That's some Time Lord-level technology right there. Trivial to someone who understands the fifth dimension, I'm sure.

  • @doemacmonkey
    @doemacmonkey Год назад +6

    “Get away from her you Demonitized!” I’ve had my plane backed away from the gate by a few M577 APCs, good to see the Colonial Marines helping civilians out sometimes!

  • @skyborne80
    @skyborne80 Год назад +2

    I'm not so sure there'd be enough room inside the vehicle for all the things talked about in this video. But that doesn't take anything away from the badassery of it!

  • @montithered4741
    @montithered4741 Год назад +7

    Aliens is near the pinnacle of science fiction for me. Practical effects at a master level.

    • @arthurchadwell9267
      @arthurchadwell9267 11 месяцев назад

      I wish these guys made the Starship Troopers movie.

  • @ericzaiz8358
    @ericzaiz8358 Год назад +12

    Honestly the biggest issue the ground clearance.
    Even with the system going up to 30 cm, that hinestly still too low for a vehicle of this size. 40cm or more would be far better. May not sound like much but with this thing size and weight it will make massive amount of difference.

    • @Vastin
      @Vastin Год назад +6

      Yes, for its long body profile the clearance was definitely insufficient. However, this is exactly the kind of bad tradeoff you might expect from a vehicle that's entire raison-d’etre is to be stuffed into a drop ship, and patrolling around cities and colony settlements with (hopefully) paved streets.
      The lift suspension would presumably help, but for practical FX reasons we didn't get to see that in action in the movie. ;P

    • @ReleaseTheCanines
      @ReleaseTheCanines Год назад +7

      The APC is the one of the most tacti-cool vehicles in all of sci-fi (and especially horror), but yeah I can imagine this thing just caught helplessly like a see-saw even on the most gentle of speed-bumps in my local village.

    • @arcturionblade1077
      @arcturionblade1077 Год назад +7

      Not to mention the flat bottom of the vehicle being a prime weakness to IEDs and explosions from underneath. It's why modern military APCs have angled V-shaped bottom armor to better redirect the force of an IED explosion. 5 cm of foam isn't going to protect much.

    • @jarowan
      @jarowan Год назад +1

      While beautiful, yeah, the ground clearance made it completely impractical outside flat pavement with no rubble or obstructions. The most realistic thing about it was that it immediately brlew a transaxle when it went off road in Aliens.

  • @thestanleys3657
    @thestanleys3657 Год назад +8

    "game over man game over!!!!"-Hudson

  • @Strykenine
    @Strykenine Год назад +12

    When you pick this up in Aliens: Dark Descent it's a nice upgrade and looks much better than the one they start you with.

    • @gabrielinostroza4989
      @gabrielinostroza4989 Год назад

      The Recon vehicle in Dark Descent is actually somewhat based off the concept art for the APC during the movie's production, it's really cool how the devs paid homage to that

    • @hawkeye5955
      @hawkeye5955 Год назад

      Not only that, it allows 5 marines to be deployed instead of 4.

  • @Kingsoupturbo
    @Kingsoupturbo Год назад +2

    A pretty outrageous amount of detail, more then a mouthful, the people who wrote all that, researched it, must have had a real fun time!

  • @spunkmire2664
    @spunkmire2664 Год назад +2

    I’m a drop ship kinda guy myself. Great ramps and handrails! No bathrooms though.

  • @paulcadden4967
    @paulcadden4967 Год назад +3

    Always loved this vehicle, with it's brilliant design and loadout. Tho I always thought the stated thickness of the armour was disturbingly thin for even being able to stop the small arms and frag

  • @eotwdave
    @eotwdave Год назад +7

    Very good, but I had hoped the video would at least mention the (considerably less capable) actual M577 variant of the M113 APC that the thing is named after. I used to drive one when I was a young man.

  • @tymek200101
    @tymek200101 Год назад +6

    What a well-thought through design which despite its sci-fi tech manages to feel grounded and almost realistic through clear restrictions imposed on it

  • @iain-duncan
    @iain-duncan Год назад +3

    You know its a James Cameron film when the APC designed purely to look cool also has full technical documentation about the layout, materials, and component makeup of the entire vehicle. Love Cameron

  • @houndsofmeath3376
    @houndsofmeath3376 Год назад +4

    Friend, I just watched aliens like 2 days ago for the first time and forever and it brought me back to your channel to look at some of the other colonial marine stuff you covered. So happy you just posted this

    • @hoojiwana
      @hoojiwana Год назад +1

      You're welcome!
      - hoojiwana from Spacedock

  • @eddiebernays6809
    @eddiebernays6809 Год назад +6

    As a former station-wagon and van owner, I was pretty excited when you alluded to this in a previous video. Cyber truck can eat it, this is what the people want.

  • @tlshortyshorty5810
    @tlshortyshorty5810 Год назад +3

    Funny how I’ve been looking at futuristic APCs (the Tumbler Batmobile and the Landmaster) and this pops up

  • @brennonlewis
    @brennonlewis Год назад +2

    The M557 APC and the AMP suit are two advanced pieces of tech we don't get to see enough of

  • @thomaslamb8635
    @thomaslamb8635 Год назад +1

    I never knew there was so much detail and thought out into these vehicles and weapons.
    Got to say, out of all the sci-if movies I seen growing up, this APC and the Cheyenne drop ship was by far the coolest. It seemed then, and even now, like it was definitely something our military would develop in the near distant future. Certainly within the scope of future technology, but still very much achievable.

  • @spaghetti7782
    @spaghetti7782 Год назад +12

    The actual design and profile of it seems kind of silly to me but it's interesting to see how well other things like camouflage and armor were thought out

    • @travcollier
      @travcollier Год назад +2

      The constraint for transportation/drop is a big one.

    • @spaghetti7782
      @spaghetti7782 Год назад +6

      @@travcollier that's part of what confuses me though. Wouldn't the ability to carry an APC be a design consideration for the drop ship as well? The low profile both for compactness and stealth sacrifices ground clearance, approach/departure angle, as well as space for cargo/fuel/troops. These would all be larger considerations for a space marine APC required to operate with little support on rough terrain in my opinion. The 180° turret on the front also doesn't seem worth the weight and loss of visibility to me when they could have just put a smaller machine gun there or something. Overall the lore is pretty well thought out but the design looks like the result of trying to slap together something that looks sci-fi out of an aircraft tug relatively quickly

    • @shagrat47
      @shagrat47 Год назад +2

      @libya6264 - I wouldn't consider a variable 22cm to a maximum of 52cm of ground clearance as "sacrificing". 14 seats including driver and tactical command is similar to any other APC. The turret adds considerable firepower, beyond any MachineGun, while the visibility with cameras is better than in most APCs today using mirrors and periscopes.
      Combining all these into a lightweight compact "brickshape" that optimized storage space on a spaceship, it looks like a very good design for its purpose, fulfilling all operational requirements... Even if we consider the "lore" has likely been created after the movie.😊

    • @travcollier
      @travcollier Год назад

      @@spaghetti7782 Which came first, the dropship or the egg... I mean APC ;)
      I'd guess that the dropship cargo size is based on some standard container sizing which is probably based on some other stuff which goes back to the size of horse butts or something.
      The front turret seems dumb to me too.
      BTW: Do a web search for "Shadow RST-V". Actual military vehicle developed 1997-2010s. Never put into production, but very cool. Major design constraint was fitting on a V22 Osprey.

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 Год назад +2

      ​@@spaghetti7782 The dropship was probably in service first. Once a military has a major investment in vehicles, training, support infrastructure, and so on, they can be incredibly reluctant to switch out for something new. All the more so if the generals making the decision used the same equipment in combat when they were young lieutenants.
      The modern US is not a good model, as lobbyist bribes to congressmen and "staff weenies" at the Pentagon frequently overrule the good sense of experienced soldiers and accountants.

  • @Graves-81_69
    @Graves-81_69 Год назад +1

    It’s so cool to me that people still go through the weapons and machines of Aliens. Several years ago I acquired the permits necessary to build a live firing pulse rifle replica. I wish I could build a smart gun, but I’m not willing to desecrate a MG 41 or 42

  • @norm3380
    @norm3380 Год назад +6

    This movie always left me wondering, what else are the Colonial Marines fighting?

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Год назад +2

      We know they'd been called out for other "bug hunts" before. So apparently extraterrestrial wildlife suppression.
      But yeah, Alien and Aliens are both good at feeling like part of a larger universe.

    • @arcturionblade1077
      @arcturionblade1077 Год назад +5

      In the future, the Americas were the capitalists and the Colonial Marines were formed to defend their interests in space. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union and China formed the communist UPP (I believe) and they opposed the Colonial Marines. It's detailed in the Gibson story treatment for the original unused Alien 3 script (now turned into graphic novel and Audiobook).

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 Год назад +2

      It literally says "Bug Stompers" on the side of the dropship, with a clever graphic of an eagle wearing big stompy shoes.

    • @HailHydra27
      @HailHydra27 Год назад +4

      I dunno but I'd rather watch a movie about them doing that than yet another xenomorph prequel

    • @Colin_
      @Colin_ Год назад

      Theyre used against the Just Stop Oil activists so by this time in the future theyve gone the heavy weapons route to take care of the problem lol.

  • @danbeasley6135
    @danbeasley6135 Год назад +4

    Incredible amount of information in a short and entertaining fashion. Nicely done Sir!

  • @unknown9126
    @unknown9126 Год назад +1

    That thing's main gun sure beats my phased plasma rifle in the 40watt range.
    Great video

  • @jonmcgee6987
    @jonmcgee6987 Год назад +3

    I loved the design for this APC a great deal. In some Sci-Fi stories I continue to work on. A modified version of this is the standard light APC used.

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 Год назад +4

    State of the badass art!

  • @steveb6616
    @steveb6616 Год назад +2

    Damn!!! This is a fictional vehicle yet i feel like i just went through a technical manual!

  • @greggv8
    @greggv8 Год назад

    The aircraft tug that was modified to make the movie vehicle was pretty neat. 635 horsepower Cummins turbo diesel. Available with front and rear cabs or front cab only. The cabs could raise and lower with a 1.5 foot range of motion. The engine is in the middle, offset to one side with a GPU (Ground Power Unit) bay on the side where the movie vehicle has the door. The tug was loaded down with a huge amount of ballast weights to aid traction for moving large aircraft. Those weights were removed by the people who gave it the Aliens makeover.
    It would be neat to build a full scale replica with an exact copy of the internal set inside. Same for the Star Trek TOS shuttle.

  • @Alex113234
    @Alex113234 Год назад +2

    Well, i guess it's time to rewatch Aliens again.

  • @teck_3
    @teck_3 Год назад +3

    I like this APC. I must recreate it in Space Engineers.

  • @TeraQuad
    @TeraQuad Год назад +1

    This is one of my top favorite videos here at Spacedock. Heck of a job!!!

  • @deanlawson6880
    @deanlawson6880 Год назад +3

    Wow! What an intense beast this armored vehicle is! Amazing!

  • @darthprime4916
    @darthprime4916 Год назад +2

    One of my fav pop culture vehicles and love it’s based off real life airport vehicle. Badass, wish it had more screen time.

  • @charles1890
    @charles1890 Год назад +1

    One of my FAVORITE movies. Have the RPG and Miniatures Game. Thanks so much!!

  • @ricksheard1093
    @ricksheard1093 Год назад

    literally the Colonial Marines Technical manual word for word

  • @Jayjay-qe6um
    @Jayjay-qe6um Год назад +2

    The IAV Stryker used by the main characters in Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem was included as an homage to the M577 in Aliens.

  • @meshugganator08
    @meshugganator08 Год назад +1

    Throughout the years this has always been my go to vehicle. I can’t think of anything that I would rather drive on the road anytime I think of style I think of this best vehicle ever made for a sci-fi movie.

  • @JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis579
    @JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis579 Год назад

    AlienTheorys video about this is badass, im glad to see spacedocks !

  • @MrMaximkozin
    @MrMaximkozin Год назад

    Behind the scenes this is an aircraft towing vehicle disguised to look like an APC, we would hook it to the nose wheel of Boeings raise them, and have a guy in the cockpit to release the brakes. Visibility was crucial when moving forwards and backwards, and to avoid the need for 2 driver compartments, it's single compartment could be raised above the engine compartment and the driver just span his seat and steering wheel backwards.

  • @Cammi_Rosalie
    @Cammi_Rosalie Год назад +1

    Prior to being converted and outfitted for combat use, the M577 was used as a tug for aircraft back on Earth.
    (not canon, I know. The M577 is based on an actual aircraft tug, the Hunslett ATT77.)

  • @RazorX86
    @RazorX86 Год назад +1

    The original machine had a base plate of pre-famulated amulite surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the panametric fan. The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzlevanes, so fitted to the ambifacient lunar waneshaft that side fumbling was effectively prevented.
    The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots of the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible tremie pipe to the differential girdle spring on the “up” end of the grammeters.

    • @DarthBiomech
      @DarthBiomech Год назад

      But could it reverse the polarity of radiation capacitors?

  • @jipillow1
    @jipillow1 Год назад

    This movie was one of my favorites in the 90s

  • @_andyemcee_
    @_andyemcee_ Год назад +4

    Marines, we are Leaving!

  • @WillDa713
    @WillDa713 Год назад

    at last, here it is. thank you for the upload

  • @IXSigmaXI
    @IXSigmaXI Год назад

    awesome description of the plasma beam!

  • @kitirena_koneko
    @kitirena_koneko Год назад +1

    This is one of my all-time favorite vehicles, and it was wonderful seeing a proper video about its design and capabilities! If I could be so bold, could you possibly do a video on my other all-time favorite, the Landmaster I from the movie Damnation Alley? It definitely deserves a video like this IMHO!

  • @ameelmd
    @ameelmd Год назад +1

    Great styling on the video, I was used to the previous styling that this impressively took me off guard. Great way of editing for a vehicle that has limited footage available, want to revisit the Sulaco again? Jokes aside, great dives and videos as always.

  • @souplike.homogenate
    @souplike.homogenate Год назад

    "We need something like engineering .. fanfiction."
    spacedock: "I got you, fam"

  • @collguyjoe99
    @collguyjoe99 Год назад

    Got to Meet OG Spacedock in Boston Last weekend!

  • @TroyBrophy
    @TroyBrophy Год назад +1

    If there's a motor in each wheel, then the line, "Ripley, you've blown the transaxle! You're just grinding metal!" makes no sense.

  • @DanielSolis
    @DanielSolis Год назад +6

    Now I'm wondering about the sociopolitical situation in colonial space that required such a heavily armed APC *before* contact with the xenomorphs.

    • @arcturionblade1077
      @arcturionblade1077 Год назад +1

      In the future, the Americas were the capitalists and the Colonial Marines were formed to defend their interests in space. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union and China formed the communist UPP (I believe) and they opposed the Colonial Marines. It's detailed in the Gibson story treatment for the original unused Alien 3 script (now turned into graphic novel and Audiobook).

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 Год назад +3

      Since the dropship had "Bug Stompers" painted on the side, and the team talked about "bug hunts", I would imagine that USCM kept busy protecting colonies from alien wildlife -- which was apparently arthropods often enough for "bug" to become standard slang. Plus, the occasional colony deciding to rebel would be pretty much inevitable.

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us Год назад

      @@stevenscott2136 Part of that actually comes not from the script, but from the requirements James Cameron imposed on the actors and effects team. One of which was that everyone had to read Starship Troopers, wherein the Pseudoarchnids are often just called "bugs". Now, one possibility is that maybe the Marines actually fought such a species, which is where the unit gets it's name and slogan. However, the LT hinted that the USCM had encountered the Xenomorph before, but it wasn't that well known
      "The what sir?"
      "The Xenomorph."
      "It's a Bug hunt."
      But yeah, as well as dealing with hostile colonists, or adversarial nations, there's other reasons to want the APC to be armored to the 9s... We know from our studies of other worlds (Don't ask me how), that certain atmospheric conditions can be a bit hazardous, and if you need to transport a bunch of marines to a planet where that's a possibility, you'll want all the protection you can get. Imagine landing on a planet, and while you're entering the colony a volcano decides that now is a good time to erupt... the amount of debris that'll kick up and hurtle towards the APC would certainly require a good level of protection.

    • @Vastin
      @Vastin Год назад

      Presumably there's conflict with other human colonial factions, don't think there's anything like a world govt. Though given the way the corporations treat people in this universe, I bet the Marines spend more time suppressing unrest in their own colonies than anything else.

  • @blagojpejov4155
    @blagojpejov4155 Год назад +1

    Nice Work on this Apc

  • @DarthBiomech
    @DarthBiomech Год назад +2

    Well, now you have to do one for the UD-4L as well.

  • @aledwalters8977
    @aledwalters8977 Год назад +4

    What about a vehicle breakdown of rda vehicles from avatar the way of water: because with the return of the rda in the sequel they return with new vehicles and people would be interested.

  • @thegrayknight71
    @thegrayknight71 Год назад +1

    Great video. Thx. This is my absolutely favourite sci-fi vehicle. Too bad its 3.5 meters wide so driving it on normal roads would be difficult.

  • @maundamartin59
    @maundamartin59 Год назад

    "ARE YOU READY "TO GET IT ONNNN!!!!!!!😂😂😂

  • @DrBunnyMedicinal
    @DrBunnyMedicinal Год назад

    Well, that was fast and very impressively thorough! 👏👏👏

  • @AflacMan13
    @AflacMan13 Год назад +1

    "Hypergolic Binary Propellant it sprayed onto each round once it was in the chamber."
    Woooow. The 80's scienc-ey mumbo wumbo jumbowas STRRRRROOOONG with whoever came up with that one! 😂😂😂

    • @anon_y_mousse
      @anon_y_mousse Год назад

      The funny thing is that it's not actually mumbo jumbo, it's just kind of redundant and an odd and unworkable concept.

  • @zephron28
    @zephron28 Год назад +9

    That was an excellent breakdown, well done!

  • @2Potates
    @2Potates Год назад +4

    Probably one of my favorite sci-fi vehicles.

  • @shagrat47
    @shagrat47 Год назад

    Glorious!!! Thank you!😊

  • @thetruth45678
    @thetruth45678 10 месяцев назад

    The movie was way ahead of its time with that active thermal camouflage, which we're just putting into use in modern vehicles.

  • @shardinhand1243
    @shardinhand1243 Год назад

    awesome video, thank you!

  • @kronosbot5
    @kronosbot5 Год назад +1

    I would love to see an expansion of this vehicle's "family;" variants of the M577 designed as dedicated mobile command, medical, and logistics vehicles would make for a great mechanized infantry detachment.

  • @cursedmonkey1033
    @cursedmonkey1033 Год назад +2

    Someone really should make a modern injection molded kit of this. Preferably 1.35.
    That would make me seriously so happy.

  • @Kaiber_Phoenix
    @Kaiber_Phoenix Год назад +1

    A great breakdown of a vehicle you get to see little of in aliens or most of the games (dark decent and AVP2 being the exception). Ihavent personally played dark decent as of yet but the lighter apc ive seen at the start of the game does look interesting though.

  • @Threvlin
    @Threvlin Год назад +1

    The promised video has arrived.

  • @prof.badfellow9868
    @prof.badfellow9868 Год назад

    Little known fact: Lock-Mart Industries wanted to add mud flaps to protect the stowed turret. Also, the original spinning rims were deemed as cost prohibitive by the USCM brass

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 Год назад +2

    Awesome.

  • @gussygoro2469
    @gussygoro2469 5 месяцев назад

    Glad this video explained that it wasn’t a low rider. I always thought it was vulnerable to medium sized pebble wedgies.

  • @robertgriffin662
    @robertgriffin662 11 месяцев назад

    Fun fact: They actual M-577 is/was a derivative of M-113 tracked APC. Was a command post vehicle

  • @theewatchfuleyeseesyou
    @theewatchfuleyeseesyou Год назад

    This vehicle has actually a lot of tech that makes a lot of sense damn

  • @resurgam_b7
    @resurgam_b7 Год назад +1

    I love the explanation of the plasma cannons. I've never really liked the Star Wars or Halo explanations of magnetically forming a bolt and shooting that since plasma would immediately dissipate upon leaving the muzzle since the magnetic field isn't maintained by anything. Firing down a laser beam makes much more sense (though still not really how physics works :P ). At least it takes into account the fact that you can't just fold up a magnetic field and throw it at something, it needs to be maintained in order to provide continuous containment of the plasma.

    • @mattmc9812
      @mattmc9812 Год назад

      Plasma in halo meant to be something far more advanced beyond human means as most plasma weapons are utilised by the covenant

  • @sandordugalin8951
    @sandordugalin8951 10 месяцев назад

    Hands down one of my favourite fictional vehicles of all time.

  • @maundamartin59
    @maundamartin59 Год назад +2

    When you think about it. They should have USED THIS VEHICLES ARMAMENTS TO FIGHT THE ALIENS.

  • @Jouni-V
    @Jouni-V 6 дней назад

    Like those real life underground mining vehicles. 😎