Why Tiny Tina's Wonderlands Failed
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video we take a look at Tiny Tina's Wonderlands and find out how a game that started so well has just barely moved forward in the 6 months that it has been released. There's a number of reasons for that but a lot can be drawn by comparing how it has been supported so far to how Borderlands 3's first 6 months went.
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All advertised post launch content for Tiny Tina's Wonderlands ended 6 weeks ago. In contrast, Borderlands 3 would release Guns, Love & Tentacles in 2 weeks time which holds more gameplay value by itself than the entire Wonderlands season pass.
Ava's mysteriousler questline alone was better than all of the PLCs combined in my opinion.
Bruh
This game is amazing. It came nowhere close to failure.
@@maxyeet don't be a blind fan boy
The season pass being a failure those not make the game itself worthless.
The base game was really fun. It was the DLC that killed it. Lacked imagination and felt lazy. Surprising cause for the most part the DLC has usually been pretty good for the Borderlands franchise.
I personally can't think of one that wasn't good. It's lame that all the dlc in WL don't have half the content as any of the BL2 Headhunter areas
You can’t compare this to bl2 or bl3 at all there nowhere near similar! And borderlands 3 was way better then this idk what you get paid for lolll shit review! They obviously expected more but in reality in bl2 we had tiny Tina’s dlc which was this game on crack and how it should have bin!
Gearbox is superior at DLC, even for their own in house projects.
Weird to see they lossed their magic here.
@@jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798 I swear I remember more listening to Torgue's Grandma Flexington ranting about space whales than this whole game
Exactly, no one wants to do 100 chaos chambers and then every DLC is just more chaos chamber type play. It was EXTREMELY repetitive.
honestly this game is extremely fun, my biggest gripe about it which killed it in my opinion was it was extremely EXTREMELY horrible to replay and the endgame was absolute garbage
In my opinion the game didn't fail just the dlcs really
I called it with Wonderlands shortly after beating for the first time. When I started to finish off some of the side quests I'd skipped and played a few rounds in the chaos chamber I started to notice how copy and paste the levels felt. I decided to wait for the DLC from the season pass, but after finding out it was PLC and not DLC I decided there wasn't anything really worth exploring in the game. Despite the fantastical setting of the game, it is ultimately as generic a borderlands game as I've ever played.
I think wonderlands is an experiment from the devs to know which is the path for future borderland releases.
I just bought it on sale a week ago and I totally agree. They dialed down the loot drops and it feels like Borderlands 1 rates but with dedicated drops like BL2. I loved BL1 for that. Also being able to get side quest gear in the vending machines is awesome. There's more that I'm leaving out but I agree.
Bl3 was pretty rough at the start but had really good support... Wonderlands however, had a really good base game but got such a rough support it killed the game faster than any before it...
I lost faith in this game as soon as I saw what Coiled Captors would be. On the bright side, the disappointment brought on by Wonderlands post launch got me to revisit 2 and 3. Currently getting my Axton to OP10, which is something I never went after before. Having a lot of fun with it
The way gearbox has dropped the ball got me look for other games similar. Found nightmare reaper and black ice.
The story was pretty interesting and imo better and not as boring as bl3’s but that’s personal preference cause I could not slug through bl3’s campaign so many times.
This should just be a fact bro
I played it with the voices muted recently 😂
The base game was great. Chaos Chambers got old fast. The dlcs were terrible. Even new game plus would have helped. Thankfully the other games still have much more content and I find them more or less infinitely replayable.
I got bored of chaos chambers after chaos 5. Knowing it was 45 more levels of the same content really put me off.
Its sad that it didn't get that much post launch support but it was a solid game, I hope whatever they drop next is more like BL3 with support tho
Yea I just hope the story isn't bad/long like bl3 tho
It was the T rating that people turned their noses up at, imo
Well I really enjoyed it it's just people demanded too much of the game
EXACTLY
I still remember playing Bloody Harvest for the first time and thinking "was that is? Is that 8 minutes all I'm doing for the next month?" It felt short and half baked at the time. If you had told me then that this free seasonal event was bigger/longer/better than anything on the season pass for the next game I would have called you crazy... Now I wonder how gearbox can get away with now charging us for such short, shit DLC (sorry, plc... Whatever the fuck they're calling it now)
I'm just glad I don't like tell tale style games so I know I won't be stung by new tales from the borderlands, gearbox aren't getting a penny out of me for that one.
It's because people encourage it by buying pieced out games. 2/3rds of most games dlc is them slow releasing the entire game
Needs more balance of weapons, e.g., make Dahlia rifles and Blackpowder snipers much more viable. Maybe reroll elements, and higher chances of armor dropping to your own classes. More bank space for each combination of classes. Chaos level 50 shouldn't have volatile or chaotic drops. Also RAIDS like maliwan takedown!
Games I still play:
Borderlands 1
Borderlands 2
Borderlands 2VR
Borderlands TPS
Borderlands 3
Games I stopped playing:
Wonderlands
Reasons being: chaos chambers that became boring after day 2 and spending half of the time in game putting shards in stupid bunny statues.
Positives: beautiful map and zones, Tiny Tina (obviously) and a cool story.
Bl3 is infinitely worse than wonderlands wake up brother. Also bl3 was so boringgggggg compared to all the games.
@@999i-nfrawhich is your favorite and why?
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 bl2 mainly because it was my first game in the series.
@@999i-nfra play the 1st then. It was my first and i think still does some things better than the rest.
My wife and I were REALLY HYPED UP BIG TIME for wonderlands to release !!! So much so I was constantly on RUclips looking up everything I possibly could in the coming game. We were one of the first to pre-order the game the moment it came available to do so.
Upon the moment the game was released to be played we were eagerly sitting together At our comp’s waiting to fire it up and play !!!! It was within a week we were ALREADY feeling like this game was NOT going to be all it was hyped up to be. It was just consistently a moderate level of excitement and game play 😢 also the boring time of moving between “ worlds “ and delay time. Also the understanding of the mixing of weapons and magic and shields / armor. Not a simple as BDL series. We also didn’t like the repetition of what my wife like to call the “ mini battles “ when running into a enemy in the over world. It was just the SAME THING OVER AND OVER again. Im a fan of game play and NOT dress up . Which brings me to another point !!!! This game drops TOO MUCH APPAREL !!! I personallyDO NOT CARE WHAT MY CHARACTER IS WEARING !!! I’m More Interested in my weapons and gear then my look for posing still shots 😂 there are just a lot of things that never really clicked right with wonderlands to grab our attention for more then 2 months.
We played as I stated for about 2 months on a daily basis at approximately 4 hours a day. Needless to say an update came out for BDL and my wife said “ let’s play BDL2 or 3 today instead of Tina’s ?” So off Tina’s went and back to BDL 2 and we NEVER have been back to Tina’s since. Sadly unlike BDL series we do not get “ homesick “ for playing Tina’s like we are missing something as we do for BDL series . No matter how many times we have played BDL thru and even played for PERFECTION and the GOD rolls of everything in the game we STILL want to play it ….
BDL goes down with legendary games like pac man , donkey Kong , sonic , centipede , Mario brothers etc. games that no matter how many times you play you want to play them again and again … BDL 2 I’m STILL looking for the 94% sham !!! I have a 93% lol but not the 94% but I’m still playing and I’m going to get it one day !!!! Now if this in itself don’t tell you I’m STILL interested in bdl2 then I do not know what does 😊😂 …
Thank you SGZ for all you do and the interest you express in you content and game reviews and discoveries . I’ve watched you for years and you never cease to impress us !!!! Can’t wait for you to walk us they the next BDL !!!!
Appreciate the kind words! I think it's great that you and your wife connect through Borderlands, I had that with my sister growing up. Here's to the next adventure 🥂
My wife & I felt similar. We played it together but only for a couple of days before she got bored. I played for at least 2 weeks before I got bored of it. Never even beat the game. Highest level I reached was 25 by the time I quit & moved on.
Went back to BL3.
For my wife and I it was the broken split screen Inventory that forced us to quit.
@@CyPress19880 Yes! I agree. It was so difficult for 2 people to view their inventory at the same time.
I quickly learned from bl 3 since I bought the deluxe edition and was sadly disappointed so I skipped wonderlands.
Personally, I find the game very enjoyable.
Playing it, I had a lot of fun and the only regret was that it was decided to use the "loot luck" system and not, like in BL3, the possibility of farming bosses and their dedicated drops. In BL3, after reaching engame, I like to farm myself the gear that interests me and I don't need to do it by repeating one activity (like chaos chamber) all the time
Fl4k reflux/bonus ice after active, insta crit active 3 second cool down. Me and a buddy duoed the alien raid on elite, and that's before we rinsed all the content and started playing with speed mods
Personally I really liked the loot system. When I go back to playing older borderlands games it feels kinda disappointing when you look around everywhere and fine nothing. With the loot die it at least gives you a chance to get better items. In tiny Tina’s wonderlands though the skill tree system SUCKS
Why does the skill tree system suck?
The BL3 loot system is lame. Feels like minecraft creative mode. Legendaries don't feel rare at all.
I know I won't buy a new tiny tinas game any time soon... I spent 125 canadain an it was the worse money I think I ever spent on a game for play time
People don’t seem to understand that most companies don’t give a shit if you stop playing after 30 minutes. As long as they got your $50-$70, it was a success.
Dude, you must be so much smarter than everyone!
@@GeronimoPlaz hey edgelord point out where he is wrong.
The game feels very smooth to play, especially when using the clawbringer's storm hammer or stabbomancer's ghost blade, but the chaos level idea I think leads to a dead end. They should have done something like lend increased loot luck for locations on some kind of rotation instead so that players have a tangible reason to travel around and visit different areas. Equipment has issues of its own too though like having the same armor being able to drop for every possible class combination... definitely needed some more time to develop
exactly. The end game has no payoff. You play chaos chambers solely so you can get stronger gear in order to play.... stronger chaos chambers. The game needs a "takedown" of sorts
Gearbox said they'll be adding more content so I'm looking forward to that!
@@melodyseverything6999 yea hopefully it's good content
I only bought the base game and found it very enjoyable, so in my opinion it wasn't a fail at all
R u still paying it? Do u plan on playing it at a later date?
@@noahbenice7375 if that's the case, BL3 failed miserably and absolutely. I will never touch that game again after besting it once.
@@mosstwig3591 we don't care
@@noahbenice7375 - I actually keep it installed and play it every few days. There is something relaxing about playing the Chaos chambers and mirror DLCs and I love the fantasy theme. I especially like that the player's safehaven is Brighthoof. I wasn't crazy about the safehavens we got in the Borderlands games.
Overall, I like everything about the BL/TTW games though. I would rather have variety that TTW adds and not just BL themes so to me the addition of TTW is very welcome!
@@mosstwig3591 u sure cause after getting trough that horrible campaign I had endless activities to do and lots of loot to find and also build diversity is insane for n borderlands 3
Chaos dungeon being a bland bore fest after a day 99% of the spells melee weapons and guns suck and the dlc being a pointless joke is what killed it.
One the greatest current Gen spiltscreen Games of 2022, my Tiny Tina content got me 100'000 of views....just saying (i liked the Raid Shadow slip also, i noticed)
I was really excited to play Wonderlands and played as often as I could but seeing how only 6 months later the content is possibly over and the dlc we actually got has turned into quite a disappointment i was so ready to drop the cash on the season pass I was so glad I waited and dodged that bullet.
I dropped the game like a hot potato when my character decided he was bi-sexual with no input from me.
If you put a character creator in a game, you create an expectation that the character IS the player, or at least represents something the player themselves made. Gearbox baking such dumb, overtly political decisions into something as personal as character creation killed the fun for me.
Gearbox just wants your money and to make sure you know about same sex relationships
Tiny tina wonderlands would have been a success and even more than a success if it was a dlc for bl3 just like that tiny tina dlc for bl2 it was amazing like ppl loved it so much was the best dlc for bl2
If gearbox wasn't greedy they would have made this game as a final dlc for bl3 ppl would appreciate it more
And after that focusing on making bl4
But eh well it is what it is
No that shit is a terrible idea, that’s almost like saying ttw shouldn’t have been made.
I dont get it! WHY HAS GEARBOX GOTTEN so tone deaf? Where are the Amazing Story Mode DLCS? , Take Downs, Invincible Raids, etc, etc! WTF 🤬! This hurts to see that they are leaning harder into diluted and empty content.
This game has so much potential.
Nobody cares
Had
@@mozeheadscott412 I do
@@keynanmartinez it's been three months
@@mozeheadscott412 and now 2 weeks and you still havent kysed so noone can hear you again
The base game itself was not a failure. It was just waaaayyyy too short. What failed was the endgame AFTER we beat the story. They needed a way to justify the game’s price tag and we fell for it like a charm. This was a side hustle. Nothing more. Hopefully BL4 will be better….if there is one.
Gearbox just announced that they will be turning TTW into it's own franchise/series! I actually love this game so I'm really happy that they will be adding more content to this!
@@melodyseverything6999 lmao, those initial sales for the next one is going to be low considering the fuck that was this game and how it was handled
@@ethan2436 who knows. There are lots of dedicated borderlands fans that’ll play anything that has anything to do with the borderlands universe. If Gearbox learns what they did wrong with TTW, then they could possibly improve the sequel.
Maybe I’m trippin but it didn’t feel that much longer than the original BL2 dlc.
@@ethan2436 hold on lets not kill ttw just yet maybe gearbox was just testing the water and seeing how wed like a new style of borderlands games if they do make a 2nd ttw maybe it'll be better and longer lol
Mh I actually think Tiny Tinas is the best game in the Borderlands Franchise so far.
I didn't touch it again after beating the game once solo, however I will return and play it with friends again today.
So I don't think it was a fail at all, no game will have people playing it forever thats just how things (should) go.
It's more about the experience you got out of it for yourself which was a very good one for me.
Its over priced you missed the whole point
I will still black ops 3 till this day, and do. Tiny Tina's really wasn't all that, but it was good in the beginning.
Best is a lil crazy there are a lot of good/cool things like being able to make ur own character and the skills and gameplay but the best is prolly 2 or maybe 3 just 3s story was long and boring with bad written characters and that one shop under the base never updated so 2 it prolly the best and 2 definitely has the best story and the most effort in it
I think the thing I love so much about wonderlands, (I've only played about 30 hrs) is the change from every other BL game. It's been a nice switch up. I feel with the new character skill tree and hero points plus mythic ranks, it gives a lot of re-playability, which is what I love so far. In a week, I've jo idea how I'll feel about the game. But either way, ive enjoyed it, not the perfect game, but the very change that I needed.
It’s the exact same tho. Only difference is name change and instead of having CHOICE like in every other BL game you’re extremely restricted. Hero points is badass token except worse. Mythic is also op levels.
Like nothing has changed at all. It’s the same except things just implement extremely terribly.
@@zedmiasma7304nah it’s different fr, the class mixing aspect and the passives go crazy. It’s just not the same on with borderlands. It’s like borderlands but everything I like about has been boosted and the things I didn’t like (vehicles, long ass story, hella walking etc. now we got melee weapons and the grenades replaced with spells and finding all the shrines and loot dice and getting 100% in this game just feel nice. Combining the damn classes is and the difference between them go crazy. It just hit different in my area at least. A lot of people I know think it’s superior and the road to 100 was cool.
@@zedmiasma7304not the same at all, did you ever play BL1 2 and 3?
The skill tees are booty
I haven't touched this game in like two months which is a shame because Tiny Tina is my favorite Borderlands character and I love high fantasy universes like what Wonderlands is but man, trying to painfully grind up to chaos 50 which where only like 2 builds can do it is annoying and frustrating. I barely got to like 22 and with no DLC's that are fun and replay able I just haven't had much interest in this game anymore which is sad as I was really looking forward to it.
I actually like Tiny Tinas Wonderland more than Borderlands. It can partially be because I like fantasy settings way more than the wasteland setting. I like the classes much.
Same I didn’t even know people thought it was bad
It feels a lot like the first Borderlands game but a little more polished. I like it a lot.
I love the game i have nothing else other than the characters skills and the end game for me they are sooo boring
As someone who has spent thousands of hours playing BL1-3, I didn't even finish the campaign for TTWL. Not planning to either.
I feel you on this. I did managed to finish the campaign, but everytime I attempted another playthrough I just got bored and stopped after an hour or so. Played every character in the other game.
Shit whack. Chaos chambers are literally one of the craziest money grabs in gaming history. I finished the main campaign in literally 24 hours
I agree, I have banked more than 63 days of raw play time. And played a shit ton of bl1 and bl2. But wonderlands I never even finished my first playthrough. I got tired of killing the same 3 enemy types over and over with barely any variation.
I had a feeling they would treat the game like this hence why I didn't buy
The game was a cash grab
gearbox got me on wonderlands. this is the last game I ever buy new from them. always will be a secondary market purchase from now on. NEVER AGAIN Gearbox. IF they had just made dedicated drops and fixed the loot chance I would have played it. I hate the chaos chambers.
They knew what they were doing. Hope they’re happy now. I have absolutely 0 plans to purchase tales from the borderlands and when the next main series game comes, I’m not pre ordering nor am I buying the game day 1. I’ll wait for reviews and base my purchase off that
I’ll wait a year later, for any games they release 😂
Borderlands 2: 1500+ hours (still play, still installed)
Borderlands 3: 1500+hours (still play, still installed)
Pre-Sequel: 900hrs
Assault on Dragonkeep Standalone: 300+hrs
Wonderlands: 100+hrs, bailed out after DLC2 and haven't felt any desire to reinstalled.
Wonderlands had a lot of glitz and shiny stuff at the beginning but it is incredibly shallow. Almost the entire game is just an overworld with tons of Chaos Chamber maps. The gameplay gets super old super fast. The map design sucks because of the constraints of the chamber format as well. Great combat and builds but everything else is as shallow as it gets. Combine that with devs continuing to nerf things instead of bringing others up to par and then 2 weeks later releasing something game breaking and waiting another month to nerf it the entire thing is just a cycle of boredom and frustrationi.
People need to stop buying games day 1, especially when they aren't focused on competitive multi-player.
You gain no edge by being here day 1. Let the honest guys give real reviews on the game. Only takes 3 days tops, then buy if it's got good gameplay.
But STOP BUYING DAY 1!
I found this game to not be very entertaining. Tina was great in BL2 at least. Also, the game shuts down very often when entering spots on overworld map and entering the portal to get rewards in chaos mode which fkn sucks. I won’t be purchasing any DLCs at all because of that. 15-20 minutes in chaos chamber and no rewards because it shuts down on an Xbox x. Fk that
i agree with everythng you said. Think about it most content creators like yourself who basically are borderlands exclusive or majority all at once switched to playing either BL 3 or Bl2 around the same time frame or another game franchise all together. Verses when you played bl 2/3 and stood on it for years with out changing to another game or were doing some sort of nostalgic event either way it was not out of boredem/frustration. sadly hardly anyone goes back to BL presequel or the original one lol. The difference between BL 3 is they were fixing the game constantly and as you stated giving you updates/roadmaps on the big stuff and even their little stuff were welcomed and praised improvements on wep fixes, class or quality of life. The fact that they are giving more attention to a game like a tale tell game which is fun but has nothing going for it outside of story and no future updates on tiny tina's says a lot. Tales of borderlands or walking dead games you beat within like 1-7 hours (depending if its 1 episode per month or all episodes at once when you get them). I hope i amwrong but i think they are letting this game die i base that on the overall treatement of the 6 months its been out vs how they treat the other Bl games epscoally 3 within that same time frame. If they do turn it around it will have to be something extrodinarily epic for that to occur and they may let this die to save that for BL 4 to be a justified purchase/apology.
Bl3 sht story and drops is part of why I stop playing wonderlands because I expect the same and I was right that's why I stick to bl remastered and bl2 because the new games are a huge letdown.
Gearbox will never release a great game (like BL2) again, sad but true. Even if content-wise they pick it up again, the entire franchise story was ruined in BL3, not to mention they just can't help but insert political agenda into their games now. Everything that gets consumed by woke-ism gets ruined.
trhe big letdown is the weird advertisment of the prepurchase battle pass or season pass they were saying. 4 dlc? that sounded too good to be true. but really , they just meant the headhunter -like content and its underwhelming as fuck
Joke post launch content that was already complete before release clearly. Horrible endgame with zero focus on match made coop repeatable content, no raids, no arena mode. Fun game but horribly underdeveloped compared to BL3.
I originally went into Wonderlands viewing it like a mainline Borderlands game and I hated it. I dropped it and then went back a few months later seeing it more like the Pre-Sequel and enjoyed it a lot more. DLC was still horrible though.
Personally don’t think it failed, the base game was great.
But the DLC definitely flopped
Wokeness. Above and beyond the basic amounts the other games had. Thats why it failed. Everything woke turns to crap.
wonderlands is the only borderlands game i regretted buying the initial game was good but the dlc was so sad especially with how strong its been in every game before even the pre sequel it was better
I won't pre-order anymore Borderlands games because of TTW. I'll wait for a sale ....
The problem here isnt the game per se but the player expectation after BL3. Sure its not as good as Bl3 in many ways but it had some differences like multi-classing, melee weapons and spells that worked really well. I think GB only ever intended it to have a short shelf-life and used it as an experiment to trial new ideas. Lets hope they've heard loud and clear that wheels, bunnies and short PLCs are a no-no. Edit: I bought the season pass and managed to put in over 540 hours so think I got my money's worth :)
BL3 really did spoil us lol
The game lowkey slaps though, well... as someone who doesn't deny change or something new.
This game was boring, and it was a chore to keep playing. I will never play it again.
I think saying wonderlands failed is not accurate at all. It may not have met some of our expectations, but I think we as fans overhyped it and expected too much from it. Wonderlands is a pretty good game that will help gearbox make BL4 the best it can be. I'm happy that they tried something different for this game.
Brilliant game imo I have played and enjoyed all other bl games if you don't tear through the campaign and complete all the side missions and challenges it's pretty good value for money I'm still enjoying end game and the dlc is OK not great but ok
I was looking forward to this game but when I played it I was disappointed
The writer was slammed for wanting to bring in characters that suffer from mental illness. Some of them were to be non binary competing against biological women in mini games. This turned off female players as well as their boyfriends.
This game is is borderlands 3 what pre sequl was to borderlands 2 💀
That “tamper your expectations” stuff infuriates me to no end. Cyberpunk made it a crime to expect a worthwhile and long-lasting experience from your $70 purchase.
Failed? I read articles suggesting the game went above expectations and devs might make it a main ip with yearly releases instead of side game
It's interesting to me that so many people view TTW as a failure. Compared to other games on the market these days TTW is a full package and then some, where other games can at times be virtually unplayable. The standards folks have (I assume because of BL2 and BL3) that aren't being met is also something to note. TTW is a spinoff game, not a main-line title in the franchise. Similar to how Pre-Sequel wasn't a main-line title (and it only got the one DLC). The reason Gearbox views this game as a success I think is because they know it's a spin off and didn't really expect it to sell as well as it did, but folks love the BL universe and so the game sold like hotcakes. I don't know that the game not featuring the same support/DLC as past entries is indicative of it being a failure. I genuinely don't think it was designed with those things in mind the way BL3 was.
Failed? Whatever you're smoking must be real good 🤣
Is this game really that bad? I just started playing with my dad and I love it so far
The base game was fun. But they had so much potential to do small one off campaigns like a D&D game for the dlc and they wasted it on just making these small dlcs that together should have been the price if one of the 4 dlcs. Borderlands was the last franchise I was preordering. Not anymore. I will wait now till all the dlcs are out and discounted.
This vid failed 👎
They literally don't listen to thier own customer tbh
Because a potato could have developed a less shit game.
The game where everybody have to tell you that they are gays, trans, bisex while you are just trying to enjoy a fucking first person shooter.
Touche 👏👏👏
Borderlands got hit with a woke gay ugly stick
They keep discounting this game all the time lol
I and my game play team awaited wonderlands with great anticipation. We did the whole pre-order thing. I even used a link from a content creator...
I really did enjoy the main story line and the side areas. I am very disappointed in the fact there is no reason to revisit these maps. OK I did farm Pigwart multiple times for a very specific Goblin Pickaxe, but in general?
Dedicated boss farms would be nice. If I wanted to play one armed bandits I would go to Vegas. The barf bunnies are boring. Thank goodness the upped the crystal feed (but seriously I would like a "spend all" button... maybe have the bunny explode spectacularly? just saying...) I actually read a book when I am spinning the wheel of fate. Can it be more mindless? Another candidate for "spend all" and explode... Also I created dedicated toons just for the wheel; one that had made it through the main story, then separate copies to run through each DLC to limit the loot pool and number of pretties dropped. That was also an insane waste of time. I kinda planned to do it with each character, but as you can imagine I lost interest... Especially since I am doing the level to 100 stuff again. Side note, if you wanna get your pretties then run through all 4 DLCS and everything, farm crystals in DLC3 mine cart room, and then hit the wheel - it will spit out pretties 10 (?) at a time at least as often as any other loot (or at least that is my impression)
I don't mind the Chaos chambers but then again I do mind them. I like the concept, but I am rather sick of doing them. I was working on getting 6 different toons through the story line when it was still level 10. I got 5 through the main story and maybe two through level 10 before level 20 hit. I ran all 6 toons up to 20, and 35. And 7 through 50. Now that 100 has hit? I am happy that I can rotate my toons into game play with my team just to skip some of that leveling. It is just tedious. I can easily believe there are a large number of players who never went to level 20... let alone 35 and 50. 100? Ha... I have done one... the others will get there when my team gets there... we are doing 2 or 3 levels a night. It is not like we are in a hurry or anything... we have our builds and most of our gear is on level too so refining at this point.
I do like the fact that 100 has only primordial and ascended gear as I am also long since tired of farming the similar gear through unranked, chaotic, volatile, primordial, and ascended... The RNG stuff it nuts - good thing I am not looking for the perfect Brutal Stampede (have you looked at that thing?) This is one thing that irritated me with BL2 and BL3, I would no sooner get my loot and then it was all crap and I was back to farming again. But at least I could go farm a boss. I didn't know how good we had it.
The DLCs were a disappointment plain and simple. They were total nothing burger. Me and my team ran through the first one planning on spending several days... and pfft we were done in 20 minutes. We were like "is that it?" We had hopes for more especially after Fyodor... hints were dropped that there is something more to our hostess. I was hoping maybe the 4th would have some sort of real story. But... nope. More nothing burger.
I have missed events like the bloody harvest, cartel, and valentines day stuff. Everything is centered on the Chaos Chamber and after spending so much time there leveling? Nah, I don't wanna...
I am still playing but we spend a lot of time discussing You Tube videos, and books, and recipes and... So far no one has suggested going back to one of the other borderlands games. I guess we did enough of that waiting for BL3. I have lobbied for other games but so far they haven't bitten...
Iv been enjoying the base game though there is something off about it to me however I did notice the dlcs just feel…idk more like just they don’t feel like expansions to the game like the older dlcs
My biggest two issues with wonderlands were 2:
1: The gunplay. I still hold close to my heart my favourite weapons from Bl3, they may not be the strongest, but the sure were fun to use, and actually decent, but in wonrdelands. Boy after like 60 hours i still dont like any of the weapons, and the few interesting weapons out there deal so much pathetic dmg that is not even worth putting them to show.
2: the classes, so much potential lost, why bother making a "multiclass" if you can only have one skill? I can asure you I can press one button more. Not only that, the interaction between the classes themselves is non existant, the second class is just for passives or buffs. why cant the Brrzerker start spining and create a tornado of graveborn´s dark magic while on it? why cant the clawbringer launch the hammer and create a explosion of posion homming missiles in the center of the it using the sporemancer?. So many cool posibilities wasted.
I believe the reason you can't use two action skills is because literally every button on a controller is already being used. So unless you threw out the spell slot for the action skill, there's no way to add more without removing controller support.
Still not having NewGame+ is absolutely shameful. This didn’t sell well IMO and I don’t believe 2k/Gearbox saying it “did better than expected”. It’s really unfortunate that I believe Gearbox is doomed(no good story narrative ever coming back). Besides, Randy has sold his company to Embracer so he doesn’t care if the dlc(plc) is garbage or if the franchise crashes
i think the main issue with wonderlands is that it fails to deliver on all of its improvements that it was presenting;
• melee is subsequently shafted to be a stat stick post-launch, despite the contrary notion.
• this definitely had a bit more refinery in aspects of the writing and its return to form with lower peak numbers and less inflation were nice! unfortunately, there is now **100** chaos levels, it feels like parody that this sort of artificial endgame scaling was subsequently a problem that they HAD solved, and decided to UNRESOLVE it.
• chaos chambers is some of the best endgame content we've had, right besides the maliwan takedown - cartels and so on. it is not enough to carry the endgame solely on premise, especially when its procedural-generated to some extent. making it the sole focus of the endgame really soured everything else once the dust settled.
• build diversity is arguably worse than borderlands 2, with an even smaller fractal of items being usable for endgame.
• the pitfall of only two elements being relatively viable somehow reared its head after being somewhat fixed in bl3.
• ??? a very estranged development cycle.
• vendors are clogged with an unreal amount of bloat.
• side-quests are no longer optional, but an enforced route you have to take to stay on-level. i don't know what the direction was for this, but it certainly was unnecessary.
• loot luck, as a mechanic. it's just so inconvenient for anyone who plays the game for the first time - and stays inconvenient for lategame.
a common term you'll see here is 'feature bloat', there's so much stuff that i think everyone collectively forgot that these mechanics were there to give newer players more quality-of-life - but you don't hear that anymore. it was practically coming out of every borderlands youtuber at the time, quality-of-life! you can slide into ammo crates to open them? cool? healing barrels???? exist??? they just seem absent.
i sincerely hope borderlands 4 will release in 2026-2027. i'd much rather take a full development cycle to make something to level my nostalgia once more. post-launch bl3 was impressive on how far it could rise from bein' kinda shite, but this is more of a slow crawl.
Wonderlands biggest fails are the endgame, farming and dlc's. All have not gotten much thought put into them compaired to other borderlands games
The campaign was okay, not the best. Chaos chamber was boring as hell. And the boss fights were, for the most part very disappointing because the dedicated drops had a very small chance of dropping and if they do drop legendaries, they were world drops. I've farm dryl so many times and I saw his staff and sniper drop every like 15 runs or so but he can drop world drop legendaries all the time. Another problem with this game is, like you said, they do have weekly updates for this game and they buff everything except rocket launchers and I wished that they would increase the level cap so that we could have higher chances at having more powerful gear. A lot of people want pearlescent gear but gearbox said to do that they have to get rid of a weapon manufacturer in order to do so. I'm done with this game. So good for it when gearbox said it did well financially, but they're blind to the truth.
Bl3 sucked too let's be honest. Bl2 was the absolute best game and I really dont think they will ever top it. With all the woke bs and boring ass story that they have shit out.
BL3 had insanely good gameplay and endgame tho. Plus the build diversity was great
@@JeromeBlessedHolloway I do agree with that but man it was kinda boring and the story just felt woke and unfunny. Idk I just felt bored playing it. None of the side quest felt original either. I do like the gameplay just mindlessly killing tho I'm still playing it atm lol
Game was a shameless cash in. There were warning signs.
Hard disagree with people that say the campaign was good but the dlc sucked. The campaign wasn't good either. Very obvious the maps were as little as they could get away with. Hence the stupid random battle thing being in an arena.
Randy was just blowing smoke. Steam stats show 15k players at launch, down to about 1.5k daily players.
1 skill tree for each character is a huge problem to me.
Terrible legendary weapons are a huge issue.
Not very many legendary weapons is also a problem.
Not enough bosses.
The best weapons shouldn't be guns you throw..
You know you can have 2 skill trees right? If you quit that early I recommend working for IGN.
@@CatsOnMars420even with 2 skill trees theres 100% less skills overall than previous BL games. Bad take
@@rapid_rivers3294You can customize your synergy and all of the skills are useful.
I don't think B3 was finished until we got the re-roll machine anyway.
Bought it and saw the pronouns you could choose and deletet it
It didn't get any better, the whole game is built around gay and lesbian politics with several insults and digs at straight while men, there's literally a whole set of missions in this game about gay ghost pirates, yes you heard that correctly, gay ghost pirates. it should be banned.
I was waiting for Wonderlands to get better before I buy it. Regretfully it never have.
Now I am waiting for it to be free on Epic Games Store, since it's not worth a buy at any lesser discount than -80%.
Chaos chambers being endgame killed wondelands for me. I have the season pass. I've done none of them. No reason to. No wwapons to grind for. Deluge is slagg 2.o. chaos chambers is mayhem levels minus a kaoson or a plaguebarer.
I think the reason why TTWL failed was because the fact it felt like what the Pre Sequel was to Borderlands 2. It was a much more diet version of the game that came before it. Not to mention all the DLC was just "Hey it's just Chaos Chamber! But even more!" It's like finishing a bowl of dog food and getting rewarded with another bag of dog food.
Tell this to Randy. According to him it did better than expected lol. I fully agree with you, but its still funny seeing this man double down on some idea based on lies
Borderlands showed off what DLC done right is. Tiny Tina's DLC shows what DLC has become.
Remember how amazing the DLC were? Claptrap's robot revolution?? GENERAL KNOXX??!?! I mean it didn't get much better then those. Long amazing stories that felt like stand alone games. I loved BL1 and BL2, B L3 story was terrible, but at least the gunplay was great. Tiny Tina's could have been 1000/10 DLC, but instead its an eh game that further ruins the reputation for Borderlands franchise.
I was a die hard fan and now i could care less. The heart left the franchise and it's sad to see.
I love bl3’s dlc so much I started speed running it least favorite is Krieg dlc most favorite is bounty.
Regards Wonderlands weekly hotfixes, a few weeks ago we had one that (other than the weekly rotations) only adjusted 1 piece of text. A week or 2 after that the hotfix was just the weekly rotations. Smacks of GB giving up on the game to me
They got too woke
The gameplay just doesn't feel good. It's slow, gun play feels "off", and is just not good. Maybe it get's better after you hit mid game but I've tried 3-4x to push past level 15 and it's just too boring. I don't get why it feels so slow and clunky either as it's obviously built off of BL3's engine. Tiny Tina's expansion for BL2 worked because it had the gameplay of BL2, obviously. This was trying to capitalize on the expansion's popularity while changing way too much of what worked in BL3. Glad I didn't pay for it, as even as a "free" game on PS Plus I feel ripped-off, lol
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Campaign was super short and wasn't a fan on level 40 being cap. Kinda disappointed, overall I had fun but seemed cut off.
I think Wonderlands was supposed to be Borderlands 3 DLC, but then they changed it into a 'full' game. It explains why it's so short and why the DLC sucks. It's a cheap way to get a buck.
I still haven't got to play mine, crashes non stop when trying to design my character...
Base game was fun but end game was repetitive and mediocre compared to the raids of previous titles and then we got the worse dlc in borderlands history to date so yeah being excited about the game became impossible and I ended up going back to bl3 and bl2.