Hey everyone. I just wanna mention that I had a very hard time choosing characters for this ranking, so I looked at around 30 tier lists and ranked them off of those.
All good I didn’t take it that way. My opinions are weird and I’ll admit it, I think 3 of these characters I’ve changed my mind for. It was really hard making this video since I just could not decide on what character to choose so I might have rushed it a little idk. But I appreciate the mindfulness
@@GNVS300 its easier to spot future's head poking out of the spawn since the charged spot is so flashy, but he is probably more dangerous, also well done!
I once got highest vanquish and vanquish streak as camo cactus on a mystery portal that has commando corn and camo cactus for plants and camo ranger and super commando for the zombies on time park while on console
I feel like one of the reasons torchwood seem to under perform when used is just due to the fact of the communities combined utter hatred for it and so everybody goes full sweat mode to try and kill you. Which is understandable.
I remember when I first got my Camo Cactus. I'm level 9 (Cactus) in PVZ GW 1 so I hadn't had any previous experience with it. At first (before using this plant) I thought it was trash because of the zoom and the recharge speed. When I started playing Camo Cactus nobody could stop me with 60 damage per critic shot. One of my favorite plants
Dr Toxic: Disagree. This guy is widely considered one of the worst Scientists, I've seen people on Reddit get upset because people say Archeo is worse than him, but he can still dish out some good damage, and I love using the toxic aura on Energy Warp to troll Chompers. One of the worst of his class but I never see anyone praise him. Zoologist: SORT of agree. I think it's unfair to compare him to the Chemist given they serve different purposes, but I think he's basically a worse Marine Biologist with less damage and no range. I think Chemist's gimmick is a good trade off for being point blank only while Zoologist's only strength to make up for his melee only game is that he's full auto. Partyman: Agree. His lower clip really hurts his shotgun. Druid Rose: HARD agree. She does fire faster, but her projectile speed is slow as hell and she is basically a downgrade of reg Rose, who isn't that good in the first place. She's better than Fire Rose but that's about it. Fire Pea: Disagree. His damage is worse than Reg Pea's, but splash plus fire is a disgusting combo, and he's basically a better Toxic Pea. Torchwood: Agree. Weak primary, large hitbox and he gets bummed. Bandit Cactus: Disagree. I do stand with some of your reasons (the soldier comparisons are pretty awful given her bloom), but she actually shreds if you land shots. Sharkbite: HARD disagree. I never see them in games, and there's no fucking WAY he's the worst Pirate when Squawk and Flameface exist. I get his damage is worse than reg Deadbeard's, but he zooms further and has splash. Vampire Flower: HARD agree. She's good with upgrades and it's useful to attack people from behind, but her damage and accuracy aren't great, and she is not even close to one of the best Sunflowers. Camo Cactus: HARD agree, and this completely makes up for your bad Sharkbite take. She can two shot people... with a damage upgrade, she's pitiful without it and she still has the second lowest DPS. Also having the WORST close range capability and reload in the game, Also a penetration instead of ammo when she only has 5 shots? Really? Gotta say the whole rant about Camo felt cathartic given how that Spquarky Insta guy sent his army of Camo mains in my direction to harass me when I said she was one of the worst characters in the game. Like the guy who wanks off modded controllers is to be taken seriously lol
Idk, probably just me But i find even Squawk better than camo as he has atleast the possibility to kill someone in a close range fight, ik his close range is still trash but atleast he has a chance a FULL ON SNIPER just is useless close range and giving that most zombie classes in this game are mostly in your face (Scientists, Superbrainz, All stars, Some soldiers and imps, Roadie Z, even pirates who are the cactus sniping equivilant have a short range attack) And because of that, you have to resort to staying in the back picking people off which is ALSO bad on console cuz aiming is a lot harder (hence why splash characters like Pea / Scientist are played so much on console) So you pretty much have a sniper which in a close range fight is one of the easiest kills you ever get and long range atleast on console is not that big of a threat
@@MuffinTheStudent yeah the GW2 meta is pretty unfavourable towards Cacti in general as there's far less sniping points and the three new classes are probably the three biggest counters to Cacti. But at least most other Cacti are somewhat competent at close range, Camo just isn't. Plus she got nerfed from GW1 as I'm pretty sure she gets an ammo upgrade on that game. Also, you can trigger mash with Squawk to do more damage with the Flem Thrower. Doesn't bump him up massively, but people claim Roadie is the best Engineer just because trigger mashing bumps his damage up, so Squawk at least deserves some credit for that
@@GNVS300 As someone who has mastered Squawk, yea the button mashing has helped me a few times but thats it. Its the same with spray chompers, even if its a bit better, you still arent gonna magically make them into 20 bomb characters with it, it just sometimes makes you survive certain fights if your lucky
Nice nice video but disagree with some characters like zoologist which has the 4th highest dps of the scientist while the chemist has the weaned dps of the entire class. Yeah chemist has spread and better range but the dps is way better so it’s kinda even. Captain sharkbite has better range, accuracy and splash so he’s actually pretty good I have camp Cactus mastered and I think he’s awful as well lol
FINALLY someone else understands my argument against torchwood being in S tier. You die instantly! He’s not great at range, which means you have to go up close and then the enemy teammates will gun you down the second they see you because “you are the most dangerous on their team”
The reason people didn't realized the health regenerating with Super Brainz is because, when landing punches on your enemies, you regenerate 1.5 health every 0.3 seconds, that lasts for 2 seconds resulting in a health gain of about 12, this is kinda similar to Vampire Flower's Life Leach primary, the upgrades that can help Super Brainz with this special thing, is either "Low Life" "Vampiric" "Recuperate" or "Fearless" which can help him with his special thing
I agree with most of these but I really really disagree with camo cactus, zoologist and druid rose. And that come from someone who don't play camo if you actually know how to play her then you will have an amazing time since she is like the ultimate sniper character so to say she suck upclose for being the ultimate sniper character is a bit eh. Druid rose is no way in hell the worst rose that is probably the fire rose rank as you hit almost like reg rose except you get the toxic damage with random hit shot. And zoologist IMO is not a downgrade chemist but a character of his own since he work more like a marine biologist or reg scientist but without range but have the power of fully automatic so in theory you could kill anything the fastest and easiest as him as you can just hold down trigger upclose.
Zoologist can kill quicker than chemist. Archeologist is the worst scientist by a mile. bandit is criminally underrated also she has 24 shots with ammo upgrade hits 12 up close and has the same bloom as foot soldier . She can be used long range by tap firing rather than holding the fire button. Toxic rose is well rated not overrated.
@@noahstarves He hits 13 with a body shot from range and a close range headshot he can do 33 damage. I doubt that splash can save him from being the worst scientist
Okay, here's the thing: many of the characters on this list are not good whatsoever in team vanquish/gnome bomb/surburbination, but absolutely destroy in gardens and graveyards. Fire Pea for 1v1 is terrible, I agree, but with more compacted zombies (for example: turf takeover) he is very good to just give a bunch of zombies Fire damage. Just his shots alone against fewer zombies is weaker. Druid rose- there is a much, much faster rate of Fire, which makes up for the damage loss. The toxicity is near to nothing, but it adds on a bit. Torchwood-his primary and super heated mode is eh, but his Blazing blast and leaf shield is absolutely broken to no end. These two abilities are incredibly op, and Blazing blast is basically the instant win button if you're in close range of a zombie. Vampire flower- again, terrible in team-vanquish type game modes, since she isn't good against zombies that are only targeting her, but when in turf, she isn't as much of a target, and so she can camp with her teammates while healing them and herself all the while dealing damage. Her loss of health is only to make sure she's not too op.
Nice this is the video I wanted and now it’s out. Really great just as your other videos. I have also always hated camo cactus so I used future cactus instead
I disagree with druid rose, sure she's kinda overrated but I think the toxic damage makes up for the 2 or 3 damage loss plus it's satisfying when you hit a streak of like 10 petals
i see vamp in the thumbnail and i already agree edit: nevermind i don't see how dr. toxic is overrated considering nobody ever mentions him edit 2: fire pea is definitely one of the weaker peas, but i wouldn't consider him overrated because of how many peashooters are normally ranked higher than him. good character nonetheless but eh ?? edit 3: how the hell is bandit cactus on here? i want a genuine explanation? did i convince you that hard? if mechanic is a good character, why not bandit? mechanic has a worse spray. i get the abilities but i've never seen anybody except for myself saying she's a good character edit 4: this isn't a hate tier list, this is an overrated character tier list. camo is first? she's always in C, D or F in most tier lists
Ok whoo, so bandit, played her for around 30 minutes for the recording and off screen gameplay, she has good spray sure, mechanic has 35 shots and imo more accurate and faster rate of fire, plus jackhammer for mobility and sonic grenade for stun and slowing. (fuck bolt blaster) Camo is (from what i've seen) been mostly C or D yes, however she doesn't even deserve those spots. F or nothing. F tier garbage character
@@noahstarves i like arguing over dead vegetable games if you couldn't tell i didn't say the spray was good, the spray is a bad thing. bandit is a sniper, after all. it was more of a "why isn't mechanic with bandit then," and she's in some of the low tiers in most lists. abilities are possibly the only downside other than the spray camo i understand but i don't really agree, she's kinda cracked if you can aim well but the reload is horrible
That's why camo is trash, reload is horrible. Also considering you can basically deal the amount of damage camo does in 1 shot with future cactus maybe a little less faster but still
Idk camo cactus can kill 125 hp characters in a second, the only Cactus that can top that is future, also you want to zoom in shoot, zoom out really fast up close. Also reg and camo have nearly the same amount damage per clip. I personally find camo operated and underated at the same time. 3.5 seconds isn't that long, the crits only goes against her when fighting a mech.
Vampflower is basically Black Box unlock for Soldier in TF2. Many ppl rage about these two due to health regen but ignore that they both lack crucial stats(black boz has one less rocket aka less dmg) and vamp lacks hp
If Zoologist is here, then Chemist should be here too(at the fcking 1st place) Since when was Fire Pea overrated? Captain Partyman and Captain Sharkbite are meh, but not overrated Bandit Cactus is underrated, her weapon doesn't suffer from damage drop-off and she can use Tall-nuts and Potato Nugget Mine to play aggressively Torchwood is a literal powerhouse for his high health and a decent primary weapon; additionally, his three abilities are insane; his big hitbox is designed for his role as a tank => not that good but at least in the upper bracket of characters Alien Flower, Goalie Star, Hot Rod Chomper and Iron Citron should be here too Druid Rose is of course overrated, but I think she's not that bad. The reason of people overrating her is probably the fact that she used to be ZackScottGames' favorite Rose character
Dont know why but alaways when i see these underrated or oversted character videos it kinda pisses me of i mean i dont really play any of the characters here but i atleast always played characters that where favirote to me not whos better and i dont see the point i playing as a better character in pvz games no hard feelings not atacking you or your video it just makes me kinda eHh hood video anyways
I feel the reason people like Druid rose is because her shots are slower which is good and bad good because they pretty much never miss but bad because it takes longer to kill
I always hated Camo Cactus, and with me also being a Camo Variant, my play style doesn't change a thing to outshine Camo Cactus since I'm probably somewhere near the bottom tier list
Torchwood is like Heavy from Tf2, if enemy team Doesn't pay attention, sure, you'll get tons of kills, but without team support and if enemy team focuses you, you'll be nearly useless always
While I agree that Camo cactus is dogshit in team vanquish and is not very good in general she actually does have use in turf. A youtuber I know once got 94 kills in turf by sitting in the back with her so even though she not good if you know how to use her she can destroy a lobby however that won’t happen in any other mode that’s not turf so she still is not good. Regarding vampire flower you might not know that she took a big damage nerf in 2018 which means she now does only like 6 or 7 damage per shot from mid or long range which to me is just a croc of crap, compare this to the power flower which does more damage regardless of if you have the damage upgrade or not (although it really helps her if she does have it) but can also handle groups well thanks to the one of the best electric effects in the game (you can probably tell I like power a lot lol). She is easily in the bottom bracket of sunflowers along with maybe metal petal cos she is slow and perhaps fire flower due to her lack of a damage upgrade which makes it hard for her to defend herself as her base damage is quite weak and fire upgrade barely helps with this. Overall this is very good list. If I made one though I would put yeti chomper on it probably cos boy do I HATE him. :)
My list: 10: Rugby star 9: Wrestling star 8: Dr toxic 7: Armor chomper 6: Astronaut 5: Jade cactus 4: Camo cactus 3: Tennis star 2: marine biologist 1: toxic pea
Honorable mentions Z7 you need spot on aiming Agent pea he has no splash damage has low heath and you have to focus on your targets Future Cactus so annoying when you just want to play scientist or imp
Have I been living under a rock? Cus like, I have never heard anyone say that Dr toxic is overrated. If anything I thought that everyone thinks that he is bellow average. Speaking of overrated, I would personally put marine biologist there. He looses quite a lot of damage for like what, quick unload and that's pretty much it. The damage distence drop-off is pretty bad too. Even a regular scientist has not as bad damage distence drop-off. I kind of understand why people think he's good and tbh, he isn't really bad, but I wouldn't go above and beyond to say that he's the best scientist.
Ok, I have so many things to say about this list that I don’t agree with, but the main one is that you put zoologist on this; zoologist is literally the better version of chemist. Chemist has the worst dps in the scientist class and zoologist is better than chemist in every way possible, zoologist has a dps of 77.5 while chemist has a mere 55.4. Zoologist has almost double the rate of fire. ZOOLOGIST is underrated while CHEMIST is overrated.
Here's the thing: DPS isn't everything. and plus Marine Biologist is better than Zoologist in every way. Chemist has much greater spread which doesn't sound like much but you can take out groups and plus it's almost impossible for the enemy to escape if you get close enough to them.
People in groups will just shoot you and kill you before you get to them. And if I am close range to them I would rather be able to kill them faster instead of get attacked by whatever bs they would throw at me
idc what anyone says, I HATE mystic flower. In the time it takes to charge a shot, you could have the guy in front of you dead with almost any other sunflower. And if you miss a shot, you're just fucked.
I remember how you told us during the stream how you had to add and or remove characters due to everyone telling you other characters that were overrated lol
Completely agree on camo cactus. I remember when I first got her I was excited because I thought she would be such a great sniper, because other people had hyped her so much, and used her very well. Instead, she shoots so slowly, and her enhanced zoom is such garbage that for me, she is really the worst cactus in the game. Of course, it's really all about play style isn't it? I've seen people who've done very well with her, I've seen multiple videos with people saying she is their personal favorite to use in the whole game. (Which was why I was so excited when I got her). I absolutely cannot use her to save my life.
I understand why you would hate camo cactus, however, she is an amazing captain cannon counter, as she can two shot captain cannon (Without heath upgrade). Other than that, I would just use reg cactus instead.
zoologist is easily the better scientist, His kill time is so much better then chemist, the problem is people dont realise you should play both differently.
Bandit overrated? I litteraly never see anyone play her. She's one of the cacti that I barely ever see in an online match. Also Vampire Flower is by far one of the characters in garden ops so I wouldn't say she's overrated in that but this is probably based on multiplayer.
Well garden ops is a different story or overrated and underrated, bandit however I see sometimes and a lot of people in my chat when I stream tell me she’s good and honestly I can’t see it
@@noahstarves that's probably just your experience then because I only encounter a bandit cactus every full moon, then again this type of stuff always comes down to experience
Every single one of my favorite characters is gonna be on this list Edit: I was wrong. 8:26 also holy shit bro calm down, you act like he killed you’re family Edit 2: 2:44 All roses sucks
Okay, feel free to verbally harass me here, but HERE WE GO! I agree with everything except for Camo Cactus, as I adored using her in GW1, with heavy camo customizations. HIDE AND SEEK CHAMPION BABEEEEEEE! Anyways, she's literally the sniper subclass in the marksman class. She's not meant to be a close range killer. That's what mines and nearby allies are for. Just sit on the farthest range you can find, like how she's meant to be played, and pick off lower health enemies. Also, if the enemy is an Imp, 75% of that little shit is just head, so FREE KILL! Even still, I prefer future cactus, buuuuuuut I will always defend my prickly sniper bae.
It's very weird seeing Dr Toxic and Captain Sharkbite on the List, since they're rarely seen, making them underated. Camo Cactus being the most overrated? Oh no! That 100% goes to Toxic Brainz.
I love camo for one reason that slow fire rate is fine because I just sit back and never get killed so he is Perfect for me andy play style but I agree with the rest except vamp I lover her consept
Ok for camo I understand what you're saying and I do agree she's overrated, however I do like playing her because I do like the bolt action sniper thing she has, but I do wish to at least give her a damage buff for at least body or give a upgrade that you can equip that lowers your zoom
Hey everyone. I just wanna mention that I had a very hard time choosing characters for this ranking, so I looked at around 30 tier lists and ranked them off of those.
That's dumb. Usually I'm not gonna spike someone's opinion. But you must not know what overrated means.
@@Mr._Mr. Yes, I know what overrated means. I just said I casted my opinions on overrated characters based on the tierlists I looked at.
@@noahstarves No hate at all. Just feel like there's a bit of inaccuracy with it. Sorry if what I said sounded negative.
All good I didn’t take it that way. My opinions are weird and I’ll admit it, I think 3 of these characters I’ve changed my mind for. It was really hard making this video since I just could not decide on what character to choose so I might have rushed it a little idk. But I appreciate the mindfulness
@@noahstarves Yeah man. Live life how you want. Do what you love. Have your own opinions. Just didn't want to sound like a prick.
The only time i'm afraid of camo cactus is when they hide at their spawn in the first point of the moon turf map
Same for Future, but I once battered one across the map with Painter
@@GNVS300 its easier to spot future's head poking out of the spawn since the charged spot is so flashy, but he is probably more dangerous, also well done!
Yeah
I once got highest vanquish and vanquish streak as camo cactus on a mystery portal that has commando corn and camo cactus for plants and camo ranger and super commando for the zombies on time park while on console
In garden warfare 1 you didn’t heal to max health alone, you needed a healer to heal you so the fire and toxic characters were op af
Except Toxic Chomper, he sucks
It's the same with camo cactus. It only took 1-2 shots to kill someone but now with the healing in GW2 she isn't as good.
I feel like one of the reasons torchwood seem to under perform when used is just due to the fact of the communities combined utter hatred for it and so everybody goes full sweat mode to try and kill you. Which is understandable.
Druid rose is my favorite rose, it’s just that it’s only good at long range assist kills. The toxic radius is personally quite useful.
I remember when I first got my Camo Cactus. I'm level 9 (Cactus) in PVZ GW 1 so I hadn't had any previous experience with it.
At first (before using this plant) I thought it was trash because of the zoom and the recharge speed. When I started playing Camo Cactus nobody could stop me with 60 damage per critic shot.
One of my favorite plants
Dr Toxic: Disagree. This guy is widely considered one of the worst Scientists, I've seen people on Reddit get upset because people say Archeo is worse than him, but he can still dish out some good damage, and I love using the toxic aura on Energy Warp to troll Chompers. One of the worst of his class but I never see anyone praise him.
Zoologist: SORT of agree. I think it's unfair to compare him to the Chemist given they serve different purposes, but I think he's basically a worse Marine Biologist with less damage and no range. I think Chemist's gimmick is a good trade off for being point blank only while Zoologist's only strength to make up for his melee only game is that he's full auto.
Partyman: Agree. His lower clip really hurts his shotgun.
Druid Rose: HARD agree. She does fire faster, but her projectile speed is slow as hell and she is basically a downgrade of reg Rose, who isn't that good in the first place. She's better than Fire Rose but that's about it.
Fire Pea: Disagree. His damage is worse than Reg Pea's, but splash plus fire is a disgusting combo, and he's basically a better Toxic Pea.
Torchwood: Agree. Weak primary, large hitbox and he gets bummed.
Bandit Cactus: Disagree. I do stand with some of your reasons (the soldier comparisons are pretty awful given her bloom), but she actually shreds if you land shots.
Sharkbite: HARD disagree. I never see them in games, and there's no fucking WAY he's the worst Pirate when Squawk and Flameface exist. I get his damage is worse than reg Deadbeard's, but he zooms further and has splash.
Vampire Flower: HARD agree. She's good with upgrades and it's useful to attack people from behind, but her damage and accuracy aren't great, and she is not even close to one of the best Sunflowers.
Camo Cactus: HARD agree, and this completely makes up for your bad Sharkbite take. She can two shot people... with a damage upgrade, she's pitiful without it and she still has the second lowest DPS. Also having the WORST close range capability and reload in the game, Also a penetration instead of ammo when she only has 5 shots? Really?
Gotta say the whole rant about Camo felt cathartic given how that Spquarky Insta guy sent his army of Camo mains in my direction to harass me when I said she was one of the worst characters in the game. Like the guy who wanks off modded controllers is to be taken seriously lol
Came cactus? More like camo cucktus
Idk, probably just me
But i find even Squawk better than camo as he has atleast the possibility to kill someone in a close range fight, ik his close range is still trash but atleast he has a chance
a FULL ON SNIPER just is useless close range and giving that most zombie classes in this game are mostly in your face (Scientists, Superbrainz, All stars, Some soldiers and imps, Roadie Z, even pirates who are the cactus sniping equivilant have a short range attack)
And because of that, you have to resort to staying in the back picking people off which is ALSO bad on console cuz aiming is a lot harder (hence why splash characters like Pea / Scientist are played so much on console)
So you pretty much have a sniper which in a close range fight is one of the easiest kills you ever get and long range atleast on console is not that big of a threat
@@MuffinTheStudent yeah the GW2 meta is pretty unfavourable towards Cacti in general as there's far less sniping points and the three new classes are probably the three biggest counters to Cacti. But at least most other Cacti are somewhat competent at close range, Camo just isn't. Plus she got nerfed from GW1 as I'm pretty sure she gets an ammo upgrade on that game.
Also, you can trigger mash with Squawk to do more damage with the Flem Thrower. Doesn't bump him up massively, but people claim Roadie is the best Engineer just because trigger mashing bumps his damage up, so Squawk at least deserves some credit for that
@@GNVS300 As someone who has mastered Squawk, yea the button mashing has helped me a few times but thats it.
Its the same with spray chompers, even if its a bit better, you still arent gonna magically make them into 20 bomb characters with it, it just sometimes makes you survive certain fights if your lucky
Nice nice video but disagree with some characters like zoologist which has the 4th highest dps of the scientist while the chemist has the weaned dps of the entire class. Yeah chemist has spread and better range but the dps is way better so it’s kinda even.
Captain sharkbite has better range, accuracy and splash so he’s actually pretty good
I have camp Cactus mastered and I think he’s awful as well lol
Congrats on 1k Noah , you deserve it Im happy seeing amazing GW 2 Content in 2022
Congrats on 1K! I’d love to see something big for the 1k special like a teir list of every character
Not a bad idea!
FINALLY someone else understands my argument against torchwood being in S tier. You die instantly! He’s not great at range, which means you have to go up close and then the enemy teammates will gun you down the second they see you because “you are the most dangerous on their team”
Im honestly quite suprised lil drake isnt on here. 80 percent of imp players go for him.
i see more defaults and z7s
i play him sometimes
Mech is shit
But fire damage is usefull in my opinion
When you get the damage upgrade camo cactus becomes not hell
Good video, I've not finished the video yet but so far a completely agree, and also congrats on 900 subscribers, I wish you luck on 1k
Already hit 1k!
Omg how didnt I notice, I feel rather silly now lol sorry
No worries!
@@noahstarves you are growing at an extreme rate it was literally a few days ago when i subbed when you were at 400-500
The reason people didn't realized the health regenerating with Super Brainz is because, when landing punches on your enemies, you regenerate 1.5 health every 0.3 seconds, that lasts for 2 seconds resulting in a health gain of about 12, this is kinda similar to Vampire Flower's Life Leach primary, the upgrades that can help Super Brainz with this special thing, is either "Low Life" "Vampiric" "Recuperate" or "Fearless" which can help him with his special thing
I agree with most of these but I really really disagree with camo cactus, zoologist and druid rose. And that come from someone who don't play camo if you actually know how to play her then you will have an amazing time since she is like the ultimate sniper character so to say she suck upclose for being the ultimate sniper character is a bit eh. Druid rose is no way in hell the worst rose that is probably the fire rose rank as you hit almost like reg rose except you get the toxic damage with random hit shot. And zoologist IMO is not a downgrade chemist but a character of his own since he work more like a marine biologist or reg scientist but without range but have the power of fully automatic so in theory you could kill anything the fastest and easiest as him as you can just hold down trigger upclose.
Can you do a map tier list?
Eventually
Zoologist can kill quicker than chemist. Archeologist is the worst scientist by a mile. bandit is criminally underrated also she has 24 shots with ammo upgrade hits 12 up close and has the same bloom as foot soldier . She can be used long range by tap firing rather than holding the fire button. Toxic rose is well rated not overrated.
I can see how zoo isn’t the worst however archaeologist is for some reason broken. He cheeses hitboxes with his splash
@@noahstarves He hits 13 with a body shot from range and a close range headshot he can do 33 damage. I doubt that splash can save him from being the worst scientist
I still think Chemist is better than Zoologist, but yeah Archaeologist is the worst by a mile
8:08 FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME
Okay, here's the thing: many of the characters on this list are not good whatsoever in team vanquish/gnome bomb/surburbination, but absolutely destroy in gardens and graveyards.
Fire Pea for 1v1 is terrible, I agree, but with more compacted zombies (for example: turf takeover) he is very good to just give a bunch of zombies Fire damage. Just his shots alone against fewer zombies is weaker.
Druid rose- there is a much, much faster rate of Fire, which makes up for the damage loss. The toxicity is near to nothing, but it adds on a bit.
Torchwood-his primary and super heated mode is eh, but his Blazing blast and leaf shield is absolutely broken to no end. These two abilities are incredibly op, and Blazing blast is basically the instant win button if you're in close range of a zombie.
Vampire flower- again, terrible in team-vanquish type game modes, since she isn't good against zombies that are only targeting her, but when in turf, she isn't as much of a target, and so she can camp with her teammates while healing them and herself all the while dealing damage. Her loss of health is only to make sure she's not too op.
smh zoologist is better than chemist
also how is captain party man overrated is he isn't thought to be good
noooo zoo isn't better than chemist imo
Captain partyman is imo just worse deadbeard
@@noahstarves zoologist trades range for way better damage output, and what i said with captain party man still stands
i recently started playing again and im flabbergasted people still make videos about this, imma subscribe
This is a great video. Disagree with alot of these points but your camo cactus rant was genuinely funny
Nice this is the video I wanted and now it’s out. Really great just as your other videos. I have also always hated camo cactus so I used future cactus instead
Yep I remembered we voted if mob cob is overrated from your stream yesterday. Well congratulations on 1k subs
I disagree with druid rose, sure she's kinda overrated but I think the toxic damage makes up for the 2 or 3 damage loss
plus it's satisfying when you hit a streak of like 10 petals
during the camo cactus rant even crazy Dave is mad
i see vamp in the thumbnail and i already agree
edit: nevermind i don't see how dr. toxic is overrated considering nobody ever mentions him
edit 2: fire pea is definitely one of the weaker peas, but i wouldn't consider him overrated because of how many peashooters are normally ranked higher than him. good character nonetheless but eh ??
edit 3: how the hell is bandit cactus on here? i want a genuine explanation? did i convince you that hard? if mechanic is a good character, why not bandit? mechanic has a worse spray. i get the abilities but i've never seen anybody except for myself saying she's a good character
edit 4: this isn't a hate tier list, this is an overrated character tier list. camo is first? she's always in C, D or F in most tier lists
Ok whoo, so bandit, played her for around 30 minutes for the recording and off screen gameplay, she has good spray sure, mechanic has 35 shots and imo more accurate and faster rate of fire, plus jackhammer for mobility and sonic grenade for stun and slowing. (fuck bolt blaster)
Camo is (from what i've seen) been mostly C or D yes, however she doesn't even deserve those spots. F or nothing. F tier garbage character
@@noahstarves i like arguing over dead vegetable games if you couldn't tell
i didn't say the spray was good, the spray is a bad thing. bandit is a sniper, after all. it was more of a "why isn't mechanic with bandit then," and she's in some of the low tiers in most lists. abilities are possibly the only downside other than the spray
camo i understand but i don't really agree, she's kinda cracked if you can aim well but the reload is horrible
That's why camo is trash, reload is horrible. Also considering you can basically deal the amount of damage camo does in 1 shot with future cactus maybe a little less faster but still
Idk camo cactus can kill 125 hp characters in a second, the only Cactus that can top that is future, also you want to zoom in shoot, zoom out really fast up close. Also reg and camo have nearly the same amount damage per clip. I personally find camo operated and underated at the same time. 3.5 seconds isn't that long, the crits only goes against her when fighting a mech.
future cactus is the shit
@@cartisrevenge future Cactus is like the best Cactus.
Vampflower is basically Black Box unlock for Soldier in TF2. Many ppl rage about these two due to health regen but ignore that they both lack crucial stats(black boz has one less rocket aka less dmg) and vamp lacks hp
If Zoologist is here, then Chemist should be here too(at the fcking 1st place)
Since when was Fire Pea overrated?
Captain Partyman and Captain Sharkbite are meh, but not overrated
Bandit Cactus is underrated, her weapon doesn't suffer from damage drop-off and she can use Tall-nuts and Potato Nugget Mine to play aggressively
Torchwood is a literal powerhouse for his high health and a decent primary weapon; additionally, his three abilities are insane; his big hitbox is designed for his role as a tank => not that good but at least in the upper bracket of characters
Alien Flower, Goalie Star, Hot Rod Chomper and Iron Citron should be here too
Druid Rose is of course overrated, but I think she's not that bad. The reason of people overrating her is probably the fact that she used to be ZackScottGames' favorite Rose character
I would say shark bite is Underrated as you can spam aim and shoot and shoot really fast and mow through somebody close range
bandit cactus isn't overrated in my opinion, rarely see anyone talk about her and/or use her and that's a shame because she's really good
What about mystic sunflower? what do u think about him?
Sunflower is a girl, and she sucks in my opinion
Zoologist is just Dr. Chester from GW1
Where toxic pea? Toxic pea waaaaaayyyy overrated
Dont know why but alaways when i see these underrated or oversted character videos it kinda pisses me of i mean i dont really play any of the characters here but i atleast always played characters that where favirote to me not whos better and i dont see the point i playing as a better character in pvz games no hard feelings not atacking you or your video it just makes me kinda eHh hood video anyways
I feel as though he hates camo catcus and her headshot damage because he cant hit heads. Genuine skill issue detected?
7:17 yeah I only use it to kill zombie bosses over and over again
Exactly like why use camo cactus when future cactus can deal twice as much damage, and it’s charge shot charges up after camo shoots like twice
When do you start streaming?????
I feel the reason people like Druid rose is because her shots are slower which is good and bad good because they pretty much never miss but bad because it takes longer to kill
congrats on 1k subs
I have been waiting for this video!
“Yeah thanks for the 900 subs btw guys!” Me: “Yeaaahhhh about that…”
When I tried out a future cactus after a camo one... OH MY GOD, it was so good.
think number one should be e pea
I dont get why you put doctor toxic as overrated, nobody uses him
I always hated Camo Cactus, and with me also being a Camo Variant, my play style doesn't change a thing to outshine Camo Cactus since I'm probably somewhere near the bottom tier list
Someone needs to make a video about what some of the characters in this game says because it’s hard to tell what some of them say and I’m interested
Torchwood is like Heavy from Tf2, if enemy team Doesn't pay attention, sure, you'll get tons of kills, but without team support and if enemy team focuses you, you'll be nearly useless always
Wait you’re a max rank but why do you still didn’t get camo cactus maxed?? I’m confused
It’s hard to explain but yes
You can max out every character but 3 and still get max rank
While I agree that Camo cactus is dogshit in team vanquish and is not very good in general she actually does have use in turf. A youtuber I know once got 94 kills in turf by sitting in the back with her so even though she not good if you know how to use her she can destroy a lobby however that won’t happen in any other mode that’s not turf so she still is not good. Regarding vampire flower you might not know that she took a big damage nerf in 2018 which means she now does only like 6 or 7 damage per shot from mid or long range which to me is just a croc of crap, compare this to the power flower which does more damage regardless of if you have the damage upgrade or not (although it really helps her if she does have it) but can also handle groups well thanks to the one of the best electric effects in the game (you can probably tell I like power a lot lol). She is easily in the bottom bracket of sunflowers along with maybe metal petal cos she is slow and perhaps fire flower due to her lack of a damage upgrade which makes it hard for her to defend herself as her base damage is quite weak and fire upgrade barely helps with this. Overall this is very good list. If I made one though I would put yeti chomper on it probably cos boy do I HATE him. :)
Just use future if you want burst damage from across a turf takover map, WITH the added bonus of 30 extra splash.
I cannot accept the fact that you put druid rose in this top
I love how my main zombie variants aren't considered overrated
I was not expecting the sheer rage at camo cactus 😂
Hot take: Metal Petal is better than Vampire Flower.
Whaa
6:49 i hate it too, and this is my first pirate unlocked
Got a 40 kill streak with camo cactus in turf once. Only died once but was revived…
Vamp flower slander will not be tolerated
Zoologist on this list hurt me
I watched your stream and I was just waiting for this video
My list: 10: Rugby star 9: Wrestling star 8: Dr toxic 7: Armor chomper 6: Astronaut 5: Jade cactus 4: Camo cactus 3: Tennis star 2: marine biologist 1: toxic pea
Honorable mentions
Z7 you need spot on aiming
Agent pea he has no splash damage has low heath and you have to focus on your targets
Future Cactus so annoying when you just want to play scientist or imp
camo cactus is SO good in GW 1 because most characters are gonna be at 63 hp since u can only half heal in GW1
Camo cactus is one of the bests of pvz gw1 lol, but she got heavily nerfed and the maps of gw2 don't help an exclusive sniper character at all.
I love how you just raged Noah your the about camo cactus is sooo funny that I replay it
The power of making pvz videos you grow fast
Have I been living under a rock?
Cus like, I have never heard anyone say that Dr toxic is overrated. If anything I thought that everyone thinks that he is bellow average.
Speaking of overrated, I would personally put marine biologist there. He looses quite a lot of damage for like what, quick unload and that's pretty much it. The damage distence drop-off is pretty bad too. Even a regular scientist has not as bad damage distence drop-off. I kind of understand why people think he's good and tbh, he isn't really bad, but I wouldn't go above and beyond to say that he's the best scientist.
Ok, I have so many things to say about this list that I don’t agree with, but the main one is that you put zoologist on this; zoologist is literally the better version of chemist. Chemist has the worst dps in the scientist class and zoologist is better than chemist in every way possible, zoologist has a dps of 77.5 while chemist has a mere 55.4. Zoologist has almost double the rate of fire. ZOOLOGIST is underrated while CHEMIST is overrated.
Here's the thing: DPS isn't everything. and plus Marine Biologist is better than Zoologist in every way. Chemist has much greater spread which doesn't sound like much but you can take out groups and plus it's almost impossible for the enemy to escape if you get close enough to them.
People in groups will just shoot you and kill you before you get to them. And if I am close range to them I would rather be able to kill them faster instead of get attacked by whatever bs they would throw at me
i'm GOD tier at camo cactus to the point that i prefer her over future, i just love getting constent 66 headshot almost every shot
I have sworn to master all cactuses, perhaps I shall make an exception
idc what anyone says, I HATE mystic flower. In the time it takes to charge a shot, you could have the guy in front of you dead with almost any other sunflower. And if you miss a shot, you're just fucked.
I remember how you told us during the stream how you had to add and or remove characters due to everyone telling you other characters that were overrated lol
Completely agree on camo cactus.
I remember when I first got her I was excited because I thought she would be such a great sniper, because other people had hyped her so much, and used her very well.
Instead, she shoots so slowly, and her enhanced zoom is such garbage that for me, she is really the worst cactus in the game.
Of course, it's really all about play style isn't it? I've seen people who've done very well with her, I've seen multiple videos with people saying she is their personal favorite to use in the whole game. (Which was why I was so excited when I got her).
I absolutely cannot use her to save my life.
Bro really just said that druid rose is bad lol🤣
Y’all hating on camo cactus too much for turf takeover if you can hit your shots and are good with a drone it can be quite useful to the team.
I understand why you would hate camo cactus, however, she is an amazing captain cannon counter, as she can two shot captain cannon (Without heath upgrade). Other than that, I would just use reg cactus instead.
Or just rush them captain cannon is really bad a close range
8:12 lmao maybe hit your shots then camo could be good
When i play for background footage, half the time i don't really care about how I perform
Noah that is not relevant to what he is trying to say
zoologist is easily the better scientist, His kill time is so much better then chemist, the problem is people dont realise you should play both differently.
Bandit overrated? I litteraly never see anyone play her. She's one of the cacti that I barely ever see in an online match. Also Vampire Flower is by far one of the characters in garden ops so I wouldn't say she's overrated in that but this is probably based on multiplayer.
Well garden ops is a different story or overrated and underrated, bandit however I see sometimes and a lot of people in my chat when I stream tell me she’s good and honestly I can’t see it
@@noahstarves that's probably just your experience then because I only encounter a bandit cactus every full moon, then again this type of stuff always comes down to experience
I agree with Druid Rose, Torchwood, Vampire Flower, and Camo. The rest I find to be on the more underrated side tbh.
I agree
Me too
I disagree with dr toxic and torch
Every single one of my favorite characters is gonna be on this list
Edit: I was wrong. 8:26 also holy shit bro calm down, you act like he killed you’re family
Edit 2: 2:44 All roses sucks
Camo cactus is useless in almost every thing except for Turf Wars. Despite of being the worst in close Range, she is my favorite cactus
Druid rose is really good yes the thistles are slower but they all hit at once giving the enemy less time to react
8:24 it takes camo cactus 0 seconds to do 1 shot, mabey you should've rephrase it.
Weekly or daily streams?
Daily for now, maybe down the road I’ll make an actual schedule
Can you please do the top 10 best roses
wow you are growing so fast
My most vanquish streak was 30 with the shadow flower lol
Okay, feel free to verbally harass me here, but HERE WE GO!
I agree with everything except for Camo Cactus, as I adored using her in GW1, with heavy camo customizations. HIDE AND SEEK CHAMPION BABEEEEEEE! Anyways, she's literally the sniper subclass in the marksman class. She's not meant to be a close range killer. That's what mines and nearby allies are for. Just sit on the farthest range you can find, like how she's meant to be played, and pick off lower health enemies. Also, if the enemy is an Imp, 75% of that little shit is just head, so FREE KILL! Even still, I prefer future cactus, buuuuuuut I will always defend my prickly sniper bae.
It's very weird seeing Dr Toxic and Captain Sharkbite on the List, since they're rarely seen, making them underated. Camo Cactus being the most overrated? Oh no! That 100% goes to Toxic Brainz.
I notice that you said Camo Cactus is over rated when most people don't even like Camo either
I love camo for one reason that slow fire rate is fine because I just sit back and never get killed so he is Perfect for me andy play style but I agree with the rest except vamp I lover her consept
The end was hilarious lmao
Honestly I 100% agree with camo cactus she isn't even on level 2 genuinely that bad
Ok for camo I understand what you're saying and I do agree she's overrated, however I do like playing her because I do like the bolt action sniper thing she has, but I do wish to at least give her a damage buff for at least body or give a upgrade that you can equip that lowers your zoom
Vamp Flower is C tier in PvP but S tier in Garden Ops
6:51 tbh the only good pirate is captain cannon
Overrated
Bruh it broke me when I saw Dr. Toxic in top ten ;(