I don't know that you can say that Jiu-jitsu/Jujutsu came from the samurai directly but there's definitely an argument for Jujutsu coming from that time period. Takenouchi Ryu is considered the oldest living Jujutsu system alive in Japan today & that extends back to 1532 during the Sengoku Jidai, warring states period. There are other koryu such as Kashima Ryu & Katori Shinto Ryu that have Jujutsu in their curriculum that are much as 150 older. Tenjin Shinyo Ryu & Kito Ryu, the ryuha that Jigoro Kano trained in, can both trace their lineages back to koryu from that era. It would definitely be a stretch to say that Jiu-jitsu today looks anything like it would have some 500 years ago but it can be traced it back to that time period. As for Jiu-jitsu coming from India, that's simply not the case as you stated but, in my opinion, it stems from Bodhidharma arriving at the Shaolin Temple. Most if not all Karate systems, Japanese & Okinawan, trace their lineage back to China. That possibly where that myth came from, just a guess though. Anyway, I really enjoyed both of your videos on Jiu-jitsu history & have just recently started reading your book. Thank you for all the research you've done to bring the real history to the public!
every thing in Japan bavk to China... include a Japan Civilization... But Japanese is a interesting peaple, they are equivalent to Germans in Europe, a people with a culture at the same time slavery, who thinks social hierarchy is normal and SERVE AN ELITE, instead of demanding rights and benefits, and it causes an obsession for producing something for society, so everything the Japanese put their hand to, they SYSTEMATIZE AND INCREASE COMPLEXITY... In Japan, techniques are refined, better systematized, adapted, segmented and complexity is taken to the extreme... But everything came from China...
You also have daito ryu aiki jujutsu that dates back to the samurai period. He's clearly done some good research but I think he's wrong on some key detail's
@@s1r155 There is some debate, how much of the Daito ryu history can be verified historically, but certainly Takeda could not have invented a whole system from his own head, but had to learn it from previous masters.
Just a minor history lesson, martial arts lineage, Duruma master from India, to China, to Okinawa, from Okinawa to Japan. You left Okinawa out. Great history lesson on the origins of Jiu-jitsu, really enjoyed it. I'm going to watch part 2 now
Absolutely fantastic. And glad someone has been honest and upfront. As someone who loves BJJ, has a very long history in judo and all round martial art geek. Your saying everything , I have been speaking in whispers for years. Well done
Roberts book represents a seminal body of work on the Jiu Jitsu landscape. He makes very useful distinctions between the myth and the actual. Thanks Robert for your wonderful contribution.
I’m confused, there are plenty of primary sources and ancient combat manuals (in Japanese) of the jujutsu being used by Samurai and references dating back almost 1500 years to sumo. Stating Jujutsu came from western wrestling is ridiculous - additionally, there are no sources to back that claim. It’s an illogical connection to state that, just because Admiral Perry came to Japan - therefore JuJutsu came from wrestling, is a huge leap in logic with zero actual data to back that up. Also making interpretations of Kanno’s intentions, is not a valid source. Just because a primary source isn’t in english or Portuguese, doesn’t mean it’s invalid. There are a ton of ancient Jujutsu manuals or mentions of JuJutsu in Japanese university libraries you can study.
Tom Sawyer what do you mean what happened in ADCC? It got better and better as the best people in the world started colliding together and I started making a melting pot for this. What happened was John Joc Machado and he only had two fingers in one hand so we had to develop A Juda/Jiu Jitsu using more legs he was the beginning that’s where Marcelo Garcia stepped up from and now it’s continued sort of that’s another situation. The prince from Abu Dhabi created ADCC
I think the myth of Judo/Jiu Jitsu originating in India could come from confusing the roots of Judo with the roots of Karate. After all, Kano was highly influential in the development of Japanese Karate, as Gichin Funakoshi consulted with him on many details of his Karate system. The confusion comes from the Chinese military empty hand instructional text, the Bubishi, which was used as a template for the foundations of Karate in early Okinawa. As it is said, Chinese kung fu is based on the teachings of Bodhidarma, who was a Buddhist monk from India. This history could potentially have been accidentally generalized across all Japanese martial arts.
Chinese kung fu is not based on bodhodarma or indian, that is a folk legend/myth that has been debunked for a while. Example Chinese martial arts recorded in chinese records predates Bodhidarma and the even the shaolin temple. Fun Fact: all records of Bodhidarma even the ones kept by Shaolin temple ONLY mentions him as the founder of Chan buddhism and no mention of martial arts. It was not until the 1900s when the first mention of him and kung fu were in a Fiction/Wuxia novel called the Travels of Laotsan and spread from there. lol "the association of Bodhidharma with martial arts only became widespread as a result of the 1904-1907 serialization of the novel The Travels of Lao Ts'an in Illustrated Fiction Magazine.[85] According to Henning, the "story is clearly a twentieth-century invention," which "is confirmed by writings going back at least 250 years earlier, which mention both Bodhidharma and martial arts but make no connection between the two."[86][note 13]" web.archive.org/web/20151106054424/www.purple.dti.ne.jp/kambe/BodhiDharma-IDS.pdf
@@teovu5557there is never a single character, they are myths created to summarize a logic, a more complex story... But everything in China comes from India, and everything in Japan comes from China... then nationalism always tries to erase these links from history, to look like a special people who did everything alone...
@@teovu5557 Of course it is... and I'm Santa Claus... civilization and agriculture come together in one place... and from there it spreads across the world, mathematics, writing, technologies, engineering, etc... In Europe came first from Egypt and Persia... Catargo... in China came EVERYTHING FROM INDIA... The Chinese transformed...adapted, evolve, etc...but the very origin of the civilizing seeds of China, comes from INDIA....
Your book sounds great, as to samurai jiujitsu, a good source is check out antony cummins channel, is a samurai and ninjutsu researcher he is very thorough and works only from historical texts that are always sourced, there are two styles of jiujitsu that he has done some work mubyoshi ryu and sekiguchi ryu. Hopefully that helps. Thank you for your work on the subject sir.
Even though Sada Miyato lost to Macaco Velho, he had won quite some challenges previously, including Mário Aleixo 3 consecutive days in a row. I guess what I’m trying to say is that Jiu-Jitsu didn’t “make its debut losing”, but quite successfully up to that point.
He lost, then Mario becomes his student and then he also loses to a capoeirista, then the Navy sends cup makers to Japan and they beat Jujutsu there too... then Jiujitsu is a little discredited... But it was the beginning of Jujutsu's migration from self defense to sport, and the sport made Jiujitsu evolve a lot... then it started to be called judo... MUCH HIGHER than traditional Jujutsu for being SPORT. The capoeira of the time was also different...capoeira has an origin very similar to Savate, in street fights and gangs of hoodlums, and he does an MMA of the time, first mixing savate with gymnastics, then wrestling and boxing, 1/3 of those arrested for capoeira in the street, were FOREIGN, 1/3 were white and 1/3 black... she was a point of racial and cultural integration in Brazil with the ban, she ends up restricted more to blacks, who live on the periphery where the police don't go, and mix capoeira with dance for camouflage, and this second wave modify capoeira dramatic, and finally the third wave in the 50s and 60s, take this capoeira dance try to rescue the original but miserable failure and the current capoeira consolidated
The oldest judo school in Europe is the budokwai in London. It was founded in 1918 by Gunji Koizumi and Yukio Tani also taught there. They were both Ju Jitsu teachers and Yukio wrote a number of books on Ju Jitsu. They later became affiliated with Judo at some point after 1920 and agreed to teach the new Judo syllabus. Ju Jitsu was the original art, the difference in Brazil is that the gracies resisted the pressure to amalgamate the system they were taught into the new Judo system. Hence we have Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
At the beginning you say that Jiu-jitsu has nothing to do with "what we practice today and we call Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in the twenty first century. Absolutely nothing." I'm certainly no scholar but I assume that at least some of the techniques used in Judo came from pre 1853 Jiu-Jitsu. If my assumption is correct, then Jiu-Jitsu certainly does have something to do with BJJ.
Professor, se vc me permite uma sugestão, acho q seria ótimo um bate papo seu com o professor Flávio Canto. Newaza afiadíssimo, esteve em várias olimpíadas - acho até q foi medalhista- e sempre treinou Jiu-Jitsu também. Acho q seria bem legal, caso for possível. Esperando chegar o livro. Louco pra começar a leitura. Obrigado e grande abraço
Dude!!! I lived in Japan for 6 years...they celebrate the opening of Japan with the Shimoda Black Ship festival...they portray the event as if ADM Perry sailed in to Yokohama Bay with his fleet of black ships and politely asked Japan to open their country to trade with the West...so far from the truth...it was cool to hear how that even played a part in the spread of Jiu Jitsu...
Lmao The samurai practiced Sumo before inventing Jujutsu. There’s plenty of evidence for this watch Chadis videos on RUclips plenty of documentation. Western wrestling maybe had slight influence on Judo but you can see old school jujutsu in manuals and lots of the throws came from Sumo.
ruclips.net/video/cnPUix3gQVE/видео.html sumo was always stated by the japanese as the source of most jujutsu system save for kito ryu which kano was a master of which came from china
I’m loving these videos. But I don’t understand why you can’t link Jujutsu to the samurai...I read that Kanos first instructor (a family friend if I recall) was a former samurai. From what I’ve researched it makes sense that the samurai used Jujutsu as a generic term for hand to hand combat with a bit of dagger involved. If it wasn’t the samurai who developed the art then who?
The problem is that I have never seen anything making that connection. I have heard the exact same thing from historians there far more knowledgeable than me. It might be, but at the moment, I have never seen any thing concrete making that connection
@@AGONCombatJiuJitsu From the 1889 book: Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Japan Vol XVI, pages 192-206 (which can be viewed on Internet Archive or judoinfo.com/kano6/)... Kano gives some sources in his transcribed presentation titled "Jiujutsu: The Old Samurai Art of Fighting Without Weapons". Serge Mol's book "Classical Fighting Arts of Japan: A Complete Guide to Koryu Jujutsu" contains over one hundred pages on the lineage from 1600s, citing many scrolls and documents. Also, Antony Cummins has been translating old samurai scrolls with a Japanese lady educated in the older writing style. He has written over twenty books (mostly translating scrolls) and has a popular youtube channel. I would think he'd have evidence for you and be easy to talk to. I suppose it depends on how you define Jujutsu; if you're only meaning the grappling (Taijutsu, Yawara, etc). I suppose it also depends how much you care about linking jiu-jitsu to samurai. Could be irrelevant to the story you're telling.
@@AGONCombatJiuJitsu On the Wikipedia for Judo it says this "Nakai Umenari, an acquaintance of Kanō's father and a former soldier, agreed to show him kata, but not to teach him." Which is sourced to "Kano (2008)" which I think might be the book Judo Memoirs of Jigoro Kano (2008) by Brian N. Watson. Unfortunately that book doesn't refer to it's own sources.
@@AGONCombatJiuJitsu What is more plausible? The hundreds of military schools in japan were evolved among the military class of the country, or were introduced by foreign military power in few decades, while also imposing military pressure over this country? What evidence do you have making the latter connection?
Jujutsu is commonly understood as the japanese art of fighting without weapons or with short blades. This is a common distance where you can end up while fighting with swords or spears, both in a battle of war or in peacetime in duel or self defense situation. A samurai would have been required to know how to fight, and would have had some education of it. It's like saying, there is no proof that samurai ever practiced sword fighting. You acknowledge that there were many jujutsu schools, but had nothing to do with samurai? Who were the people practicing unarmed combat if not the warrior class of the country? Perry certainly did not establish all these schools and teach Japanese to fight. You can actually trace back the lineages of these schools and see their historical records. The western influence inspired Kano to create a sport that would be compatible with western sports culture and Olympics. Kano did not invent jujutsu, he invented judo. Even the schools that Kano learned and modified into judo have long history and the teachers were part of samurai class. Yes, one of these school has a legend, that one Chinese monk taught some unarmed techniques to the Japanese creators of that school. This is not impossible, as there was constant culture exchange between Japan and the continent, and such ideas are easily passed, as people tend to have quite universal anatomy and follow the same laws of nature. This does not mean, all pre 1868 military schools in Japan that include unarmed techniques have their origins in India. These are quite simple facts to check for yourself, even without speaking Japanese.
So I'm wondering about the story that Mitsuyo Maeda and Gastão Gracie (father of Carlos & Hélio’s) were friends. Some accounts even read "good friends". Is there any evidence of this? Do you think this either true or a fabrication, exaggeration, mis-translation, truth with omissions, etc.?
he doesn't consider anything that came through the Gracie family as a source... but... Gastão had a circus, Maeda fought in the circus, Gastao managed fights, there weren't many jiujitsu coaches at the time or fought They are in the same place at the same time, with related activities... And Carlos told this story It's COMPATIBLE... but there's no documentary evidence... But it does not accept the version of Maeda for not having documents, but accepts another version in place WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTS TOO... and without any TRADITION... the story invented FROM ZERO... It's not so "just documents"... HISTORICAL TRADITION OF ALMOST A CENTURY is not refuted, without contrary evidence... At most, it makes a reservation that there are no other sources proving it... a parallel story is not created He does the same with the history of Jujutsu... "I don't know any documentation linking the samurai"... But then attribute it to the west and the wrestler WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTATION QUITE EASILY... It's at these times that the real bias appears... Japanese and brasilian tradition need DOCUMENTATION WITH PREFERRED PHOTOS AND VIDEOS Speculations for the USA and Europe DON'T NEED A LOT TO BE AFFIRMED...
Obrigado velho!!! Muito legal!! 🤙
I don't know that you can say that Jiu-jitsu/Jujutsu came from the samurai directly but there's definitely an argument for Jujutsu coming from that time period. Takenouchi Ryu is considered the oldest living Jujutsu system alive in Japan today & that extends back to 1532 during the Sengoku Jidai, warring states period. There are other koryu such as Kashima Ryu & Katori Shinto Ryu that have Jujutsu in their curriculum that are much as 150 older. Tenjin Shinyo Ryu & Kito Ryu, the ryuha that Jigoro Kano trained in, can both trace their lineages back to koryu from that era. It would definitely be a stretch to say that Jiu-jitsu today looks anything like it would have some 500 years ago but it can be traced it back to that time period. As for Jiu-jitsu coming from India, that's simply not the case as you stated but, in my opinion, it stems from Bodhidharma arriving at the Shaolin Temple. Most if not all Karate systems, Japanese & Okinawan, trace their lineage back to China. That possibly where that myth came from, just a guess though. Anyway, I really enjoyed both of your videos on Jiu-jitsu history & have just recently started reading your book. Thank you for all the research you've done to bring the real history to the public!
every thing in Japan bavk to China... include a Japan Civilization...
But Japanese is a interesting peaple, they are equivalent to Germans in Europe, a people with a culture at the same time slavery, who thinks social hierarchy is normal and SERVE AN ELITE, instead of demanding rights and benefits, and it causes an obsession for producing something for society, so everything the Japanese put their hand to, they SYSTEMATIZE AND INCREASE COMPLEXITY...
In Japan, techniques are refined, better systematized, adapted, segmented and complexity is taken to the extreme...
But everything came from China...
You also have daito ryu aiki jujutsu that dates back to the samurai period. He's clearly done some good research but I think he's wrong on some key detail's
@@s1r155 There is some debate, how much of the Daito ryu history can be verified historically, but certainly Takeda could not have invented a whole system from his own head, but had to learn it from previous masters.
Jigoro Kano was the first innovator introducing wrestling techniques into Judo
Just a minor history lesson, martial arts lineage, Duruma master from India, to China, to Okinawa, from Okinawa to Japan. You left Okinawa out. Great history lesson on the origins of Jiu-jitsu, really enjoyed it. I'm going to watch part 2 now
Absolutely fantastic. And glad someone has been honest and upfront. As someone who loves BJJ, has a very long history in judo and all round martial art geek. Your saying everything , I have been speaking in whispers for years. Well done
Roberts book represents a seminal body of work on the Jiu Jitsu landscape. He makes very useful distinctions between the myth and the actual. Thanks Robert for your wonderful contribution.
Chadi RUclips channel has the info and history
Very good! Informative and well researched
I’m confused, there are plenty of primary sources and ancient combat manuals (in Japanese) of the jujutsu being used by Samurai and references dating back almost 1500 years to sumo. Stating Jujutsu came from western wrestling is ridiculous - additionally, there are no sources to back that claim. It’s an illogical connection to state that, just because Admiral Perry came to Japan - therefore JuJutsu came from wrestling, is a huge leap in logic with zero actual data to back that up. Also making interpretations of Kanno’s intentions, is not a valid source.
Just because a primary source isn’t in english or Portuguese, doesn’t mean it’s invalid. There are a ton of ancient Jujutsu manuals or mentions of JuJutsu in Japanese university libraries you can study.
please share sources or else you are not helping.
Loved the book, and i Just bought two copies to my instructor and to a friend of mine.
Um grande abraço de Brasília!
Jiu jitsu warm up and bodyweight workouts came from India.😊
What a great work, thank ypu
Glad you enjoyed it
100% getting this book- cannot wait! But also I feel like we need to address the elephant in the room…. What happened at ADCC??? 😳
You should, the book is highly detailed and written objectively.
Damian Maia disproved the allegations already
Tom Sawyer what do you mean what happened in ADCC?
It got better and better as the best people in the world started colliding together and I started making a melting pot for this. What happened was John Joc Machado and he only had two fingers in one hand so we had to develop A Juda/Jiu Jitsu using more legs he was the beginning that’s where Marcelo Garcia stepped up from and now it’s continued sort of that’s another situation. The prince from Abu Dhabi created ADCC
Anyway he’s the things I’ve heard
I think the myth of Judo/Jiu Jitsu originating in India could come from confusing the roots of Judo with the roots of Karate. After all, Kano was highly influential in the development of Japanese Karate, as Gichin Funakoshi consulted with him on many details of his Karate system. The confusion comes from the Chinese military empty hand instructional text, the Bubishi, which was used as a template for the foundations of Karate in early Okinawa. As it is said, Chinese kung fu is based on the teachings of Bodhidarma, who was a Buddhist monk from India. This history could potentially have been accidentally generalized across all Japanese martial arts.
Exactly what i was thinking
Chinese kung fu is not based on bodhodarma or indian, that is a folk legend/myth that has been debunked for a while. Example Chinese martial arts recorded in chinese records predates Bodhidarma and the even the shaolin temple. Fun Fact: all records of Bodhidarma even the ones kept by Shaolin temple ONLY mentions him as the founder of Chan buddhism and no mention of martial arts. It was not until the 1900s when the first mention of him and kung fu were in a Fiction/Wuxia novel called the Travels of Laotsan and spread from there. lol
"the association of Bodhidharma with martial arts only became widespread as a result of the 1904-1907 serialization of the novel The Travels of Lao Ts'an in Illustrated Fiction Magazine.[85] According to Henning, the "story is clearly a twentieth-century invention," which "is confirmed by writings going back at least 250 years earlier, which mention both Bodhidharma and martial arts but make no connection between the two."[86][note 13]"
web.archive.org/web/20151106054424/www.purple.dti.ne.jp/kambe/BodhiDharma-IDS.pdf
@@teovu5557there is never a single character, they are myths created to summarize a logic, a more complex story...
But everything in China comes from India, and everything in Japan comes from China... then nationalism always tries to erase these links from history, to look like a special people who did everything alone...
@@PauloSilvaX only Buddhism comes from India. The majority of Chinese culture is native.
@@teovu5557 Of course it is... and I'm Santa Claus...
civilization and agriculture come together in one place...
and from there it spreads across the world, mathematics, writing, technologies, engineering, etc...
In Europe came first from Egypt and Persia... Catargo... in China came EVERYTHING FROM INDIA...
The Chinese transformed...adapted, evolve, etc...but the very origin of the civilizing seeds of China, comes from INDIA....
Can’t wait for part 2 to this
Your book sounds great, as to samurai jiujitsu, a good source is check out antony cummins channel, is a samurai and ninjutsu researcher he is very thorough and works only from historical texts that are always sourced, there are two styles of jiujitsu that he has done some work mubyoshi ryu and sekiguchi ryu. Hopefully that helps. Thank you for your work on the subject sir.
Awesome. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Even though Sada Miyato lost to Macaco Velho, he had won quite some challenges previously, including Mário Aleixo 3 consecutive days in a row. I guess what I’m trying to say is that Jiu-Jitsu didn’t “make its debut losing”, but quite successfully up to that point.
He lost, then Mario becomes his student and then he also loses to a capoeirista, then the Navy sends cup makers to Japan and they beat Jujutsu there too... then Jiujitsu is a little discredited...
But it was the beginning of Jujutsu's migration from self defense to sport, and the sport made Jiujitsu evolve a lot... then it started to be called judo... MUCH HIGHER than traditional Jujutsu for being SPORT.
The capoeira of the time was also different...capoeira has an origin very similar to Savate, in street fights and gangs of hoodlums, and he does an MMA of the time, first mixing savate with gymnastics, then wrestling and boxing, 1/3 of those arrested for capoeira in the street, were FOREIGN, 1/3 were white and 1/3 black... she was a point of racial and cultural integration in Brazil
with the ban, she ends up restricted more to blacks, who live on the periphery where the police don't go, and mix capoeira with dance for camouflage, and this second wave modify capoeira dramatic, and finally the third wave in the 50s and 60s, take this capoeira dance try to rescue the original but miserable failure and the current capoeira consolidated
The oldest judo school in Europe is the budokwai in London. It was founded in 1918 by Gunji Koizumi and Yukio Tani also taught there. They were both Ju Jitsu teachers and Yukio wrote a number of books on Ju Jitsu. They later became affiliated with Judo at some point after 1920 and agreed to teach the new Judo syllabus. Ju Jitsu was the original art, the difference in Brazil is that the gracies resisted the pressure to amalgamate the system they were taught into the new Judo system. Hence we have Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Where is the documentary available to watch?
At the beginning you say that Jiu-jitsu has nothing to do with "what we practice today and we call Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in the twenty first century. Absolutely nothing." I'm certainly no scholar but I assume that at least some of the techniques used in Judo came from pre 1853 Jiu-Jitsu. If my assumption is correct, then Jiu-Jitsu certainly does have something to do with BJJ.
No mention that Helio Gracie was trained under catch as can wrestling.
Professor, se vc me permite uma sugestão, acho q seria ótimo um bate papo seu com o professor Flávio Canto. Newaza afiadíssimo, esteve em várias olimpíadas - acho até q foi medalhista- e sempre treinou Jiu-Jitsu também.
Acho q seria bem legal, caso for possível.
Esperando chegar o livro. Louco pra começar a leitura.
Obrigado e grande abraço
Excelente ideia!!
Publica uma versão desse vídeo em português ✌🏼
When do we get the film??
No date yet. Sorry :/
Dude!!! I lived in Japan for 6 years...they celebrate the opening of Japan with the Shimoda Black Ship festival...they portray the event as if ADM Perry sailed in to Yokohama Bay with his fleet of black ships and politely asked Japan to open their country to trade with the West...so far from the truth...it was cool to hear how that even played a part in the spread of Jiu Jitsu...
Glad you enjoyed:)
Lmao The samurai practiced Sumo before inventing Jujutsu. There’s plenty of evidence for this watch Chadis videos on RUclips plenty of documentation. Western wrestling maybe had slight influence on Judo but you can see old school jujutsu in manuals and lots of the throws came from Sumo.
ruclips.net/video/cnPUix3gQVE/видео.html
sumo was always stated by the japanese as the source of most jujutsu system save for kito ryu which kano was a master of which came from china
Yuji Nimura sensei , has deep knowledge about judo newaza history.
I’m loving these videos. But I don’t understand why you can’t link Jujutsu to the samurai...I read that Kanos first instructor (a family friend if I recall) was a former samurai. From what I’ve researched it makes sense that the samurai used Jujutsu as a generic term for hand to hand combat with a bit of dagger involved. If it wasn’t the samurai who developed the art then who?
The problem is that I have never seen anything making that connection. I have heard the exact same thing from historians there far more knowledgeable than me. It might be, but at the moment, I have never seen any thing concrete making that connection
@@AGONCombatJiuJitsu
From the 1889 book: Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Japan Vol XVI, pages 192-206 (which can be viewed on Internet Archive or judoinfo.com/kano6/)...
Kano gives some sources in his transcribed presentation titled "Jiujutsu: The Old Samurai Art of Fighting Without Weapons".
Serge Mol's book "Classical Fighting Arts of Japan: A Complete Guide to Koryu Jujutsu" contains over one hundred pages on the lineage from 1600s, citing many scrolls and documents.
Also, Antony Cummins has been translating old samurai scrolls with a Japanese lady educated in the older writing style. He has written over twenty books (mostly translating scrolls) and has a popular youtube channel.
I would think he'd have evidence for you and be easy to talk to. I suppose it depends on how you define Jujutsu; if you're only meaning the grappling (Taijutsu, Yawara, etc).
I suppose it also depends how much you care about linking jiu-jitsu to samurai. Could be irrelevant to the story you're telling.
@@AGONCombatJiuJitsu On the Wikipedia for Judo it says this "Nakai Umenari, an acquaintance of Kanō's father and a former soldier, agreed to show him kata, but not to teach him." Which is sourced to "Kano (2008)" which I think might be the book Judo Memoirs of Jigoro Kano (2008) by Brian N. Watson. Unfortunately that book doesn't refer to it's own sources.
@@AGONCombatJiuJitsu What is more plausible? The hundreds of military schools in japan were evolved among the military class of the country, or were introduced by foreign military power in few decades, while also imposing military pressure over this country? What evidence do you have making the latter connection?
Jujutsu is commonly understood as the japanese art of fighting without weapons or with short blades. This is a common distance where you can end up while fighting with swords or spears, both in a battle of war or in peacetime in duel or self defense situation. A samurai would have been required to know how to fight, and would have had some education of it. It's like saying, there is no proof that samurai ever practiced sword fighting. You acknowledge that there were many jujutsu schools, but had nothing to do with samurai? Who were the people practicing unarmed combat if not the warrior class of the country? Perry certainly did not establish all these schools and teach Japanese to fight.
You can actually trace back the lineages of these schools and see their historical records. The western influence inspired Kano to create a sport that would be compatible with western sports culture and Olympics. Kano did not invent jujutsu, he invented judo. Even the schools that Kano learned and modified into judo have long history and the teachers were part of samurai class. Yes, one of these school has a legend, that one Chinese monk taught some unarmed techniques to the Japanese creators of that school. This is not impossible, as there was constant culture exchange between Japan and the continent, and such ideas are easily passed, as people tend to have quite universal anatomy and follow the same laws of nature. This does not mean, all pre 1868 military schools in Japan that include unarmed techniques have their origins in India.
These are quite simple facts to check for yourself, even without speaking Japanese.
Faz um desse em português professor kkk
Why did he waste his time? Who's buying this book?
BJJ rivaling Judo... Mmm... Maybe in America but not the rest of the world... Certainly not Europe or the East
So I'm wondering about the story that Mitsuyo Maeda and Gastão Gracie (father of Carlos & Hélio’s) were friends. Some accounts even read "good friends".
Is there any evidence of this? Do you think this either true or a fabrication, exaggeration, mis-translation, truth with omissions, etc.?
Iowa Ronan I’m not sure the sound sir I know that he said that Maeda wasn’t friends with Carlos etc. but I’m not sure about Gastao
he doesn't consider anything that came through the Gracie family as a source...
but...
Gastão had a circus, Maeda fought in the circus, Gastao managed fights, there weren't many jiujitsu coaches at the time or fought
They are in the same place at the same time, with related activities...
And Carlos told this story
It's COMPATIBLE... but there's no documentary evidence...
But it does not accept the version of Maeda for not having documents, but accepts another version in place WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTS TOO... and without any TRADITION... the story invented FROM ZERO...
It's not so "just documents"...
HISTORICAL TRADITION OF ALMOST A CENTURY is not refuted, without contrary evidence...
At most, it makes a reservation that there are no other sources proving it... a parallel story is not created
He does the same with the history of Jujutsu...
"I don't know any documentation linking the samurai"...
But then attribute it to the west and the wrestler WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTATION QUITE EASILY...
It's at these times that the real bias appears...
Japanese and brasilian tradition need DOCUMENTATION WITH PREFERRED PHOTOS AND VIDEOS
Speculations for the USA and Europe DON'T NEED A LOT TO BE AFFIRMED...
Isn’t this the guy that fixed that match at ADCC??? Even split the 💰