When I was in the US NAVY, I was in a F14A and F14B Tomcat squadron that was based at NAS Miramar. The name of my old squadron was called VF24 Fighting Renegades, and while I was at NAS Miramar, one of the training squadrons I went to was VF124 before I went to VF24 , and I was deployed on the USS Nimitz as part of Carrier Air Wing 9 as one of my squadron's Plane Captains (basically it's a US Navy version of what the US Air Force calls a "crew chief"), and it is a very dirty and stinky job, but it is required to make sure that the final checks are in place before the pilot and the RIO (Radar Intercept Officer) take off in the aircraft.
How willl the F35 feature? F35 pilot enters the mess. "Welcome to the 21st century Hornet pukes" (Maverick goes to war, shoots down 5 Su57s and becomes an Ace) Maverick: "Looks like we just seperated the men from the boys" (cue Top Gun guitar riff and Mav flys off into the distance)
Rip ghost of kyiv the best pilot in all of europe who.came.out of retirement such a elite dogfighter that russia sent multiple.s.400.missles to take him down no pilot could take him
The Tomcat just took longer to maintain and the Super Hornet was more agile and smaller than the Tomcat. It was sad to see the Navy retire the Tomcat but it had to go and eventually the F-35 is going to be used along side the Super Hornet. Still blows my mind that the F-35 only has one engine compared to where the Navy wants 2 engines in case one goes out and you can fly yourself back on one engine.
4th gen jet engines made that old adage of limping back on one obsolete. If an engine fails nowadays it tends to damage the other one leading to an aircraft loss anyway
The f35 DAS itself can detect all air, ground and sea targets all at once from immense distances, while its radar is off. It can cue all target simultaneously and guide missiles from other assets towards enemies via datalink, and the missile only turns on its terminal radar guidance in the last leg. If the enemy only knows about a missile lock when the aim120 is only 4 miles out, That is a death sentance. Even thought the f35 is very manueverable, i'm not so certain it will be using it much.
Ish...im pretty sure the longest kill chain lock still goes to the f22. It had the lock, f15 fired missile etc... That being said the integration technology on the f35 is crazy. That's why I also say ish... Don't be surprised when that 6th generation plane comes sooner than later. There's a reason why the expensive projects got put on the back burner. They're freaking old designs right now and not up to snuff other than the f35s integration testing. Why the f22 still being around? What else is gonna challenge it except for maybe a handful of basically prototypes?
Yes IMPRESSIVE what a machine but!! It can burn off its skin at M 1.6 mofo at more than 60 seconds wow !! .The P 51 is no joke 6 50 cal my god 5000 kills ! The plane was a Godsend to those bomber pilots 🙏 Their servival rate expanded x4 God bless the Vets 😇
I love how Hollywood puts lights inside pilot's (and astronauts) helmets... Like your car at night, it would glare and blackout your vision... But the camera can see the actors face!
The Block 3 version of the F/A Super Hornet is supposedly capable of being on par with the SU-57 cocerning stealth. It even has the ability to carry weapons internally.
The block 3 super Hornet is wildly considered one of, if not the the most capable 4.5 generation aircraft in the world. (At least until the new model F-16 comes on line).
I feel like the SR72 thing is just where we find maverick in the beginning, doing test pilot or secret squirrel stuff which is where Ed Harris finds him, and it won’t be that big a plot line. It seems like a natural progression for senior pilots to go for. But for whatever plot reason like “we’re about to start something and we need the best of the best to teach our best,” Admiral Iceman pulls him out and has him go back to teaching, which is where we get the main plot. I’m just wondering about the F14, like if they’ll steal one from Iran or it’s a Super Tomcat prototype or something.
Yea!! That shot was NOT Ed but real nonetheless .IIt did destroy that set ,they didn't know how fierce that shock wave was going to be ,but director Loved it left it in . Ha can see the roof leave ha !! Not planned but who cares Tom didn't ✌👍😂
The biggest problem with the F14 in an dogfight probably would be it's avioniks meaning the pilot won't only have to fight his enemy but also his controls
@@prepperjonpnw6482 most pilots and the fact that it did not had Fly By Wire. Don't get me wrong the F-14 was arguably the best jet of it's time but it was by no means easy to fly
@@warhead_beast7661 you don't know what you're talking about. The Tomcat was the SECOND US built fighter being FBW, the F-4 Phantom being the first. Although not as advanced as the F-16, it still used flight computers to fly. The F-14A had 3, the D had something like 30. Mostly the pilot would be fighting the Pratt and Whiney engines... the TF-30 as used in the movie A model wasn't designed for fighter use. Grumman only used it because it was available and the planned GE engines were scrapped during development. The TF-30 was replaced by the F110-GE-100 in the B and D models and got rid of most of the reliability problems.
might as well say that the f18 can engage people from a 100km away hence no need to go close . secondly the su 57 have RWRs and MAWS's so hangman can't sneak a missile . also the s75s are not that good and don't fly at 500kmph
It would be a good idea for Sandboxx to read up on the experience of the Iranian Air Force pilot success using the Phoenix AAM in close combat against the Iraqis. While the Phoenix was designed for long range engagement, it has proven to be a very good missile for close in air combat. It's near hypersonic speed at launch is certainly a factor in this leaving opponents with little time to respond.
The P51 was cheaper, you could have 2 of them for the price of one P47 Thunderbolt or P39 Lightning. But those two planes were able to fly just as far as the P51 Mustang.
Your opening comment is a perfect summary of why we want this film to be fun even at the expense of being realistic or believable. I just want to shut my brain off for a while and enjoy the pretty planes.
I'm stoked this movie is finally getting released. Assuming they don't delay it again. I really liked this video, you did a great job on the analysis and comparisons. Would love to see more like it
The reason why it was moved from original release date is because there's a b-movie that came out at the same time. Of the same name. But with "s" at the end. To try to cash in on the bandwagon. Makers of the film knew this so they moved the schedule to not confuse the audience between the og a-movie & rip-off b-movie
Don't worry, Saul, they wouldn't DARE delay its release again! That is, as long as a new Covid omicron variant doesn't come along (like the nasty one that is currently heading this way)!!
I think the reasons why Top Gun Maverick was select F/A-18E/F rather than F-35C were 1) F-18 also has two seats on the' F' model that easy to create the flight scene for actor/actress simulating they are flying the jet themselves but F-35 has only single seat config. 2) At the early period of filming the Top Gun 2, F-35 just in service, I think US Navy don't like any outsiders getting too cĺose to their new jets.
Hell ya, I've been waiting for this movie to come out. I actually watched Top Gun 73 times not to mention all the times I watched it on DVD 😁😁. Great analysis of the AC also. Would love to see more videos of this type.
I got so much from this video! So much, that if I wanted to remember it, I'll have to watch it a few times. So many statistics and great watching this before the actual movie, which we have been looking forward to seeing for years. I look forward to your next video after the release off the movie. We know how it is being filmed, but worked love your take on it post 27th of May.
Hell yeah!! I loved this movie as a kid it was my favorite it still is it's one of those that if it's on TV I can't help but watch it! I still get hyperactive thinking about it
Alex, so glad I found your channel recently. Have enjoyed going back thru your videos. The information and visuals are top shelf. Audio could use a more professional setup for doing your voice over narration and music.
Great commentary on the aircraft, but never underestimate the older aircraft in. F-14 in an air to air engagement. All the avionics upgrades are great in newer airframe, but you forgot the most important component. The Pilots. A great pilot in an older aircraft...F-14....can amaze a lesser pilot with the newest aircraft. All the new equipment is only as lethal/capable as the pilot flying it.
It was a great movie the planes were awesome but the parts where he's working on the mustang were hilarious. The bikes were great too. I was great seeing Val Kilmer too. I had no idea that was doing to happen
Also the cool scene when the Russians 5th gen fighters role up on rooster and maverick the sound reminds me of the scene in Independence Day when the alien fighters fly
a extensively upgraded naval carrier borne F-14 Tomcat maritime multi role fighter is still more than a match to the carrier borne F/A-18E Super Hornet (Block III) maritime multi role fighter interceptor . . . or the French carrier borne Dassault Rafale M4-R maritime multi role fighter for that matter . . . the naval carrier borne F-35C Lightning II maritime multi role fighter seriously needs a proper internal gun, as in the F-35A air force variant . . . under fuselage gun pods ain't a viable alternative to the internal cannon . . .
Maverick and Rooster are stealing the F-14 to escape. Su-57 will be one of the planes sent to stop them. Oh, and the F-14 is capable of out turning the Su-57, for one, repeat one turn. I've seen the F-14 do a 9g turn with it's wings folded back and at 500 knots is said to be capable of 10g without damaging the airframe. A pilot once pulled 13g in one then limped home and landed the thing. It's power on stall speed appears to be slower than the Su-57's so at speeds below 250 knots it will have more available g and turn rate than the Su-57 though the 57's trust vectoring might be able to compensate at the cost of forward velocity and lift. So a viable counter to the Su-57's low speed thrust vector turn could be to for the F-14 to merge below 350 knots, entice the 57 to vector thrust and when it does, go vertical force the 57 to vector thrust even more and stall it's wings, then drop the 14's nose back down and gun the 57. (it's an F-15 tactic used against Indian Su-30 pilots who tried to use that plane's vector thrust in a dogfight)
Yes please do more content like this i love anything with fighter jets and history. You do great teaching while entertaining. Thanks for the content really helps with my 3rd shift desk job lol.
Oof, I'm glad you fixed some of the technical errors, but you made some yourself here. - First and foremost radar cross sections numbers are complete bogus. They have never been released the public. The "all aspect" and "front aspect" stuff is also purely conjecture. My advice would be not to dip your foot in the arena. For the SU-57, it suffers from being Russia's first stealth attempt, and being Russian. Russian stuff always turns out to be vapor wear when combat comes. - Speed/Heat can degrade radar absorbant material more quickly over the life of the coating, but flying at high speeds for more than 60 seconds will not have a noticeable effect during a mission. The specific point mentioned here was a restriction applied early in the F-35's test program to avoid potential damage over the coatings lifetime; not necesarily a real problem. This problem may have already been fixed, or simply removed the restriction. The F-35 actually features a far more robust and durable RAM coating than older stealth aircraft like the F-22, B-2, or F-117. - Aerial combat is a lot more complicated than the numbers on a paper, especialy because those numbers are generally just conjecture made up on the internet. The best way to judge these things is to talk to pilots of the specific platform and just avoid making definitive statements that lack proof. And again, I remind of the "LazerPig Loop" which describes why the west constantly fanboys over Russian equipement, but consistently turns it into scrap metal any time it's seen on the battle field. www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/t2yoi9/the_lazerpig_loop/
Correction about the "mig 28's". In 1986, we didn't assume they were soviet. We assumed they were north Korean... that's what the red star was supposed to symbolize. Just correcting that minor error in this very good video
I’m totally stoked to be going to see this Movie already bought tickets I was in the navy when top gun originally came out AMH aviation mech hydraulics I worked on just about every aircraft the navy had at that time. Yeah I’m pumped to see the new top gun maverick.
Soviet MiG's are classified with having odd numbers - not even, so a MiG 28 was a nice way of saying this was a fictitious jet fighter from a fictitious country.
@AlexHollings Love your channel! And I like most of your subs (Im betting,) crave as much of this type of subject matter as you care to put out! Plus as 1 of your Subs already mentioned, you give lots of data in an unbiased manner which is appreciated! Oh, we know and can tell planes you like etc, but you still give unbiased data on things like avionics and refits and upgrades etc. Which we or I certainly enjoy! More please Alex! Peace, ~"Nic"
Great analysis. I love how thorough your videos are. I saw the film a few days ago and - despite a lot of really unrealistic scenarios - loved every minute of it. Keep up the great work. :-)
I Love air planes like all Americans So when I watch your films and you coordinate the Visuals & vocals I am able to absorb a great deal more information and I am also able to keep up. As always Great Work & thank you for always being here with new content !
I have been dying to see this movie since the first trailer was released. Hopefully I will be seeing it in IMAX. The F-14 appearance is very intriguing, I am really wondering how they will work the old Tomcat into the movie.
They may not specify the foreign enemy in the movie, but I think that Iran was the only place to find an F-14 in country, so it's pretty well implied. Unless the average punter is the sort you find watching your impressive content, they may miss that though. Hope you're feeling better soonest mate. 👍🤕🇭🇲
I'll politely disagree on the premise that the first movie would have started a war. The 'enemy' country is not named, but just because they flew MiGs does not mean they were the Soviet Union. I always felt that the screenwriters based it upon the first Gulf of Sidra incident involving F-14s shooting down a pair of Libyan Su-22s. (The second Gulf of Sidra incident happened in March 1986, too late to have influenced the script) During the early 80s, the USSR did indeed export relatively new (and mostly unseen by the West) aircraft to various countries around the world, including MiG-25s to Libya.
Paused the video just to comment this. Tom’s ‘p51’ is actually, I believe, is a TF-51 or a TP-51 The original version, as far as I am aware, was never a two seater. Tom’s is. He gave a ride to James Corden which sat in the back, or should I say stuffed in the back.
FYI, the channel “The Buzz” stole a lot of what you said in a video about the same thing. That video is currently sitting at 670K views, and you clearly deserve the credit. That, and your videos are just much better. See about filing a claim if you haven’t already.
30mins into Top Gun: Maverick I was thinking "jeez, why a corny movie" but by the end it was pretty impressive. If you're on the fence about watching it just do it.
Have been waiting for this MOVIE. Since I heard they announced maybe making another top gun movie, about three or so years ago! Needless to say the movie is finally going to be released and not delayed again!
Take this from a military retired person. You were totally wrong about the end of top gun being wrong cause it would have been a start of a war. Things like this happen and we the public never know thats all.
3:26 What? The MiG-28 and MiG-28UB are pretty much real, those are just commonly known as F-5E and T-38, actually used in Red Air ;) 9:04 Wait, it's even slower than the legacy Hornet, by 0.3? First time I've ever heard that... 15:17 _TOMCATS!_
Hi Alex - I like your evaluation of F-14 - I was a tool designer in Grumman when the first models were built. Electron beam welding of main frame and wing was my expertise. Grumman was excellent experience wonderful people and a terrific job. Also had my hand in checking all of the tooling that built LEM bird cage assy and thermal engine blanket. I had the wonderful experience of seeing the first prototype and actually climbing up to the open canopy prior to it's presentation to the navy. Of course i could not resist trying to get in. But i knew i had to resist it.. Thanks for the memories.
Hi Robert; when you mentioned work history with F-14 and the LEM as in THE LEM?? (Lunar Excursion Module?) If so, INCREDIBLE!! and AWESOME! I am old enough to remember the launches and landings of Apollo, and those days were special indeed.. I although like to fancy myself prwtty good sim pilot and aircraft fan, I am in reality quite ignorant on many things in that subject matter, but csn think of nothing else with that abbreviation or (acronym?) LEM Either way brings back great memories! Best to you! Peace, "Nic"
@@Phrostbyte007 Hi NIC, Yes it was ayoung man's dream job. I think you might get a kick out of this - when interviewed for the job in May of 66 interviewer asked if i was a sun worshipper - my reply was never go out in sun hardly at all - his reply was good - because for next few years i believe you won't see it. he wasn't kidding - In my five years at Grumman - I only turned down 1 hr of overtime. Love to tell you about LUNAR MOULE - BUT STILL HOLD THAT WORK CLOSE TO MY HEART.
@@robertbozzanca2812 I envy You Robert! I could read and or enjoy listening or watching any and all of that you mention and Oh boy, the LEM! The Space Program was something I wanted to be a part of, ANY part of.. when my family and I went down to "Kennedy"(?) at the time in Fl it was fantastic, regrettably I was not as responsible as I should've been and being young, and a little to ornery at the time, even though I settled down in next few years, the Program was on its down hill run. And, I was more into Apollo than the STS, although it was cool too.. when young and watching all the coverage on Apollo, I NEVER would've believed we wouldn't by now be on Mars etc. However $ , and Politics.. well you know as well and Better than I! Anytime you have time, shoot me a msg, or reply, etc. Id really enjoy it Sir! God Bless, Best, "Nic:
Good video - I liked this movie aviation analysis. The movie was great too - definitley not realistic but it was at least respectful and reflective of real fighters to an extent.
Dude, there are MULTIPLE F-14s on static display at museums and in front of NAS's (just like the shot you see in the Top Gun Maverick Preview number 2, when he rolls up in front of one on his motor cycle). They are not inert either. Meaning the full powerplant and systems are intact. They pulled most of the instruments from the panel but it would not be a big lift to re-fit these with updated avionics and spin one of these back up to flight status. A quick check on Wikipedia will show you where they all are chief: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat#:~:text=Several%20retired%20F-14s%20have%20been%20put%20on%20display,and%20Tu-22M%20bombers%20on%20air%20strikes%20in%20Syria
I thought several of the F14s were simply mothballed and not sliced and diced, sad if they are as that is still my favorite aircraft. F22 and Mig21 would be my next favs.
@@yxeaviationphotog they aren't all chopped up ..no way...in 2020 I was in Nashville, Tn working out side when I started hearing the roar of a jet and it kept getting louder and was the loudest I have ever heard on the ground and I got a fix briefly on what it was directly overhead high noon and I couldn't believe it...a F14...no doubt. Being born in 81 and my dream as a kid was to be a pilot the tomcat was my favorite fighter. Even from the ground that day I could tell the wings where back and he was going somewhere in a hurry.
@@brentatkinson4796 There are some in museums, and a half dozen in the boneyard, but other than that, no flyable F-14s are left...and yes, they were chopped up so parts didn't end up in the hands of the Iranians. Sorry to burst the bubble, but what you heard wasn't an F-14.
The A10 would struggle with so much MANPADS ON the ground. The F35 would take the role of the A10 and just destroy the Russians in the air and on the ground.
We still use it (the Navy does anyways, Chairforce never used it), but only in the same role the US has ever used it, as a support aircraft for training and such. I mean, the Navy mainlined an upgrade of it if you really think about it, since the original Hornet was the F-5 airframe with some avionics upgrades, extra vertical, wing strakes, and better electronics.
The Migs in the 80s film were Soviet made, but assumed to be Libyan flown in the movie, based on a 1981 incident where 2 Migs were shot down by F14 Tomcats. Libya had claimed air space and the U.S. challenged their claim by flying sortes over the line of demarcation. The Libyan fighters fired at the F14s and were shot down with sidewinder missiles. In Top Gun Maverick, it is also assumed to be Russian allies, as Russia has had nuclear capability for a long time. Entirely fictional, but best guess of who they’re emulating is Iran.
Like visiting the uss Alabama as a kid got me into ww2 warships, seeing the f14 at an airshow got me interested in aviation. Still to this day the coolest and loudest jet I've ever seen fly was a f14d
Lucky A its radar picked up japanese fighters at a range of 200 miles in its first major battle in the pacific longest detection.of.that time gave the us plenty of time to.defend the fleet
When I was in the US NAVY, I was in a F14A and F14B Tomcat squadron that was based at NAS Miramar. The name of my old squadron was called VF24 Fighting Renegades, and while I was at NAS Miramar, one of the training squadrons I went to was VF124 before I went to VF24 , and I was deployed on the USS Nimitz as part of Carrier Air Wing 9 as one of my squadron's Plane Captains (basically it's a US Navy version of what the US Air Force calls a "crew chief"), and it is a very dirty and stinky job, but it is required to make sure that the final checks are in place before the pilot and the RIO (Radar Intercept Officer) take off in the aircraft.
wow
Thanks for your service! From a grateful American. 🤙
25 square meter radar cross section for the F-15 was done on purpose, to give the enemy time to run away.
I really hope the F15 gets to star in a movie one day!
Thats how it got its perfect kill ratio....The Intimidator!
haha lol .
104 to 0 currently….in F-15 favor.
@Jarad Crub 😅🤣🤣😂 awesome!!!
How willl the F35 feature?
F35 pilot enters the mess.
"Welcome to the 21st century Hornet pukes"
(Maverick goes to war, shoots down 5 Su57s and becomes an Ace)
Maverick: "Looks like we just seperated the men from the boys"
(cue Top Gun guitar riff and Mav flys off into the distance)
Admiral Iceman wanted the Ghost of kyiv but couldn't find him and ended up choosing Maverick as a second option
What... This is before the war and ita prety much few years before the war means that there isnt "ghost of kyiv" yet
Completely makes sense since they're both works of fiction.
Replacing one fake pilote with another
Rip ghost of kyiv the best pilot in all of europe who.came.out of retirement such a elite dogfighter that russia sent multiple.s.400.missles to take him down no pilot could take him
@@MrKook I hope ghost is not fiction
Ghost of Kyiv stole an SU-57 and goes for Maverilk's ass. There can be only one
Tomcat
Hornets
Super Hornets
Su-57
Mustang
SR-72
All beauties but the F-14 will always be The One for me.
Nah, Mikoyan Grubovich model 29 is my baby
@@mr.radovic702 Yep, can't beat the Swallow.
F-15 is mine.
Su 47
@@boiler956 Berkut? Very interesting
The Tomcat just took longer to maintain and the Super Hornet was more agile and smaller than the Tomcat. It was sad to see the Navy retire the Tomcat but it had to go and eventually the F-35 is going to be used along side the Super Hornet. Still blows my mind that the F-35 only has one engine compared to where the Navy wants 2 engines in case one goes out and you can fly yourself back on one engine.
Fantasy jet: F-35 with 2 engines (about 80,000lbs of thrust)?
4th gen jet engines made that old adage of limping back on one obsolete. If an engine fails nowadays it tends to damage the other one leading to an aircraft loss anyway
The f35 DAS itself can detect all air, ground and sea targets all at once from immense distances, while its radar is off. It can cue all target simultaneously and guide missiles from other assets towards enemies via datalink, and the missile only turns on its terminal radar guidance in the last leg. If the enemy only knows about a missile lock when the aim120 is only 4 miles out, That is a death sentance. Even thought the f35 is very manueverable, i'm not so certain it will be using it much.
Ish...im pretty sure the longest kill chain lock still goes to the f22. It had the lock, f15 fired missile etc... That being said the integration technology on the f35 is crazy. That's why I also say ish... Don't be surprised when that 6th generation plane comes sooner than later. There's a reason why the expensive projects got put on the back burner. They're freaking old designs right now and not up to snuff other than the f35s integration testing. Why the f22 still being around? What else is gonna challenge it except for maybe a handful of basically prototypes?
You forgot it can go on warp speed and turn invisible to visible light, not just radar.
it can teleport pilots to their cockpit
Yes IMPRESSIVE what a machine but!! It can burn off its skin at M 1.6 mofo at more than 60 seconds wow !! .The P 51 is no joke 6 50 cal my god 5000 kills ! The plane was a Godsend to those bomber pilots 🙏 Their servival rate expanded x4 God bless the Vets 😇
you are definitely the most informative and unbiased creator on this platform hope to buy your book some day
I love how Hollywood puts lights inside pilot's (and astronauts) helmets...
Like your car at night, it would glare and blackout your vision...
But the camera can see the actors face!
The Block 3 version of the F/A Super Hornet is supposedly capable of being on par with the SU-57 cocerning stealth. It even has the ability to carry weapons internally.
The block 3 super Hornet is wildly considered one of, if not the the most capable 4.5 generation aircraft in the world. (At least until the new model F-16 comes on line).
I feel like the SR72 thing is just where we find maverick in the beginning, doing test pilot or secret squirrel stuff which is where Ed Harris finds him, and it won’t be that big a plot line. It seems like a natural progression for senior pilots to go for. But for whatever plot reason like “we’re about to start something and we need the best of the best to teach our best,” Admiral Iceman pulls him out and has him go back to teaching, which is where we get the main plot.
I’m just wondering about the F14, like if they’ll steal one from Iran or it’s a Super Tomcat prototype or something.
Or CGI
I'm guessing its some sort of flashback. Way too big of a leap.
Yea!! That shot was NOT Ed but real nonetheless .IIt did destroy that set ,they didn't know how fierce that shock wave was going to be ,but director Loved it left it in . Ha can see the roof leave ha !! Not planned but who cares Tom didn't ✌👍😂
The Soviets were not the only one's flying MiG's with a red star
Wow that sarcastic "maybe Iran?" for the F14 ended up being spot on
The biggest problem with the F14 in an dogfight probably would be it's avioniks meaning the pilot won't only have to fight his enemy but also his controls
What makes you say that?
@@prepperjonpnw6482 most pilots and the fact that it did not had Fly By Wire. Don't get me wrong the F-14 was arguably the best jet of it's time but it was by no means easy to fly
@@warhead_beast7661 you don't know what you're talking about. The Tomcat was the SECOND US built fighter being FBW, the F-4 Phantom being the first. Although not as advanced as the F-16, it still used flight computers to fly. The F-14A had 3, the D had something like 30. Mostly the pilot would be fighting the Pratt and Whiney engines... the TF-30 as used in the movie A model wasn't designed for fighter use. Grumman only used it because it was available and the planned GE engines were scrapped during development. The TF-30 was replaced by the F110-GE-100 in the B and D models and got rid of most of the reliability problems.
@@danielvogel5252 the F-14A/B did not have true FBW, as all control surfaces were controlled directly by the pilot
might as well say that the f18 can engage people from a 100km away hence no need to go close . secondly the su 57 have RWRs and MAWS's so hangman can't sneak a missile . also the s75s are not that good and don't fly at 500kmph
Great video. I'm so excited. Thanks for mentioning the speed that the F-35 RAM starts to get damaged at, that's interesting stuff! We like details :)
Uhhhhhhhh sketch lol
So would the enemy
My 1500 RAM would definitely get damaged at that speed lol
that was def classified info
Just about to say these comments are getting a little classified . Vet just texted me !!! But fantastic info 👍👍
It would be a good idea for Sandboxx to read up on the experience of the Iranian Air Force pilot success using the Phoenix AAM in close combat against the Iraqis. While the Phoenix was designed for long range engagement, it has proven to be a very good missile for close in air combat. It's near hypersonic speed at launch is certainly a factor in this leaving opponents with little time to respond.
90% of the F14 kills are from Iranian pilots.
Love the narration, comments and understanding of these incredible machines.!!
The P51 was cheaper, you could have 2 of them for the price of one P47 Thunderbolt or P39 Lightning. But those two planes were able to fly just as far as the P51 Mustang.
Being a true Navy pilot, I would think Maverick in choosing a WWII fighter he would choose a F4U Corsair
P38 Lightning is a much better plain imo
Your opening comment is a perfect summary of why we want this film to be fun even at the expense of being realistic or believable. I just want to shut my brain off for a while and enjoy the pretty planes.
I'm stoked this movie is finally getting released. Assuming they don't delay it again. I really liked this video, you did a great job on the analysis and comparisons. Would love to see more like it
The reason why it was moved from original release date is because there's a b-movie that came out at the same time. Of the same name. But with "s" at the end. To try to cash in on the bandwagon.
Makers of the film knew this so they moved the schedule to not confuse the audience between the og a-movie & rip-off b-movie
@@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 and they moved it once because of covid, didn't want shitty box office numbers for such a big movie.
Agreed
@@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 top gunner?
Don't worry, Saul, they wouldn't DARE delay its release again!
That is, as long as a new Covid omicron variant doesn't come along (like the nasty one that is currently heading this way)!!
I think the reasons why Top Gun Maverick was select F/A-18E/F rather than F-35C were 1) F-18 also has two seats on the' F' model that easy to create the flight scene for actor/actress simulating they are flying the jet themselves but F-35 has only single seat config. 2) At the early period of filming the Top Gun 2, F-35 just in service, I think US Navy don't like any outsiders getting too cĺose to their new jets.
Add in that the F-18E/F can actually dogfight (which is cinematically exciting) whereas the F-35 can't.
Hell ya, I've been waiting for this movie to come out. I actually watched Top Gun 73 times not to mention all the times I watched it on DVD 😁😁. Great analysis of the AC also. Would love to see more videos of this type.
You saw the movie 73 times? In the theatre?
I have the laserdisc.
Of course the aircraft you did not mention was the A-4 Skyhawk 'Aggressor' flown by 'Viper' in the original Top Gun movie...
A4 was a nimble mauverable plane.for its time even though it was.sunsonic.designed.in tshe 50s right before.the phantom in 57
I'm very excited too that was the movie that make me begin to love Fighter Jets and aviation over all. one of my all time favorites!!
The F-15 has a perfect record!!! It dominated the skies during its time and still is in service with a ton of upgrades. A true superiority fighter!!!
not really
I got so much from this video! So much, that if I wanted to remember it, I'll have to watch it a few times. So many statistics and great watching this before the actual movie, which we have been looking forward to seeing for years. I look forward to your next video after the release off the movie. We know how it is being filmed, but worked love your take on it post 27th of May.
Hell yeah!! I loved this movie as a kid it was my favorite it still is it's one of those that if it's on TV I can't help but watch it! I still get hyperactive thinking about it
I watched it 8 different times with 8 different dates ,seems the women didn't want to see it again
Alex, so glad I found your channel recently. Have enjoyed going back thru your videos. The information and visuals are top shelf. Audio could use a more professional setup for doing your voice over narration and music.
Great commentary on the aircraft, but never underestimate the older aircraft in. F-14 in an air to air engagement. All the avionics upgrades are great in newer airframe, but you forgot the most important component. The Pilots. A great pilot in an older aircraft...F-14....can amaze a lesser pilot with the newest aircraft. All the new equipment is only as lethal/capable as the pilot flying it.
If you haven’t, watch top gun maverick. That’s the thesis of the movie! Hahaha
Just saw the movie on IMAX and I’m ready to go see it again!
This is turning into my favourite channel so fast, great work, ...and hard work it must be, good job
It was a great movie the planes were awesome but the parts where he's working on the mustang were hilarious. The bikes were great too. I was great seeing Val Kilmer too. I had no idea that was doing to happen
Also the cool scene when the Russians 5th gen fighters role up on rooster and maverick the sound reminds me of the scene in Independence Day when the alien fighters fly
a extensively upgraded naval carrier borne F-14 Tomcat maritime multi role fighter is still more than a match to the carrier borne F/A-18E Super Hornet (Block III) maritime multi role fighter interceptor . . . or the French carrier borne Dassault Rafale M4-R maritime multi role fighter for that matter . . . the naval carrier borne F-35C Lightning II maritime multi role fighter seriously needs a proper internal gun, as in the F-35A air force variant . . . under fuselage gun pods ain't a viable alternative to the internal cannon . . .
The problem with the gun in the F-35A is the fact that there's only 180 rounds.
Maverick and Rooster are stealing the F-14 to escape. Su-57 will be one of the planes sent to stop them.
Oh, and the F-14 is capable of out turning the Su-57, for one, repeat one turn.
I've seen the F-14 do a 9g turn with it's wings folded back and at 500 knots is said to be capable of 10g without damaging the airframe. A pilot once pulled 13g in one then limped home and landed the thing.
It's power on stall speed appears to be slower than the Su-57's so at speeds below 250 knots it will have more available g and turn rate than the Su-57 though the 57's trust vectoring might be able to compensate at the cost of forward velocity and lift.
So a viable counter to the Su-57's low speed thrust vector turn could be to for the F-14 to merge below 350 knots, entice the 57 to vector thrust and when it does, go vertical force the 57 to vector thrust even more and stall it's wings, then drop the 14's nose back down and gun the 57. (it's an F-15 tactic used against Indian Su-30 pilots who tried to use that plane's vector thrust in a dogfight)
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Great video Alex! I am psyched for this movie finally landing next month.
Yes please do more content like this i love anything with fighter jets and history. You do great teaching while entertaining. Thanks for the content really helps with my 3rd shift desk job lol.
Cant wait.
My understanding is that the F-14 scenes were shot with F/A-18s and the "shell" of an F-14 was CGI'd over it.
Oof, I'm glad you fixed some of the technical errors, but you made some yourself here.
- First and foremost radar cross sections numbers are complete bogus. They have never been released the public. The "all aspect" and "front aspect" stuff is also purely conjecture. My advice would be not to dip your foot in the arena. For the SU-57, it suffers from being Russia's first stealth attempt, and being Russian. Russian stuff always turns out to be vapor wear when combat comes.
- Speed/Heat can degrade radar absorbant material more quickly over the life of the coating, but flying at high speeds for more than 60 seconds will not have a noticeable effect during a mission. The specific point mentioned here was a restriction applied early in the F-35's test program to avoid potential damage over the coatings lifetime; not necesarily a real problem. This problem may have already been fixed, or simply removed the restriction. The F-35 actually features a far more robust and durable RAM coating than older stealth aircraft like the F-22, B-2, or F-117.
- Aerial combat is a lot more complicated than the numbers on a paper, especialy because those numbers are generally just conjecture made up on the internet. The best way to judge these things is to talk to pilots of the specific platform and just avoid making definitive statements that lack proof. And again, I remind of the "LazerPig Loop" which describes why the west constantly fanboys over Russian equipement, but consistently turns it into scrap metal any time it's seen on the battle field. www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/t2yoi9/the_lazerpig_loop/
Correction about the "mig 28's". In 1986, we didn't assume they were soviet. We assumed they were north Korean... that's what the red star was supposed to symbolize. Just correcting that minor error in this very good video
Bs Russian is what I thought they were and everyone else too.
I’m a bit biased, but why did you leave out the A-4 Skyhawks? Granted they’re not “fighter” aircraft, but still a formidable foe in a dogfight.
I’m totally stoked to be going to see this Movie already bought tickets I was in the navy when top gun originally came out AMH aviation mech hydraulics I worked on just about every aircraft the navy had at that time. Yeah I’m pumped to see the new top gun maverick.
Spoiler alert! Maverick really is an "ace-plus-one." Should also count the "downed" enemy F14.
Great video! Not sure if you did one, but maybe a video about possible 6th gen fighters that countries are developing?
Soviet MiG's are classified with having odd numbers - not even, so a MiG 28 was a nice way of saying this was a fictitious jet fighter from a fictitious country.
13:30 "no actual aircraft have manifested"
Well, what about X-15 of 1960s? It did fly hypersonic
I cannot wait to see it!!
Saw Top Gun: Maverick tonight and enjoyed it.
@AlexHollings
Love your channel! And I like most of your subs (Im betting,) crave as much of this type of subject matter as you care to put out! Plus as 1 of your Subs already mentioned, you give lots of data in an unbiased manner which is appreciated! Oh, we know and can tell planes you like etc, but you still give unbiased data on things like avionics and refits and upgrades etc. Which we or I certainly enjoy! More please Alex!
Peace,
~"Nic"
Excellent analysis of Top Gun Maverick! Love the new movie Top Gun Maverick! I watched this analysis before I saw the movie!
Great analysis. I love how thorough your videos are. I saw the film a few days ago and - despite a lot of really unrealistic scenarios - loved every minute of it. Keep up the great work. :-)
I Love air planes like all Americans So when I watch your films and you coordinate the Visuals & vocals I am able to absorb a great deal more information and I am also able to keep up. As always Great Work & thank you for always being here with new content !
I have been dying to see this movie since the first trailer was released. Hopefully I will be seeing it in IMAX. The F-14 appearance is very intriguing, I am really wondering how they will work the old Tomcat into the movie.
The F-5 as a Mig stand-in wasn't a Hollywood thing, that was standard in actual military training.
Best movie I've seen in long time. Love the flares detonating radar guided missles!!!
They may not specify the foreign enemy in the movie, but I think that Iran was the only place to find an F-14 in country, so it's pretty well implied. Unless the average punter is the sort you find watching your impressive content, they may miss that though. Hope you're feeling better soonest mate. 👍🤕🇭🇲
Does the Taiwanese flag appear on any jackets or was it removed?
I'll politely disagree on the premise that the first movie would have started a war. The 'enemy' country is not named, but just because they flew MiGs does not mean they were the Soviet Union. I always felt that the screenwriters based it upon the first Gulf of Sidra incident involving F-14s shooting down a pair of Libyan Su-22s. (The second Gulf of Sidra incident happened in March 1986, too late to have influenced the script) During the early 80s, the USSR did indeed export relatively new (and mostly unseen by the West) aircraft to various countries around the world, including MiG-25s to Libya.
I can’t even remember the first time I saw Top Gun. It came out when I was 4. But I’ve loved airplanes ever since!
Paused the video just to comment this.
Tom’s ‘p51’ is actually, I believe, is a TF-51 or a TP-51
The original version, as far as I am aware, was never a two seater. Tom’s is. He gave a ride to James Corden which sat in the back, or should I say stuffed in the back.
FYI, the channel “The Buzz” stole a lot of what you said in a video about the same thing. That video is currently sitting at 670K views, and you clearly deserve the credit. That, and your videos are just much better. See about filing a claim if you haven’t already.
30mins into Top Gun: Maverick I was thinking "jeez, why a corny movie" but by the end it was pretty impressive. If you're on the fence about watching it just do it.
Have been waiting for this MOVIE. Since I heard they announced maybe making another top gun movie, about three or so years ago! Needless to say the movie is finally going to be released and not delayed again!
Take this from a military retired person. You were totally wrong about the end of top gun being wrong cause it would have been a start of a war. Things like this happen and we the public never know thats all.
I watched a video where actual top gun pilots said the flying was very good. They had actually done everything that was done in the movie.
So if the f18 super hornet had radar absorbent paint it would possibly be more stealthy than the su57 😂
Good video! 👊🏻💥👊🏻
3:26 What? The MiG-28 and MiG-28UB are pretty much real, those are just commonly known as F-5E and T-38, actually used in Red Air ;)
9:04 Wait, it's even slower than the legacy Hornet, by 0.3? First time I've ever heard that...
15:17 _TOMCATS!_
Yep, the pylons are tilted out 8 degrees causing more drag
Hi Alex - I like your evaluation of F-14 - I was a tool designer in Grumman when the first models were built. Electron beam welding of main frame and wing was my expertise. Grumman was excellent experience wonderful people and a terrific job. Also had my hand in checking all of the tooling that built LEM bird cage assy and thermal engine blanket. I had the wonderful experience of seeing the first prototype and actually climbing up to the open canopy prior to it's presentation to the navy. Of course i could not resist trying to get in. But i knew i had to resist it.. Thanks for the memories.
Hi Robert; when you mentioned work history with F-14 and the LEM as in THE LEM?? (Lunar Excursion Module?)
If so, INCREDIBLE!! and AWESOME! I am old enough to remember the launches and landings of Apollo, and those days were special indeed.. I although like to fancy myself prwtty good sim pilot and aircraft fan, I am in reality quite ignorant on many things in that subject matter, but csn think of nothing else with that abbreviation or (acronym?) LEM
Either way brings back great memories! Best to you!
Peace,
"Nic"
@@Phrostbyte007 Hi NIC, Yes it was ayoung man's dream job. I think you might get a kick out of this - when interviewed for the job in May of 66 interviewer asked if i was a sun worshipper - my reply was never go out in sun hardly at all - his reply was good - because for next few years i believe you won't see it. he wasn't kidding - In my five years at Grumman - I only turned down 1 hr of overtime. Love to tell you about LUNAR MOULE - BUT STILL HOLD THAT WORK CLOSE TO MY HEART.
@@robertbozzanca2812 I envy You Robert! I could read and or enjoy listening or watching any and all of that you mention and Oh boy, the LEM! The Space Program was something I wanted to be a part of, ANY part of.. when my family and I went down to "Kennedy"(?) at the time in Fl it was fantastic, regrettably I was not as responsible as I should've been and being young, and a little to ornery at the time, even though I settled down in next few years, the Program was on its down hill run. And, I was more into Apollo than the STS, although it was cool too.. when young and watching all the coverage on Apollo, I NEVER would've believed we wouldn't by now be on Mars etc. However $ , and Politics.. well you know as well and Better than I! Anytime you have time, shoot me a msg, or reply, etc. Id really enjoy it Sir! God Bless,
Best,
"Nic:
There was at least 1 F-35 in the movie, but it was just its catapult/wheel hookup on the carrier I. The beginning of the movie.
I'm surprised there weren't massive issues with the F"Error page not found" Engine, I would've upgraded past that number too.
The original Top Gun was my Star Wars, so definitely looking forward to Maverick.
Thanks for the analysis! I appreciate understanding the aircraft better since I watched the movie last night.
Good video - I liked this movie aviation analysis. The movie was great too - definitley not realistic but it was at least respectful and reflective of real fighters to an extent.
Dude, there are MULTIPLE F-14s on static display at museums and in front of NAS's (just like the shot you see in the Top Gun Maverick Preview number 2, when he rolls up in front of one on his motor cycle). They are not inert either. Meaning the full powerplant and systems are intact. They pulled most of the instruments from the panel but it would not be a big lift to re-fit these with updated avionics and spin one of these back up to flight status. A quick check on Wikipedia will show you where they all are chief: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat#:~:text=Several%20retired%20F-14s%20have%20been%20put%20on%20display,and%20Tu-22M%20bombers%20on%20air%20strikes%20in%20Syria
The F14 Tomcat in the new movie was on loan from the USS Midway Museum in San Diego.
Tomcat was loaned from the San Diego Air&Space Museum, not the Midway.
He said the Super Hornet has a top speed of Mach 1.5... That's wrong to best off my knowledge. Every reference I have ever seen has it at Mach 1.8..
FANTASTIC VID!!! Pls do more. (Iron Eagle 2 maybe, one of the most underrated aviation films in history??) 🤔
Maybe Cruise is flying a 21 Super Tomcat, who knows. Super excited to see the movie no matter what!
Thanks for this. Great info and some fun facts to know before enjoying the movie release.
THIS VIDEO WAS AWESOME!!! FILLED WITH INTERESTING AVIATION TIDBITS!!!
The Tomcat will always be my #1, in my ❤️ and in my installation of..............DCS World!
I thought this was going to be an April fools video.. but I clicked immediately anyways just to hear you say "air power"
This just makes me want US to make a super tomcat more than ever
I thought several of the F14s were simply mothballed and not sliced and diced, sad if they are as that is still my favorite aircraft. F22 and Mig21 would be my next favs.
Some are in museums while there about 6 in storage at AMARG.
@@yxeaviationphotog they aren't all chopped up ..no way...in 2020 I was in Nashville, Tn working out side when I started hearing the roar of a jet and it kept getting louder and was the loudest I have ever heard on the ground and I got a fix briefly on what it was directly overhead high noon and I couldn't believe it...a F14...no doubt. Being born in 81 and my dream as a kid was to be a pilot the tomcat was my favorite fighter. Even from the ground that day I could tell the wings where back and he was going somewhere in a hurry.
@@brentatkinson4796 There are some in museums, and a half dozen in the boneyard, but other than that, no flyable F-14s are left...and yes, they were chopped up so parts didn't end up in the hands of the Iranians. Sorry to burst the bubble, but what you heard wasn't an F-14.
I love aviation videos. I’m curious to know what effect F35’s and A10’s could do in the Ukrainian war theater….
A-10 vs the largest traffic jam the world has ever seen... that probably would have been the most efficient use of that gun ever.
RU would have to actually push in with every fighter it has to destroy them fast or they would completely obliterate their surface units.
The A10 would struggle with so much MANPADS ON the ground.
The F35 would take the role of the A10 and just destroy the Russians in the air and on the ground.
@@CakePrincessCelestia my thoughts exactly!
the Chinese pandering is real with this one....
perfectly timed recruiting tool for a good ole world war.
IIRC, the F-5 was never in America's arsenal. It was sold/exported to other countries.
We still use it (the Navy does anyways, Chairforce never used it), but only in the same role the US has ever used it, as a support aircraft for training and such. I mean, the Navy mainlined an upgrade of it if you really think about it, since the original Hornet was the F-5 airframe with some avionics upgrades, extra vertical, wing strakes, and better electronics.
Thanks from an old Navy Shoe🇺🇸
Great rundown Alex! Stoked foe this film!
Back in 05 when I worked at Lockheed in Colorado we had a server named darkstar
The super hornet tops out at mach 1.8, not sure where you got that number?
Watched the movie yesterday. The F-14 was used in an interesting way
The Migs in the 80s film were Soviet made, but assumed to be Libyan flown in the movie, based on a 1981 incident where 2 Migs were shot down by F14 Tomcats. Libya had claimed air space and the U.S. challenged their claim by flying sortes over the line of demarcation. The Libyan fighters fired at the F14s and were shot down with sidewinder missiles. In Top Gun Maverick, it is also assumed to be Russian allies, as Russia has had nuclear capability for a long time. Entirely fictional, but best guess of who they’re emulating is Iran.
Couldn't have hit the like and subscribe button any faster if I wanted to! Love the video great work!
Like visiting the uss Alabama as a kid got me into ww2 warships, seeing the f14 at an airshow got me interested in aviation. Still to this day the coolest and loudest jet I've ever seen fly was a f14d
Lucky A its radar picked up japanese fighters at a range of 200 miles in its first major battle in the pacific longest detection.of.that time gave the us plenty of time to.defend the fleet