A very important thing in this particular comparison (which you didn`t mention, but is pretty evident) is in the position of the trailing arm at the bottom turn (7:05 mark): advanced surfer`s arm is behind his back, (loading the coil) while intermediate surfer´s arm is always in front of him, therefore not loading the coil and not having enough rotating force to turn right... thanks for the vid...
Anthony is a very dedicated and good surfer, this shows how complex is the surfing endeavor. This reminds me how important it is to enjoy each stage of our development, as i trust Anthony had as much fun as Clay during this session. And, it reminds me to enjoy the process esp. as an older dude.
Interesting points but there's no dismissing the weight factor. Sure, you an generate more force and leverage but you can only take what the wave has to offer. The power zone will be much larger for a lighter surfer. There's also flexibility and reaction time. Larger limbs move more slowly. It would be a good comparison if the waves were double the size where a taller and heavier surfer could really let loose.
The take off discussion really struck home with me, I've really struggled with exactly that same feeling of, doing my popup, "getting comfortable standing on my board" then initiating my bottom turn and so often I'm already feeling the foam on my ankles at that point and having to play catchup to get in front of the foam. Seeing Clayton already on rail going down the wave really shows me i have to work on my pop up even more than I thought, but do so without rushing it.
Epic video and side by side comparision 🙌 I like those points regarding getting up to that top 1/3rd of the wave and banking vertically with your hands. Clayton does sets up the section better from his take off and bottom turn it does have a steeper face but it's how he holds the heel side rail throughout the turn, using his head and arms to generste the upper body twist instead of standing flat like Ant is the major difference in the quality of turn. Thanks Clay and Ant!
This is gold guys!!!! i do practice surfskate in the flats, but miss that 3D factor. Also, I feel that my top turns were way better when i used to ride bowls with a regular skateboard. Great video!
There's so much truth in the vertical hands Vs ant's horizontal. It clicked for me when I took Mick Fannings tip to 'turn with your chin' (from Stab's cheatcodes series) It's a biomechanical hack. Try it just standing on dry land and watch his it changes your form. Tried it one week and performed the best turns I'd ever done in over twenty years surfing. Didn't stick though! There was no long learning curve so the lesson didn't become embedded in the muscles. Trying to remember to try it again, if only I wasn't so tense when I finally get a good section! Cheers guys, killer work
What you pointed out is exactly what differentiates my surfing from a mate of mine who is outstanding. I'm old so it may be too late but there's always hope.👍🏻
Super helpful and looking forward to more work in the bowl. Having a tutorial on work in the bowl and getting in the reps and a practice routine will be great. Excellent production guys
I would also add that Clayton’s rail engagement on take off gives him more speed which allows him to go on more of an angle when turning off the top. Speed allows you to keep the vertical turn right around.
Thanks for the video very good. A similar and maybe more critical comparison video on the take off would be great. Clay touched on it a little in this video. Discussing the actual wave paddle in, going straight and when to start your bottoms turn. Really enjoy OMBE.
This was super helpful. Loved seeing the comparison side by side. I definitely turn more like Ant does with a much 'flatter' board. So this was great to see how to potentially practice to fix it. I also find I try and turn too far away from the lip/whitewater. If you nail the turn in the right place it almost becomes effortless because you harness the power of the wave. You know when you have done a good one! Thanks guys!
OMBE mugs! I want one! Great insights that I can directly apply to my own surfing. I'd love to see a third video where you come back down to URBN and apply that surf skate training from Video 2.
Ant needs to practice being relaxed when falling off the wave. Clay says it about three times every time he talks about Ants surfing. Enjoy it, falling off in the water for a bit of a tumble is fine. The body language is “fuck, I am not going to fall off this wave”. As soon as Ant learns to relax on the wave he’s going to level up so quickly
Some golden tips in there, initiating the both turn early from the take off, coming higher off the lip with the top turn, rotating both arm back down the wave Lightfooted ready for the next maneuver. What if your a heavy footed surfer?? 🤔🤔🤔 Will try tomorrow at Echo beach. Steep lip
Guys a bit late to the channel but absolutely loving the breakdown and content provided, currently improving loads and getting regular sessions at the Wave Pool
Thank you so much guys, it's a great video however do you think the main reason of the tension and the rail engagement comes from the foot position between the two surfers? Clayton's foots are correctly positioned to do his turn (back foot at the end of the pad and front foot in the the middle of the board) whereaas Anthony has his foot at the beginning of the pad and his front foot is therefore too high on the board which will create inconfort when he take off, bottom turn and top turn on the wave. check foot position of Anthony in min 13:12 comparaison to Clayton min 12:51
Thanks so much for your sharing! So good to see that video! I am also working on the vertical. However, I know I am a weaker intermediate compare with you. Will be even more interesting if my video is put along too. Looking forward to your next one.
If you don’t have a bowl, use a hill, and go ACROSS the road, using the slope as a wave. You can lean into a bottom turn, and then pivot/twist at the top.
Hi there! Thanks for the incredible video on surfing. It got me thinking about something. I've noticed that when I'm eager to get to the top of the wave, I tend to bring my body too close to the board, which I feel restricts my movement and versatility. Do you think creating some space between the board and myself could help enhance my surfing dynamics? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!
Amazing stuff guys, keep them coming. A question, though: Around minute 8:34, Clay mentions the difference of doing the turn with rails vs. Ant approach with legs. Functionally speaking (body movement and rotation at the point of turn) is there a difference in the approach? Or is this just the consequence of the different actions taken by each one of you till that very movement (drop, bottom turn, line of attack for the top turn, criticality of the wave face)? Thanks guys!
Is it correct that I saw Clay setting up for the next turn directly after the previous turn was done, where Anthony surfed a second flat before starting his next turn and there for losing his flow.
You have tô pay attention to the sources of energy. It is true you have tô look where you are going, but It is very import to feel where are the energy of the wave that will litteraly push the board. The body will natturally adjust the board position.
Being at the top of the wave is like having money in the bank. Being at the bottom of the wave is when you should have turned the money into speed. If you get to the bottom and you have no speed you're broke.
Most importantly look at his board in terms of planning surface. His board is either nose all the way down flat on the water not on rail and when he should be on rail his nose is sticking up and out of the water he's plowing the whole time super heavy 9n back foot. No buried rail and carve its nose up and out of water and flatly plowing instead of a nice arc. He needs his weight to be more evenly distributed.
Great video. Almost looks like you need a bigger board to me. Something bigger that will make it easier for you to surf on rail. That seems to be the biggest difference when I watch this video. Clay surfs on rail and flowing cutting through the wave and turns. You’re surfing more flat and not so much on rail. That’s the biggest difference btw advance and intermediate and I find it harder to surf on rail on a smaller shortboard vs something bit longer unless you already have rail to rail surfing dialed on a shorty. Also you’re a much bigger guy. I know lotta ppl love the feel of a shorty and wanna get better on a shorty but time spent on a bigger board like even a mid can do wonders to improve your carve and rail2rail game. A super lightweight 7ft thruster for example. Light so you can still throw it around. As a bigger guy you should have no prob shredding on a 7ft much like a standard shorty. Especially in a controlled wave pool setting.
Clayton is a Master at teaching...his pal has to learn to not interrupt when Clay talks 😅 He does it in all the videos.
This whole video's vibe:
Ant: "I'm so excited about this yay!"
Clay: ".....We need to talk."
This is pure gold. Please also consider using first person pov footage. I'd like to see the difference in what you guys see in the section.
100%
A very important thing in this particular comparison (which you didn`t mention, but is pretty evident) is in the position of the trailing arm at the bottom turn (7:05 mark): advanced surfer`s arm is behind his back, (loading the coil) while intermediate surfer´s arm is always in front of him, therefore not loading the coil and not having enough rotating force to turn right... thanks for the vid...
Anthony is a very dedicated and good surfer, this shows how complex is the surfing endeavor. This reminds me how important it is to enjoy each stage of our development, as i trust Anthony had as much fun as Clay during this session. And, it reminds me to enjoy the process esp. as an older dude.
Interesting points but there's no dismissing the weight factor. Sure, you an generate more force and leverage but you can only take what the wave has to offer. The power zone will be much larger for a lighter surfer. There's also flexibility and reaction time. Larger limbs move more slowly. It would be a good comparison if the waves were double the size where a taller and heavier surfer could really let loose.
Gooold thanks
I wish I could be in aussi again 😢
The take off discussion really struck home with me, I've really struggled with exactly that same feeling of, doing my popup, "getting comfortable standing on my board" then initiating my bottom turn and so often I'm already feeling the foam on my ankles at that point and having to play catchup to get in front of the foam. Seeing Clayton already on rail going down the wave really shows me i have to work on my pop up even more than I thought, but do so without rushing it.
Epic video and side by side comparision 🙌 I like those points regarding getting up to that top 1/3rd of the wave and banking vertically with your hands.
Clayton does sets up the section better from his take off and bottom turn it does have a steeper face but it's how he holds the heel side rail throughout the turn, using his head and arms to generste the upper body twist instead of standing flat like Ant is the major difference in the quality of turn. Thanks Clay and Ant!
Just leaning and touching wave on the bottom turn this weekend was a game changer.
This is gold guys!!!! i do practice surfskate in the flats, but miss that 3D factor. Also, I feel that my top turns were way better when i used to ride bowls with a regular skateboard. Great video!
Thanks OMBE guys, this is incredibly valuable. I also noticed that CLAY waited a little longer before initiating his rotation at the top of the wave.
There's so much truth in the vertical hands Vs ant's horizontal. It clicked for me when I took Mick Fannings tip to 'turn with your chin' (from Stab's cheatcodes series) It's a biomechanical hack. Try it just standing on dry land and watch his it changes your form. Tried it one week and performed the best turns I'd ever done in over twenty years surfing. Didn't stick though! There was no long learning curve so the lesson didn't become embedded in the muscles. Trying to remember to try it again, if only I wasn't so tense when I finally get a good section! Cheers guys, killer work
Pure gold Indeed ! Looking forward to watching you correcting in the bowl !
You guys are legends
Great to see the comparison on the split screen
Love the wave
What you pointed out is exactly what differentiates my surfing from a mate of mine who is outstanding. I'm old so it may be too late but there's always hope.👍🏻
Super helpful and looking forward to more work in the bowl. Having a tutorial on work in the bowl and getting in the reps and a practice routine will be great. Excellent production guys
I would also add that Clayton’s rail engagement on take off gives him more speed which allows him to go on more of an angle when turning off the top. Speed allows you to keep the vertical turn right around.
Yep so true
Great video!! Loved this head to head comparison between Clay and Ant!
Love the approach used to explain the fundamentals
That’s was a great side by side comparison. Very helpful! Looking forward to the next video.
side by side , super helpful to understand the small differences....that matter !
Thanks for the video very good. A similar and maybe more critical comparison video on the take off would be great. Clay touched on it a little in this video. Discussing the actual wave paddle in, going straight and when to start your bottoms turn.
Really enjoy OMBE.
gold as always mates! thank you for what you do
Thank you very much, you are very generous in sharing your knowledge
This was super helpful. Loved seeing the comparison side by side. I definitely turn more like Ant does with a much 'flatter' board. So this was great to see how to potentially practice to fix it. I also find I try and turn too far away from the lip/whitewater. If you nail the turn in the right place it almost becomes effortless because you harness the power of the wave. You know when you have done a good one! Thanks guys!
OMBE mugs! I want one! Great insights that I can directly apply to my own surfing. I'd love to see a third video where you come back down to URBN and apply that surf skate training from Video 2.
Thanks
Shout you's a coupla coffees! Hope to see you guys at URBNSURF Syd soon. 🤙🏽
Cheers for the vid! What was the remedy for Ant's takeoff? Remove tension and get on rail earlier?
Ant needs to practice being relaxed when falling off the wave. Clay says it about three times every time he talks about Ants surfing. Enjoy it, falling off in the water for a bit of a tumble is fine. The body language is “fuck, I am not going to fall off this wave”. As soon as Ant learns to relax on the wave he’s going to level up so quickly
Some golden tips in there, initiating the both turn early from the take off, coming higher off the lip with the top turn, rotating both arm back down the wave Lightfooted ready for the next maneuver. What if your a heavy footed surfer?? 🤔🤔🤔 Will try tomorrow at Echo beach. Steep lip
This is such a good video comparo
Guys a bit late to the channel but absolutely loving the breakdown and content provided, currently improving loads and getting regular sessions at the Wave Pool
Thank you so much guys, it's a great video however do you think the main reason of the tension and the rail engagement comes from the foot position between the two surfers? Clayton's foots are correctly positioned to do his turn (back foot at the end of the pad and front foot in the the middle of the board) whereaas Anthony has his foot at the beginning of the pad and his front foot is therefore too high on the board which will create inconfort when he take off, bottom turn and top turn on the wave. check foot position of Anthony in min 13:12 comparaison to Clayton min 12:51
You guys are the best!!!!!!
I love these guys. Awesome vids.
thank you guys, nice job that what you are doing, thanx again
Great video!
Thanks so much for your sharing! So good to see that video! I am also working on the vertical. However, I know I am a weaker intermediate compare with you. Will be even more interesting if my video is put along too. Looking forward to your next one.
This is very helpful.. 🙌
As always guys super useful!
This is GOLD
If you don’t have a bowl, use a hill, and go ACROSS the road, using the slope as a wave. You can lean into a bottom turn, and then pivot/twist at the top.
Thanks for the gold tip
Hi there! Thanks for the incredible video on surfing. It got me thinking about something. I've noticed that when I'm eager to get to the top of the wave, I tend to bring my body too close to the board, which I feel restricts my movement and versatility. Do you think creating some space between the board and myself could help enhance my surfing dynamics? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!
I’m looking forward to see you guys training on the bowl, I have a carver and I really need to stop wiggle 😂
Hi where is the follow up video to this please? Im going to try and find it now. But no harm in sharing it in the description. Thanks
Nice Video!
Amazing stuff guys, keep them coming. A question, though: Around minute 8:34, Clay mentions the difference of doing the turn with rails vs. Ant approach with legs. Functionally speaking (body movement and rotation at the point of turn) is there a difference in the approach? Or is this just the consequence of the different actions taken by each one of you till that very movement (drop, bottom turn, line of attack for the top turn, criticality of the wave face)? Thanks guys!
Is it correct that I saw Clay setting up for the next turn directly after the previous turn was done, where Anthony surfed a second flat before starting his next turn and there for losing his flow.
You have tô pay attention to the sources of energy. It is true you have tô look where you are going, but It is very import to feel where are the energy of the wave that will litteraly push the board. The body will natturally adjust the board position.
what software / App do you use for your surfing analysis ?
Being at the top of the wave is like having money in the bank. Being at the bottom of the wave is when you should have turned the money into speed. If you get to the bottom and you have no speed you're broke.
which app are you using to do those lines in the vide?
what kind of program you used for video analysis
which app are you draw on video？please tell me😢
Can some explain how to lean on the toe during take of , many thanks
How's nobody talking about the foot placement???
Seems more critical than the things they reviewed.
Still great video and tips!
What app u use for video analysis?
You guys are awesome
Thanks, v helpful vid
Does Ant stick his bum out and Clay tucks his bum under? Is tucking the bum under better technique?
Most importantly look at his board in terms of planning surface. His board is either nose all the way down flat on the water not on rail and when he should be on rail his nose is sticking up and out of the water he's plowing the whole time super heavy 9n back foot. No buried rail and carve its nose up and out of water and flatly plowing instead of a nice arc. He needs his weight to be more evenly distributed.
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Great video. Almost looks like you need a bigger board to me. Something bigger that will make it easier for you to surf on rail. That seems to be the biggest difference when I watch this video. Clay surfs on rail and flowing cutting through the wave and turns. You’re surfing more flat and not so much on rail. That’s the biggest difference btw advance and intermediate and I find it harder to surf on rail on a smaller shortboard vs something bit longer unless you already have rail to rail surfing dialed on a shorty. Also you’re a much bigger guy. I know lotta ppl love the feel of a shorty and wanna get better on a shorty but time spent on a bigger board like even a mid can do wonders to improve your carve and rail2rail game. A super lightweight 7ft thruster for example. Light so you can still throw it around. As a bigger guy you should have no prob shredding on a 7ft much like a standard shorty. Especially in a controlled wave pool setting.
Would’ve been great if you showed it in realtime speed comparison once before
Pinky up
Am i the only one that can barely hear them? Volume up on yt and my PC. (sigh)
Not to mention the softspoken sage..
oh my god... shut up and let the coach speak
Always hung up on the wave always coming down with the white water always looking down that 1st point. It's key.