If the bubble was persisting after the creator died I would feel better about these changes. If Well can stay after the warlock dies the bubble should stay after titan dies.
NedBark- But thats the thing, If a bubble stuck around after death people would just gun the bubble down and get rid of it with any means they can before the person that popped it could even get back to the bubble in PVP.... And if the user that popped the bubble actually managed to get back to there bubble after spawning in the bubble would probably almost be useless because all its health would almost be gone to the point where almost anything would destroy it, trust me if people seen bubbles hanging around after death they would be melting those bubbles as fast as possible so the titan that popped it could not use it a second time.
@@kurtnordli1381 You can say the same thing about Well. Obviously if there's no one in it you'll just freely destroy it. More often than not there's another team mate in there too. With these nerfs they have to give the Bubble something like that. Because you have to leave the Bubble to shoot back, it's actually easier to defend a Wells sword. If you can see any edge of a Bubble now (from cover) it's easy to destroy.
u can legit kill a well so fast. yall titan mains have so many broken things and you cry when bungie actually tries to balance the class in the slightest. stfu
@@shotty1673 and how tf do you kill a well before getting shredded. Bubble gives no dr when you walk out and the damage buff is the same as a well minus the protection. If you don’t have a super you just can’t counter a well. A high impact sniper can one shot someone but they just shoot and flinch tou
Their logic is, "all supers in the game can be put down by any means, with a bit of effort using guns and supers shut them down of course. Why should bubble be only easily countered by supers?" Because Bungie, ward is SOLELY a defensive super. You can shoot out of a well of radiance. You have to step OUT of a bubble to go on the offense. I miss the days of D1 when the Buble was invincible except for super damage.
@@giantslayer9335 My opinion is that the bubble was fine in all modes except zone trials. You are guaranteed to get your bubble before any super that can counter it and it was a free round win any time there’s a bubble titan on your team. You could even do this for multiple rounds in a row and completely secure the match. It was very unfair in trials. I think it is very unfortunate for all other modes though. I believe changes should’ve been made to zone trials specifically instead of neutering the super as a whole.
Well can Also take direct damage. Plus you can still die if you position poorly. Also you can take the buff with you with bubble. Well is not the case.
@@c.fyffe0 Haha nah I'm just frustrated, I've always loved bubble and it was nice when it was really a contender. It's ALWAYS been an underdog way to play which made it fun. Ah well 🤷♂️
@c fyffe you talking PvE? I thought the PvE nerf was stupid from the get. It made bubble completely irrelevant when you can run well and get the same buff while also being able to fire weapons with constant healing
Depends on the play mode I think that bubble will be still good in trials zone control. because you saw in the video that they need six person shooting the bubble down in like 15 sec. So when only 3 persons are on the enemies team they need the full 30 sec.
The light atk on the hunter super hits 2 time on the initial pass through and again when it come back idk how bugged it is but 2 quick atks might still be enough after the fix
Yea yea seems about right. I wonder what else is in store for Titans. What’s the next thing gonna be nerfed? They basically butchered every class super and exotic. Maybe they’ll nerf the the armor next.
Hmmm that teamshot bit wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It still takes quite a beating from just hammering it... That genuinely feels like a healthy level of beating to take. It's not pointless to attack it, but the entire teams just gotta go all in on hammering it and it will actually break sometime this year. Also the berserker seems like a dueling super kinda? I think the best way to counter a roaming super might be light, heavy, light. Because two heavy's just has you flying out of the way. But one swipe even after a light isn't enough for a kill. But if you finish up with a light attack after you dash through them, you can just finish them off with a ranged projectile/ bind them if you still didn't kill them. I wonder how the arc staff hunter handles suspend though... Can they even deflect the binding? and even if you did somehow manage to bind them, would they be able to just hold deflect after and make it moot? Strand subclasses feel like they have more nuance to them then most of the other classes and are weirdly... kinda the most balanced? Like apart from hunter supers "light" attack they feel strong but reasonable. Suspend isn't painful as it makes them an easier target, but they can still fight back.
hunter strand whip isnt bugged. its a pres hit also just tested this today and still works... do no suspend the targets in the bubble to whip or use other attack. better to try to destroy the bubble with whip which leaves you roughly 10-15% super left
Aggressive snipers with under-over will one-shot you to the head in bubble because it does 570 on a crit, there are 2 snipers that can roll this, albruna D (gambit) and bite of the fox (iron banner). Is it too niche to realistically use? Yes. Do i care? No.
Titan has a lot of good exotics, they just keep needing shit that doesn’t need nerfed. Meanwhile I get one hit meleed by striker titan every other engagement and apparently bungie thinks that’s fine
@@georgeworshington4120 all classes have terrible exotics but titans have few that actually support unique play styles. Just think how cool severance enclosure would be if it worked with the 3.0 stuff. Or strong holds working with glaves. I can only speak as a titan main so I don't fully understand how bad the issue is for other classes
For how shit the titan strand melee is it recharges painfully slow and starting a match with a single charge is pretty terrible, it takes half the match of no melees to get all 3 charges
Don’t get why they can’t make you shoot through the bubble like in d1 but it just has a lil worse damage buff than well. After all that was titans utility in endgame
I love titans and would love if they got some love but shooting out of a bubble. Nah man that's just silly. I do agree it needs changes as it's literally just a worse version of well In the vast majority of content.
Been a titan main since my friend told me to try them immediately after I beat d1 campaign. Its been my main class since but its getting harder to remain one.
@@ThumosTheUnbrokenthat was a dumb idea though. They should’ve just left bubble as it was, it was already worse than well and only really countered dawnblade, sentinel and maybe nova warp
All the people in this comment section bitching that bubble needed a nerf never actually stopped to think about how they could counter it. If they did they would’ve realized that it’s just not as “op” as they think it is/was
Sentinel shield poops on Hunter and Titan strand super, blocking loses no energy to the supers and suspend only works for a split second, you can decide when to drop your shield and double melee to kill
Oh no, the maximum passivity super finally got a nerf… Note that a nerf doesn’t mean something is suddenly not good. In this particular case, it went from impenetrable to able to be more readily countered… like any other super. Don’t pretend like you haven’t been infuriated by a bubble that you could do literally nothing about because you didn’t have your own super (although that’s no guarantee) or the exact kit to counter it.
Personally I'm more annoyed how no other Titan super got buffed. Bubble is still the best choice. They need to give a reason to use other Titan supers other then Bubble.
Content creators are not creative enough to come up with game modes that can’t be exploited by something as common as a Titan bubble. So instead of making the zone move across the map as we try to capture it. (Making the bubble far less effective) Let’s just nerf it. I actually enjoyed some of the bubble wars during IB. What drives me crazy is that I have never thought the bubble to be OP. Can’t shoot out of it and there are many supers that are able to take care of it. OP is having one of the fastest cool downs of a Super the can make an ice tornado that with track down enemies AND also get a couple ice lances to kill/freeze a couple guardians at the same time. 🤷🏻♂️
i dont see an issue with this, bubble needed to be nerfed well should be next, its honestly nice knowing that a bubble on a capture zone wont just be a free win anymore i really hope they hit well next and hopefully soon.
Yeah no. Its a purely defensive super. It should take another super to take it down. And you should be severely punished for trying to take on a bubble by yourself.
@@targitausrithux2320 no it 100% needed a nerf the only way to deal with it was another super, or maybe run in a witherhord, the only way to deal with bubble on a point when the whole team is inside of it is super and any other super can be dealth with without a super bubble was the only super that was essentially a free win button because you can just run 2-3 titans and never lose objective.
@@dragonmaster1599 it’s because it’s a defensive super and you knock someone out of bubble and once a titan leaves bubble they can die and and lose bubble so it’s jus stupid at this point
@@tjthetitan4841 still one of the strongest supers in pvp when it comes to objectives just like well, and with the new trials changes its gonna get nerfed again since they want to make it capture elimination, every other super can be dealt with in some way without another super unless its capture because you dont have enough time, imo bubbles and wells should also just vanish if placed on top of an objective so its not just a free win button.
I knew when they announced these nerfs that they fucking destroyed it. Im so sick of bungie nerfing things into the ground or not touching them at all. There was no reason for half the nerfs it got. I can understand the extra health inside the bubble. But my god you should NOT be able to take down a bubble with primary fire.
Had to delete this game lol pre ordered dlc for $100 and it honestly felt like a total ripoff when you complete campaign an I'm a Void titan player pve activities and PvP just suck now
Titans can’t get a break. Useless ahh class there is literally no reason to play titan outside of niche builds (only does 1% of warlock damage), and strand (it’s shit compared to both warlock and hunter).
As usually bungo are using their 2 neurons to do these nerfs, they don't use the logic anymore, bubble is a defensive mode and it should stay that way, from a titan and it should be strong, of course bungo naaah f u guys
wow they didn't just nerf this super, they took it too the butcher and turned it into sausages... well guess I'm not going to be playing titan any time soon... :( shame, I liked titan and it was growing on me, and now my favorate super is ruined...
All your video does is show how strong Ward of Dawn still is at holding a point even after heavy nerfs. It was too strong it would counter everything accept Hunter Stasis super and only of they made it in the bubble without dying. Acting like buble wasnt being used in trials the exact same way is a joke. If you didnt have a super a Bubble was all but a garunteed win if there was a capture point that decided a match.
And Sentinel or now the Banner shield is a wonderful counter against bubble and there is one exotic granadelauncher that will kill the titan 100%. Spoiler it is witherhoard
If the bubble was persisting after the creator died I would feel better about these changes. If Well can stay after the warlock dies the bubble should stay after titan dies.
NedBark- But thats the thing, If a bubble stuck around after death people would just gun the bubble down and get rid of it with any means they can before the person that popped it could even get back to the bubble in PVP.... And if the user that popped the bubble actually managed to get back to there bubble after spawning in the bubble would probably almost be useless because all its health would almost be gone to the point where almost anything would destroy it, trust me if people seen bubbles hanging around after death they would be melting those bubbles as fast as possible so the titan that popped it could not use it a second time.
I wish well was a counterable super
@@kurtnordli1381 You can say the same thing about Well. Obviously if there's no one in it you'll just freely destroy it. More often than not there's another team mate in there too. With these nerfs they have to give the Bubble something like that.
Because you have to leave the Bubble to shoot back, it's actually easier to defend a Wells sword. If you can see any edge of a Bubble now (from cover) it's easy to destroy.
u can legit kill a well so fast. yall titan mains have so many broken things and you cry when bungie actually tries to balance the class in the slightest. stfu
@@shotty1673 and how tf do you kill a well before getting shredded. Bubble gives no dr when you walk out and the damage buff is the same as a well minus the protection. If you don’t have a super you just can’t counter a well. A high impact sniper can one shot someone but they just shoot and flinch tou
“Sorry to burst your bubble. I didn’t mean to intrude into your personal space”
Proceeds to casually one tap
Their logic is, "all supers in the game can be put down by any means, with a bit of effort using guns and supers shut them down of course. Why should bubble be only easily countered by supers?" Because Bungie, ward is SOLELY a defensive super. You can shoot out of a well of radiance. You have to step OUT of a bubble to go on the offense. I miss the days of D1 when the Buble was invincible except for super damage.
Players when a defensive super is good in an objective gamemode 😧
@@giantslayer9335 My opinion is that the bubble was fine in all modes except zone trials. You are guaranteed to get your bubble before any super that can counter it and it was a free round win any time there’s a bubble titan on your team. You could even do this for multiple rounds in a row and completely secure the match. It was very unfair in trials. I think it is very unfortunate for all other modes though. I believe changes should’ve been made to zone trials specifically instead of neutering the super as a whole.
@@DonBarrleone yep, this is the correct take. The mode itself has absolutely no redeeming qualities
Well can Also take direct damage. Plus you can still die if you position poorly. Also you can take the buff with you with bubble. Well is not the case.
Wtf Bubble is SUPPOSED to be super strong, it's a PASSIVE super. Nerfing bubble is so dumb, it does zero damage!
No no no more salt edit and retype In all caps ;)
@@c.fyffe0 Haha nah I'm just frustrated, I've always loved bubble and it was nice when it was really a contender. It's ALWAYS been an underdog way to play which made it fun. Ah well 🤷♂️
I think the dude in charge of the balancing department got like 5-0ed by a titan and is just taking his rage out
First, they made bubble worthless in PvE and now they neuter it in PvP too. Weapons of light should still be 35% in PvE.
The pve nerf is sad but thank god about the pvp nerf. It was long over due
Oh now the nefings a problem only after titans get the warlock treatment
@@c.fyffe0 hey to be fair shadebinder has been nerfed many a times and is still really good
@Samuel Thayer I think the bubble itself was less problematic than the bastion barricade spam.
@c fyffe you talking PvE? I thought the PvE nerf was stupid from the get. It made bubble completely irrelevant when you can run well and get the same buff while also being able to fire weapons with constant healing
RIP bubble Titan and a big Fukyou to Bungie.
It should've been a minigun. Us titans have been robbed of a creative super
The bubble is just a glorified barricade at this point.
Poor bubble...mean while well is still op and better lol
Depends on the play mode I think that bubble will be still good in trials zone control. because you saw in the video that they need six person shooting the bubble down in like 15 sec. So when only 3 persons are on the enemies team they need the full 30 sec.
bubble definitly needed a nerf but this feels like overkill from a design team that clearly looks down on titans shitting on the their hunters
The light attack isnt meant to be a weaker attack. I guess they only called it light because it is intended for a single target.
The only defensive option is dog water. What a surprise
Always enjoy your content especially your sense of humor. Got to keep it real and disgusting😂
Titans got overnerfed
The light atk on the hunter super hits 2 time on the initial pass through and again when it come back idk how bugged it is but 2 quick atks might still be enough after the fix
To be fair, hunter super damage is currently bugged. So on paper it shouldn’t straight one shot you inside your bubble
"LOOK HOW THEY BUTCHERED MY BOI"
Excellent editing.
Could you suspend a Thundercrash coming your way?
Yea yea seems about right. I wonder what else is in store for Titans. What’s the next thing gonna be nerfed? They basically butchered every class super and exotic. Maybe they’ll nerf the the armor next.
One can only hope
@@c.fyffe0found the invis hunter
The already started with nerfing Heart of inner most light.
@@georgeworshington4120 found kid from the back of special ed
@@georgeworshington4120 lmfao you have 120 comments crying over titan holy shit dude 🤣🤣🤣
Hmmm that teamshot bit wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It still takes quite a beating from just hammering it... That genuinely feels like a healthy level of beating to take. It's not pointless to attack it, but the entire teams just gotta go all in on hammering it and it will actually break sometime this year.
Also the berserker seems like a dueling super kinda? I think the best way to counter a roaming super might be light, heavy, light. Because two heavy's just has you flying out of the way. But one swipe even after a light isn't enough for a kill. But if you finish up with a light attack after you dash through them, you can just finish them off with a ranged projectile/ bind them if you still didn't kill them. I wonder how the arc staff hunter handles suspend though... Can they even deflect the binding? and even if you did somehow manage to bind them, would they be able to just hold deflect after and make it moot? Strand subclasses feel like they have more nuance to them then most of the other classes and are weirdly... kinda the most balanced? Like apart from hunter supers "light" attack they feel strong but reasonable. Suspend isn't painful as it makes them an easier target, but they can still fight back.
hunter strand whip isnt bugged. its a pres hit also just tested this today and still works... do no suspend the targets in the bubble to whip or use other attack. better to try to destroy the bubble with whip which leaves you roughly 10-15% super left
Aggressive snipers with under-over will one-shot you to the head in bubble because it does 570 on a crit, there are 2 snipers that can roll this, albruna D (gambit) and bite of the fox (iron banner).
Is it too niche to realistically use? Yes. Do i care? No.
Wait can you reflex the suspended ability on titan using titan shield or arc staff
On the hunter strand super does it hit going forward and coming back? I'm wondering if that's what's causing the huge damage spikes on that super
i think i noticed it doing multiple damage ticks per light attack when i was using it so it might
They are nerfing titans bad In general already switched to warlock cause titan has one or two good exotics to their name
Titan has a lot of good exotics, they just keep needing shit that doesn’t need nerfed. Meanwhile I get one hit meleed by striker titan every other engagement and apparently bungie thinks that’s fine
@@georgeworshington4120 all classes have terrible exotics but titans have few that actually support unique play styles.
Just think how cool severance enclosure would be if it worked with the 3.0 stuff. Or strong holds working with glaves.
I can only speak as a titan main so I don't fully understand how bad the issue is for other classes
So should I even use bubble anymore
Pvp yes pve probably not
Can we get a arc Hunter vs strand hunter test
Thanks Sheik! 👍 Would have been nice to se you guys actually go one on one and try to take each other out with different supers. 😁
Can you test a ward titan teaming up with a warlock rift?
What is this shotty Sheik?
Where's the all supers vs Bubble?
I thought the rope dart throw was the heavy atk
What they should do is remove Well of Radiance's damage buff and let ward keep the damage.
For how shit the titan strand melee is it recharges painfully slow and starting a match with a single charge is pretty terrible, it takes half the match of no melees to get all 3 charges
PVP Nerf was well overdue
I don’t wanna be that guy but that’s a skill issue. There’s like a million ways to counter a bubble without a super
Bubble testing, fook yeah 😎😎😎
"Season Of The Titan Nerfs"
Try with saints 14
Bubble testing with the big perra himself.
Another titan nerf, yet hunters continue to get stronger!
destiny is destiny
Don’t get why they can’t make you shoot through the bubble like in d1 but it just has a lil worse damage buff than well. After all that was titans utility in endgame
Wtf are you smoking. You could never shoot through the bubble.
I love titans and would love if they got some love but shooting out of a bubble. Nah man that's just silly.
I do agree it needs changes as it's literally just a worse version of well In the vast majority of content.
Damn this felt like bullying...
Nerfed for a terrible mode pepehands
the nerf made me stop playing my main, void titan, and go to hunter....
Been a titan main since my friend told me to try them immediately after I beat d1 campaign. Its been my main class since but its getting harder to remain one.
Ward of Dawn should be turn into a barracade wall with guns 😁
@OTFmax still more creative than your insult
@OTFmax then say it like that and offer an alternative instead of swatting down op's idea
@@ThumosTheUnbrokenthat was a dumb idea though. They should’ve just left bubble as it was, it was already worse than well and only really countered dawnblade, sentinel and maybe nova warp
@@georgeworshington4120 did you not just read this whole reply section
Damn…… what happened again I don’t remember…. Anybody remember what happened?
All the people in this comment section bitching that bubble needed a nerf never actually stopped to think about how they could counter it. If they did they would’ve realized that it’s just not as “op” as they think it is/was
Still waiting on star fire protocol/well of radiance nerf
Gonna be a sad day for warlocks
Just as long as they do not touch necrotics then I'll be just fine
Dude your channel is great but I cannot allow the Iron Banner Fortress slander to stand. That new mode was fun as all hell.
Sentinel shield poops on Hunter and Titan strand super, blocking loses no energy to the supers and suspend only works for a split second, you can decide when to drop your shield and double melee to kill
Hmm idk, I think they should give ward another nerf we can't have it outshine Well
It stopped out shining well when they made bubble give the same damage buff as well.
Now that I think about it. Definitely nerf it again
Watch Bungie buff Bubble to what it was again next season then nerf it the season after that 🤣🤣
Berserker is straight garbage in PvP
Oh no, the maximum passivity super finally got a nerf…
Note that a nerf doesn’t mean something is suddenly not good.
In this particular case, it went from impenetrable to able to be more readily countered… like any other super.
Don’t pretend like you haven’t been infuriated by a bubble that you could do literally nothing about because you didn’t have your own super (although that’s no guarantee) or the exact kit to counter it.
Personally I'm more annoyed how no other Titan super got buffed. Bubble is still the best choice. They need to give a reason to use other Titan supers other then Bubble.
Content creators are not creative enough to come up with game modes that can’t be exploited by something as common as a Titan bubble. So instead of making the zone move across the map as we try to capture it. (Making the bubble far less effective) Let’s just nerf it.
I actually enjoyed some of the bubble wars during IB. What drives me crazy is that I have never thought the bubble to be OP. Can’t shoot out of it and there are many supers that are able to take care of it.
OP is having one of the fastest cool downs of a Super the can make an ice tornado that with track down enemies AND also get a couple ice lances to kill/freeze a couple guardians at the same time. 🤷🏻♂️
Another reason destiny going down the shitter. I use to love this game. Now I hate it.
i dont see an issue with this, bubble needed to be nerfed well should be next, its honestly nice knowing that a bubble on a capture zone wont just be a free win anymore i really hope they hit well next and hopefully soon.
Yeah no. Its a purely defensive super. It should take another super to take it down. And you should be severely punished for trying to take on a bubble by yourself.
Bubble did not need a nerf…there are genuinely a couple ways to deal with it already
@@targitausrithux2320 no it 100% needed a nerf the only way to deal with it was another super, or maybe run in a witherhord, the only way to deal with bubble on a point when the whole team is inside of it is super and any other super can be dealth with without a super bubble was the only super that was essentially a free win button because you can just run 2-3 titans and never lose objective.
@@dragonmaster1599 it’s because it’s a defensive super and you knock someone out of bubble and once a titan leaves bubble they can die and and lose bubble so it’s jus stupid at this point
@@tjthetitan4841 still one of the strongest supers in pvp when it comes to objectives just like well, and with the new trials changes its gonna get nerfed again since they want to make it capture elimination, every other super can be dealt with in some way without another super unless its capture because you dont have enough time, imo bubbles and wells should also just vanish if placed on top of an objective so its not just a free win button.
I knew when they announced these nerfs that they fucking destroyed it. Im so sick of bungie nerfing things into the ground or not touching them at all. There was no reason for half the nerfs it got. I can understand the extra health inside the bubble. But my god you should NOT be able to take down a bubble with primary fire.
Aww, the same pvp maps since forever how sad
Had to delete this game lol pre ordered dlc for $100 and it honestly felt like a total ripoff when you complete campaign an I'm a Void titan player pve activities and PvP just suck now
Titans can’t get a break. Useless ahh class there is literally no reason to play titan outside of niche builds (only does 1% of warlock damage), and strand (it’s shit compared to both warlock and hunter).
As usually bungo are using their 2 neurons to do these nerfs, they don't use the logic anymore, bubble is a defensive mode and it should stay that way, from a titan and it should be strong, of course bungo naaah f u guys
wow they didn't just nerf this super, they took it too the butcher and turned it into sausages... well guess I'm not going to be playing titan any time soon... :( shame, I liked titan and it was growing on me, and now my favorate super is ruined...
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Bubble deserved the nerf ion care what anyone says
All your video does is show how strong Ward of Dawn still is at holding a point even after heavy nerfs. It was too strong it would counter everything accept Hunter Stasis super and only of they made it in the bubble without dying. Acting like buble wasnt being used in trials the exact same way is a joke. If you didnt have a super a Bubble was all but a garunteed win if there was a capture point that decided a match.
That is dumb, the only supers bubble countered before were dawnblade, sentinel and nova warp and no one uses sentinel or nova warp
And Sentinel or now the Banner shield is a wonderful counter against bubble and there is one exotic granadelauncher that will kill the titan 100%. Spoiler it is witherhoard
Bubble needed to be nerfed.
It also needs a buff in pve
does arcstrider reflect strand titan range attack
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