The forgotten history is that Linux, in the 1990s, needed a decent desktop. One attempt was KDE (the Gnome desktop was launched as a rival due to concerns over Qt's licensing agreement). This had web browsing integrated into the file manager, via KHTML. Apple, wanting a native browser for MacOSX, decided to take KHTML as a starting point. Due to that, they were required to release the source of Safari's rendering engine under the GPL. Google, looking for a starting point for their browser, used WebKit as a starting point, and the rest is internet history.
So true. One additional piece of history that’s forgotten is that the KHTML devs were head over heels when Apple unveiled Safari & WebKit- they claimed Apple had just done for KHTML in months what would have taken them 10 years (much of the initial WebKit release was back-portable to KHTML). In time, it seems KHTML died off and some of the open source contributors have gone on to work on Webkit or Chromium instead, but still… it must be nice to know your small open source project grew wings and took flight and made the modern web possible.
I remember KHTML and QT back in the day. I was truly impressed with how they both actually worked. That sounds terrible but back then it couldn't have been higher praise.
Huh, so even if I'm not running Linux, I'm still running stuff that comes from the Linux world. There's some sort of quip about coming around in a circle or something like that in here somewhere...
@Fashinqu A. The plan was never to completely replace Gecko with Servo. Servo was used as a research project. They developed components in it which could be tested and then backported to Gecko which they did. The major things they shipped were WebRender, which used the GPU much more than before, and Stylo, which set all the CSS properties in the DOM using a much more multithreaded approach. They also used Servo as a real project to see how Rust, the programming language initially developed by Mozilla, works in an actual project instead of limited scenarios.
Been a Firefox user for the past few years (after using Chrome for almost a decade), making the switch was so smooth and simple and I couldn't be happier.
In my opinion Firefox's problem is in media such as this video, nobody gives it enough time and recognition lately, chrome, edge or safari comes preinstalled on such popular systems in comparison to firefox which comes only with some linux distros, its the best browser hands down, has great dev tools, company itself is privacy focused and used to have the biggest addons marketplace, sadly this has changed since lots of developers jumped to the chromium train. I hope it will become no 1 browser, cuz it deserves it
as i said in another reply firefox needs to first do things like support all web standards that others do (such as webMIDI and web apps as well as system intergration) otherwise it will always lag behind especially when it comes to things like use in applications. its a decent browser but until its at the same level of usefulness as chrome i dont see it taking over
@@Gryphoon yeah, unfortunately it also means that many standards as web apps just don't work on the platform and the Devs are forced to choose what they spend the time to support
That’s why I value Firefox because its going its own way since Netscape days. Monopoly is never good for development and new creative ideas, nor the security.
I also remember reading a story about how an Edge dev mentioned one of the reasons why they moved to chromium was cause Google was breaking stuff their browser did via RUclips updates.
The original Microsoft Edge absolutely sucked when it came to compatibility with Google-owned websites, and I theorized that Google could've been intentionally designing their sites to work poorly on Edge so that users would be motivated to switch to Chrome.
Yep, and sadly Microsoft has to give in since they already struggling to have EdgeHTML gain more developer support and markets hare to back it up. They could've have gone to same Firefox engine, but Chromium is just a stronger and natural choice if they wish to deal less with Google shenanigans, even then sometimes Google sites break but alot less compared to when they use their own engine. Even giants give in from another giant, worse on that there will be huge loss in competition.
Running Mozilla Firefox since 2004. Always liked the user experience better than the rest of the browsers. But it wasn't until I became a web dev that I realized how awesome Firefox actually is.
I think you are talking about the past. Firefox was awesome browser, and had even more than awesome dev tools before Quantum was released in 2018. After that Firefox became slow and clunky, its amazing dev tools stopped working and were eventually replaced by a crappy clone of chrome dev tools (though still better than on chrome)
@@hubertnnn I'm literally writing and testing code 6 days a week in 4 browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, IE [don't ask why]) to achieve maximum compatibility. Everything works better in Firefox - debugging, styles manipulation, virtual DOM inspection for Redux and Angular etc. Hell, I have learned the best practices in JavaScript, HTML and CSS coding thanks to MDN's docs. All the dev tools in Firefox have better fonts, open and close smoothly and understand more units of measurement and keywords than in any other browser. What slowness and clunkiness are you on about? Last, but definitely not least, if it was not for Mozilla foundation and the Firefox community to constantly push the CSS and HTML standards, none of us would have some of the coolest additions to the specifications to work with.
@@hubertnnn Unless you're on a single-core single-thread CPU, Quantum update objectively improved the experience. They used a programming language called Rust which made it much easier to parallelize the work and distribute it to different threads. I am on a dual-core hyperthreaded CPU and my experience is okay. But on quad-core or higher, it's much much better than Chrome.
Write emails to sites that don't support Firefox! As a web developer, I've often been shot down for suggesting firefox compatibility updates. Every company I've worked for. There needs to be more emails. People willing to stand by their browser of choice
As a web developer I agree,not many corporates cares about their sites breaking in Firefox, but atleast wherever projects I worked on I made damn sure that it runs correctly on Firefox like everything else.
Netscape was basically written to copy mosaic because the university of Illinois tried to poach mosaic so the kids made Netscape to keep away from them (it didn't work)
@@J38x729 and now netscape became firefox and now there's a bunch of people who basically worship it. This is why I think mozilla is a pest: their stupid cult is starting to get on my nerves.
@@soniablanche5672 it does feel a little bloated out of the box with features like pocket and the UI isn't the best either. but the thing is with things like custom css stylesheets and just having the ability to disable pocket and such, it ends up feeling better than chromium based browsers to me, on top of that you aren't supporting the chromium monopoly on the web. Also librewolf which is a fork of firefox removes features like pocket to make a much better browsing experience than chromium based browsers or vanilla firefox out of the box.
I used Chrome and Chromium-based browsers for many years, but recently switched to Firefox. I like it, it does what I need, and I think there is some value in slowing Google's dominance of every domain they touch.
LMG: "Everything is Chrome!" Me: "And, that's why I use Firefox" also, I'm seeing a lot of love for the fox in the comments here, glad to know there's a ton of people using it
Hi Guys! I switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago and I noticed something: 4K 60 FPS RUclips videos no longer drop frames like they did when I was using Chrome on the same computer. This, in addition to the things you can do on Firefox that you can't do using Chrome (as well as the enhanced security) are enough to say "Try firefox!" Google can get rekt.
One of the biggest problems with this is that if chromium's security fails, the security of every other browser that's based off it fails as well unless they've specifically applied their own patches
To play devil's advocate: The fact that so many browsers use it and it has been open source for this long means that is has been battle-hardened by being under constant attack from so many independent collaborators, contributors and hackers. I guess only the absolute greatest legendary hacking teams with lots of resources can find hacks at this point. But for such hackers, a new browser would be even easier to find new vulnerabilities in. 😂 So, I guess your best security bet is to either use a browser based on this chrome engine or use a browser so obsure with so few users that no hacker thinks it is worth their time to hack 😂
another thing is that most chromium browsers dont use the latest version of chromium. so who knows they probably alread patched it but forgot to push that update to the main chromium repo
I'm using Firefox to help keep it alive with the dominance of Chrome based browsers floating about. I've been using it since it pretty much came out at version 1.3.
I've been using Firefox since about 2005 or '06. I had a limited budget for upgrades, and thus was still on my old no-brand Win98 PC then. Internet Explorer 6 was crashing about every third browser window I opened (and I had to open new windows since IE didn't have tabs yet). And antivirus programs' minimum system requirements were starting to leave my PC behind. So I installed Firefox and the NoScript extension, and never looked back.
Two things: 1. Anthony is the best. 2. I've used Chrome in the past, then switched to edge because I liked the new design, and now I'm using Firefox and I love this browser. Not gonna switch anytime soon.
Team Anthony! And yes, I oscillate between FF and Chrome depending on the season (well, depending on who's performing better) just like with Mac and PC.
I've always preferred Firefox over most other browsers. It has it's issues, but I trust it to be a quality software in the end. Even if Chrome had some feature that was enticing, I wouldn't switch. I don't trust Google not to add telemetry collection code into the browser.
firefox eats RAM and now I can't even get it to load certain webpages. It's quickly becoming as dated and useless as edge in my opinion. I use opera because chrome is too much of a RAM hog while I'm gaming and with opera, I can have many tabs open on my second monitor no problem. They may both be chromium based, but opera definately beats chrome by a mile and a half in the lightweight department.
The sheer customizability of Firefox is unmatched by any other browser I've ever used. Chrome doesn't even let me choose where each extension's icon is placed on the toolbar!
I hate Chrome and Google's monopoly, I choose to use Firefox and TOR just for the reason that it's not based on Chromium. We need to start using more open-source browsers that also respect our privacy, such as......... Firefox.
even then, firefox is starting to go the way of chrome. you seen the stuff theyve been putting in lately? more and more privacy invasive stuff. unfortunately nothing comes close to firefox in terms of usability. and even despite its issues as of late, its still the best in terms of privacy + usability. for purely privacy stuff, there is stuff like waterfox or palemoon.
@@shanek.6293 It's just sponsored links, and it's nothing that you can't turn off. Brave is another great privacy browser, but it's based on Chromium, and like said, I like to stay away from Chromium browsers.
@@Tyroie For one, a LOT of telemetry. Not even stuff you can turn off in the main settings menu, you gotta go into about:config for a lot of it. Not to mention a lot of what you *can* turn off doesn't actually turn it off. It just disables it from your view, all the while still collecting data and delivering it back to Mozilla.
I use Firefox since forever, at least since Windows 2000 I guess. Chromium and Chrome are just there to check if websites run on them in the same way as on Firefox. 😀
And this is why people need to start using and spreading Firefox, who actually trusts Google won't abuse their position if they ever get 100% market share?
Not so well versed about this, but why does Google's actions affect other browsers? If Google messes up Chromium, can't the other web browsers based on it just create a fork an continue on without the mess up?
Which is kinda... dull. Like Chromium is Open Source and that means everybody and their grandmother can modify the code to make their browser exactly the way they want it to be. So there really is no reason to get all paranoid about everything Chromium just because it has the name "Google" on it - and that is coming from a guy that currently has 6 different privacy extensions installed.
@@Finkelfunk The problem is Google has been abusing its power and market share to steer the direction of Chromium development to its benefit. As a result, a lot of the web services would only make sure it works with no problems on Chromium based web browsers and even use Chromium specific APIs. Subsequently, users would have to move to Chromium based browsers to those services. Ideally, all web browsers should follow the same standards and API design to ensure compatibility, but our reality is getting further away from that as we speak.
@@xia yeah, like making cookies obsolete by 2023 and introducing their own replacement called FLoC. Vivaldi has already stated firmly that they won't support FLoC, so it'll be interesting to see how that'll affect chromium based browsers.
I was there when Firefox has rissen against Internet Explorer. I should still have my certificate for my contribution to the "1 million downloads in 1 day world record" from the release for FireFox 7? (or so ) soewhere. Man time has gone by. This must be in 2007 or so.
I use Firefox. Been using it since the 2000s. I've tried many other browsers but always came back to Firefox. Mainly because Chrome and Chromium based browsers seem to slow my laptop down.
I've used Firefox since before it was Firefox and even though it has had some troubles from time to time, I have never had a compelling reason to move away from it. Now and then I'll try something else just to keep up with what else is going on, and still I stay with Firefox. The world sorely needs alternatives to Google, Apple, and Microsoft.
Some years ago many websites used "broken" html and extensions cause of how Microsoft internet Explorer worked, leading to pages that rendered incorrect or didn't work at all in browsers that actually worked correctly. Nowadays it is the other way around, with google actively trying to change all web-standards to conform to their ideas - part of that to hinder development and force everybody to use google and google-based products. Things like intentionally slowing down non-chromium based browsers (yep, google did that with RUclips), or adding APIs that allows the website to know what you are doing (where you are looking etc), while making it harder and harder for user to get good extensions (removing/blocking add-blockers).
Google controls the Chromium Code. They use that power to make AdBlocker Addons less potent (by restricting the Addon API), because it suits their business interests. Boost Firefox however you can to avoid a future where ads can no longer be blocked. It’s baffling how this video doesn’t mention this conflict of interest between engine developer (which should have the browser user’s best interest in mind) AND the Ad service Google.
ahh, but google isn't the engine builder remember, that engine what you call, is blink, which is webkit witch apple builds, google only builds the car around blink and then the rest of the garage and house that is, to stretch the analogy, of chromium/chrome. so really, apple and firefox are the real heroes
@@DaveFlash Blink started out as a fork of Webkit, but is now very independent of the original code. Blink, like Chromium and Chrome is under complete Google control.
@@DaveFlash Not really. Blink has always been Google-controlled, but was originally based on Webkit. I'd say modern Webkit and modern Blink have diverged quite a bit since then. And if you're looking for heroes, Apple didn't invent Webkit. Webkit was originally based on KHTML, written by the KDE team. KDE is a linux desktop environment. KHTML was the rendering engine for KDE's Konqueror browser. It's a pretty amazing story.
*Squidward:* What's going on? Why is everything... Chrome? *SpongeTron:* Everything is Chrome in the future! (This also applies to textures in ray tracing games)
I now see visions of chrome pores reflecting chrome body hair, and you zoom out and everything's just a rainbow of reflection. can't actually make anything out.
@@perpetualcollapse Not quite. It's just that reflective surfaces are the easiest way to show it off. It will help with more natural lighting from in-universe sources, multiple shadows of the same object from said sources and transparency.
I still prefer firefox, hopefully they will live on for many years to come. I'm quite interested to try the duckduckgo browser even though it's basically chromium too.
I like Firefox. It has more privacy features, and Google is heavily invested in tracking you. I realize the level of tracking on me is already massive, but being able to limit prying eyes even a little makes me happier.
Dude, this. That time about 15 years ago where so many websites only worked on IE and not others is slowly coming back. But without the sort of obvious web standards to send emails to the webmaster about. I got pretty good at HTML and CSS just because I refused to use IE for a few sites I needed and would go and fix issues to make things render as per the standards. Often that meant just resetting margins and padding.
Me: happy Firefox user If I could afford Apple's hardware, I would happily use Safari, back in the days I used to be able to afford that stuff (cause it wasn't as expensive in my country), I used to absolutely love Safari
@@turbografx.16 Kinda iffy to buy used Macs as Apple is switching to ARM for their operating system and software developers will be moving their MacOS focus on Apple Silicon development. M1 Mac mini is my recommendation for support, software, and price.
Firefox has become so much better since the Quantum project and the recent UI overhaul, no comparison to the time when Chrome/Chromium were new and took over.
Chromium was originally based on Webkit, which was originally based on the web browser in KDE, which was open source because Linux. Honestly, it’s a huge success story of open source, because even though it’s dominated by Google, they can’t control it fully, and everyone can fork it if they disagree with Google’s direction.
Google has been a net positive in OSS for the Web in many ways. Its like how having basically inexhaustible budgets at Bell Labs gave us UNIX, basically starting off high level OSes and many other things despite that being most noticeable (and also the C programming language).
"A web browser should just stay out of the way" - tell that to Chrome. I avoid Chrome because I hate how it liked to hog resources when I'm barely using it, although lately Firefox is getting nearly as bad (possibly a Linux issue though).
@@fakeninja4447 how IMO Firefox is much better, i remember using chrome not just eat to much resources and take a time to open even for NVME. maybe firefox doesn't have google sync like chrome but it's faster and simpler i think
I think it's the websites that are way too bloated now. Have you ever realize how your screen actually is smaller? 1/2 of it are for ads or just a huge "WE USE COOKIES" bar.
I've used Firefox for years until I switched to Chrome, which at a time was working better than FF. Recently I've switched back to Firefox simply because it got better, and now it has better privacy features than Chrome. Sure, FF lacks some built-in features which Chrome has from the box, but it's a minor issue compared to other FF benefits. On top of that, I am a sucked for good-looking GUI and I have my own nice Dark Theme on FF which looks way better than w/e Chrome offers :D
Same for me but instead of lacking features i found that chrome lacked features. FF had some features before chrome and the FF account is so well made. On mobile extensions work too so i use adblocker on my phone too :D.
I use Brave because I like the browser itself better. I use it in part because it's based on chromium because that allows me to use the google store to download chrome extensions.
Gaming chairs are a waste of money. They ruined my back and I'm using a much cheaper office chair with SO MUCH BETTER support for my lower back and it's way more comfortable. Im sure not all of them are, that's just my experience*
@@shalevhaham That's exactly what i heard from friends and a youtuber, that's why i would love to get the ltt opinion with real life tests, to see if these chairs are really worth it
gaming chairs are a scam. You pay over $300 for one you think is good quality and it ends up having probelms in less then a year. Then you spend the same amount on an actual known brand office chair and not only does it last much much longer but it's also way more comfortable. Hell honestly most things marketed as "Gaming" are scams. They just take cheap shit and bling it out making it look like it's higher quality then it is just so they can mark up the price.
I still remember when Google Chrome first hit the internet. Very few sites accepted it. Many would only work on Firefox or Internet Explorer. It was a pain to wait for Explorer to load. But later on it was a great pain to keep Chrome up and running at the cost of RAM. Now, Edge itself is based of Chromium.
I mean, he didn't really mention Brave at all, and the title claims "everything" is. And they state that Firefox (and to a lesser extent Safari) are the only non-chromium browsers
You're a contra-contrarian. Going against the mainstream by using Linux, while also going against the Linux community by using a Microsoft browser that no one else seems to like.
I have also been a happy Firefox User for decades. i just hope Firefox can gain more market share vs chromium in todays market, we need the competition.
For a Mac i always advise Safari because: Better for your battery life It’s faster then chrome Better for your privacy Build in 2fa generator Syncs better with your other apple devices Supports Apple Pay on websites Has a good reader mode
Waterfox is hands down the best browser. Firefox with the customization options that USED to exist in Firefox. AND it's not based on Chrome or Chromium.
For a Mac user, if you don’t need Chrome’s extensions, you’re better off sticking to Safari. It’s both faster and more battery and resource efficient. It’s just not very feature packed
I really hope Mozilla pulls through, I've been a firefox user for over a decade, and it used to be pretty great, but since Edge went chromium things have been getting harder and harder on the venerable old fox. Aside from creaking old government websites that required IE6, firefox used to run everything for me with maximum compatibility, but now I find myself switching to chrome daily because some asshole company doesn't optimize it's webapp performance on firefox.
@Erika Nakagawa Gaming Let's start with... Microsoft Teams-it doesn't work on Firefox. Not that any sane adult would like to use that steaming pile of garbage but some of the companies I have to interact with on a daily basis just insist on it for whatever reason...
I kinda flip back and forth between Edge and Firefox. Edge, at this point, is pretty much a better version of Chrome that is more secure, doesn't eat up nearly as much RAM, and doesn't send my laptop temperatures through the roof. Also, it never crashes for me. Firefox is a nice break from Edge with a few more features I like, but Edge is compatible with a few things Firefox isn't. Honestly either is fine for me.
Why not keep both? I use firefox mainly for the sync between my devices but vivaldi/ungoogled chromium(vivaldi on laptop, chromium on desktop) for sites that have issues with anything except chrome. I mean you can always use edge I'm just an internet stranger haha
Been a Firefox user since I quit using Netscape. Only thing I wish FF had that chrome has and only reason I occasionally use it is being able cast to my chromecast that is built into my TV.
I'm using firefox. It's been my favourite browser forever. The only problem is that I'm experiencing micro stuttering when streaming videos from youtube or twitch. Disabling hardware acceleration helps but certainly makes the rest of my browser stutter. That's why I'm using Edge for youtube and twitch. I mean I can't even uninstall it on Windows 10 so I might as well just use it XD
I had a similar issue - audio kept playing while the video stuttered. Might want to check your graphics driver? I have an old GTX 1060 and for whatever reason switching from the Game Ready to the Studio driver fixed it.
I do a similar thing. I use firefox as my main browser and then I use ungoogled chromium as a backup browser for the very rare web page that isn't well optimized for firefox but that hasn't happened in a while. Anthony wasn't entirely correct in saying that chromium doesn't connect to google services in such in the video, it still does, just less so than chrome and since it is open source it means that projects like ungoogled chromium and brave can strip it out.
I like the fact that browsers have become like Linux distributions: there are many different ones, they all do the same thing, and people fight over which one is better with hollow arguments.
EdgeHTML wasn't made completely from scratch thought. It was based on Internet Explorer's rendering engine (Trident) but they threw away all the legacy stuff
Many ppl: "Chrome tabs eat too much RAM" Me: "How is Chrome to blame for your lack of self-control and order that results in you opening 100+ tabs for absolutely no reason ?"
Firefox has the superior engine right now, also an architecture that is inherently more secure with version 95 and upcoming 96. Chrome is starting to run into the same problem that Firefox had before they released their new engines, it's getting too bloated. So it's time for the pendulum to swing back to Firefox.
I personally went from firefox to chrome and now to edge, edge seems to be the fastest in my opinion from the research i've done. And i have had nothing to complain about after months of use. I decided to try it after i did a PC reformat and i haven't had a need to install another browser once yet. The research I done months ago was showing firefox on bottom of the list in terms of both speed and compatibility with the latest web features. Oh and one last thing, edge is the only browser that can play netflix videos in HD, chrome and firefox can't, i believe it's 720p on those, but 1080p on edge or higher if you have the CPU to support is.
When I scroll webpages in edge, the fans in my laptop start kicking up. Very unusual behaviour, but also the animations look smoother and nicer and less choppy compared to chrome. I noticed the GPU usage increasing when there is animation inside edge and even when opening edge browser. Looks like gpu acceleration is being utilized frequently.
“everything is chrome in the future” has gone from a silly pun about the excessive but lovable y2k aesthetics to an active threat fulfilled every waking moment of life on earth
@@timmyanimations8321 originally because it was far superior to anything else that was available at the time. And now because screw google and their monopoly.
Religiously used firefox for years here! I do not like Chrome dominance and I hope many more shift to it when they realise we need this innovation using their own engine!
I'm in the Firefox gang for more like 18 years. I tried Chrome quite a few times and I can't understand why it's so popular. I dislike pretty much everything about it.
"It's much easier instead to use Chromium as a base" This is what killed Opera for me, back in 2013 when they dropped their own engine. Before EdgeHTML, it was Presto that was the first victim.
Agreed. I used Opera in the 2000s, but i switched to FF after they dropped their engine. Then i also switched away from Firefox to Safari, since they just can't stop f**king up the UI. Even Apple reverted its Safari UI changes after backslash, but Mozilla remains stubborn as hell with their "improvements".
Anthony, I love to hear you speak. You have an exceptionally smooth voice that is easy to listen to. Of course, I always learn a lot, but you have an exceptional voice. Keep up the good word/work! (I bet you can sing too!)
Old Edge is even harder to find than IE nowadays. You can still get Internet Explorer on new versions of Windows 10, but it's a Scooby Doo mystery on how to get old edge. Edge was always my favorite for old PC remote work, so I definitely agree though. The next lowest in resources has been Firefox in my experience
edge allowed my old 10 year old laptop to run 1080p video for some reason. it was very laggy, but smooth as in an UWP app, it felt without stutters, just laggy
Microsoft spent many years breaking web standards and interoperability for no reason other than because they could. Coding a site to work in Internet Explorer + anything else was a frustrating exercise in frustration, often requiring IE-specific hacks. More than once, these IE hacks were also highly IE version specific. This was true for the HTML, the CSS, and the JavaScript. Some site operators (webmasters) would actively block “your (not IE) browser is not compatible. /end) all but their supported versions of IE, just to not have to deal with the complaints and support.
Still rocking Firefox as my primary browser. It just still is way way much more better than chromium based browser.. i have also opera/chrome/edge installed but rarely have any need for them, mostly for development. Edit: I must admit there was a time in FF development where every release was a buggy pos but thank god that is not the case anymore.
It's less about making a rendering engine being "too hard" and more about the fact that a significant percentage of web pages are coded in ways that work in Chrome because that was the preferred browser for devs who chose not to try and support every browser under the sun. Even if a browser is coded perfectly to follow the standardized specifications of HTML/CSS/JS, web pages that violate those standards that work in Chrome need to work in your browser too if you want to compete because, to the end user, it's your browser that's broken if it doesn't.
Could we get a Techquickie on Log4J and the vulnerability that has come out? I think we should know more about what is such a huge behind the scenes part of the internet.
The forgotten history is that Linux, in the 1990s, needed a decent desktop. One attempt was KDE (the Gnome desktop was launched as a rival due to concerns over Qt's licensing agreement). This had web browsing integrated into the file manager, via KHTML. Apple, wanting a native browser for MacOSX, decided to take KHTML as a starting point. Due to that, they were required to release the source of Safari's rendering engine under the GPL. Google, looking for a starting point for their browser, used WebKit as a starting point, and the rest is internet history.
So true. One additional piece of history that’s forgotten is that the KHTML devs were head over heels when Apple unveiled Safari & WebKit- they claimed Apple had just done for KHTML in months what would have taken them 10 years (much of the initial WebKit release was back-portable to KHTML). In time, it seems KHTML died off and some of the open source contributors have gone on to work on Webkit or Chromium instead, but still… it must be nice to know your small open source project grew wings and took flight and made the modern web possible.
I remember KHTML and QT back in the day. I was truly impressed with how they both actually worked. That sounds terrible but back then it couldn't have been higher praise.
@@CapnSlipp Imagine being able to put "made modern webbrowsing possible" into your resume while not even lying.
Wouldn't that mean Chromium should be GPL?
Huh, so even if I'm not running Linux, I'm still running stuff that comes from the Linux world. There's some sort of quip about coming around in a circle or something like that in here somewhere...
Firefox engine is not called quantum it’s called gecko - Firefox quantum was an update that completely overhauled gecko to match chromium’s speed
@Fashinqu A. The plan was never to completely replace Gecko with Servo. Servo was used as a research project. They developed components in it which could be tested and then backported to Gecko which they did. The major things they shipped were WebRender, which used the GPU much more than before, and Stylo, which set all the CSS properties in the DOM using a much more multithreaded approach.
They also used Servo as a real project to see how Rust, the programming language initially developed by Mozilla, works in an actual project instead of limited scenarios.
I thought it was called gecko...
I love Firefox but the new Proton design isn't my favourite.
@Fashinqu A. that's a myth. They didn't fire all Rust developers. They have a decent codebase written in Rust. they fired all devs *working* on Rust.
its still slower tho
@Cyber Tea I work with Selenium a bit, and the Firefox WebDriver is still called Gecko...is that just a legacy thing?
Been a Firefox user for the past few years (after using Chrome for almost a decade), making the switch was so smooth and simple and I couldn't be happier.
same here, firefox is great
Firefox has been consistently just as good for years. In some aspects it's even better. But for some reason it fails to attract people.
@Woz Berry can be exported to FF
@Woz Berry I'm pretty sure you can export them and load them in other browsers at least that's how I did it when I switched to brave
Firefox works like shit on laptops without dedicated GPU so, you know, all ultrabooks.
In my opinion Firefox's problem is in media such as this video, nobody gives it enough time and recognition lately, chrome, edge or safari comes preinstalled on such popular systems in comparison to firefox which comes only with some linux distros, its the best browser hands down, has great dev tools, company itself is privacy focused and used to have the biggest addons marketplace, sadly this has changed since lots of developers jumped to the chromium train. I hope it will become no 1 browser, cuz it deserves it
Definitely
as i said in another reply firefox needs to first do things like support all web standards that others do (such as webMIDI and web apps as well as system intergration) otherwise it will always lag behind especially when it comes to things like use in applications. its a decent browser but until its at the same level of usefulness as chrome i dont see it taking over
@@Gryphoon yeah, unfortunately it also means that many standards as web apps just don't work on the platform and the Devs are forced to choose what they spend the time to support
My copy of Firefox came pre installed with the computer, funnily enough
That’s why I value Firefox because its going its own way since Netscape days.
Monopoly is never good for development and new creative ideas, nor the security.
I also remember reading a story about how an Edge dev mentioned one of the reasons why they moved to chromium was cause Google was breaking stuff their browser did via RUclips updates.
The original Microsoft Edge absolutely sucked when it came to compatibility with Google-owned websites, and I theorized that Google could've been intentionally designing their sites to work poorly on Edge so that users would be motivated to switch to Chrome.
just like when they break Windows Phone smh
Yep, and sadly Microsoft has to give in since they already struggling to have EdgeHTML gain more developer support and markets hare to back it up. They could've have gone to same Firefox engine, but Chromium is just a stronger and natural choice if they wish to deal less with Google shenanigans, even then sometimes Google sites break but alot less compared to when they use their own engine. Even giants give in from another giant, worse on that there will be huge loss in competition.
@@kornkernel2232 Chromes html was faster anyways so I see this as a total win.
While this might be true, edges engine was crappy and insecure and never competitive anyways.
Running Mozilla Firefox since 2004. Always liked the user experience better than the rest of the browsers. But it wasn't until I became a web dev that I realized how awesome Firefox actually is.
Tell me more about your experience with firefox over chrome? What notable features as a developer did you like more?
I think you are talking about the past.
Firefox was awesome browser, and had even more than awesome dev tools before Quantum was released in 2018.
After that Firefox became slow and clunky, its amazing dev tools stopped working and were eventually replaced
by a crappy clone of chrome dev tools (though still better than on chrome)
@@hubertnnn I'm literally writing and testing code 6 days a week in 4 browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, IE [don't ask why]) to achieve maximum compatibility. Everything works better in Firefox - debugging, styles manipulation, virtual DOM inspection for Redux and Angular etc. Hell, I have learned the best practices in JavaScript, HTML and CSS coding thanks to MDN's docs. All the dev tools in Firefox have better fonts, open and close smoothly and understand more units of measurement and keywords than in any other browser. What slowness and clunkiness are you on about?
Last, but definitely not least, if it was not for Mozilla foundation and the Firefox community to constantly push the CSS and HTML standards, none of us would have some of the coolest additions to the specifications to work with.
Netscape Navigator was the reason I always preferred Firefox after all these years.
@@hubertnnn Unless you're on a single-core single-thread CPU, Quantum update objectively improved the experience. They used a programming language called Rust which made it much easier to parallelize the work and distribute it to different threads.
I am on a dual-core hyperthreaded CPU and my experience is okay. But on quad-core or higher, it's much much better than Chrome.
Write emails to sites that don't support Firefox!
As a web developer, I've often been shot down for suggesting firefox compatibility updates. Every company I've worked for.
There needs to be more emails. People willing to stand by their browser of choice
As a web developer I agree,not many corporates cares about their sites breaking in Firefox, but atleast wherever projects I worked on I made damn sure that it runs correctly on Firefox like everything else.
cool
Firefox has gotten so much better lately. Have not missed Chrome from switching
It has never been bad, but the performance gap between Chrome and FF has become significantly bigger indeed.
I've been using Firefox as my main browser for the last 15 years, never felt the need to change.
Throwback reference: It's like how both the original Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator were based on Mosaic.
yeah... btw i use edge
what?
Netscape was basically written to copy mosaic because the university of Illinois tried to poach mosaic so the kids made Netscape to keep away from them (it didn't work)
Did you take your Aleve today?
@@J38x729 and now netscape became firefox and now there's a bunch of people who basically worship it. This is why I think mozilla is a pest: their stupid cult is starting to get on my nerves.
Firefox is the only hero. They invented a coolest new language to tackle browsers and now innovate with it
Firefox is garbage
@@soniablanche5672 it does feel a little bloated out of the box with features like pocket and the UI isn't the best either. but the thing is with things like custom css stylesheets and just having the ability to disable pocket and such, it ends up feeling better than chromium based browsers to me, on top of that you aren't supporting the chromium monopoly on the web. Also librewolf which is a fork of firefox removes features like pocket to make a much better browsing experience than chromium based browsers or vanilla firefox out of the box.
@@soniablanche5672 Nah Firefox is best
@@katiedorsey2910 What's the issue with Pocket? Just remove it from the toolbar and forget about it?
They also support censorship.
I used Chrome and Chromium-based browsers for many years, but recently switched to Firefox. I like it, it does what I need, and I think there is some value in slowing Google's dominance of every domain they touch.
LMG: "Everything is Chrome!"
Me: "And, that's why I use Firefox"
also, I'm seeing a lot of love for the fox in the comments here, glad to know there's a ton of people using it
Hi Guys! I switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago and I noticed something: 4K 60 FPS RUclips videos no longer drop frames like they did when I was using Chrome on the same computer. This, in addition to the things you can do on Firefox that you can't do using Chrome (as well as the enhanced security) are enough to say "Try firefox!" Google can get rekt.
One of the biggest problems with this is that if chromium's security fails, the security of every other browser that's based off it fails as well unless they've specifically applied their own patches
To play devil's advocate: The fact that so many browsers use it and it has been open source for this long means that is has been battle-hardened by being under constant attack from so many independent collaborators, contributors and hackers. I guess only the absolute greatest legendary hacking teams with lots of resources can find hacks at this point. But for such hackers, a new browser would be even easier to find new vulnerabilities in.
😂 So, I guess your best security bet is to either use a browser based on this chrome engine or use a browser so obsure with so few users that no hacker thinks it is worth their time to hack 😂
another thing is that most chromium browsers dont use the latest version of chromium. so who knows they probably alread patched it but forgot to push that update to the main chromium repo
Firefox would be like: It's free real estate
@@WaseemYusuf so JVM is battle-hardened too?
@@__Brandon__ That's where code review and version control comes in.
I'm using Firefox to help keep it alive with the dominance of Chrome based browsers floating about. I've been using it since it pretty much came out at version 1.3.
I've been using Firefox since about 2005 or '06. I had a limited budget for upgrades, and thus was still on my old no-brand Win98 PC then. Internet Explorer 6 was crashing about every third browser window I opened (and I had to open new windows since IE didn't have tabs yet). And antivirus programs' minimum system requirements were starting to leave my PC behind. So I installed Firefox and the NoScript extension, and never looked back.
I am a Firefox user since I have memory...
I'm using it on Windows, Linux and Android. The Android version is very underrated, especially after adding the Ublock Origin extension.
Firefox is better. Chrome goes heavy on the RAM for some reasons!
A true rebel
Two things:
1. Anthony is the best.
2. I've used Chrome in the past, then switched to edge because I liked the new design, and now I'm using Firefox and I love this browser. Not gonna switch anytime soon.
We need more people like you in the tech world.
@@MusicToTheEars141 thanks dude!
FF either needs to fuck up super bad or the other browsers need to get super good to get me to switch.
Try brave and opera.. Awesome
Team Anthony! And yes, I oscillate between FF and Chrome depending on the season (well, depending on who's performing better) just like with Mac and PC.
I've always preferred Firefox over most other browsers. It has it's issues, but I trust it to be a quality software in the end. Even if Chrome had some feature that was enticing, I wouldn't switch. I don't trust Google not to add telemetry collection code into the browser.
@UC9_lSg8-_Qn_ng_CGRjNJKA
Good
it's also better memory wise.
Considering it's open-source you don't HAVE to trust, right? Someone would notice if they did that
@@Thornskade Doesn't matter. It is Google. They own like half the internet that everyone use frequently at this point.
firefox eats RAM and now I can't even get it to load certain webpages. It's quickly becoming as dated and useless as edge in my opinion. I use opera because chrome is too much of a RAM hog while I'm gaming and with opera, I can have many tabs open on my second monitor no problem. They may both be chromium based, but opera definately beats chrome by a mile and a half in the lightweight department.
When you are looking at Steam library, you are also looking at Chromium. I learned this when trying to patch it to be a different color scheme.
I learned that while reading update changes
I learned that when I read this comment
@@cynicrocketjump4071 That made me giggle!
@@kevc6115 That made me giggle!
Is steam just an electron or reactjs app then?
I used to love Chrome but switched to Firefox a few months ago. Just love it.
The sheer customizability of Firefox is unmatched by any other browser I've ever used. Chrome doesn't even let me choose where each extension's icon is placed on the toolbar!
@@NadirComoglu Yes, but I can't move them to the left side (near the back/forward buttons).
@@InventorZahran good for u but edge works best in my pc so I use that lol
same
Same :)
I hate Chrome and Google's monopoly, I choose to use Firefox and TOR just for the reason that it's not based on Chromium. We need to start using more open-source browsers that also respect our privacy, such as......... Firefox.
even then, firefox is starting to go the way of chrome. you seen the stuff theyve been putting in lately? more and more privacy invasive stuff. unfortunately nothing comes close to firefox in terms of usability. and even despite its issues as of late, its still the best in terms of privacy + usability. for purely privacy stuff, there is stuff like waterfox or palemoon.
@@shanek.6293 I have no idea! What privacy invasive stuff has Firefox been adding?
@@shanek.6293 It's just sponsored links, and it's nothing that you can't turn off. Brave is another great privacy browser, but it's based on Chromium, and like said, I like to stay away from Chromium browsers.
>Firefox
>Privacy
14 year old technology enthusiast confirmed
@@Tyroie For one, a LOT of telemetry. Not even stuff you can turn off in the main settings menu, you gotta go into about:config for a lot of it. Not to mention a lot of what you *can* turn off doesn't actually turn it off. It just disables it from your view, all the while still collecting data and delivering it back to Mozilla.
Just as we always feared.
Wait it’s all chrome?
Always has been.
This is a start, they're pushing more and more to block adblockers and removing privacy
I use Firefox since forever, at least since Windows 2000 I guess. Chromium and Chrome are just there to check if websites run on them in the same way as on Firefox. 😀
And this is why people need to start using and spreading Firefox, who actually trusts Google won't abuse their position if they ever get 100% market share?
Or Safari.
I'll add that Firefox actually cares about privacy. Literally the opposite of Chrome.
Google is already flexing over the internet. Users should already be aware at this point.
@@danielelewis9303 They do not care that much, but at least, they give you the options for better privacy.
Not so well versed about this, but why does Google's actions affect other browsers? If Google messes up Chromium, can't the other web browsers based on it just create a fork an continue on without the mess up?
Tldr, Firefox is the only viable option if you don't want a Chromium based browser.
Well... And its forks.
And Safari if you're on a Mac.
Which is kinda... dull.
Like Chromium is Open Source and that means everybody and their grandmother can modify the code to make their browser exactly the way they want it to be. So there really is no reason to get all paranoid about everything Chromium just because it has the name "Google" on it - and that is coming from a guy that currently has 6 different privacy extensions installed.
@@Finkelfunk The problem is Google has been abusing its power and market share to steer the direction of Chromium development to its benefit. As a result, a lot of the web services would only make sure it works with no problems on Chromium based web browsers and even use Chromium specific APIs. Subsequently, users would have to move to Chromium based browsers to those services. Ideally, all web browsers should follow the same standards and API design to ensure compatibility, but our reality is getting further away from that as we speak.
@@xia yeah, like making cookies obsolete by 2023 and introducing their own replacement called FLoC. Vivaldi has already stated firmly that they won't support FLoC, so it'll be interesting to see how that'll affect chromium based browsers.
Safari is nice too. I’ve been using it for ages on my Macs and it’s perfect.
I was there when Firefox has rissen against Internet Explorer. I should still have my certificate for my contribution to the "1 million downloads in 1 day world record" from the release for FireFox 7? (or so ) soewhere. Man time has gone by. This must be in 2007 or so.
I use Firefox. Been using it since the 2000s. I've tried many other browsers but always came back to Firefox. Mainly because Chrome and Chromium based browsers seem to slow my laptop down.
I've used Firefox since before it was Firefox and even though it has had some troubles from time to time, I have never had a compelling reason to move away from it. Now and then I'll try something else just to keep up with what else is going on, and still I stay with Firefox. The world sorely needs alternatives to Google, Apple, and Microsoft.
Things are different these days. Chromium based browsers run better than Firefox.
@@ArunG273 Firefox runs just as well for me on everything except Google sites.
@@saddestchord7622 still slower than chrome on any javascript heavy websites.
@@ArunG273 Not enough to matter to me.
Some years ago many websites used "broken" html and extensions cause of how Microsoft internet Explorer worked, leading to pages that rendered incorrect or didn't work at all in browsers that actually worked correctly.
Nowadays it is the other way around, with google actively trying to change all web-standards to conform to their ideas - part of that to hinder development and force everybody to use google and google-based products.
Things like intentionally slowing down non-chromium based browsers (yep, google did that with RUclips), or adding APIs that allows the website to know what you are doing (where you are looking etc), while making it harder and harder for user to get good extensions (removing/blocking add-blockers).
Thanks to HTML5
Chromium is open source code, Google has no say in it.
Google controls the Chromium Code. They use that power to make AdBlocker Addons less potent (by restricting the Addon API), because it suits their business interests. Boost Firefox however you can to avoid a future where ads can no longer be blocked. It’s baffling how this video doesn’t mention this conflict of interest between engine developer (which should have the browser user’s best interest in mind) AND the Ad service Google.
ahh, but google isn't the engine builder remember, that engine what you call, is blink, which is webkit witch apple builds, google only builds the car around blink and then the rest of the garage and house that is, to stretch the analogy, of chromium/chrome. so really, apple and firefox are the real heroes
That is really interesting. Can anyone back this up ?
@@DaveFlash Blink started out as a fork of Webkit, but is now very independent of the original code. Blink, like Chromium and Chrome is under complete Google control.
A video like this is a vehicle to sell adds, its priority no 1, so it's not going to talk about adblockers
@@DaveFlash Not really. Blink has always been Google-controlled, but was originally based on Webkit. I'd say modern Webkit and modern Blink have diverged quite a bit since then. And if you're looking for heroes, Apple didn't invent Webkit. Webkit was originally based on KHTML, written by the KDE team. KDE is a linux desktop environment. KHTML was the rendering engine for KDE's Konqueror browser. It's a pretty amazing story.
*Squidward:* What's going on? Why is everything... Chrome?
*SpongeTron:* Everything is Chrome in the future!
(This also applies to textures in ray tracing games)
Ray tracing just makes everything wet, change my mind
Ah yes, that video
I now see visions of chrome pores reflecting chrome body hair, and you zoom out and everything's just a rainbow of reflection. can't actually make anything out.
SpongeBob saw the future!
Future! Future! Future! 🦑
@@perpetualcollapse
Not quite. It's just that reflective surfaces are the easiest way to show it off. It will help with more natural lighting from in-universe sources, multiple shadows of the same object from said sources and transparency.
I use Firefox for my entire life and no other Browser ever had an Feature that brought me even close to switching
I still prefer firefox, hopefully they will live on for many years to come. I'm quite interested to try the duckduckgo browser even though it's basically chromium too.
I will never get over how ridiculous of a name duckduckgo is.
@@xeridea yeah it's odd for sure but they make up for it by actually being good
I thought ddg wasn't using chromium
@UCFWNJjJRsre7J37yYjjQTuQ why?
I used to use it but it was low, i use edge now, chrome uses more resources
I like Firefox. It has more privacy features, and Google is heavily invested in tracking you. I realize the level of tracking on me is already massive, but being able to limit prying eyes even a little makes me happier.
Search engine?
Firefox has been and still is the best Browser I've used after 2 decades. Never gonna come back to the chrome spyware.
the blink engine is making the web incompatible for gecko and normal webkit based browsers
Dude, this.
That time about 15 years ago where so many websites only worked on IE and not others is slowly coming back. But without the sort of obvious web standards to send emails to the webmaster about.
I got pretty good at HTML and CSS just because I refused to use IE for a few sites I needed and would go and fix issues to make things render as per the standards. Often that meant just resetting margins and padding.
Unless you're on iOS, then everything is Safari
More like: If you're on iOS, then everything is Safari
Everything safari mobile or desktop
@Denis I heard that the rain is blessed down there
@@iCrazeDev hey, I use your tweaks!
@@iCrazeDev never expected to see you commenting here lol
never been more proud to use firefox
You made the right choice, man.
you might wanna double check that
@@averyj.steele1074 Why?
@@NeightrixPrime I don't.
@@__Brandon__ Sounds a lot like the company I work for. My management spouts woke crap constantly. We fly airplanes, many out of Atlanta.
Firefox all the way! It's sad that it doesn't get a much wider user base.
Firefox is the OG. I'll never use chrome or edge
Me: happy Firefox user
If I could afford Apple's hardware, I would happily use Safari, back in the days I used to be able to afford that stuff (cause it wasn't as expensive in my country), I used to absolutely love Safari
It's Chrome.
firefox is best
@@averyj.steele1074
Chrome is based on Safari (well their rendering engines)
you can buy any used or refurbished apple product for real cheap you know
@@turbografx.16
Kinda iffy to buy used Macs as Apple is switching to ARM for their operating system and software developers will be moving their MacOS focus on Apple Silicon development. M1 Mac mini is my recommendation for support, software, and price.
More accurate title “Everything is actually Chromium”
That doesn't get the clicks from the edgy kids that pimp Firefox as if it wasn't a worse alternative
how about safari
@@z0phi3l Edgy kids who pimp Firefox would understand what Chromium means. This title is aimed at the non enthusiasts.
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct
Firefox has become so much better since the Quantum project and the recent UI overhaul, no comparison to the time when Chrome/Chromium were new and took over.
Chromium was originally based on Webkit, which was originally based on the web browser in KDE, which was open source because Linux.
Honestly, it’s a huge success story of open source, because even though it’s dominated by Google, they can’t control it fully, and everyone can fork it if they disagree with Google’s direction.
Google has been a net positive in OSS for the Web in many ways. Its like how having basically inexhaustible budgets at Bell Labs gave us UNIX, basically starting off high level OSes and many other things despite that being most noticeable (and also the C programming language).
Did you just tell Google to get forked?
but even if you fork it, it will take so much resources to maintain it, like how if Mozilla goes bankrupt browsers like LibreWolf will be RIP
"A web browser should just stay out of the way" - tell that to Chrome. I avoid Chrome because I hate how it liked to hog resources when I'm barely using it, although lately Firefox is getting nearly as bad (possibly a Linux issue though).
@@fakeninja4447 how IMO Firefox is much better, i remember using chrome not just eat to much resources and take a time to open even for NVME. maybe firefox doesn't have google sync like chrome but it's faster and simpler i think
@@fakeninja4447 which ones?
I think it's the websites that are way too bloated now. Have you ever realize how your screen actually is smaller? 1/2 of it are for ads or just a huge "WE USE COOKIES" bar.
I've used Firefox for years until I switched to Chrome, which at a time was working better than FF.
Recently I've switched back to Firefox simply because it got better, and now it has better privacy features than Chrome.
Sure, FF lacks some built-in features which Chrome has from the box, but it's a minor issue compared to other FF benefits.
On top of that, I am a sucked for good-looking GUI and I have my own nice Dark Theme on FF which looks way better than w/e Chrome offers :D
Same for me but instead of lacking features i found that chrome lacked features. FF had some features before chrome and the FF account is so well made. On mobile extensions work too so i use adblocker on my phone too :D.
I just stuck it out on FF. But I do have both installed just in case.
Same
Out of curiosity, what features do you miss in Firefox that Chrome has (apart from Google services)?
Curious to know what built-in features FF was missing vs. Chrome?
I use Brave because I like the browser itself better. I use it in part because it's based on chromium because that allows me to use the google store to download chrome extensions.
Brave is awesome
you can use chrome extensions on all chromium browsers.
Seeing this sponsor made me think, i would love gaming chairs vs normal office chairs comparison in the main ltt channel
chairs are a lot like headphones. It doesn’t matter if it’s gaming or office. Good audio/chairs is simply just good audio/chair.
Gaming chairs are a waste of money. They ruined my back and I'm using a much cheaper office chair with SO MUCH BETTER support for my lower back and it's way more comfortable.
Im sure not all of them are, that's just my experience*
@@shalevhaham That's exactly what i heard from friends and a youtuber, that's why i would love to get the ltt opinion with real life tests, to see if these chairs are really worth it
GamersNexus already did a piece on gaming chair vs. proper good chairs. Spoiler: gaming chairs are trash.
gaming chairs are a scam. You pay over $300 for one you think is good quality and it ends up having probelms in less then a year. Then you spend the same amount on an actual known brand office chair and not only does it last much much longer but it's also way more comfortable. Hell honestly most things marketed as "Gaming" are scams. They just take cheap shit and bling it out making it look like it's higher quality then it is just so they can mark up the price.
I still remember when Google Chrome first hit the internet.
Very few sites accepted it. Many would only work on Firefox or Internet Explorer. It was a pain to wait for Explorer to load. But later on it was a great pain to keep Chrome up and running at the cost of RAM.
Now, Edge itself is based of Chromium.
chrome is a ram junky, I can't believe how much ram usage it goes in just for having few tabs opened alone.
I like how he never mentioned that Brave is also Chromium.
Also getting rich from your browser? B-)
I mean, he didn't really mention Brave at all, and the title claims "everything" is.
And they state that Firefox (and to a lesser extent Safari) are the only non-chromium browsers
@@krisjanis9 and losing adblock next year? :)
@@krisjanis9 enjoy your ads
I really wanted them to give a shout to KDE, the team behind webkit, thus the father of the majority browsers on earth.
Edit: Khtml not webkit
Wow, I had no idea WebKit started with KDE! I thought they were an Apple thing
@@RalphInRalphWorld WebKit is apple, but it used KHTML as a base
@@alfiegordon9013 Yeah thats what I meant sorry,
"Wait, it's all Chrome?"
_Always has been_
not always only after 2012 4 years after chrome was born
I knew somebody would comment this meme.
Even the most unexpected things like Steam, Epic Games and Minecraft launcher are based on Chrome. It's called Chrome Embedded Framework.
The fact that Brave Browser was just entirely dodged infuriates me so much
it's also chromium!
And yet, whilst using Edge, you're asked every week to use Chrome whilst accessing Gmail.
I KNOW WHAT I WANT TO USE. STOP. STOP ASKING ME.
That's why I have thunderbird.
@@CoasterMan13Official I still use Thunderbird, too. I wonder how many people still do? Can't be many.
I use Firefox.I don't get any nagging
Me watching this on Firfefox: Signature look of superiority.
Kids these days... Firefox since its beginnings too :)
I am the ultimate contrarian: I use Microsoft edge on Linux
You're a contra-contrarian. Going against the mainstream by using Linux, while also going against the Linux community by using a Microsoft browser that no one else seems to like.
They called you a mad man
And the search engine?
what's the search engine?
@@John_C_J ask jeeves on the wayback machine
I have also been a happy Firefox User for decades. i just hope Firefox can gain more market share vs chromium in todays market, we need the competition.
The first thing it comes to my mind when someone says ''imagine you don't want to use chrome'' is firefox not vivaldi or opera
Pretty happy with Firefox... have been using it since it first came out (tried Chrome for about 6 months, maybe ~8 years ago).
For a Mac i always advise Safari because:
Better for your battery life
It’s faster then chrome
Better for your privacy
Build in 2fa generator
Syncs better with your other apple devices
Supports Apple Pay on websites
Has a good reader mode
Most of these points also apply to Firefox on Apple. As for sync: I use my Mozilla account to sync across all my devices (not just Apple ones).
Waterfox is hands down the best browser. Firefox with the customization options that USED to exist in Firefox. AND it's not based on Chrome or Chromium.
well said
Pretty fast too.
Waterfox is spyware and makes 55 telemetry requests first time you run it, nice
Recently switched to Firefox, it’s been even better than I remembered
For a Mac user, if you don’t need Chrome’s extensions, you’re better off sticking to Safari. It’s both faster and more battery and resource efficient. It’s just not very feature packed
I really hope Mozilla pulls through, I've been a firefox user for over a decade, and it used to be pretty great, but since Edge went chromium things have been getting harder and harder on the venerable old fox. Aside from creaking old government websites that required IE6, firefox used to run everything for me with maximum compatibility, but now I find myself switching to chrome daily because some asshole company doesn't optimize it's webapp performance on firefox.
@Erika Nakagawa Gaming Let's start with... Microsoft Teams-it doesn't work on Firefox. Not that any sane adult would like to use that steaming pile of garbage but some of the companies I have to interact with on a daily basis just insist on it for whatever reason...
I kinda flip back and forth between Edge and Firefox. Edge, at this point, is pretty much a better version of Chrome that is more secure, doesn't eat up nearly as much RAM, and doesn't send my laptop temperatures through the roof. Also, it never crashes for me. Firefox is a nice break from Edge with a few more features I like, but Edge is compatible with a few things Firefox isn't. Honestly either is fine for me.
Why not keep both?
I use firefox mainly for the sync between my devices but vivaldi/ungoogled chromium(vivaldi on laptop, chromium on desktop) for sites that have issues with anything except chrome.
I mean you can always use edge I'm just an internet stranger haha
I've found edge to be slightly more processor intensive while Chrome uses more ram.
And here I am, using the superior Firefox since a lot of time
Been a Firefox user since I quit using Netscape. Only thing I wish FF had that chrome has and only reason I occasionally use it is being able cast to my chromecast that is built into my TV.
I'm using firefox. It's been my favourite browser forever. The only problem is that I'm experiencing micro stuttering when streaming videos from youtube or twitch. Disabling hardware acceleration helps but certainly makes the rest of my browser stutter. That's why I'm using Edge for youtube and twitch. I mean I can't even uninstall it on Windows 10 so I might as well just use it
XD
I had a similar issue - audio kept playing while the video stuttered. Might want to check your graphics driver? I have an old GTX 1060 and for whatever reason switching from the Game Ready to the Studio driver fixed it.
Report the bug to mozilla
I use Chrome occasionally, for specific purposes and testing, but Firefox has been my primary browser since it was still called Phoenix.
I think it was Firebird (to go with thunderbird) Now that I googled it, you are right. It went Phoenix > Firebird > Firefox
I do a similar thing. I use firefox as my main browser and then I use ungoogled chromium as a backup browser for the very rare web page that isn't well optimized for firefox but that hasn't happened in a while. Anthony wasn't entirely correct in saying that chromium doesn't connect to google services in such in the video, it still does, just less so than chrome and since it is open source it means that projects like ungoogled chromium and brave can strip it out.
i would not recommend even keeping chrome around as it is STILL scanning your drives even when its closed
I like the fact that browsers have become like Linux distributions: there are many different ones, they all do the same thing, and people fight over which one is better with hollow arguments.
yeah... i use arch btw
Firefox btw
I remember Chrome was absolutely awful in its early days
Wrong timeline my friend xD
2008 . It looked cool though. cooler than IE
@@sohotimhot7975 we watch linus tech tips, do you think we have sex
Back when it was a crashy RAM hog that didn’t work all that well on Linux or OS X?
@@swordcreeper7754 Are you on this version of Earth? He is completely correct in our reality.
EdgeHTML wasn't made completely from scratch thought. It was based on Internet Explorer's rendering engine (Trident) but they threw away all the legacy stuff
" they threw away all the legacy stuff " best decision ever at ms hq tbh :_)
Many ppl: "Chrome tabs eat too much RAM"
Me: "How is Chrome to blame for your lack of self-control and order that results in you opening 100+ tabs for absolutely no reason ?"
Firefox has the superior engine right now, also an architecture that is inherently more secure with version 95 and upcoming 96. Chrome is starting to run into the same problem that Firefox had before they released their new engines, it's getting too bloated. So it's time for the pendulum to swing back to Firefox.
I personally went from firefox to chrome and now to edge, edge seems to be the fastest in my opinion from the research i've done. And i have had nothing to complain about after months of use. I decided to try it after i did a PC reformat and i haven't had a need to install another browser once yet. The research I done months ago was showing firefox on bottom of the list in terms of both speed and compatibility with the latest web features. Oh and one last thing, edge is the only browser that can play netflix videos in HD, chrome and firefox can't, i believe it's 720p on those, but 1080p on edge or higher if you have the CPU to support is.
What superior? Firefox is slower than chrome.
I won’t switch to a browser that has publicly advocated for censoring the internet. I’ll stick with Brave.
I've using Firefox since v1.0 and I'll continue to use in the future, unless a better alternative emerges
When I scroll webpages in edge, the fans in my laptop start kicking up. Very unusual behaviour, but also the animations look smoother and nicer and less choppy compared to chrome.
I noticed the GPU usage increasing when there is animation inside edge and even when opening edge browser. Looks like gpu acceleration is being utilized frequently.
It is because the browser is using GPU acceleration to help render the pages.
“everything is chrome in the future” has gone from a silly pun about the excessive but lovable y2k aesthetics to an active threat fulfilled every waking moment of life on earth
THANK YOU SECRETLAB for bringing us more Anthony!
Firefox user since the day it came out. Never had any complaints and will never switch to a chromium based browser. You can't make me dammit.
Ok but y
@@timmyanimations8321 originally because it was far superior to anything else that was available at the time. And now because screw google and their monopoly.
Religiously used firefox for years here! I do not like Chrome dominance and I hope many more shift to it when they realise we need this innovation using their own engine!
I'm in the Firefox gang for more like 18 years. I tried Chrome quite a few times and I can't understand why it's so popular. I dislike pretty much everything about it.
for the same reason once IE and WMP were so popular as well: tieback!
"It's much easier instead to use Chromium as a base"
This is what killed Opera for me, back in 2013 when they dropped their own engine. Before EdgeHTML, it was Presto that was the first victim.
Agreed. I used Opera in the 2000s, but i switched to FF after they dropped their engine. Then i also switched away from Firefox to Safari, since they just can't stop f**king up the UI. Even Apple reverted its Safari UI changes after backslash, but Mozilla remains stubborn as hell with their "improvements".
Anthony, I love to hear you speak. You have an exceptionally smooth voice that is easy to listen to. Of course, I always learn a lot, but you have an exceptional voice. Keep up the good word/work! (I bet you can sing too!)
browsers for win98 and xp would be good to cover
I've been using Firefox since 2003 and I hope they keep going because I don't like Chrome.
I actually kinda miss the old edge, it worked really well on slower machines
I think it’s possible to downgrade
Old Edge is even harder to find than IE nowadays. You can still get Internet Explorer on new versions of Windows 10, but it's a Scooby Doo mystery on how to get old edge. Edge was always my favorite for old PC remote work, so I definitely agree though. The next lowest in resources has been Firefox in my experience
edge allowed my old 10 year old laptop to run 1080p video for some reason. it was very laggy, but smooth as in an UWP app, it felt without stutters, just laggy
@@NigelMelanisticSmith Just run an old Windows 10 build. And block updates.
Edge might have. Windows 10 however...
Microsoft spent many years breaking web standards and interoperability for no reason other than because they could. Coding a site to work in Internet Explorer + anything else was a frustrating exercise in frustration, often requiring IE-specific hacks. More than once, these IE hacks were also highly IE version specific. This was true for the HTML, the CSS, and the JavaScript. Some site operators (webmasters) would actively block “your (not IE) browser is not compatible. /end) all but their supported versions of IE, just to not have to deal with the complaints and support.
"Wait, everything is Google Chrome?"
"Always has been."
Me, laughing in firefox.
lol, wait are you being ironic
@@averyj.steele1074 even I don’t really know
@@boeyensmichael Firefox is Chrome/chromium based.
@@averyj.steele1074 wrong. Firefox is the only one with its own Engine. Anthony even says it in the video.
@@constantinhirsch7200 ok.
Still rocking Firefox as my primary browser. It just still is way way much more better than chromium based browser.. i have also opera/chrome/edge installed but rarely have any need for them, mostly for development.
Edit: I must admit there was a time in FF development where every release was a buggy pos but thank god that is not the case anymore.
Where my gecko bros at? #Firefox_gang
It's why I migrated to Firefox. We should support competition.
It's less about making a rendering engine being "too hard" and more about the fact that a significant percentage of web pages are coded in ways that work in Chrome because that was the preferred browser for devs who chose not to try and support every browser under the sun. Even if a browser is coded perfectly to follow the standardized specifications of HTML/CSS/JS, web pages that violate those standards that work in Chrome need to work in your browser too if you want to compete because, to the end user, it's your browser that's broken if it doesn't.
This.
I like this guy a lot.
Yea he seems like he really knows his shit if you've seen him in some other videos
Firefox since 2004 💪💞
the fact that the video is 4:04 minutes long like the error 404
Actually it's 4:03 ):
Could we get a Techquickie on Log4J and the vulnerability that has come out? I think we should know more about what is such a huge behind the scenes part of the internet.
Watch computerphile's video
Firefox is still the best in all ways 🥰
Even helping net neutrality
Had anyone else said "I believe it's going to happen" I wouldn't be so perturbed 😬